/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8657109
>humans have barely colonized Australia or Canada
What.

>>8657121
We've only colonised a small part of both of those countries.

>>8657124
We choose not to colonize most of those countries. Also it wouldn't make sense considering population size.

>>8657109
One of the most compelling reasons to colonize Mars is that it's not Earth.

OP's great^10 grandfather
>lol why does that Columbus faggot want to look for an alternate route to India, we already know how to get there

>>8657170
>We can't see Mars from Earth

>I hate advancing science.

Good lord you are retarded OP.

Also, there is no need to colonize those areas. There is plenty of space on earth for humans to live....the problem is arable land.

Why colonize a place in bumfuck nowhere if you can't use the land for anything?

>>8657171
Do you not know what a telescope is?

we still have hundreds, if not a thousand more years of just dicking around between here and the moon.

call me when we can catch one of them platinum rocks you nerds keep saying is going to pay for this pipe dream.

>>8657170
Columbus' journey was about money, not exploration

>>8657109
>australia

Most of Australia is inhabitable due to extreme high temperatures.

>>8657226

australian here

that graph is pretty off, that's the highest temperature day we've ever had.

usually it's about 24 C

>>8657226
Bradfield Scheme when?

>>8657226

And Mars gets down to -100 F near the equator, you think that's better?

>>8657233
Yeah it's usually just a constant 24degrees everywhere. No variations at all.

>>8657202
>Why colonize a place in bumfuck nowhere if you can't use the land for anything?

I believe that's the question at hand.

>>8657124
Fuck off we're full

>>8657245

yeah but it's not fucking 40C every day, which is what the graph implies.

It's like that one or two days a year.

>>8657109
>let's go to mars!
The sooner we get cheap space travel the sooner we can maroon all the non-whites on Uranus and create paradise on earth.

>>8657202
you could turn a good chunk of the sahara into habitable land for the money that just one trip to mars will cost.

>>8657109
>canada
>australia
Op you dense retard can you pls just stop using the internet like forever ?

A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey's on the moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
(while Whitey's on the moon)
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
('cause Whitey's on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
I wonder why he's uppi' me?
('cause Whitey's on the moon?)
I was already payin' 'im fifty a week.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin' up,
An' as if all that shit wasn't enough
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face an' arm began to swell.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Was all that money I made las' year
(for Whitey on the moon?)
How come there ain't no money here?
(Hm! Whitey's on the moon)
Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill
(of Whitey on the moon)
I think I'll sen' these doctor bills,
Airmail special
(to Whitey on the moon)

>>8657109

We've explored much of the surface.

We've explored hardly anything on Mars.

That's the difference.

>>8657202
>Why colonize a place in bumfuck nowhere if you can't use the land for anything?

exactly

>>8657432

>>8657601
>>8657432

>>8657109

Living in the middle of nowhere is much more interesting on Mars than on Earth I guess. Feels much less meaningless. kek

>>8657223
>>8657171
>>8657206
>missing the joke

>>8657245
>>8657233
>>8657408
The map is for historical high temps, mouth breathers. It says so right on the fucking map.

>>8657109
There isn't enough people on Earth yet to colonize those places effectively.

Also, Mars can't be colonized. There's not enough gravity for babies and children to develop correctly.

>>8657665
>There's not enough gravity for babies and children to develop correctly.
this.
also the point of colonizing another planet is to have a back up plan in case earth goes to shit

If they colonize mars, what do they bring? These are humans you know, they love entertainment as much as the next guy.

>>8657683
I'd really rather Musk do asteroid mining and building O'Neil Cylinders that orbit the sun.

>>8657665
>Also, Mars can't be colonized. There's not enough gravity for babies and children to develop correctly.

It's possible.
Elon Musk explains how at 1:36m

https://youtu.be/gV6hP9wpMW8?t=1m36s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Mars

Because Antarctica, Siberia, the Sahara, Australia and Canada are all on a planet that's going to have four billion niggers on it in 2100 and Mars isn't.

Elon fled South Africa, do you really think this has never crossed his mind?

>>8657699

Asteroid mining is a bad meme.
You'll be blowing more reaction mass on changing their orbits than you'll get from them.

>>8657688
There is an 1980s movie where the opening scene is a couple guys tossing a football around on Mars. No clue what it was called. I'd imagine there'd be quite a few golf balls lost on Mars too.

>>8657707
>terraforming
>nukes

Hurr. Mars doesn't have a proper core for holding or shielding proper atmosphere and nukes are not going to help much at all. You need massive bombardment using comets and asteroids which is as absurd as it sounds. The process will take 100,000s of years. You are better off just doming over everything you want to live on.

Also, he says nothing about gravity.

>>8657709
You don't bring them to you, you send robots to them. They send back refined materials or even completely manufactured items. What retard would change the Delta-V of an asteroid?

>>8657683
the worst that could happen to earth is that it turns into a completely dead rock devoid of any life. which is exactly what mars already is. earth would even then still be more habitable for humans, because the gravity is what humans are used to and it still will have shielding against space radiation.

>>8657718

Nukes are useful for releasing locked co2. I'd prefer blanketing parts of the planet with a lots of dark material to absorb more solar light though. not because of >muh nukelaer pollution but because it seems more practical to me since the nukes will have to be produced locally anyway.

>>8657749
It'd be a total waste to release it before the core was restarted or more mass was added to the planet. The best course of action really is to invest in dome tech. It is fast and will work. You'd also need to use centrifuges for raising children and keeping in shape due to low gravity. Mining the ice would be better than releasing it.

>>8657739
>which is exactly what mars already is
hence why the objective is to make another planet habitable, so that if earth becomes uninhabitable there exists a back up plan.

