/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8778765
Rip methane clathrate reserves

So will al this methane speed of global warming?

>>8778839
drastically.

multiple times more effective as a green house gas. lasts a few years in the atmosphere. then breaks down into CO2. Which persists for at least a century.

it is far too late to try to fix anything by emitting less carbon. we need to start removing carbon from the air and oceans. while also increasing solar reflectivity of the earth's surface.

>>8778765

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis

Always at the back of my mind.

>>8778853
Stupid question: Would planting more trees help?

Otherwise I take it that we'll be experience a massive extinction event, huh?

So are we going to become Venus?

>>8778937
Yes it would help actually.
But it would take a while.
>TFW even after the world is fucked the deniers will pretend it wasn't man made

So natural methane is the cause of global warming?

>>8778962
No stupid.
>CO2 rises
>Increases temp
>Increased temp makes ice melt
>Ice trapped Methane
>Methane now released

>>8778965
So CO2 is a key and methane is behind the door? So methane is the cause of global warming??

>>8778967
>I'm retarded, the post
>or
>I get paid to post like a retard, the post
pick 1

>>8778967

>CO2 released by human actions has increased global temperature

>This man made rise in temperature is causing a large scale release of methane gasses which will further exhascerbate global warming

>which means global warming is natural right guys :^)

no retard, if I stab you and your heart pumps your blood out of your body that doesn't mean you died of natural causes.

>>8778971
You are too emotionally involved to join into the argument.

>>8778974
>the global temperature has increased
>this increase causes methane to be released
>I can't understand a reciprocal cycle

>>8778981
>I'm typing responses from a playbook the post
pick 1

You are recycling, what you are saying is literally copy pasted from a thread 2 weeks ago. Your supp is gonna fire you m8.

>>8778988
>playbook

You really think people are being payed to post on 4chan??? lol I'd love to make money posting on 4chan but unfortunately idk how to do that

>>8778765

rip in piece humanity

so why can't we just nuke Siberia enough times to semi-nuclear winter?

>>8778994
either on an airforce base or in a basement, there are people who are paid to post on 4chan.

>>8778937
Lol are you the same guy that asked me that on Reddit? I swear you sound just like it. I had to tell him that no, trees won't do shit.

Then he asked if planting "like, a lot of trees" would help and then againt the answer is NO!

>>8778967
It's like earth finished it's turn by putting a spell card flipped face down and in our turn we attacked with CO2 but only late we realized we activated it's trap card!

Methane eruption!

>there is SOOOOOO much frozen methane that it would cause runaway global warning
Well then why didn't that happen in the past?

check mate atheists

>>8779045
>less than 10sec of googling

Permian-Triassic extinction event[37] and the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum[38]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_climate_change#Clathrate_gun

>>8779045
It did, look up the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum

>>8779003

Nuclear winter would last a few years. Climate change due to greenhouse gas emissions will last for many thousands of years.

>>8779067
>>8779073
>"possible"
stop with your memes

go measure how much methane there is under the sea and then how much methane you need for runaway catastrophic event.

>>8778765

50 gigatons of methane beneath the Siberian arctic shelf. Atmosphere cannot support carbon burden. We're going to have to devise self-contained human ecosystems on the cheap en masse.

Speaking of which, I caught this: They are in the process of acting on this problem without causing alarm. Posted yesterday on /r/ world news.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/24/us-scientists-launch-worlds-biggest-solar-geoengineering-study

They're calling it a study. They're trying to prevent that methane from exploding out from beneath the weakened permafrost layer and killing us all in the process. It very well may already be too late, but I intend to get involved with this conversation and get people spreading viral digital information quickly.

>>8779079

Climate change lasts as long as humanity is there to change it. If ww3 happens due to arable land getting fucked then most of the planet is destroyed, humanity's population drops, and climate change drastically slows down. It remains to be seen if existing damage is reversible.

The sickest part is that throughout all of this Americans will never ever be compelled to give a shit since they're isolated by two massive seas (whose rise works to their advantage because they have a massive navy).

>>8779084

>We're going to have to devise self-contained human ecosystems on the cheap en masse.

The average American lifestyle doesn't include going outside.

>>8779087

No I'm sorry your timetable is off. WW3 would not happen before this happens. That methane could explode like a burst pipe and fill the atmosphere with unimaginable quantities of methane gas. Almost every living thing on earth would die. We need to start thinking about this as something that could happen tomorrow or in a few weeks/months and not... the area is warning us it's about to go.

>>8779022
kill yourself, faggot.

>>8779091

why are you posting on /sci/ and not turning it into a book? This sounds like an amazing sequel to The Core.

>>8779089

Well that's good, because outside isn't where we would want to go. We would be sputtering for air and choking. The humidity and heat and lack of oxygen would probably kill you if you were exposed to it for too long. It would be as though we were on a different planet. We would become a bubble civilization, encased in "air zones" that we would have to travel to and from.

And that's not even addressing the radiation. This is bad people. The sky will turn green. Prepare for Armageddon. The future won't be George Jetson retards... it's going to be you plus methane world. Welcome to extinction.

>>8779095

sounds more like 70s pulp scifi desu

>>8779022
>>8779084
>redditor shitstains making themselves feel at home
What the fuck is this?

>>8778954
We are terraforming Earth to be like Mars because we are all the descendants of martians. Why do you think we are so different than the mammals around us? :^)

>>8779097

>We would be sputtering for air and choking. The humidity and heat and lack of oxygen would probably kill you if you were exposed to it for too long.

okay?

>>8778974
WE WUZ MARTIANS

>>8779022
Nice dubs, also excuse the rudeposters!

>>8779095

This is your story man... This isn't a movie. These craters are just premonitory bursts letting us know the permafrost layer is softening and warming and large quantities of trapped methane is exploding through the surface. The reservoir in total withholds 50 gigatons of methane... if that was all released at once it would be miraculous if anything survived.

>>8779113
alarmist and wrong, 50 gigatons of methane would have almost no impact on breathable atmosphere, all it would do is result in drastically warmer climate.

>>8779042
The earth will survive. We will degrade into the material to sustain Earth's next candidate for super intelligent life. Hell for all we know it was the will of the planet itself that we be extinguished to usher in some new life, who will stumble on their quest for truth as we have, but these things we can only speculate upon.

>>8779111
:^D

>>8779105

It would be far worse than that... One has to understand that there are no contemporary examples on earth today that even begin to come close to approximating what it would feel like to be alive in a world resembling the end Permian. Earth will not be earth anymore; it will be a toxified barren wasteland far worse than any nuclear post-apocalypse would have imagined. The oceans will turn pink with anaerobic bacteria and become completely stale; they will burp enormous clouds of hydrogen sulfide which will almost certainly kill anything that breaths it. The skies will be green.

This is not a drill /sci/, this is the future of our world. You have to wake up now. What do we do about this methane? Can we afford to wait even a second longer if there is ANY WAY we can prevent this scenario from getting any worse than it already is?

Global warming is no longer about carbon, or about warming, or about "change", it's about THE END OF ALL THINGS.

>>8779082

>a meme in itself

4chan shitposter who can't even google

itt: warmist cucks pushing the same rubbish as always

>c02 shown not to be causing warming
>but muh muh methane

>>8779124

>it will be a toxified barren wasteland far worse than any nuclear post-apocalypse would have imagined.

and?

>>8779131
Where was it shown this anon?

>>8779131
https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php

#30 #33 #72 #73 #78 #86 #144

>>8779100
I've been in 4chin since 2007, so cut me some slack. Also sci there is much better than here. Everything here is just memes.

>>8779131

I just don't understand how you can possibly imagine excavating that much carbon and burning it WOULDN'T cause global climate change?

>>8779117
Of course it will, meanwhile we will experience a horrendous death by cancer, tsunamis or some shit like that. I'd rather not, thank you very much.

>>8778765
It's interesting, there have been a number of major methane leaks over the last hundred years or so, the methane concentration in the atmosphere hasn't changed that much.

Some scientists speculate there's a natural cycle that degrades atmospheric methane, since it's thermodynamically unstable with respect to water and CO2.

