/sci/ - Science & Math

drinking too much of that flint water does some shit to you

>>8645188
Nice dubs you have there

>>8645181
:^)

Sam Harris says:
Why debate these things, when nothing good can come from it?

>>8645195
That's fucking retarded

IQ is racis

>>8645195
>a better understanding of the genetics of intelligence isn't good

>>8645195
So the liberal/leftist position is just to act like it doesn't exist? When more and more nations are developing policies based on ultra-egalitarianism which is not rooted in reality? Seems like a recipe that will lead to disaster eventually.

>>8645199

You had some will power OP. I am impressed the frog didn't show up in your original post.

>>8645181

Black culture is toxic. Pick a random ESL black immigrant from Africa and he will speak fluent English and live a successful lawful life. Pick a random black that grew up around other american blacks and he be aw no gud english no how no way and have dat rap sheet be eh mile long ya feel.

>>8645196
Starting at 17:00 to 25:00 or so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0jPryEaR3w#t=17m0s

>>8645202
i'm not the frog fuckhead. isn't there some way to check for samefag.

>>8645202
I truly want to know the answer. if i wanted to bait i would go on /pol/. no one can give me one good scientific reason for this.

>>8645220
Reasons for what? There are few statistics that point to clear differences and talking about the content is rhetoric, on both sides. Watch the clip for a neutral discussion of dabbing into it at all.

>>8645205
He brings up a good point, we don't have the technology to do anything with that info yet. Once genetic engineering becomes commonplace things will change.

>>8645230
i watched it and its bullshit. pretty much the reason is "it doesn't produce anything socially positive" which is entirely subjective. I can say the exact same thing about ignoring it and letting our national IQ drain down.

>>8645181
Blacks growing up in da hood get shit education, and instead devote their brainpower to tha streetz, whatever it takes to survive. Then when they end up taking some IQ test they are under-educated and generally pissed about their life in general so they barely try. From this you get this unfortunate outcome.

>>8645243
Even adopted blacks have differences which debunks your whole argument.

They say that being in school raises IQ or something and thats why africans have lower iq, they tend to just yell fascist and racist at anyone who brings that stuff up tho

>>8645240
You'd be spending excessive resources and causing wars for not much benefit. We still let mentally handicapped people breed when we know it will cause problems for their offspring, so what would you even do with the info? We can do IQ studies with other species where ethics don't apply as much so why use humans?

>>8645248
Racist teachers.

also Inability to fit in -> rebellion/lack of effort in education -> shit IQ (plus 'muh dik imma fuck up this IQ test jus to fuck with the man cause im different and my life sucks')

>>8645259
you sure seem to come up with farfetched scenarios for just about everything

have you ever heard of occam's razor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

>>8645262
Frog posters are retards, therefore you're a retard, wow you were right about this occam's razor thing.

>>8645254
it doesn't have to be war and genocide. if you wanted to go full autocrat you could do forced sterilizations, or you could offer lifetime basic income for voluntary sterilizations. I doubt you could pull off the first one though without a civil war in a developed nation.

>>8645268
>>8645268
>Frog posters are retards, therefore you're a retard,
show me on the doll where the frog touched you

>>8645269
Why would you base it on race then? Go to the root of the problem which is IQ. Force people to get IQ tests and then sterilize those who fall below the quota. You wouldn't need to generalize based on the unclear connection of race.

>>8645269
>it doesn't have to be war and genocide. if you wanted to go full autocrat you could do forced sterilizations, or you could offer lifetime basic income for voluntary sterilizations. I doubt you could pull off the first one though without a civil war in a developed nation.
it was fairly popular even a few decades ago actually

>>8645262
What you propose might be true to some degree but if so then simply more educational effort is needed. As well, even if it is true entirely, people should be judged by character, not stereotypes. That said, stereotypes originate from reality, so when you're in a PvP zone like out in public, if someone looks sketchy its entirely reasonable to act slightly different initially. You can do this while still giving everyone the chance to prove themselves.

>>8645276
whoops forgot link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Eugenics_Board

>>8645259
teachers are the most liberal people out there. I mean they truly pick the cream of the crop SJWs to teach children these days. I hear cases of teachers whisking the kids away as early as 10-11 to hormone clinics to start transgender transitions without even telling the parents

>>8645248
I have doubts

>>8645275
IQ can be improved tho. It's not a perfect test.

>>8645283
So then don't do a eugenics program based on it, if you were going to do it then definitely don't base it on race.

>>8645275
Ok....but no matter where I put the benchmark there is going to be a lot more african/indigenous/etc. than whites and asians, so the same argument will come up.