>>8657752
>if earth becomes uninhabitable

Like from multiple asteroid strikes or devastating nuclear winter or massive solar eruption. Stuff like that is the only real reason. Which is perfectly possible.

>>8657751

Genetic engineering to adapt humans to 1/3g and increased radiation is far more realistic than restating planetary cores or increasing mass. Those are just not doable without magic tech.
And if you can do them, better go for venus in the first place.
If it's doable to thicken mars' atmosphere enough to not need pressurized suits, it'll be almost as good as earth anyway. Don't need much more for life there.

>>8657665
>There's not enough gravity for babies and children to develop correctly.

What if keep spinning the mother for nine months so that the centrifugal force provides a surrogate for gravity?

>>8657601
>>8657606
Fuck off we're full

>>8657606
>People live on the majority of Australia
What's your point again?

>>8657752
or you could just build some bunkers on earth and equip them with everything to slowly recolonize earth from them. these kind of bunkers already exist and they cost a couple of millions, instead of a couple of trillions.

>>8657804
except recolonizing a planet in a short amount of time won't always be feasible while we can take as long as we need to make another planet hospitable before the inevitable will happen

>>8657816
yeah, lets start terraforming mars, 100.000 years from now we might be succesful, or not. lets spend trillions of dollars on it.

sounds perfectly reasonable.

>>8657124
What Did He Mean By This

>>8657109
>Not evacuating the earth before reaching its carrying capacity of the estimated 10 billion humans.

>>8657832
mars is just a testing ground, and yes cutting edge research is expensive. deal with it brainlet

>>8657878
lol, thats what wasting money looks like. every groundbreaking technology ever was not even close to that kind of money to research.

>>8657880
yes science progresses indeed my little brainlet friend

>>8657665
>not enough gravity for babies and children to develop correctly
Any sources for this?
I see some studies on mammalian reproduction in microgravity but nothing particularly conclusive.

>>8657121
Half of Canada is inhospitable arctic tundra. Nunavut (one of the three northern territories) is two million square kilometers in size, but only has a population of 30,000.

>>8657894
Fuck off we're full.

>>8657109
to be fair
we have mililtary bases on all these places

its usually the military that learns about living in harsh environments.

Im waiting for another bio-dome type project myself though.

>>8657892
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast01oct_1

>>8657755
>Genetic engineering
>on humans

That's a pipe dream outside of research labs. Have you seen the public uproar over GMOs? Imagine if there were GMO humans in the general populace.

>>8657226
Good thing Mars is much more habitable. Oh wait it still has stupid temperatures and crazy sand storms, except with no oxygen or a magnetosphere.

Where do I donate guise :^)

>>8657910
This isn't a source

This is just explaining there are detrimental effects on humans in space

>>8657751
Solar wind would deplete the atmosphere over thousands of years. It wouldn't just blow it away over night. Thousands of years of atmosphere is plenty for humans to live there for a while.

>>8657926
Mars gravity is a third of Earth's so we can expect to see some fraction of the detrimental effects of zero gravity.

>>8657926
yes it explains that low gravity is obviously bad for bones. mars has less than half the gravity of earth. be smarter next time ok?

>>8657912
People would probably care less about modified humans than food. Gene therapy exists and nobody cares.

>>8657912

Haha, no.

A tearjerker campaign about innocent girl dying during birth of her mutant martian child and how it all could have been stopped if doctors were just allowed to do their job...
And you're halfway there. Not to mention genetic engineering solves plenty of hereditary problems. People will be flocking to gene therapy making sure their kids aren't autistic or otherwise afflicted by shitty genes.

That's for, ahem, democratic nations, if they remain so which is a very questionable considering the post cold war tendency towards control. Others systems won't really give a shit.

>>8657930

More like millions of years. The magnetic field is just a radiation problem. Tiny atmosphere loss is not really an issue.

>>8657938
So you have no source, smartass.
I don't doubt there will probably be medical issues. But saying we can't reproduce at all with the gravity on Mars is purely conjecture on your part.

>>8657954
that wasn't me. all i'm saying is you can't have people living on mars until you find a way to deal with the lack of gravity. and yes i can't see a way babies and children can form normal bones in an environment where adults lose bone mass at the rate of someone with osteoporosis

>>8657226
>inhabitable
And it says "inflammable" on this can of hairspray over here. I guess that means I can have naked flames around it.

>>8657980

We only have data for 1G and 0G environments. Mars is 1/3G and thus children born there may or may not be OK.

>>8658001
It intuitively doesn't seem like a big deal to me because there are definitely people that are 40% as physically active or 40% of the mass of other people and are still healthy

>>8657989
Thanks for the correction, it's *uninhabitable.

>>8657707
>that autist level joke that colbert has to take a second to process at 1:36

/OURGUY/

>>8657894
They should rename it to Nunavus.

>>8658002
> that are 40% as physically active or 40% of the mass of other people
That's true and false. They're talking about bone and muscle mass. Sure there are humans that have 40% less mass than other humans, but they're talking about mass lost I think.

What if a 170 pound burger went up there, lost 40% of his body mass and ended up weighing 68 pounds over the course of a few years? That's definitely not healthy

>>8658251
>up weighing 68 pounds
I meant to say 102 pounds.

>we don't even have cities in volcanoes
>people want to live in space

lol try again in 400 years

>>8658262
Volcanoes
>temperatures of 1000 to 2000 degrees F
>barely enough space to fit a football stadium for highend volcanoes
>requires extremely heat resistant (popsci) materials to build habitats
>instant death outside

space (mars)
>non-arab temperature
>barely any pressure
>can build habitats using existing materials
>can actually survive outside of your habitat for a little

Hmmm

>>8657894
> Half of Canada is inhospitable arctic tundra.
The other half are inhospitable assholes.