>>8779117
https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=48m40s

>>8779131
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

>>8779115

I'm wondering to myself where all the oxygen to breathe is going to COME FROM if we don't have any surviving plant life? Can our biosphere absorb the impact of that much methane?

>>8779133
RIP in peace.

>>8779155
Ok. Now all you have to do is reverse entropy. Easy as pie, right? Not to be rude, but I am sceptical of your dubs my man.

>>8778765
Serious question. If this is as bad as we all think is the only chance for survival buying a decent sized property and sustenance farming?

>>8779185
If the property comes with it's own terrarium-like ecosystem and is not affected by global climate and global warfare that might come with the lack of resources such as fertile ground, then yes.

Don't forget to get 2 of each specie. Just try not to breed another platypus-like animal.

>>8779185

hordes of insects and other pests unleashed by increasing temperatures will ravage your property after the government seizes it

>>8779185

It's not as bad as we all think; It's worse than we all could even begin to imagine. So let's start thinking about this hypothetically.

Hypothetically speaking, if the atmosphere and the temperature of your world SUDDENLY becomes incompatible with your survival, how do you cope with that? I'm asking YOU this anon, because you just suggested buying a "decent sized property and subsistence farming"?

YOU CAN'T BREATHE THE AIR. ALL THE PLANTS ARE DYING. You are now living on another planet; outside is now trying to kill you. So what do, anon?

ITT low IQ retards

The problem isn't that bad.

>>8779195
>ignorance=stupidity

>>8779194
But that's retarded. The Earth is not going to become literally inhospitable for human life, it's going to cause problems with arable land, potable water and severe weather, yes, but the atmosphere is not going to become unbreathable and plant life is not going to die off en masse (unless it lives in regions which become too hot and desertify, mostly near the equator).

Civilization as we know it will not survive in it's current state, but smaller communities will live on.

>>8779198
this thread is just fear mongering.

>>8779202
>Being willfully ignorant about the biggest threat to the species next to nuclear war

Edgy

>>8779201

I was reading that human beings have never been above 3 C mean global? How do we go from 3c to 10.. 15... 20? We have no precedent for that in our biology.

>>8779201
>plant life is not going to die off en masse

It will.

Ocean temperature has done nothing but rise.

Warmer oceans = less gass in water.

Type of gas in water = Oxigen

Ocean - Oxigen = Dead fish
Ocean + acidity = Dead fish

Ocean less capable of holding gass = No more CO2 sink

More CO2 in the environtment + Methane from Jurasic Park = Rise in Global Climate

From there on it just goes stright into oblivion. The changes might not come over night, but you'll feel when shit hits the fan.

>>8779201

The reason somebody posted a link to the Permian-Triassic Extinction event earlier in the thread is because it's the worst in the planet's entire history and it came about as a result of runaway global warming. Even conservative estimates supposed 90% of life on earth went extinct.

It's actually eerie and fated, the pattern mirrors itself almost identically. Then too, carbon emissions triggered methane hydrates to melt and compound the effect...

>>8779205
I kind agree with >>8779202 This thread is fear mongering. Global Warming is real and it will have slow acting affects, but this thread is fear mongering and the worse kind.

>>8779214
The temperature is not going to increase by 10 degress you moron. 6 degrees is the absolute upper limit. And yes, it will be devastating but it's not going to turn Earth into Venus. The problem stems from our civilization not being able to adapt to the change fast enough so we get famine, tens of millions of refugees fleeing Africa, water sources disappearing. Stuff like that. Still bad but if you can avoid getting shot for your food supply you'll still survive. It'll just be a far more brutal world for a while.

>>8779218
Also global warming drives more extreme weather, such as longer periods of intense drought and intense rain, which isn't good for plant growth, particularly agriculture.

Warmer climates mean that mold and bacteria that destroy crops have a better environment to grow in.

>>8779218

So what is your opinion on this then? What do you intend to do about it?

>>8779220
No species that has existed has had our adaptability. A solution will be found to allow people to survive, the only question is how many millions will die before we find it.

>>8779225
getting shekels from democrats it seems like

This thread is horrible

"it will happen" is a shit timescale too. There are also potential maneuvers to stop or slow down heating that we can do at will.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering)

What these people ALWAYS forget to mention is that there is not a single way of affecting climate that is a trap door. We can also do things that reverse or slow down climate change at will and our capability of doing so improves every year.

There is still no logical reason to basically kill all economies on earth as though that would be a good thing.

The negatives of believing in the fear mongers is that you react with far more self destructive changes. If you actually stopped using fossil fuels today, you would have an utter collapse of human society worldwide. This would be far, far worse of an outcome than the thing you are trying to prevent.

BEFORE you talk about climate change and how we have to do something drastic. CITE a single fucking source that shows how such an action which collapses society will actually help us deal with the problem better than having a functioning fucking society and economy to deal with it.


Please, show me some proof that you can go from no industrialization straight to clean energy.

The people doing scare mongering have

1. No solution that is reasonable or studied
2. No consideration for geoengineering or any adaption taking place

>>8779222

6 degrees sounds like a good conservative estimate, but what are we talking about here, just the C02 we've released already or the methane hydrate deposits waiting to be released as the warming trend continues, FURTHER accelerating the warming process?

And furthermore, SIX C? In HOW MANY YEARS? Oh good so we can still breathe the air outside but still we are talking about THE WORST humanitarian disaster in our history? We have serious problems on the way even if you're naturally optimistic. I had no idea things were this bad.

again """climate scientists""" fail to actually use science. They isolate something completely from all other variables and predict the future in 2100.

There is no scientist on earth that can predict what will happen in 2100. The prediction is not scientific. The prediction is a guess with very little pattern to back it up and predicated on only looking at a very narrow range of possibilities. It does not factor in an enormous range of potentials such as technological changes and future capabilities.

To then take this shitty prediction and make changes that basically fuck your society over economically is the dumbest most LOW IQ thing you can do. First, you lose competitive edge against other countries. Second, you have no idea if having the better economy would lead to a better solution via technological advances, third you are trying to predict something impossibly complex like the future based off one field of science and without consideration for basically 99.9% of things that effect the future.

It's bunk. Yes, fossil fuels do release more carbon that was sequestered. Knowing that does not give you enough scientific evidence to control all of society and decide on world policy. The completely ridiculousness of the climate change hysteria is incredible.

KEEP IN MIND

WW2 was fucking started because of similar hysteria in the idea of "living space" and that societies would all collapse because they wouldn't have food or living space. It's not talked about much but the world during WW2 had similar scientists talking about overpopulation and how there would be mass deaths. Japan government's main impetus for their empire was to secure land because of this hysterical "science" that was all over the world.

It is very obvious today that there was not a lack of "living space" for germans or japanese, but look what happened. Creating these hysterical scientific claims about the future leads to nothing but ruin.

>>8779225
I'm

>>8779218

As of me, I'm studying. There's not much to do right now. Politics is a bitch and the gov (from any country), will never act.

Someone in the thread said that what we neded to do was getting CO2 and other greenhouse gasses out of the ecosystem, which is logical. It will not remedy all the mess, but it could buy us some time.

Getting CO2 from air is not efficient, since the concentration is damn low ( ~400ppm). Farming is the greatest antropogenic producer of methane, but we won't get rid of that either (murricans: muh BBQ!).

I'm studying if it's feasable to remove CaCo2 from the ocean, or any way to get acidity back up. Some argue that fitoplankton will do the trick, but then we would have to deal with plankton itself, so really not a solution.

Anyway, every idea is welcome to try to clean this up. If we utterly fail, at least we tried.

>>8779255
What should the politicians do?

Should they have invested 500 billion dollars 5 years ago in buying lots of obsolete solar panels that require energy storage and a completely different grid strategy?

>>8779239

Attempting to reflect sunlight off of the arctic poles in order to slow down the rate of melting is already underway, hopefully that projects succeeds but that still does not address the methane in full. We need to be drilling it, fracking it, and processing it as natural gas. There is profit motive here to tap in to these methane reservoirs as well as survival interest.