>>8645280
Canada never change

Okay. I'm about to go to class so I can't write a long post but here we go:

First, IQ distributions are not well correlated with success. Multiple experiments have tracked high IQ children over the course of their lives and found that all of them had varying degrees of "success" in terms of employment and stability. Another experiment gathered high IQ children in a single school environment and groomed them and what they found when they became adults was the same - no breakthroughs in math or science. Almost everyone did the normie thing of getting a job and settling down. While I know you did it claim that blacks are worse off for a lower IQ distribution, I was sensing an implicit claim. So, first, throw that out. IQ has very little to do with future success.

Second, IQ tests are largely the ability to recognize patterns and apply logic to puzzles. One experiment examined the IQ of mathematics and physics science students before and after they completing their degrees. Afterwards, there was an average increase of about 10 points - conclusion: doing lots of logic puzzles doesn't necessarily make you smarter, but it makes you better at logic puzzles, and better at SPECIFICALLY IQ tests.

What can we learn from this: school increases your performance on IQ tests, which is probably why they're not correlated with success. Blacks live mostly in areas with low income and receive a poor education, with many dropping out. As a result, their scores are lower.

This is not a fault in their race, but their system and circumstances. And finally, most importantly: IQ tests are bullshit and /sci/ is stupid for thinking they matter.

>>8645275
>Go to the root of the problem which is IQ. Force people to get IQ tests and then sterilize those who fall below the quota. You wouldn't need to generalize based on the unclear connection of race.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact

>>8645293
I agree. I'm not the guy you originally suggested it to, didn't mean to argue it. You can't do eugenics based on either.

>>8645296
To be fair Alberta is practically Texas.

>>8645248
How old were the kids? There's a good chance the adopted black kids had shittier early childhood up to 7 or 8 or who knows?

>>8645306
Just throwing unsourced "maybes" out there is not a valid, sound or very honest debating strategy.

>>8645311

Oh my God. Who fucking cares?

Why are we politely entertaining your racist faggot ass?

Btfo and get out of /sci/ /pol/tard.

>>8645301
You're trying to argue that other races should be treated as inferior based on nothing but skin color. When that shit stops maybe things that level the playing field like that would go away? Nah, keep making them look like victims though I'm sure you've thought this through.

>>8645314
Typical. Getting called out on dishonest tactics triggers the liberal.

This is why we can't have nice things.

You don't even know my stance on the issue.

>>8645181
what's the asian distribution?

>>8645181
Intelligence has a genetic heritability of about 50%, but if you make any connection between race and intelligence you are a racist and probably a Trump voter too.
Real science works in a different way, kiddo.

>>8645314
>/pol/tard.
there's the bogeyman again!

>>8645319
>>8645311
Oh look at that... I WAS FUCKING RIGHT. It's like I can actually think or something instead of blindly trusting hand-picked excerpts.

>>8645315
no one said anything about fucking skin color. we are talking about IQ differences between specific genetic populations, aka race.

>>8645327
Sourcing your claim wasn't that hard now, see?

>>8645319

Your tiny brain can only comprehend skin color, so that is why you are obsessed over a very boring topic.

I cannot help but immediately think of people like you as a piece of garbage.

>>8645334
>I cannot help but immediately think of people like you as a piece of garbage.
Then maybe *you* are the actual bigot here.

>>8645334

>>8645330
>black and white
>genetic populations
Are you black?

>>8645181
We mistrust the motives and believe the study must be biased in some manner. Further, the reality is that educational attainment and test scores are directly linked to socioeconomic factors, this is not disputed by anyone of any merit- because the Bell Curve disputes this wildly observed phenomena, we are left thinking this must be bullshit.

>>8645338

People earn my respect. Racists have earned their repuation of being scum. They do not deserve an ounce of respect.

>>8645348
>We
speak for yourself

>>8645330
But why do SAT test scores prove that whites are smarter than blacks? I didn't make good scores in college and I'm smarter than you for sure. This is the problem OP, you're taking data that is in dispute and drawing conclusions that are a)irrelevent to everyone who isn't a racist shit head b) not valid thinking

>>8645315
that was one of the most strawman post i've ever read

>>8645351
Racism is scientific, deal with it.

>>8645351
>tfw the 18 years of conditioning kicks in

>>8645348
so the leftist argument is just to deny the data? by the way its commonly accepted the test/IQ differences are persistent throughout all socioeconomic factors, not just the bell curve. use google

>>8645354
That's basically every response to allegedly "racist" posts. Even pointing out fallacious arguments gets you branded as one. This whole thread is poison, but the egalitarian dogmatists are the worst of the bunch.

>>8645359
>>8645359
>so the leftist argument is just to deny the data?
yep

the hypocrisy is delicious

>>8645353
>i'm a genius but just l-l-l-l-lazy mom i swear

i never heard the argument that the data is in dispute before. usually i just hear "muh cultural differences" blathering, which is what my college textbook tried to tell me, which led to me making this topic.