>>8657109
>>humans have barely colonized... canada
Fuck off, we're full.

>>8658273
was this post sponsored by autism?

>>8657109
>>8657226

With the massive amount of money and manpower it'd cost to go to Mars we could create tech to transform those parts of Australia into a lush habitable home for Syrian refugees.

>>8658289
CANADIANS ARE NICE SHUDUP

the point is that you need a colony on mars to make use of martian resources

There is no shortage of resources on earth, you don't need a colony in australian desert if you want to mine something there

>>8658311
much cheaper solution is to annihilate the rebels and end the fucking war.

>>8658339
Much cheaper is to not do anything and let it handle itself.

>>8658337

you actually don't need to colonize mars with humans to explore their resources, it's much simpler, less risky and expensive to send robots.

>>8657430
>turn a good chunk of the sahara
>into habitable land
good luck with that concept, Ramses

>>8658311

Spending resources to help backwards, uncivilized brown people stuck in the 8th century is a complete waste. Spending resources to establish a colony on another planet is productive and guarantees mankind survives if shit hits the fan on Earth.

>>8658573

Space exploration is a waste while there is even a single child left starving in Africa and a world plagued by inequality and suffering. That's not even unethical. It is a crime against humanity.
I think the UN should intervene when if things go out of hand and that 1 percenter's dreams start coming into fruition.

>>8658598

>the white man's burden is now part of the left's platform
What a long strange trip it's been

Why does every 3rd thread on this board have this guy's smug face posted in the OP?

>>8657109
>humans have barely colonized places that are still going to be destroyed if a space rock decides to hit earth
>hurr let's go to a place where the human race is protected if some shit happens to earth
>gibe money to save mankind pls

can you believe this guy? shameless

>>8658705

just nuke the rocks before they arrive

>>8658598
Africa is an irrelevancy in regards to the evolution of human population. Space exploration isn't.

>>8657109
At least he's got the balls to be the christopher columbus of dis age. He could easily buy a cyro chamber and wait it out until we occupy mars.

>>8658716
so he's got the balls to be a maniacal genocidal white supremacist

>>8658720
It's 4chan, so by acknowledging Christopher Columbus as an asshole and implying that the lives of the sticky natives mattered, you have now signed yourself up for a an utter bukkake of humiliation by the /sci/ flavor of anti-SJWs.

May [EVOLUTION] have mercy on your [BRAIN CELLS].

>Australia dessert
>Sahara
>Canada tundra
>Serbia

You know what
That's a great question

Why HAVEN'T we colonized these area yet? It's not like we don't know how to insulate or generate energy. First thought is water, extreme cold demands alot of energy to keep it liquid, and extreme heat makes it evaporate.

Looks like a problem with energy and water distribution.

>>8658720

>>8658720
>Implying European Conquerers weren't superior to primitive natives.

And Mars is unoccupied, there's no race cards you can pull out there, making it liberal hell.

>>8658749
muh mother mars natural beauty n shit

>>8658750
Wuz Martians in shiet.

>>8658741
We have research bases up in Canadian north.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alert,_Nunavut
Why would we spend the time to make these areas livable when we have livable land in the south that still can be developed. I think this is what OP meant as well, this guy wants to spend trillons of dollars terraforming Mars when we can do it for much cheaper here(disregarding politics and territorial disputes).

>>8657109
Let's make 1 thing properly clear here. It's not about whether Musk is reaching his goals with his companies. It's about pushing current markets and industries to the next step by bringing in competition with electrical cars, solar energy, upgrading the stagnating rocket technology... . He should be applauded for his effort in pushing all of this r&d with his companies and keeping it up as the CEO in this progressive market with many naysaying cunts like OP.

And yes, the Mars population goal is not attainable for (t)his lifetime, he knows that as well. Perhaps we'll see the first colonists arrive there in our lifetime, but they'll be collaterals. And it'll take a lot more time before we will perform proper colonisation projects on Mars. Humans aren't biologically made/prepared for space exploration and colonisation. So we'll have to tackle all of these issues first.

The only project that i'd shoot down from him is Hyperloop, that one is an engineering disaster.

>>8657109
Kill yourself

>>8658777
Well look at that, the frog god has spoken.

>>8658749

Libfags will cry about muh racism muh diversity muh white (space)flight if each ship sent to Mars doesn't have enough Muslims, Basketball Americans, Mexicans etc

>>8658835
>how to spot an underage
Nobody would care except for a small minority of the far left and China with its American inferiority complex.

>>8658852

You're right. They will wait until after whites have done the hard work of establishing prosperous, thriving colonies and then demand that they accept their fair share of refugees and Section 8 hood rats.

>>8657942
It will never happen. Ever. humanity won't last that long anyway.

>>8658598
The best way to fix Africa is to decrease births per woman, because right now they're kinda dumb and just want to eat and fuck all day.
Instead of sending food we should be sending contraceptives (condoms might be the cheapest).

>>8657910
We still have zero, literally zero, idea of what would happen if a baby were conceived and born using Mars gravity.

>>8657938
Sigh.

It only explains to what happens to bodies that have been accustomed to Earths gravity for their entire life.

Comparing that to someone who was born and raised on Mars is 100% different

>>8657930
>>8657930
>Solar wind would deplete the atmosphere over thousands of years

Not if you constantly are replenishing it. If you are constantly replenishing the atmosphere (using whatever terraforming technology) then it wouldn't be a big deal at all

>Advancing science and 1 step closer to intergalactic travel
>bad thing

You guys...

>>8659156
Poor people have more kids to help them out (take care of the chickens etc.) and to make sure at least one survives to adulthood. Kind of a grim reality.

>>8657873
>earth can sustain 10 billion humans

maybe 10 billion third world humans. no fucking way we'd ever achieve high standards of living for 10 billion humans on this planet.