I am a believer in humanity's power to address these problems, however, we need to stop discussing them in antiquated terms. People are way too far behind the times on this - there is no amount of trees that we can plant... I'll put it like this, if human society disappeared from the face of the earth ten years ago we might have a shot at survival in the world as we know it but the world of tomorrow is going to be so harsh that it's unknown in my opinion if survival is an option but if it is I'd like to talk about it REALISTICALLY, in other words, how do we actually deal with a 50 gigaton methane explosion? I'm not even talking about prevention anymore dude, I want to talk damage control and impact survival.

>>8779221
>slow acting affects

What is the definition of slow, by 2030 the evening news will be full of refugee news and water wars that are linked to CC.
The political consequences will touch our lives far before starving or drowning.

This crisis is heating up already, it'll be full blown in a decade:
https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=39m15s

>>8779239
>BEFORE you talk about climate change and how we have to do something drastic.

I have not read someone suggest killing cattle or massive suicide, but we must be aware of the changes and try to work it out.

>>8778838
>>8778915
clathrate gun was disproved recently

>>8779259
you're nuts

>>8779253
>WW2 was fucking started because of similar hysteria in the idea of "living space"

Wasn't that HItler, Jews, Japan playing Conquer and getting some nice friends?

>>8779265
people in shitholes will always want to immigrate somewhere nice

it's nothing new. You need border controls. Climate change is a BS excuse so far that is pure propaganda.

>Most of Earth's gas hydrates occur at low saturations and in sediments at such great depths below the seafloor or onshore permafrost that they will barely be affected by warming over even 103 yr.
>Even when CH4 is liberated from gas hydrates, oxidative and physical processes may greatly reduce the amount that reaches the atmosphere as CH4.

>>8779255

Rather than speculating on how to turn back the clock, i'd like to get the primary vein of conversation on how to build cheap, mass produce-able BIO-TENTS which can insulate us from radiation and provide us shelter with air and temperatures compatible to our parameters, and then simply live life traveling between these bio-tent life zones.

We need strong local, community driven food production and water recycling... LIVING ON. PASSING OUR GENES.

WE CAN SURVIVE.

>>8779271
There was a sort of retard science behind it. "Living space" is one term but there was a lot of retarded philosophy about people needing space to live and countries or societies behaving like plants that needed space or they die off.

Basically a big impetus for WW2 that is never talked about but was the driving force was this concept. Germans had well before hitler taken power already had this concept of needing to use ww2 to conquer more "space".

It was the same with the Japanese. The driving force behind the imperial japanese obsession with conquest was the same concept of needing space to expand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum#Origins

Both Germany and Japan became obsessed with the concept well before hitler took power.

The big problem with climate change hysteria is that they don't realize how badly politicians can take it. Wars to stop countries from industrializing or intentional sabotage of say africa from industrialized is being done because of this shit.

>>8779268
disproving "GUN" just means disproving that we will die in 10 years, it still means that the warming will continue to accelerate

>>8778765
>yamal
jamal
fck i knew it jamal
survival of the fittest
now breathe methane you cucks

>>8779276

Alright boys, here comes the data dump. Arctic Methane

**Arctic Methane Emergency: Methane released by the Gigaton!**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPdc75epOEw&t=1589s

**Our time is running out - The Arctic sea ice is going!**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xdOTyGQOso&t=1110s

**Methane Hydrates - Extended Interview Extracts With Natalia Shakhova**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx1Jxk6kjbQ&t=432s

>>8779258
Well, not living in denial is a start. Making environmental regulations a priority would be nice, but Donny's going the exact oposite way.

Founding research would be perfect, but that's getting out of the table for the US. Promoting better consumer practices is a must, and for people to demand eco friendly-packing for goods.

Aiming for a 100% paper-free government (for every country). I work for Mexico's equivalent of the IRS and god how much paper they use and waste.

People think that we need to get radical in order to take care of the environment, but that's just not the case. Just be aware of your carbon footprint and demand banning bad practices (like fracking).

>>8779284
>>8779277
retards

again if any climate change moron had some big picture knowledge they would realize it's a minor speed bump.

The abstract thing that is happening is still within the bounds of life existing on earth healthily. There really is no reason to be scared of this. Of all possible causes of human extinction, this one has about a 0.00000001% chance of being it.

>>8779277
Lol this aint Fallout or Bioshock (never played bioshock but seemed post apocaliptic).

>>8779286
why are you posting loons

especially ones that cry while doing science?

if someone cries during a scientific presentation you should expect some bias.

>>8779286
oh wow a bunch of fucking youtube links you sure proved me wrong

>>8779287
regulations killed nuclear and also stifle innovation

funding research is vague. Most government funded research is wasted. The way they allocate funding is usually to big names with very conservative pitches. Meaning they fund people with literally no chance of doing anything interesting. Almost all successful research is not through government (there is still some in gov but it's very inefficient).

I really don't predict, although I haven't sourced it, that paper products are a big contributer.

>>8779289
oooh the shitposter has spoken

>>8779275
>border controls
m-m-muh wall

again I would just like to show

almost all climate change fuckfaces always want the government to solve it

Top down government ran programs are shit. Stop being fuckfaces it is quite annoying. I see a massive correlation with communists and people who expect gov to fix climate change.

Governments are not going to solve climate change. Businesses will. Stop with government shit unless it is specifically about ending subsidies or creating fair markets or necessary infrastructure.

THe government is one of the most inefficient places to look for a solution from. Only in extraordinary situations is the government successful.

>>8779268
I've made my own methane gun. I'm just waiting for Trump to defund the Earth Observatory so that they can't out me. EU is the only other body considering a orbital monitoring, but that will be years away.

>>8779298

These are all of them the words of VERY CONCERNED PROFESSIONALS with legitimate credentials expressing their fear of what is currently taking place in the arctic.

Have I come to the wrong board? Is this /pol/ in disguise? This has NOTHING to do with world war fucking 2, and it has NOTHING to do with refugees although that will DEFINITELY be a part of it, it has to do with a REAL CRISIS you are involved in, whether you 'believe' in it or not.

>>8779299
The gov doesn't work, that's a fact. Regulating is not a bad action as long as it's done properly and by qualified people. Plus, the influence big corps. have on politics messes with a right government too.

However, even when we could adress their role in Climate Change, the discussion is not about politics.

>>8779299
>regulations killed nuclear and also stifle innovation
They're necessary in some cases. Cutting corners on Nuclear can make hundreds of square kilometers of land uninhabitable for decades. Strict regulation is important because making sure that a huge portion of your country doesn't become an irradiated wasteland is in everyone's interest and don't pretend for a second that companies building nuclear facilities wouldn't cut corners to save a few million here and there.

>>8779313
doesn't mean anything.

Anyone who still believes """science""" can't be bias or political is a retard. When you see a scientists break down in tears during their presentation you should be very skeptical. Especially for something as complex as climate.

>>8779308
>Businesses will.

Care to elaborate?

>>8779317

Is it wrong for a scientist to break down and become emotional when presenting information like this? Who are you referring to? I have watched all of these videos and do not recall ONE of them becoming hysterical, let alone ALL of them.

>>8779160
this fucking video, holy tits
>1:00:20
>solar radiation management

>>8779084
>https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/24/us-scientists-launch-worlds-biggest-solar-geoengineering-study
this is exactly what the guy was talking about

and he predicted the refugee crisis
and he predicted the US border wall
and he predicted a european union split (brexit)
holy fuck I've never seen a man so on the ball

>>8779325
>>solar radiation management
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radiation_management

hypothetical for the low IQ braintards who say the science is solved

What if increasing carbon output by 45% over the next 3 years created such an economic boon that over a 50 year period it would result in less total carbon output and to solutions in sequestration/management.

There is no scientific fucking way to predict the complexities of future technology or innovations. It is just as likely that stifling the economy with "environmental fixes to stop global warming" actually makes the carbon problem worse.

The problem is that you shitty low IQ morons think you fucking understand science at all or can predict the fucking future.