>>8645181
I mean, let's play devils advocate for a minute, let's say your data 100% reliable and that it implies exactly as you say- blacks are durrrm, whites is be smerter, what then? I mean, what exactly do you want us to do? Do you want us to kill all the blacks because they aren't as bright? Or were you just looking for affirmation of your ideas from anon people on the internet who don't give a shit about a book that's been disproven already.

>>8645379
how we start with not trying to enact racial replacement in every single european country with africans

>>8645369
>egalitarian dogmatists are the worst of the bunch

At first I thought that a lot of people in academia were secretly redpilled, but seeing these threads over and over again I must conclude that they really are true believers.
Well, science is fucked.

>>8645355
you know that movie Gallaga that discriminated on a scientific level and people with the best genes would be the upper class and ended up with a really nice well functioning society? with almost no blacks? that ost made me think of that.

>>8645369
yeah racism is really hard to be honest about, that's why it's such an easy target for the strawniggerfags

>>8645373
Why are you having difficulties understanding that your environment shapes who you are? If you were locked in a pitch black cellar isolated and malnourished until you were 18 what do you think your IQ would be?

>>8645359
You literally deny the data by not reading the study and professional interpretations of the results.

>>8645379
>what exactly do you want us to do?

Stop wasting money on them

>>8645379
show me a reliable source that shows its fucking disproven then. its not the only book that notes these differences. show me a fucking study that takes a sample of black and white people and the data shows you can't differentiate them by IQ.

>>8645384
>Gallaga
*Gattaca

It's a play on codons.

On factual ground, because there are too many other socio-economic factors and biological factors, not relating to race as usually defined, that are not effectively excluded. These limited studies conducted by individuals of dubious motivations fail to provide reasonable theories and data to support them. You can make a similar chart with income distribution/crime rate and that doesn't mean a thing because there are so many potential factors.

On practical ground because nothing good can come out of differentiating a bunch of people by their races. Instead of worrying about the intelligence of your 'race' you should instead try to educate yourself and enact policies that help everybody individually.

If you have actually worked in the academia you know that 1, majority of people are just stupid. It doesn't matter that one group has higher IQ than the other, majority of them are useless intellectually. 2, people from all races, including blacks, can be bright and highly successful.

Even if it's true you should still judge people on a case by case basis.
t. white nationalist.

Herp, derp.

Let me show you my graph of Black and White! I don't even know what the fuck I am talking about?

Why did I choose Black and White?

Dat's all I heard about in Dallas, Texas! Dems blacks ruining life for me! That's why I live in a trailer and argue on /sci/.

Oh? People can have different shades of skin and Black and White are retarded categories?

I don't care! I never met a black person in my life, but I know what dey are likez.

*takes another shit on the chess board

>>8645385
i'm saying that even adjusting for environment and every other factor blacks have lower IQ, which was the whole topic.

>>8645373
>>never heard an argument that the data was in dispute

That's because you probably found references to "The Bell Curve" from /pol/ whereas I read this book 15 years ago because I have an entire library devoted to human cognition and learning. I could tell right away that the data was most likely unreliable or their sampling system was in question.

I don't have to justify my intelligence to some anon who's desperately seeking validation for his ideas off some random tentacle porn forum, that's just pathetic.

>>8645200
The right wing believes that as well.

>>8645392
Jeeesus, the mental jimnastycs

>>8645391
yeeeeeeah i dont know why i remembered it as Gallaga

>>8645379
This kind of argument would defund half of all basic research if it were applied without bias. A large part of academia is knowledge for knowledge's sake, with the occasional application a welcome but unintended beneficial byproduct. It's indecent to use it only when the discussion gets politically charged.

>>8645400
Good point you got there. Why think?

>>8645398
so show me one study that contradicts it.

>>8645181

This thread is non-scientific and should be deleted by the mods.

They are being way too fucking polite imho.

Eugenics and racism is not science dipshits.

>>8645406
so show me a study that disproves the IQ gap. should be easy for a science man like yourself eh?

>>8645406
>statistical distributions of intelligence are non-scientific
i mean this is getting ridiculous, you can claim to not like it but to call it non-scientific just because it hurts your feelings?

Republican genocide when?

>>8645382
Sounds like a political problem, not one solved by throwing shame on the citizens in your country- who your retarded/mismanaged government allowed in. Go kill them if you want, you just need the gov behind you not some pseudo scientific study, paper can't kill but guns can. You just sound like a coward really or someone with low self esteem because of the bad economic/social events in Eurabia, you need to work on yourself instead of focusing on black people.

>>8645406
who cares? it's a good thread. move it to /trash/ then what's the difference?

>>8645406
The genetics of intelligence is as scientific a question as it gets. But because it makes people uncomfortable it should be a banned topic? You truly are a faithful disciple of modern PC academia.