>>8659230
The only limiting factors are water and food.

>>8657202
>Why spend lots of resources to benefit mankind reasonably by making parts of the world more liveable when we can spend billions, our resources, scientists and time to do that exact same thing except very far away in a place that's infinitely more difficult to live in and takes years to travel to.
This is literally what supposedly """intelligent""" people believe

>>8659245
>spend lots of resources to benefit mankind reasonably

>>8659245
>lets just stay on Earth forever.

Being able to colonize other planets would benefit humanity so much more than colonizing the Sahara, you fucking dunce.

>>8657109
lol i thought about this too.

it'll be an impressive feat but it's true. plenty of un- I don't want to say conquered so let's say - unmastered lands on Earth.

>>8659248
Yes, instead of spending lots, lots, lots of money to possibly benefit mankind in the far future

>>8659250
Going out and buying a second burger when you're hungry instead of eating the one you've only taken a bite out of is stupid, you fucking anal retard.

I like how everyone assumes both options are mutually exclusive form each other.

top kek

>>8659245
>>8659255

>Detroit was a first world, habitable city
>niggers turned it to shit
>Baltimore was a first world, habitable city
>niggers turned it to shit
>Oakland was a first world, habitable city
>niggers turned it to shit
>pretty much any big city in America was a first world, habitable city
>minorites turned large parts of all of them to shit
>Australia was a desert with very little good land, harsh weather and tons of animals that want to kill you
>abos did nothing with it for tens of thousands of years but the white man's rejects (British criminals and assorted castoffs) turned the continent into a first world nation in a couple centuries

Maybe the problem has more to do with the people and not the land. Maybe it's a complete waste of time to help the helpless. Maybe mankind would be better served if the helpless were forced to either help themselves or die off.

>>8659255
We spend approximately 80% of our budget on these things already (healthcare, social security, welfare, school and infrastructure funding) in the US, whom still has the highest proportion of space spending worldwide (0.5%)

SpaceX gets 60% of their funding from telecom launches paid for by cell phone plans

>>8657109
>someone else(OP) sucks at doing something
>that must mean elon and friends cant go to mars
fuck off retard.

>>8659255
>>8659255
>Yes, instead of spending lots, lots, lots of money to possibly benefit mankind in the far future

This where your argument falls apart. Colonizing another planet isn't "possibly" benefiting society, it'd be the single greatest achievement we as a species could possibly achieve.

There is only so much fresh water and land available to grow crops and because of that there is an upper limit on how many humans can reasonably live on this planet.

10 billion humans is the current estimate, and that's assuming we drastically reduce our meat intake which aint gonna happen. And considering that the population is estimated to hit 10 billion by 2050...

Even if you could magically make every inch of the Sahara and Australia arable and suitable for farming, you still don't have a solution for fresh water and that would only stave off the upper limit for a short time.

testing

>>8659271
(If you can read this, you test has failed. Leave forchan immediately)

>>8659261
Ahaha, are you for real? Detroit, Baltimore, and Oakland went to shit because they were hubs of manufacturing, industrialization, and rail transportation which became obsolete. The reason these cities have large black populations is because white people left once the cities' economies failed, not because black people came there and fucked it up. Are /pol/tards really this stupid?

>>8659265
How much of the US budget is going to terraforming the Australian Desert?

>>8659270
Subjective.

The greatest accomplishment of the human race would be to establish a moral system which made it morally correct to genocide the weak and control population.

The only reason the world will become overpopulated is because of uncontrolled births of shitty people.

Space exploration is a good goal for the future but the primary interest should be around resources, not living habitats on fucking mars. That's STUPID.

>>8659280
objectively, climate change research is proto-terraforming research

>>8659279

Lets see what blacks are like in their natural habitat, free from the evil white man's oppression

>>8659280
>The greatest accomplishment of the human race would be to establish a moral system which made it morally correct to genocide the weak and control population.

My sides.

>>8659279
well of course /pol/tards are too retarded to understand cause and effect, they see correlation and think that explains it, and when they see real cause and effect like in global warming they think it's correlation and no causation.
but they do have a point regarding black people being dumbasses

>>8657202
Antarctica is Mars with a thicker atmosphere though. Its the closest to an alien landscape on earth.

>>8657708
Blacks cant exist beyond a certain latitude on this planet, and the Arctic is alien to their evolution they would fucking die there in minutes.Its nice to know the arctic will be nigger free because they cant thrive there for long.

>>8659397
Or maybe they see majority white communities who have it worse than black majority cities yet the violent crime rate and intelligence/academic levels aren't anywhere near as bad

>>8657832
What do you think happens to money after you spend it?

>>8658607
DREAM ON, MARS MAN

>>8659227

Traveling to Mars is as much of a step to intergalactic exploration as making a raft is to nuclear submarines.

>>8659668
well since rafts is where we started as a species and now we do have nuclear submarines, that means it's a first albeit small step in the right direction. or maybe you should think your analogies through

>>8659678
we've been making rafts for thousands of years, by hundreds of different civilizations, most of them would never have gotten there and you treat it like such advancement was inevitable. If we were to spend a spacecraft to alpha centauri today it would take hundreds perhaps thousands of millennia to get there (if it got there, it wouldn't), traveling to Mars is an insignificant, laughable, trivial accomplishment in comparison.

>>8659700
yet you gotta start somewhere, nuclear submarines wouldn't have popped out of nowhere. and you're wrong on all accounts. project starshot would get to proxima centauri in just 3 decades. baby steps you gigantic faggot

>>8657430
The Sahara has the area of almost 10 million km2.

>>8657708
>Elon fled South Africa, do you really think this has never crossed his mind?