It's the same as the fucking nazis with living space and overpopulation fears. You can't fucking predict technological changes that will make your dumbass linear off 1 variable or 1 scientific theory predictions into complete shit.

>10 years from now fusion energy is mastered
>incredible ability to sequester carbon arbitrarily and change climate to whatever we want

The future is uncertain. Get that through your fucking low IQ brains. You can safely predict carbon concentrations increase as you fucking dig it up, great and genius work fuckface. That doesn't mean you can predict what response or economic choices are best for the fucking future. It's too complex to scientifically predict even with the amazing knowledge and data that digging shit up from underground increases it's concentration in the air.

CLimate change scientists are fucking morons because they have zero fucking science behind their claims and advocacy.

>>8779333

'K.

>>8779333
>What if increasing carbon output by 45% over the next 3 years created such an economic boon that over a 50 year period it would result in less total carbon output and to solutions in sequestration/management.
It would only take me 3 months to pump that much out. I'll let you know, then.

>THE SCIENCE
>stifle economy with regulation
>your green energy gets btfo
>trump takes controls and cuts all regulations

It's almost like you morons are shit brained, oh wait you are.

>but muhhh science at predicting simple climate models (which are usually wildly wrong) means my guesses at what the entire society should do are perfect

Climate change science should just be renamed to tarot card reading. that's all these fucktards do is pretend they can see the future and know the right course of action.

hint: climate change prediction is not correlated with any ability to know how to fix climate change.

>>8779333

I don't understand how I can present all of this material for you to research and you just continue to shout nonsense?

Sir, this has nothing to do with carbon. The carbon is done now. We're talking about methane. The methane is the killer. You don't need to know anything about science to understand the situation, you just need to pay attention to the people who do and be willing to open up your mind.

>>8779342

Tarot card reading? Are you comparing the work of street magicians to climate scientists? Do you even know what a greenhouse gas is or what it does?

how a low IQ brainlet's little neurons work

An astronomer knows how meteors can crash into earth and kill us all. Because of this prediction ability they immediately magically gained the ability to predict the future perfectly. Hence we have to listen to astronomers and do exactly what they say when it comes to all of society.


This is the same as saying climate scientists get to decide how energy systems for all of humanity should work and also get to predict that no innovations will take place.


Guess what? The future is more complex and the retarded assumption by climate scientists that they can predict the future based off narrow studies is moronic.

>>8779344
>>8779345
there is no killer

This is nothing new to life on earth. We are historically low temperatures and low carbon ppm. Even the ice melting which takes a fucking long time doesn't extinct us.

Compare it to the advancements in AI, solar, fusion, etc and you realize you are a fucking moron.

Climate change is not a real threat.

stagnation is the killer

assume we stay at current tech levels but somehow alleviate climate change, which isn't logical but try.

The nuclear weapons situation alone puts us on a crash course with extinction.

We have to progress. There is no future in stagnation or relapsing.

We are like a rocket taking off. You need escape velocity. The current status is doomed if we stagnate. We need multi planetary status which entails the ability to survive any global warming event. There is no logical solution that entails any "dealing with" of climate change except by making it arbitrary and easily scoffed at.

There is zero point in trying to solve it as a problem now.

It would be like pre-printing press trying to hand write a billion bibles. It is just something that is a future problem better handled by future technology.

>>8779362
>stagnation is the killer
isn't investing in green energy and doing research into technologies to solve global warming the exact opposite of stagnation?

wouldn't the ability to combat greenhouse gases in the atmosphere help us colonize planets that are currently inhospitable?

so by your own reasoning, we should put tons of effort into solving this issue, right?

>>8779351

"Even the ice melting which takes a fucking long time doesn't extinct us."

Would you care to elaborate on that a little for me? What ice? How long is a long time? How can something 'extinct us'? Sounds like getting hit with a bat. "Nature extincted us." Don't we GO extinct?

Your comments on carbon ppm and temperature are just flat out wrong and I can prove it.

https://globalclimate.ucr.edu/images/evidence_CO2.jpg

That's on carbon ppm now how about temperature?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/science/earth-highest-temperature-record.html?_r=0

>>8779347

I'm actually glad you brought up the bit about the astronomer and the asteroid. Let's say you had astronomers telling you an asteroid was heading on a direct collision course with earth, how would you respond to that?

All that's happening right now is smarter and more knowledgeable people than you are telling you that your life is in danger and they can prove it, but you don't understand it so you say it doesn't exist?

>>8779333
The game is pretty much over around
450ppm / 2C
because the heating won't need our input after that.

https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=17m45s

>/pol/ shills are on /sci/ too

Just delete this whole fucking website, I'm so tired of this shit.

>>8779394
>/pol/ shills
"/pol/ shills" are normal people tired of you leftists skewed representations of reality.

If this were true. If we were all horribly fucked like you claim, then we would never have gotten to this point. It wouldn't be politicians having scam conferences about funneling money around their buddys NGOs for profits, or people presenting charts as part of a political campaign. The people who actually knew would have already been blowing up buildings, trying to assassinate people, whatever it took to prevent us from getting to where we currently are.

That doesnt happen because nobody with any real capability 'knows' this to be true, because they know its false. The only people who 'know' its true are gullible proles who are too meek to actually try any of those things, too convinced the government will handle problems.

The people with any capacity to fix this if it were a problem dont think its a problem, only you think its a problem.

>>8779415
let's totally trust the leaders, even if it lines their pockets

t. north korean

>>8779415

What we are discussing is arctic methane bubbles appearing on the surface of the earth in areas they haven't appeared before. This is BEYOND political agenda; this is in the realm of NATURAL PHENOMENA which have nothing whatsoever to do with human abstraction.

All the planet knows it's getting hot so the methane hydrate (ordinarily sealed) is escaping into the atmosphere in disastrous quantities that could spell the end of life on this planet and WE ARE THE DIRECT CAUSE.

>>8779415
>>8779423

WHAT MUST I DO, SHAKE YOU? What is this WILLFUL ignorance? Stop staining ALL SCIENCE with your narrow-minded ideology. This is not some liberal plot, nor is it the plot of the jews or any other, it is cause and effect. Action and reaction. It is elemental. It is primal. IT DOES NOT SHARE YOUR PATHETIC AGENDA.

>>8779439
You could just run an experiment where you vent natural gas into the upper atmosphere, and then measure the changes in temperature a few years later. This would be good proof.

Siberia is just the worst. Name one good thing that cunt has done.

>>8779448

I have not yet resigned myself to that level of cynicism nor will I. Everyone understands self-preservation. This is IMMEDIATE and demands our attention. It should dominate discussion at the very least.

>>8779432
>What we are discussing is arctic methane bubbles appearing on the surface of the earth in areas they haven't appeared before.

This is what has been predicted to happen for some time now. Its not surprising, is it?

>This is BEYOND political agenda
That all depends. Unless you are privy to the behind the scenes we are all in the dark on that.

>ordinarily sealed
For someone who claims to be objective you sure do forget the concept of geological time pretty quick.

>disastrous quantities
There is the possible point of contention.
We expected this to happen, if it were expected in disastrous quantities, my original point still stands. The only possible way it wouldnt is if somehow it turned out there is way more methane in existance than we previously thought, which then might, possibly, be cause to alarm that would not have been there for the people who both know what is going on and are in positions of power.

>the end of life on this planet
The entire world has been ice free before and thriving.

>we are the cause
You are in a doomsday cult, please acquire a less grating religion.

>>8779439
If its not a political then why do all these large political activities focused around it only result in the political class getting richer and nothing actually being done about any of it?

>>8779448
literally pirates m80. Of course co2 release will have some effect, everything has some effect on everything else. The long duration plots show it correlates with sun activity and is entirely expected.

>>8779453

LOL!

>>8779229
And how few will be the ones who end up surviving.

>>8779464

"For someone who claims to be objective... geological time."

I have made no such claims.

