/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8717203
with the proper systems in place,over time, of course.

Well Earth has limited natural resources and Mars has more of some of them, so eventually the demand for those resources will be high enough that it's worth colonising it to mine em or whatever. No idea what the timeframe is though; I doubt it's within our lifetime. Raises the question of what the minimum amount of people and stuff to send to Mars to allow it to develop a colony that can build a way back and collect resources is. Reminds me of Factorio

I think a more interesting idea is at what point a pre-existing Martian colony (established for science or whatever) could turn a profit by exploiting Martian resources and shipping them back to Earth. Space tourism could also be a pretty big factor.

Given that high-end art connoisseurs on our planet currently routinely shell out 100 million dollars on single paintings, I would fully expect that if an artisan craftsman went to mars, forged a steel sword from Martian iron or carved a handsome piece of sculpture from martian marble ,and put it up for sale, that people would spend seemingly absurd amounts of money to get a hold of it.

That could help a great deal in the early years. someone send Damien hirst to mars, rich people love giving that guy money.

>>8717462

Mars would also be much better for mining the asteroid belt.

>>8717203
yes. but get it through your head that terraforming isn't going to happen. mars' value comes from the fact that it is a lifeless rock with a thin atmosphere. its been proposed that mars will serve as a giant forge/refinery planet. we can pollute the ever living fuck out of it and it won't matter.

Dirty mining of rare metals might be more profitable than on earth

Obviously people would pay money for mars rock tables/countertops, or mars made luxury goods

So would there be trade? Of course

>>8717203
Resource extraction, mostly mining, that's about it. That's all our moon and most celestial bodies are good for actually.

>>8717523
>So would there be trade? Of course
You're an idiot. There would NEVER be trade with mars.
>>8717203
Technically, any "investment" in mars would produce economic activity. Could you benefit from it? Probably, but not directly. A Mars colony would push innovation in many fields like robotics and drones, 3D printing, energy generation and efficiency, hydroponics, environmental control systems, medicine, aerospace engineering, mining, etc.

However, you'd have your growth really happening on another planet. I'm not sure what "interplanetary economics" would look like, but then again we have lots of app companies somehow worth billions though they don't actually generate revenue like Twitter and Snapchat so who the fuck knows.

You'll have to figure out the value of starting a colony that you can't trade actual goods with, but you can trade and import intellectual property and technology from. Interesting.

>>8717462
>Well Earth has limited natural resources and Mars has more of some of them, so eventually the demand for those resources will be high enough that it's worth colonising it to mine em or whatever.
Horseshit. You are vastly underestimating how cheap mining is on Earth versus how insanely expensive space flight is and the hypothetical idea of mining on another planet that's millions and millions of miles away, loading it into a rocket (on fucking Mars), flying the heavy material millions and millions of miles to Earth, safely landing the material on Earth and selling it at a 1,000,000,000X markup.

I don't care how "rare" the material is, it'll never be cost effective to mine it and bring it to Earth.

Even asteroid mining will only have value "in space" never being able to bring it to Earth.

>>8717695
>Even asteroid mining will only have value "in space" never being able to bring it to Earth.
you realize its piss easy to bring down rare earth metals from an asteroid right?

>>8717700
Yeah, you just crash them into the planet causing catastrophic damage or they vaporize upon entry into the atmosphere.

You also act like capturing and steering an asteroid into the Earth is a "good idea" or has ever been attempted before. Again, you're going to be out Billions to "asteroid mine" mere millions of material if you're even that lucky.

Stop huffing glue and posting on /sci/.

>>8717203
>0.38g
>"colony"

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>>8717695

Just look how much cheaper SpaceX made it in 10 years.

30 more years and maybe it'll be profitable.

>>8718510
Unless you're going to violate basic physics, no, it'll never get cheap enough to mine asteroids and Mars for Earth.

All mining in space will remain in space.

>>8717723
we dont know if low gravity will affect human development.
we only know what happens in 1g and 0g