Actually yeah, I really wonder what does he really think about it all. I'm half expecting a politically correct immigration criteria of "whites only". Probably something connected with required high IQ and selection limited to high % whites countries.

>>8659432
>Blacks cant exist beyond a certain latitude on this planet
Tell that to Sweden

>>8659732
The rocket ticket costing $200,000 to $500,000 is a good enough barrier on its own

>>8657109

OP I think you're missing a big factor in this equation:

Mars has no niggers.

You can tell me to go back to /pol/ all you want but it's true. Just look at all the shit Chinese contractors hired to build infrastructure in the Congo have to deal with.

As far as the other four it's simply an issue of who owns what. I mean I respect some poor fuck that thinks he's going to tame Siberia but chances are pretty high a good chunk of that shit is going to be federal property anyway.

With Mars everything's free game and all bets are off. There's no land laws or Nations on Mars. There's no really annoying spear chucking GIBS ME DAT natives. There's not annoying as fuck federal government shoving its nose up your ass every other week to pass new regulations that increase the taxes on your operation.

Now, granted, the technology we'd have to develop to exploit areas like the Sahara, Australia, and so on are the technologies we'd actually need to tame Mars. Mars is a lot like those places except worse.

All I really have to say about this poor fuck is God bless him. If he thinks we're getting to Mars any time in the next two decades then he might be crazy or a secret genius. Either way God bless him.

>>8659726
The great man made river in Libya cost like 25 Billion and is supplying a good part of the desert with water. One flight to Mars and back will cost probably something around 1 trillion. So you could instead build 40 great man made rivers. That would easily cover 1 million km2 with fresh water.

>>8657109
>Oh gee wizz why should we colonize beyond our planet?
>It's not like we've always done this (Eg. Britain) and this is mainly done for exploration and discovery

Whats wrong with half of this board?

>>8660037
you dont have any of that on the unclaimed land of antarctis, plus the gravity is actually suited for your body.

>>8660050
to be fair though, i think this guy is more going to be like the vikings and will horribly fail in establishing a colony. i admire him, but he will definetely fail with this one.

>>8660055

True, but the single most important resource in Antarctica is thermal energy. Most of Mars has thermal energy in abundance all year round. The geological position of Antarctica leaves much to be desired for long tracts of time.

If you don't have the manpower to set up a mining operation on-site or have some source of outside fuel you're going to have to rely on solar panels. Some parts of Antarctica only get a few hours of sunlight a day. Some places don't get sunlight for months. On the other hand, at least the air is breathable and there's plenty of water.

>>8659668
And to get nuclear subs you had to first master normal subs first. Mastering the exploration and colonization of our solar system must be perfected before intergalactic exploration/colonization

>>8657226
aussie here
it was 41C today kek, it's perfectly livable and not that hot most of the time

almost all of it is habitable, it's just deserts (35% of land) are hard to retain large populations in because a lack of water, you can alleviate this if you're willing to pour money into providing water and other logistics. Which people aren't because there is plenty of better land. We don't need to, the coasts alone (AKA generally the bests parts to live in) are still larger than most countries and we have a relatively small population.

>>8660045
>One flight to Mars and back will cost probably something around 1 trillion.
Yeah, a full scale colonisation might be something like that.

>So you could instead build 40 great man made rivers. That would easily cover 1 million km2 with fresh water.
You're forgetting the desalination plants my nigga. Besides, are you seriously advocating that 1 million km2 of land is better than a whole planet of Mars?

>humans have barely colonized antarctica, siberia, the sahara, australia, canada

You miss the point that we could if we wanted to. there's just no demand to live in those places.

>>8657718
You could use the underground ice for refueling to transport metal from further out.

>>8657665

We don't know that, but we don't have any reason to assume that. Plants have no trouble developing in microgravity, they just grow in a ball because they rely on gravity-sensing hormones to work out where to grow their roots. Fetuses don't use gravity sensing hormones to work out where to put the feet and the head because the fetus can go upside down or any orientation inside the womb.

>>8659156
>pic

There's always a curve. The real problem is westernization.

>>8660037
>>8660058
wtf I love war now

let's just take some land, they're not using it anyways

Let's go for Sahara first, at least the Sun is some form of energy and I hear cow shit turns desert into livable land

>>8659668

Intergalactic exploration isn't possible. The galaxies are receeding away faster than we could ever travel.

>>8661109
Not every galaxy is moving away...

You might have heard of the Andromeda Galaxy

>>8657226
fucking abos, this used to be all forest but they just had to burn it all down because that was the only way they could outsmart the local fauna

>>8661129
Triangulum will most likely hit us first. Or rather get smooshed between us. But, 4 billions years? I ain't got dat kinda time.

>>8661151
>mfw a /sci/libtard tries to convince me some breeds of humans aren't inferior to others

>>8661129

Only a hundred or so galaxies are moving towards the Milky Way. The vast majority are all moving away from us. Eventually, in hundreds of billions of years, it will be impossible to see any galaxies outside of the local galaxies because of extreme distance plus severe redshifting. The observable universe will only be a handful of galaxies.

>>8661205
unless we create some kind of anti-dark energy device to fuck the universe and the asshole god who made it up their irritated assholes

>>8659245

>limited resources

Exactly why we need to eventually start colonizing places that aren't Earth.

Even if we don't live to see the day where civilization is collapsing under the need to take shit that's no longer there, our kids might. They'll thank us for keeping them one step ahead of impending doom.

>>8660874
There's no demand to live on Mars aside from lonely austits on a Ecuadorian Panama hat makers forum

>SpaceX keeps pushing dates back

They are going to go out of business soon

>>8657109

>>8661644
Are you fucking kidding, what was the reason to go to America really. At the time it probably seemed pointless to a lot of europeans

>>8657124
Kek

>>8661205
>Eventually, in hundreds of billions of years, it will be impossible to see any galaxies outside of the local galaxies because of extreme distance plus severe redshifting. The observable universe will only be a handful of galaxies.