Also, no not geological time actually a matter of years. The polar ice is melting at an EXPONENTIAL rate so the linear trend line is sharply spiking. The ice cubs in our drink is melting... WHEN THAT ICE IS GONE, it's only a matter of time before the methane comes up and IF THE METHANE COMES UP

It's game over.

Big time.

"The entire world has been ice free before and thriving."

Yeah but humans were never around then. How old are like as a species like what... 250,000 modern homo sapiens? Anybody got me on this? A million if you count genetic offshoots that don't even look human.

My man, if the earth heats up to the point we're talking about WITHIN THE NEXT DECADE it's like going from zero to a thousand miles an hour in a couple of seconds there's no way the planet's current life forms can adapt that quickly. The game is basically over as we speak but I don't think is the end. I think this is the beginning.

>>8779459
You don't have to. I've already secured funding for it and have leased the land. I'm just waiting to find out who else I have pay to expedite the paperwork for the connection.
>>8779464
>The long duration plots show it correlates with sun activity and is entirely expected.
We'll see.

>>8779481
>Also, no not geological time actually a matter of years.
You misunderstand. That polar ice has not been there very long. You act like it was some seemingly immutable constant that is only now, in a very irregular and unheard of way, changing. In reality it comes and goes all the time, in geological time.

The rate at which that happens isn't well known, its been postulated in the past that it can happen very, very quickly, explaining the frozen mammoths.

>game over
see original point

>Yeah but humans were never around then. How old are like as a species like what... 250,000 modern homo sapiens? Anybody got me on this? A million if you count genetic offshoots that don't even look human.

We are just an updated model of the life that was around then, one even better handled to deal with such changes. "The world will be different from the world we are used to", sure, but we have experienced other kinds of drastic changes before. Look at how diverse our environments are even today. The altitude differences, the temperature differences.

Parts of the world will become less comfortable, parts will become more comfortable.

I guess the thing is i dont see it as something that needs 'fixing'. This was always going to happen and i reject that we caused it, at most we sped it up a little bit. The advances we have gained for that effect may well have been worth the tradeoff. So altogether i view whatever happens as just the natural cycle of things.

I do know no politician ever did anything but line their own pockets using this as a talking point and that gives me moderate confidence that things wont actually be as bad and drastic as some alarmists predict.

Of course they could all just be building bunkers somewhere content to depopulate the world of most of us, but at least in that case i get the satisfaction of the conspiracies being true :^)

>>8779495

>Parts of the world will become less comfortable, parts will become more comfortable.

So straight away I'm certain that you don't have any realistic grasp of what it would mean to pump 50 gigatons of methane into the atmosphere all at once.

It would mean the planet would become inhospitably warm for life not long after. It would mean the oceans would warm, currents would stop, weather would become 'extreme' (biblical). fires would rage out of control globally, famine, war, disease...

>>8779508
Oh dear, it looks like you are one of those doomsday cultists after all

>>8779485

Something which I would like to focus on is disseminating emergency preparedness for climate change initiatives. We need to focus on saving ourselves as a community, not as individuals, or we are all surely lost.

I think we should avoid speaking of this with any kind of rhetoric which isn't direct and straight to the point. I believe it's possible to create SHELTERED COMMUNITIES which can endure the climate shock, and furthermore, I believe this will be our dry run for colonizing other worlds like Mars. If we can do it on our own dying world, we can do it on Mars.

>>8779522
>we
No, thanks.

>>8779528

Well, perhaps not you in particular, but any discussion on arctic methane in general would be welcome. I heard that a nameless oil company proposed modifying fracking equipment as a way to drain the methane before it escapes into the atmosphere?

>>8778765
nuke mars with all our excess of co2
2 birds 1 stone

>>8779536
Tell me more of your thoughts on this.
>>8779538
Kek

>>8779453
pretty sure Canada will do its share

>>8779542

Let this guy tell you his thoughts instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6wTgso7yzw

>>8779538
The Martian atmosphere consists of approximately 96% carbon dioxide

>>8779548
It's too thin though, bombard it with more, activate the chain reaction and cook that bitch right up.

>>8779548

As I say, filtering the carbon out of the air and oxygenating it; can this be done? Surely it can.

>>8779102
maybe it's a part of the NASA space program - they calculated that changing earth into mars is cheaper than sending a rocket there

>climate change skyfall is now shifting to methane neurotoxin death gas we're all gonna die

>>8779556

Methane is not a neurotoxin; it's a fossil fuel. It's Natural Gas we use it to power wind or hydro-electric turbines in order to generate electricity.

It's also 27x more potent a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

That methane cannot escape into the atmosphere.

>>8779561

Ever smelled gas when refueling your car? Do you know how toxic those fumes are?
WE ARE FUCKED

>>8779548
>>8779552
brainlets

>>8779561
also, as a bonus, when it finally breaks down, it breaks down to two other greenhouse gases, water and carbon dioxide.

CH4 + 2 O2 --> CO2 + 2 H2O

>>8779131

>c02 shown not to be causing warming
>c02
>0

Die in a fire, you fucking oxygen thief.

>>8779628
0xygen*

>>8779636
fuck off you cheeky cunt

What could I do in my ordinary life to help prevent this?

>>8778839

No climate change is man made. Pay your carbon tax, goy.

>>8779022

Fuck off. You are not welcome, here.

>>8778937
this is already a mass extinction event

So in the event of "catastrophic" warming how will I be affected as an American who makes pretty good money?
Isn't it the africans who should be worried?

>>8779124
Heh, just yesterday I was reading this exact bit from a book about mass extinction events.

World politicians under the pressure of eco-friendly organization and Science have decided to save humanity. Decision has been made to cause nuclear winter.

Where do we blow the nukes to maximize dust particles ejected into the atmosphere and save our planet from global warming?

Cities?

Forests?

>>8779678
Not a damn thing. At this point humanity would have to shut down the vast majority of production and traffic, which just isn't viable.

>>8779711
Just set off yellow stone.

>>8779733

Won't that release dangerous gases too?

>>8779716
or switch to nuclear power but we can't do that because moneyed interests don't want it, and they've convinced environmentalists and the general public that it's evil because it's the only viable alternative to fossil fuels

>>8779740
no matter what we do nuclear winter will release lots of dangerous gases. The mass extinction of plant life and ensuing decay will release tons of greenhouse gases

Vaults when?

>>8778765
Im so happy anon finally mother earth will be free of this walking ape plague at last.

>>8779753

Blow up an asteroid in earth-sun l1 then? A dust cloud should reduce solar light a bit and that would certainly trigger global ice age. No nuclear fallout as a bonus and the effect will be much longer.

>>8778765
more climate lies and bullshit

>>8778765
All humanity has to do is invest 0,5-1% of the global GDP into combatting climate change annualy and we would be all safe. If humanity can't even overcome that simple filter then we truly don't deserve to exist.

>>8779757
elites and their breeding pizza only

>>8779766
your few cents of oil shill money won't help you when we're all dead, you know.

>>8778853
oh look, more retarded phoneposters going on about "climate change" and how it's going to drown the stinky brown people. While I'd like for every tropical country to end up ten feet underwater, unfortunately, global warming is a meme that doesn't actually exist. Now take another puff of your weed and go back to watching Anderson Cooper.

>>8779774
Not "going to". climate change is already happening, even James Mattis knows that. Are you really dumber than James Mattis?

>>8779772
Ultimately it comes down to a risk vs reward situation. If the deniers are right, nothing really happens, other fuel sources work just as well and it's not like we won't have to eventually do it anyway due to the limited supply of prehistoric corpses. America and other oil states get knocked down a peg on the world's totem pole, about time tbqh

Though if they're wrong we all die. And it will be a slow, agonizing death of desperate people making this very argument on a daily basis throughout humanity's last centuries.

>>8779268
citation?

oh yeah like all those other times temperature far exceeded the current temperature and the methane killed the entire planet.

>>8779768
>this doesnt sound like a shill post

never change /sci/. and keep jewing taxpayers out of cash for your baking soda volcanos.

>>8779780

mattis is military guy and even works for trump, so it's very unlikely to find a person dumber than him even on cesspits like 4chan.

So what's the real outlook on the methane hydrate fart apocalypse, are there any actual climate scientists ITT?

>>8778937
yes but keep in mind the earth has a breath cycle
in summer for northern hemisphere the co2 drops down to very safe levels, but when it's winter up here the southern hemisphere has so little plants cuz australia is a shithole that co2 goes up
basically every year the earth takes a deep breath

>>8779124
Begin setting up extraction plants.
We can burn that methane or liquefy it. Store it in a few tanks for future use.

>>8779286
Aaaand you lost me. I would have expected actual jpeer reviewed journal articles but i guess this confirms that you're an /x/ conspiracy theorist who watches YouTube videos

>>8779835
IT IS LITERALLY MELTING ON FUCKING SATELLITE CAMS

>>8779827
i would like to ask the same

seems dangerous if true, so is it

>>8779834
>few tanks for future use

He who can control the spirits of Gaia.
The one who holds dominion.

Poetic AND useful.

>>8779022
go back to that shitstain place pls
or post your address here and I will assist you

>>8779835
>actual jpeer reviewed journal articles
I'm not the person you're responding to, but here you go:

Here you go:

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/289/5477/270
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/2/11/e1501923.full
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/302/5651/1719
science.sciencemag.org/content/354/6313/aaf7671
science.sciencemag.org/content/354/6311/465
science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6293/1517
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n2/full/nclimate2876.html
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v536/n7617/full/nature19082.html
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n3/full/nclimate1784.html
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n10/full/nclimate1963.html
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n11/full/nclimate2397.html
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n11/full/nclimate3110.html
http://www.pnas.org/content/106/38/16120.abstract?sid=e88a32fa-d470-486d-92ea-97bf18db30c9
http://www.pnas.org/content/97/4/1406.abstract?sid=39886508-9022-4ac9-a270-9bb8f2c84dac
http://www.pnas.org/content/106/Supplement_2/19729.abstract?sid=39886508-9022-4ac9-a270-9bb8f2c84dac
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/14/5743.abstract?sid=39886508-9022-4ac9-a270-9bb8f2c84dac

>>8778765
BRRRRRRAAAAAAAAFFTTTP

>>8779844
Motherfuckers...
They knew...
They knew and held it back all this time....
Now its fucking melting on satellite cams...
>FML
>You will get to see giant tsunamis and shit
>Unbalanced weather patterns
>Recycling and shit did nothing
>It was all a lie
>Panic mode engaged
>You will see Florida and New York underwater in less than a few couple of years....

So this is how it all ends...

>>8779844
Well /sci/
It was a good run. Knowing we won't last much longer, all our science and maths and shit was for nothing....We couldn't even dominate the earth let alone the stars. I just want to say. OP. You glorious winged faggot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJh6EQ5gv7g

>Captch: Ocean Boulevard

>MFW

>>8779835
Goodbye~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQmL_3dU8iM

>>8779858
>held it back all this time
How retarded are you?

>>8779844
Someone tl;dr this shit without resorting to "basically we all die xd"

>>8779881
>>You will get to see giant tsunamis and shit
>>Unbalanced weather patterns
>>Recycling and shit did nothing
>>It was all a lie
>>Panic mode engaged
>>You will see Florida and New York underwater in less tha

Tl;Dr

The earth is farting us to death.

Global warming was caused by the globe.

>>8779844
Literally none of these have to do with the shit in the OP.

This is pretty fucking typical /x/ and /pol/ level argumentation, post a bunch of links from legitimate looking sources and say it proves your point, hope the other guy says "fuck it, I ain't got time for this" and stops posting.

Move along everyone, nothing to see here. OP is confirmed as a faggot once again.

>>8779881
>there are many factors that contribute to climate change
>the net effect of human action is warming
>with the primary human-induced cause being the emission of greenhouse gasses through the burning of fossil fuels
>this causes positive-feedback cycles to kick in and accelerate warming
>climate models are accurate on the whole, but to some extent underestimated warming due to positive feedback
>the question is not 'how do we stop warming' because we can't anymore
>the relevant questions now are 'how do we slow it down as much as possible' and 'how much is it going to cost to deal with the consequences of warming'

>>8779683

Yes, scientist lobby is out to get you. Leave the poor oil, coal, industrial underdogs alone.

>>8779892
>Literally none of these have to do with the shit in the OP.
It's a good backing up of the empirical basis of anthropogenic climate change, and addresses positive feedback such as the example mentioned directly in the OP. I'm not even making an argument besides providing peer-reviewed papers to support the positive feedback hypothesis.
>legitimate looking sources
These are literally the top 3 general science journals in the world. Stop being a fucking casual.

Brainlet who comes to /sci/ for when cool stuff happens.

Why are climate threads such hot topics for shitposting, climate denial, fear mongering, /pol/, and other stuff? Should they just be banned?

>>8779904
>He is desperately trying to stave off panic.
>You are singlehandedly wrecking proposed theory that is making the green energy sector millions
>The memes are fucking dreams

>>8779253
>Japan government's main impetus for their empire was to secure land because of this hysterical "science" that was all over the world.
You mean (((science))). The Jews won out real well with that plan, ffs.

>>8779909
Literally none of what you just said makes any sense.

Best I can do is give you a 1/10 for trying.

>>8779914
One of those makes sense.
You don't give a fuck about people.

>>8779919
Nope, still doesn't connect. Feel free to elaborate.

>>8779906
>Why are climate threads such hot topics for shitposting, climate denial, fear mongering, /pol/, and other stuff? Should they just be banned?
because /pol/ is always here trying to redpill us on race/IQ, climate change being a Jewish/Chinese plot, etc.

Please explain to a brainlet:
Are we fucked?

>>8779932
not yet

>>8779932
I somehow feel the runaway effect won't be as bad as we think.
The process will have annoying consequences, but it won't be too bad.
I mean the climate changes have been going on for decades and things have changed, but not very much.
It's just a guess, my prediction. But I am not very well versed.

How bad could it be?

>>8779923
>us
Climate cult retards are a minority on this board brainlet. /sci/ makes fun of you on a daily basis so is every other board including /pol/

>>8779932
It all comes down to what one nation that hasn't even existed for half a millennium decides to do.

>>8779958
/pol/ pls go

>>8779960
spams belong to >>>/trash/
leave my board cultist retard

>>8779965
refer to >>8779844
Please come back when you actually want to talk about science.

>>8779971
My point you failed to respond to was your inexistant proof that all other factors contributing climate change didn't really exist. cutting CO2 emissions doesn't change global warming and nothing will change if we stop.
Just pointing out the globe is heating doesn't prove your AGW argument. And nothing in those links do either brainlet.

>>8779982
Christ, ignoring all the actual articles that disprove what you just said, even the fucking image alone counters that argument. Take away all anthropocentric factors that influence radiate forcing, and the forcing will balance to zero over medium to long intervals. You can't even read a fucking graph, why am I arguing with you.

>>8779982
doog job, climate change is neither A nor real, it's other factors and those are (((sources)))
now let's fix white genocide, the real problem
deport (or kill) all the hispanics, (if they refuse)

>>8779988
Nice evidence cultist. got more ad-hominems? Why are you even on a science board?

>>8779993
I'm not white but it's fun to see you make an ass out of yourself by whining about another board. I don't care what happens to white people.

>>8779997
>I'm not white
post proof

>>8779997
>Nice evidence
Source is in the image. And you dodged the argument.
>ad-hominems
You are mistaking an insult for an ad hominem. This is an ad hominem: "You are wrong because you are retarded". This is an insult: "You are retarded".

>>8780005
>Source is in the image.
>not even referring to other climate change factors
back to >>>/x/

>>8780009
Are you blind? It literally sums up all sources of climate forcing, including those that are anthropogenic and those that aren't.

Why is there methane in huge amounts under artctic ice?
Do methanogen bacteria live in arctic conditions?

>>8780014
>blind
no
he has an agenda

>>8780024
That much is obvious. But he's forgetting that we're having a debate, not a discussion. I'm not going to convince him, that's not the point. But by presenting the evidence regardless, and exposing the obvious flaws in his posts, other people reading this will be informed.