So, future civilisations won't even know galaxies every existed, they'll think their galaxy is the universe. I wonder if there's stuff we can't ever see.

>>8659119
that's edgy, idiotic and unoriginal

>>8658311
Fuck off we're full.

>>8657226
>>8660709
THIS. I'm not sure how hot it gets in your countries, but you'd be suprised how livable 40 + degrees celsius really is. We've had a few 44 (111.2 fahrenheit) odd degree days this summer, we're due for 41 (105.8) tomorrow. Not even mad. Harden up soft cock eurofags.

>>8658090
Carlos!

>>8661752
extremely cheap, fertile land and freedom

>>8658607
Dream on, Mars man

>>8660050
>British Colonialism was mainly done for exploration and discovery

>>8661742
Is this real?

>>8662122
Yes. As real as anything the New York Times prints these days, anyway.
https://archive.fo/FpyAq

>humans can barely colonize parts of Earth that aren't habitable and offer no reason why we should even want to make them hospitable
>it's a stupid idea to colonize a far away place that is habitable (with proper setups)

hurrrrrr fucking durrrrrrr

>>8662890
>0.1% oxygen
>no global magnetic field
>more habitable than any of earthly place

>>8661205
Why are you fuckers so concerned about this? In about 100 years most of humanity will be living in vr where we will be able to make our own physical laws. The real universe won't even matter then.

>>8658710
now you have millions of small rocks that will still cause big fractions of the original damage

>let's colonize Mars just in case the entire ecosystem and atmosphere on Earth becomes unlivable

Uh.....um.....sir, Mars' atmosphere and ecosystem are already unlivable. Couldn't you just dome over places on Earth and skip the cost of doing the same thing on Mars?

>>8661205
>>8661901


I'm sure by then there will be tech to observe that far or even find a shortcut to travel there.

>>8663106

Aside from preservation of humanity, Mars has other value. It can be a staging area for missions to the rest of the Solar System. Martian colonies can help ease overcrowding on Earth. We can move the dirtiest, most hazardous factories to Mars so Earth can be cleaner (though the Moon would probably be a better location for factories). In the long term, on the scale of centuries or perhaps millennia, it may be possible to terraform Mars to be more like Earth. Establishing permanent colonies on Mars should boost space-related R&D.

It's an entire fucking planet, I'm sure we can find plenty of useful things to do there.

>>8662916
>0.1% oxygen
Deploy greenhouse gases on the planet. Literally pay companies to pollute, it will strengthen the atmosphere.
>no global magnetic field
see above

you might be retarded

>>8657109
>some people should live in shitholes while I live in paradise
Do you not see maybe why cities and coastlines are so densely populated?

>>8657124
Confirmed retarded

>>8657109
the thing that annoys me is that if we're so willing to terraform an entirely new planet, why the fuck can we not deal with climate change here on earth?

>>8663606
He's right though?

>>8663615

Nobody is talking about terraforming Mars any time soon. That won't happen until long after all of us have died.

>>8663378
>colonies
>Mars

kek, no. not enough gravity. just have O'neil cylinders instead

>>8663640
so for the fuck of it then? Does Mars have that many resources to make it worth while?

>>8657109
What Mars offers is an escape from the single point of failure that is earth.

e.g. large rock hits the earth

Not a complete escape, as both could be destroyed by a nearby supernova, but still wroth while.

>>8657109
yes let's rather support the human immortality project. About time to live forever!

>>8657121
>>8657432

Just more proof that the average /sci/ browser is leaning more and more towards ignorance.

Coincidentally, this is at the same time that we're seeing more /pol/ users.

Certainly not related.

>>8663727
>complains about ignorance
>availability heuristic
>post hoc ergo propter hoc
wew

>>8663655
We're running out of tungsten and neodymium and cobalt and all those exotic materials needed for stuff like smartphones and solar panels and LED bulbs at a pace considerably more alarming than peak oil

>>8663856
>tungsten
that shit is everywhere
>neodymium
that shit is everywhere, just hard to extract

someone could setup a mine in a landfill

>>8663856
In hindsight, allowing ourselves to become dependent on nonrenewable resources that were in short enough supply to begin with that they have "rare" right there in the fucking name was a terrible mistake.

>>8663856
We struggle to find graphene and litium too.

And it's incredible how many more minerals we are going to need in the future,

Outer planet mining it's the only solution.

>>8663930
Or maybe reconsider industrial-technological society and transition to a paradigm that doesn't have infinitely-increasing energy and material requirements.

well we cant go to the moon cuaz we dont own it , but we do mars..... makes you think .
or it should....... it really should.......

>>8663875
rare earth metals aren't necessarily rare though, faggot

>>8657894
Do you think Mars is hospitable?

>>8657707
It's a computer programmer tries to tell you about theoretical biologic processes episode

>>8663940
unfortunately they're rare everywhere expect for the deep ocean and China

>>8663981
read a book nigger

>>8663932
We will end listening to the anarco primitivists.

Two hundreds years from now, people will read Ted Kaczynski.

Weirder thing have happened before, even Guy Fawkes got his shoot at inmortality.

>>8663932
Good luck with that, luddite

>>8657894
as opposed to fucking mars?

>>8657109
Getting there is what counts, not living there. We can open up new opportunities if we can get there but we are relatively stuck until we do.

>>8663932
Fine, what do you do with the other eight or nine billion people you can't feed anymore?

>>8663963
There's no Canadians in it, for one

>>8664125
Gently taper the human race down to a sustainable level by choice rather than waiting until the Malthusian Sword of Damocles falls on our collective head and forces the issue.
The idea that we can just keep coming up with new and clever ways to feed, clothe, shelter, and hydrate nine, ten, twelve, twenty, who knows how many billions of people forever is utterly preposterous.
Bringing the human race down to a sustainable population will be unpleasant, but the longer we wait to do something the worse it will be.

fuckers, we don't need to send a single man to any other planet to do mining. It'll all be done by robots.

>>8664500
so more unemployment. thanks but no, brainlet

>>8657109
>He doesn't know that the Antartic ancient civilizations got wrecked during the last cosmic fuckup.
I bet you don't even know about how Mars fucked our atmosphere up.

>>8657109
major antarctica settlement when

>>8665022
The political problems are worse than the technical ones there.

>>8663930
>We struggle to find graphene and litium too.
Graphene is just carbon. You can make it from coal, natural gas, sewage, agricultural waste, limestone, whatever.

Lithium is essentially inexhaustible once you start extracting it from seawater (this might sound prohibitively costly, but with ion exchange resins, you basically just leave stuff to soak in the sea until it's full of lithium, then haul it up, wash the lithium out, and set it to soak again).

Precious metals are just about the only thing we might plausibly want to mine in space for use on Earth.

>>8665116
>[natural resource] is essentially inexhaustible
That's what they always say.

>>8657109
Colonizing Antarctica would be difficult; but if we wanted to we could do it.

Colonizing Mars will be even more difficult, but again, it could still be done.

I bet Mars will be colonized long before Antarctica. Why? Because motivation matters. People rightfully find the idea of exploring and inhabiting a new planet more exciting and enticing than moving to another continent. Sorry you're too autistic/butthurt to deal with the fact that others want something you don't. Feel free to throw a tantrum.

How about we colonize nothing and start fixing things down here first

like the population problem

>>8666245
OK, I'll wait while your family kills themselves.

So how many problems do we have to solve before we can explore again?

>>8666253
>So how many problems do we have to solve before we can explore again?

Just the population problem

>>8663932
Ted pls go.

>>8664125
>Fine, what do you do with the other eight or nine billion people you can't feed anymore?

Neuter them

>>8666090
You know, they were intentionally wiping out the bison. It deprived hostile native tribes of their livelihood and reduced competition with domestic cattle.

Lithium's an element. It isn't destroyed except by nuclear reactions, and seawater is where it tends to eventually end up when disposed of. There are over 200 billion tons of the stuff in the ocean.

Nobody's going to go out and mine hundreds of billions of tons of lithium in space for use on Earth. Maybe people living in space will end up mining huge amounts for themselves somewhere (although by its chemical and physical nature, it's not something likely to be concentrated anywhere in particular for easy mining in space), but it won't make sense to go into space to get.

>>8666254
>We have to solve overpopulation before we open up new living space!
That's pretty bad thinking, even for /sci/.

Besides that, the challenges of surviving in space are stimulating for technological progress which is relevant here on Earth, and which should enable more efficient living on Earth.

The energy from sunlight that falls on Earth could actually support trillions of people, if efficiently converted and applied. Furthermore, it could launch billions of people into space every day.

The solar system's energy and material resources can provide many billions of times as much energy and living space as can be had on Earth.

The galaxy contains hundreds of billions of star systems. Once we master the ten-light-year hop, it's pretty much all available to our gradual expansion.

If we start to pull stars apart for fusion fuel (and the useful matter its fusion ash will become), our energy and material resources would be increased by millions of times, perhaps enabling us to consider the long, dark journey to a neighboring galaxy, a few million light years away.

But before we consider intergalactic travel, we're already looking at a potential human population of billions of trillions of trillions.

Anyway, humans aren't all one united group. If some countries are overcrowded, that's not my problem, as long as my country can defend its borders.

>>8665116
helium-3

>>8664152

Literally kys

>implying environmentalists will let him pollute mars

>>8657334

ausfag detected

do you have one of those bumper stickers?

>>8658607

Probably because he keeps doing things despite what other people say he can actually do.


[x] No private company will ever build and launch a rocket to orbit without government help
[x] No private space company will ever be more than a flash in the pan
[x] No private company will ever develop a launch vehicle that can compete with modern EELVs
[x] The Falcon 9 will never out perform EELVs
[x] The Falcon 9 will not result in market destabilization by offering a much cheaper alternative to EELVs
[x] The Falcon 9 will never successfully land a first stage on land/on a barge
[x] The Falcon 9 will never achieve better than 25% landing success
[x] The Falcon 9 will never achieve better than 50% landing success
[x] We will never see Falcon Heavy hardware
[x] SpaceX will never develop an operational Full Flow Staged Combustion cycle engine that runs on methane
[x] SpaceX will never become one of the leading developers of cryogenic carbon composite based rocket fuel tanks
----- You are here -----
[ ] SpaceX will never re-fly a landed booster
[ ] Falcon Heavy will never fly
[ ] SpaceX will never fly astronauts to the ISS aboard Dragon 2
[ ] SpaceX will never launch Red Dragon to Mars
[ ] Red Dragon will never successfully land on Mars
[ ] The Falcon 9 and Heavy will never achieve >90% stage recovery success
[ ] The Raptor engine will never achieve its target specifications
[ ] The carbon composite tank design of the ITS will never be successful
[ ] SpaceX will never begin reusing stages more often than flying new stages
[ ] The ITS vehicles and boosters will never be built
[ ] The ITS will never launch successfully
[ ] The ITS will never launch rapidly and reliably
[ ] The ITS will never land cargo on Mars
[ ] The ITS will never land humans on Mars
[ ] The ITS will never bring launch costs down enough for upper class people to go to Mars
[ ] The ITS will never bring launch costs down enough for middle class people to go to Mars

>>8657109
Would terraforming mars by nuking the polar caps and warming the planet produce enough atmospheric pressure that we could just use an oxygen/nitrogen mask and no suits? Also would our eyes be at all vulnerable in this bare condition or would we have to wear googles as well?
I understand that solar wind would blow away oxygen produced by plants but could the plants ever produce enough oxygen faster than is blown away in order to be able to breathe on mars? If say earth suddenly lost both its magnetosphere and its gravity reduced to the same as mars, would then the plants ever be able to make enough oxygen to breathe or would it be all blown away as its made with no cumulating effect? Also could we ever hope to retain water vapor in the atmosphere for it to rain on mars?