>>8780024
>white supremacist agenda is to create global warming
can't tell if this is a SJWtard or a nutjob from /x/ at this point

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/355/6331/1269
To stay below 2 degrees warming, we must
>cut industrial CO2 emissions in half during the 20s, then again in the 30s, and so on
>net emissions from land use must reach zero by 2050
>most cities have to be fossil-fuel free within 13 years
>stop selling combustion engine cars by 2030, by which point they should be almost unheard of anyway
>after all that, we STILL need to rip 5 megatons of CO2 out of the atmosphere every fucking year--double that of every tree on Earth and all of the soil at this moment
Note that every year this doesn't happen the policy would need to get much harsher to make up for lost time.

so humanity will all their technology has to surrender to methane?

we made this far just to end like this?

>>8780040
We won't go extinct. But it's going to be very very expensive to deal with the consequences in the long run. The people who are going to bare the greatest costs are those who have little to begin with.

>>8780037
it is to deny it apparently

>>8780046
Must be a conspiracy!

>>8780051
here's a housefire for you to die in

>>8780063
I don't see how that wou

>>8780063
Are all you cultists so violent and juvenile? No wonder why /sci/ hates you.

>>8780063
the house fire it's not real you leftist
science is just liberals, just look at genetics, why haven't they endorsed a ban of interracial breeding

>>8780069
don't worry /pol/tard, that burn is still covered under obamacare

>>8780071
>It says here that humans are less efficient than machines, so logically we need to kill all humans

>>8780040
What I think will actually happen is:
>the global South will be sacrificed and allowed to starve, maybe resettled in Siberia if they are lucky
>the rural Western population will be forced into third-world tier lifestyles in order to reach carbon emission goals. You are already seeing this now with rural America disintegrating.

>>8780051
Libtards hate science and love to bullshit. They will do anything to turn shit into politics.

>>8780080
What I think will actually happen is:
>It's no longer freezing

>>8780078
You're not funny nutjob libtard. back to >>>/x/

>>8780086
Rebcunts hate science and love to bullshit. They will do anything to turn shit into politics.

>>8780079
who said anything about killing, we'll just be 100% homogenous, nobody will be killed

nice try leftist, but the asian race deserves to be known as superior

>>8780091
I must have struck a nerve there. Don't worry, butthurt is also still covered.

>>8780038
Im retarded, could you explain that last bit about how rural america is currently disintegrating?

>>8780094
sshhh. try to be funny next time. Now you're just making an ass out of yourself. Not that it's anything new.

>>8778937
>>8779022
Yes, trees would help, but then you have trillions of logs you can't allow to decompose.

We had a few threads about this already. The answer was to have a global-wide planting of trees numbering in the trillions. You use GMO eucalyptus trees with a 5.5 to 7 year growth cycle. The trees get chopped down then submerged and stored in the mariana trench.

>>8779084
Plant growth is going to go apeshit though.

>>8780095
Meant for
>>8780080

>>8780093
Disproportionate retribution, you dolt

>>8778765
This is a science board. End of the world roleplaying threads belong to >>>/x/

>>8780098
can't ignore the science buddy, no matter how hard you try

>>8780080
>the rural Western population will be forced into third-world tier lifestyles

You've never been to BFE in the USA before have you? It is already 3rd world conditions.

>>8780106
>254 posts and he posts that

>>8780001
>>8779997
What made you think you can't be caught lying

>>8780095
Rural America is massively depopulating. There are no job opportunities in rural America, so everyone who has the ability gets the fuck out as soon as possible. This is due to a combination of outsourcing and automation.

The population of many rural American towns only remains stable due to immigration. The people who don't get out tend to spend their time doing heroin.

>>8780112
>You've never been to BFE in the USA before have you? It is already 3rd world conditions.
I don't know what the BFE is, but assuming it is synonymous with rural America, then yes, especially in the South, much of the rural population does indeed live in third world conditions. I remember reading that some areas were probably worse than Bangladesh.

>>8780115
>non-evidence is evidence
oh look. same logic you used trying to defend global warming. doesn't really work does it?

>>8780123
and thus the circle is complete

I'm off, enjoy your shitshow

>>8780111
Science is based on evidence, not politics and namecalling. Ofcourse I wouldn't expect a cultist to know that.

>>8780125
No, you must keep him occupied so the rest of us don't have to.

>>8780125
goodbye nutjob /x/tard. Don't visit /sci/ again.

>>8780126
>evidence
For the record, here you go:

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/289/5477/270
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/2/11/e1501923.full
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/302/5651/1719
science.sciencemag.org/content/354/6313/aaf7671
science.sciencemag.org/content/354/6311/465
science.sciencemag.org/content/352/6293/1517
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n2/full/nclimate2876.html
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v536/n7617/full/nature19082.html
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n3/full/nclimate1784.html
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n10/full/nclimate1963.html
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n11/full/nclimate2397.html
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n11/full/nclimate3110.html
http://www.pnas.org/content/106/38/16120.abstract?sid=e88a32fa-d470-486d-92ea-97bf18db30c9
http://www.pnas.org/content/97/4/1406.abstract?sid=39886508-9022-4ac9-a270-9bb8f2c84dac
http://www.pnas.org/content/106/Supplement_2/19729.abstract?sid=39886508-9022-4ac9-a270-9bb8f2c84dac
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/14/5743.abstract?sid=39886508-9022-4ac9-a270-9bb8f2c84dac

>>8780121
Ah, I understand now. Thank you, anon.

I love how even when shits going down you have the deniers.
>Holy shit our country is getting nuked!
>I don't believe in nukes, proves to me that nukes are bad!

>>8780141
When you repeat the same lie for over 20 years and nothing changes, people stop listening.

>>8780141
>I don't believe in nukes, proves to me that nukes are bad!
This is an actually-existing conspiracy theory, kek

>>8780147
Nukes are great. Stopped large-scale wars.

>>8780147
Relevant

>>8780141
You would have a point if global warming meme had any outside manifestations like huge radioactive mushroom clouds or less snow or like anything at all that people could actually witness :(

Can we not just set it on fire?

>>8780156
Hasten our demise by turning it into a gas?

Can we keep it frozen somehow?

>>8780167

If you burn methane its destroyed and turned into something else. We could also get a lot of energy from it. Or maybe we could start siphoning it and burying it underground.

>>8778937
>we'll be experience a massive extinction event, huh?

So many organisms have already gone extinct because of humans. You're in one.

>>8780172
>something else
like what do you think that thing is

>>8780174
Yeah but we preserved and created a lot too. Not to mention letting several reach their full potential under our watchful care.

>>8780175

Google said it was water and CO2.

>>8780179
>Yeah but we preserved and created a lot too.

"no"

>>8780186
"Yes"

>>8780183
weird

>>8780179
I dont really think it amounts to a net positive anon

>>8778765

Hooray. Tired of this life.

if humans are so great and smart and invented technology why can't they figure out not to destroy their own environment and turn it into a shit hole

>>8780205
Because leftist scum think all manner of civilization is "destroying nature"

You want nature? Go to africa, run around naked and die from malaria.

>>8780224
but our manner of civilization is destroying nature

it has been proven to be stupid and unsustainable

What are the odds that an extinction level event for humanity would occur precisely within your lifetime?

That's why I believe this all fake and I'm merely embedded in a simulation that's supposed to document the apex of human civilization and subsequent lead up its extinction.

>>8780234
Quite high, sadly. We need a replacement to antibiotics fast.

>>8780174
Gaias ultimate spell.
All those who have forgotten the ancient ways.
Behold. The mother earth when she decides to war.

>>8780242

>>8779133
Pittsburgh is one of the cleanest cities i've ever been to ironically. My grandparents move away though because it looked like this picture in the 40's apparently

>>8778765
Oh, come on, this isn't even a good apocalyptic scenario, everyone just suffocates.