>>8658607
DREAM ON, MARS MAN

>>8666245
this thinking is the reason we haven't been back to the moon.

if you aren't constantly pushing for innovation and new feats you're stagnating, and effectively declining.

>>8664522
>muh feelings
Robots don't need space suits, food, or have families

Back to Tumblr for you

>>8657109
He's smart. He realized he can get money from the one organization in the world that can't run out of it.

Does mars have anything useful that we can use?

>>8657121
We cant colonize other areas because of these meatsuits, if we abandon these for superior mechanical bodies we could live virtually anywhere on earth except the really hot places like the mantle.

>>8659248
>Scientist
>caring about resources
>not just their ideas

>>8659279
Economy wise it is the fault of white people, crime and living conditions wise it is black people, black people literally make those three cities impossible to live in if you are BLACK OR WHITE. This is what you cucks dont understand, no one cares about the economy of black shitholes we care about the crime and general social discord.

>>8670371
Minerals, land real estate and a Plan B

>>8657109
if you want to get something done, you start somewhere

governments and international law are stifling development on Earth, Musk wants to do it on Mars where he doesn't need to deal with a bunch of legislative morons telling him he can't do anything.

>>8670498
Like anyone's going to let Musk colonize Mars without a contingent of space marines to keep the colony loyal and compliant.

>>8657109
While we're waiting for niggers to stop being niggers, the fucking aliens are colonising space. If we want to have any chance at surviving the inevitable war, we have to act now.

>>8657109
>"Hey guys, you know what's cool? Other planets. Let's go colonize one!"
>"Fuck yeah that's awesome, let's do it."

Where am I supposed to feel shame, again?

>>8657170
he was trying to get there faster

>>8658607

DREAM ON, MARS MAN

>>8657109
>can you believe this guy?

Yes, I do. We want to get as far as way from you fuckers as possible.

>>8666090
>That's what they always say.

And there is some truth to that when you have an entire solar system for raw material

http://fortune.com/2015/07/20/asteroid-precious-metals/

A single NEO will have trillions of dollars in precious metals.

and a sun for energy.

Average global power production: 15 terrawatts
Solar energy radiated from the sun: 385 trillion terrawatts.

Limitless? No. Orders of magnitudes greater than all of the resources on Earth? Absolutely.

>>8663875
"Rare" is a misnomer. Rare earths simply mean that these elements are not in neat little veins or deposits but is widely disperse through the Earth's crust.

>>8657109
>can you believe this guy?

Yes, I do. Fuckers like you are on this planet. That's good enough reason right there.

>>8657223
>Columbus' journey was about money, not exploration
It was about exploration to find a better way to make money. There hasn't been a lot of exploration for its own sake, it's mostly looking for useful information, and usually commercially-useful information.

Space exploration has been an exception, since it's been a dick-measuring contest between modern powers showing off how powerful and accurate their rockets are.

Anyway, colonizing Mars isn't about exploration, but exploitation.

>>8659732
>>8660030
I don't think that would stop black people from getting in.

>>8660037
>in the Congo
lel what went "right" here?

>>8668719
SpaceX is pushing shit back VERY fast
How many launches did they want to do by this time since the failure in september
3? 4?
They have done 1
And will do 1 launch in febuary
And the 2018 red dragon mission will be cancelled
And in 2020 the ITS will be nowhere near complete

>>8670724
Do we kill off all the niggers or nigger like groups or just save the assimilated ones? Do we get rid of the 5% that have the warrior gene variant? What about other groups that might have this gene?

>>8657109
>colonize
[math]Fuck~Off[/math]

>>8661161
i love finding pol on other boards. i came here to talk about fukushima

>>8663642
>small enclosed habitats on a planet with appreciable gravity are impossible
>LOL SPACE TUBES XDDDDDDD

>>8671349
>And will do 1 launch in febuary
So what? Delays of a few months are minor. The real question is whether they're going to be able to get up to that 2-launch-per-month cadence they're talking about and sustain it. Last year, they were doing 1-launch-per-month well enough outside of the grounded period after an infant-mortality failure of their densified propellant system.

>And the 2018 red dragon mission will be cancelled
No it won't. It's central to SpaceX's vision. It would hurt their credibility too much to not do it.

This isn't the kind of thing they have trouble with. Remember how quickly they put together Falcon 9 1.0 and the original Dragon. If they had really needed to, they'd have been able to put together a Falcon Heavy launch and propulsive capsule landing (with 80+% probability of success) any time in the past few years, however they'd have needed to make several of their paying customers wait, and the thrown-together demo probably wouldn't contribute to their important goal of routine operational status.

The Red Dragon launch window is a hard deadline, and they'll meet it. It may be only the second or third Falcon Heavy launch.

>And in 2020 the ITS will be nowhere near complete
See pic. Only supposed to be testing in 2020. Not supposed to be "complete" until nearly 2023, when they hope to be ready for one unmanned Mars launch.

Anyway, I don't think even SpaceX's most ardent fans would be shocked if ITS slipped a couple of years. They've been consistently behind schedule, but still making excellent progress.