>>8780251
>>8780242
MUH GAAAAIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAA

This is as bad as the horseshit the stormfags spew. Your ball of rock is not alive. No ball of rock in the universe is alive. Fucking deal with it holistic kooks substituting the earth for your chosen deity.

>>8780343
it's not as bad, but it's as wrong
>your ball of rock
kek

>>8780343
Very unscientific of you.

>>8780350
Religions belong on >>>/x/. Lovelock is a scam artist. Go back to playing SimEarth over and over again.

But climate change is not real.
/sci/ should know that.

>>8780349

it's actually a ball of magma, mostly

>>8779258
>Almost all successful research is not through government
Bullshit.

>>8778765
FUCKING FINALLY

Elements on this board and internationally need to move fast... we need to get beyond the denial stage. There's going to be a lot of confusion and denial and that's perfectly acceptable. We can't REALISTICALLY expect people to IMMEDIATELY integrate what they are being told about this methane because they don't even understand the carbon cycle yet or our impact on it.

The average American is decades behind in climate research and STEEPED in their own preconceptions and political ideologies and they have no way of leaving those frameworks and viewing their world differently because it's those very frameworks that they've built their lives around them.

We are going to need ENDLESS patience. The way that I choose to spend my time is helping every single person that I can before my time runs out. This news has changed my life in a more positive way than I ever could have imagined. Before this I had nothing really to live for, just some vague notion that I would needed that I had to grow strong, now that the moment is arrived I can see that my life and it's experiences have all been leading somewhere I could feel but could not understand.

I want to talk about self-contained human ecosystems. I want to talk about designing cheap, human and plant habitats that can be spread across the surface within ten years, and new political/economic paradigms.

Let's get started surviving and preparing TOGETHER... not as individuals thinking that there is somewhere they can go to hide.

>>8779283
>retard science
>current japanese birth rates falling, causing serious economic problems that will progress to a crisis in the next few decades

You guys realize that climate change deniers basically only exist in America, right?
In every other civilized country the left and right actually agree that climate change is happening and is caused by humans.

This is an idea that I just considered:

Let us suppose you were suddenly in an atmosphere choked with c02. Would it not be possible to EXTRACT that carbon from the atmosphere, render it as a gas, and use that as a means of generating energy? Wouldn't the end permian atmosphere basically be free carbon fuel straight from the air?

>>8778853
>then breaks down into CO2
Wrong. Learn some basic chemistry first.

>>8781023

We wouldn't have to dig up our fossil fuels anymore it would all just be floating around in the atmosphere for us to grab and extract. KEK!

>>8781023
I think it's possible to somehow take it from the atmosphere, but that would require a lot of energy to do. This could be a problem.

Also, we don't have such a mechanism right now, other than planting trees. I'm not really well versed into this though.

>>8781029

Our homes could become photosynthetic. How could we do something like that? Civilization suddenly mimics trees and cleans the atmosphere. Radically differen't urban centers.

>>8781031

Why would filtering carbon dioxide from the air be a costly energetic process? Probably just a basic chem trick involved.

>>8781023
can already be done in a lab but not efficiently

>>8781039
think about how slowly plants grow

>>8781058

But plants also have to worry about growing. It takes a horse 7 years to physically mature but I can build a car tomorrow, for instance. By what process do plants absorb carbon from the atmosphere? Can you devise machines that do something similar in a fraction of the time?

global warming is a retard meme

stfu faggots

>>8781039
Of course you fucking can't, think about just pumping that much air.

>>8781023
You know for someone who criticize climate change deniers you really don't know shit about thermo.

>>8778937
I doubt global warming will have a drastic effect on human life.

>>8781393
The temperature in the tropics will rise enough to render agriculture basically impossible in a band around the equator. Many crops like rice have an upper limit above which they won't germinate. We're already close to that in southeast Asia and India. The failure of domestic agriculture in those countries would vastly increase food prices, which is the sort of thing that topples governments. China, for example, is staring down the barrel of a 38% drop in food production, which is a recipe for civil war. The destabilization of the tropics will produce a refugee crisis that will make the current one look small by comparison.

Wealthy people and CS will live in climate controlled VR warehouses and all the peasants and math majors will die

>>8781058
Idk the mold in my shower is growing pretty damn fast. Sounds like a shitty argument to me

bump for strategies for survival

>>8781442
Mold is a fungus, not a plant.

>>8781429
How close are we?
Shitlord commie detected.

>>8781616
28 degrees C is the peak temperature for growing rice. Any increase beyond that results in lower output. In the mid 30s, rice yield drops sharply with each degree increase in temperature. At 40 degrees, rice is simply no longer able to grow. Essentially all of southern China is already at 29 degrees. Places like India and Vietnam have already seen 33 and 34 degree average temperature during what is supposed to be the wet season. A few degrees more and they simply won't be able to feed their populations, creating civil unrest and a massive wave of migrants.

On top of that, much of India and Pakistan rely on meltwater from glaciers in the Himalayas which are rapidly disappearing, creating further strain on their food production. And, of course, there is the issue of Bangladesh and the fact that they will be underwater soon, displacing their largely muslim population into predominantly hindu India, which will be having a food and water crisis at about the same time and will likely come into conflict with Pakistan over what little water is still coming from the tributaries in Kashmir. The likelihood of a war between India and Pakistan increases as temperatures increase.

>>8781720
Yeah Asia is going to have massive and genocidal wars within the next 50 years. Thank fuck I live in cozy America

>>8781738

I'm always shocked but not entirely surprised by the lack of depth some people seem to possess. "Thank fuck I live in cozy America" is the utterance of somebody obviously foolish.

>>8781504
>>8781442

What difference does it make whether it's a plant or a fungus? If it can filter carbon from the air it's useful.

>>8781356

I have no degrees in any field and will never make that claim. I have no specialized knowledge, but none is required. I do not see how I am missing the big picture? I have done private research because I like what I like, and I follow what is important. I know alot about it because I was interested... and by alot I mean, in compared to the average Joe.

The connections between the processes that led to the end Permian and the processes currently (potentially) at play... supposedly? Is this even real life? I don't think I'll be able to integrate this fully anytime in the near future.

In any case, let's just say we're fucked for sure and we have that as a basepoint. If I WAS to survive in the middle of the end permian and I had human technology available to me, how would I go about doing that?

Reminds me of Mark Watney on Mars from the movie, except mass reproduceable on a massive scale within a decade.

>>8781738
Congrats, you're going to have to deal with the fact that Latin America is going to go through the exact same thing and produce a massive wave of refugees fleeing northward. You think it's bad now? It's going to get a lot worse, and no wall is going to be able to stop tens of millions of people fleeing civil war and starvation. Not for long.

In reality, no one is going to get out of this unscathed. Even those who aren't going to get hit by the worst of the temperature increase are going to have to deal with refugees from the places that will be. And even the people not in the direct path of those refugees will still be effected, as the whole world has become reliant on international trade that will be thrown into chaos by the failure of some of the most heavily populated nations in the world and the mass migration of an appreciable percentage of our species.

>>8781789
>What difference does it make whether it's a plant or a fungus? If it can filter carbon from the air it's useful.
Unlike a plant, fungi generally produce CO2 rather than removing it.

>>8780706
I knew about it in 2014. I'm in biomed not chem/orgo and im junior. i vote green but there is really nothing i can do except warn my family

>>8778765
http://www.sciencealert.com/7-000-huge-gas-bubbles-have-formed-under-siberia-and-could-explode-at-any-moment

bumping the end of humanity

>>8781738
By 2030 the Chinese glaciers have so melted away that they can't feed the Indus river, which gives Pakistan 85% of its food.
This is likely to start a war between Pakistan and India, both nuclear powers.

https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=39m15s

As far as climate change goes there are four types of people

1.) people who believe in it, yet deny it for personal benefit - monetary gain and survival
2.) people who believe in it and try to alert others to its presence
3.) people who don't believe in it because the first type of people told them that there's nothing to worry about
4.) people who have an inkling that climate change is happening yet deny it because denial is the first step in the acceptance process and they're essentially grieving for their future and the future of mankind

which are you? I'm a 2 myself

>>8779131
This