>>8645413
>Go kill them if you want
>>8645379
>Do you want us to kill all the blacks because they aren't as bright?
you're literally the only one advocating for this racial genocide fantasy here, why do you keep bringing it up as if it's what anyone else is talking about?

>>8645412
and now for a real map.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2014/06/11/whats-your-states-average-iq-new-map-purports-to-have-the-answer/
Notice anything about the blue states? Really makes you think huh?

>>8645411
Holy shit, are you kidding me? Did you not read what the man said?

You can't just throw numbers around and have them mean anything, you have to control for phenomena which can distort the numbers but also- you NEED reliable numbers in the first place. The Bell Curve is not a text that is peer reviewed so it IS NOT SCIENCE.

>>8645415
>>8645411
why exactly did you both just assume his feelys were hurt?

>>8645181

Isn't this the second thread you guys make today about this?

Anyways...

You have to go back.

>>>/pol/

>>8645404

Because the points you made have been addressed over and over again.
Even adjusting for income and other factors the difference in IQ remain.
Deep inside you, you know black people are less intelligent (on average) than whites. You just don't have the balls to admit it to yourself.
People like you are weak and a major reason why science is in decline.

>>8645416
Holy god damn you people are thick

You say niggers are dumb, you can't even read English you fuckwit

>>8645415

That's not what you are discussing. You are discussing pseudo-science pulled directly out of your asshole.

What pisses me off is that all the shit that you wipe out is motivated by very transparent hate and arrogance.

And then we are supposed to bend over and be Beta as fuck as you smear your diarrhea everywhere?

I don't know what kind of scientists you have been interacting with you, but they must have been pussies or extremely naive to entertain a chat with you.

>>8645420
>it hurts me fee-fee's so i can't discuss it
Fuck off.

>>8645200

>So the liberal/leftist position...

Stop.

You keep mentioning these words, calling everybody who disagrees with you a leftists... that's a very narrow and childish view of the world.

>>8645419
because the post
>contributed nothing to the thread
>made unbased claims about scientificness
>call for deletion
>unnecesssary vulgarity
>random 'dipshits' insult

>>8645423
show me who else is talking about racial genocide here other than you

i'll wait

>>8645425

Theres a place for such threads.

And that is /pol/

Here you go senpai.

>>>/pol/

>>8645425

>>8645415
>>8645411
there it is again why why are you assuming his feelings are hurt? he never said anything that would imply that

>>8645405
Darwin is introducing how he is surprised by the aesthetic variation in races DESPITE the fact we are basically the same. In a later chapter he concludes:

"We have thus far been baffled in all our attempts to account for the differences between the races of man; but there remains one important agency, namely Sexual Selection, which appears to have acted as powerfully on man, as on many other animals. I do not intend to assert that sexual selection will account for all the differences between the races. An unexplained residuum is left, about which we can in our ignorance only say, that as individuals are continually born with, for instance, heads a little rounder or narrower, and with noses a little longer or shorter, such slight differences might become fixed and uniform, if the unknown agencies which induced them were to act in a more constant manner, aided by long-continued intercrossing. Such modifications come under the provisional class, alluded to in our fourth chapter, which for the want of a better term have been called spontaneous variations. Nor do I pretend that the effects of sexual selection can be indicated with scientific precision"

Educate your fucking self my man.

>>8645417
>IQ measured by tweets
Haha you're funny anon, if we were doing that then Trump would have the IQ of a 6th grader.
https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2016/march/speechifying.html

>>8645431
>no refutation
>hurr durr go back to /pol/
sounds about right

>>8645423
>You say niggers are dumb
why are you bringing in racial slurs now? again you're literally the only one using them

>>8645432

It's the thought process of pol-tards and frog posters.

Hence why they don't belong on sci. Until now everything looks pretty standard. Next thing he will be calling us lib cucks (or some other buzzword).

>>8645421
>Even adjusting for income and other factors the difference in IQ remain.
You keep saying that and I keep refuting it. Read the thread.

>>8645432
>there it is again why why are you assuming his feelings are hurt? he never said anything that would imply that
obviously he did which is why all the different people replied the same way to his post

pretending you can't see it doesn't elevate your stance at all friend

These statistics are outdated. The most updated ones indicate that the gap has nearly closed (down to about a 7-point margin).

I'm not a leftist, but I also refute attempts to make sweeping claims based off of single studies which don't even begin to control for the many confounding variables.

I'm a black person raised with conservative values by white people, and I was valedictorian of my high school class, I graduated with honors from an Ivy League university in STEM, I've solved open problems in my field, and I'm currently one of only a few living experts in my research area (a segment of cryptography).

>>8645438
my though process is ultra-egalitarianism is not fucking rooted in reality, and no one has proven me wrong so far.

>>8645440
Nope, see this
>>8645330

>>8645423
your kind isnt welcome in this thread bud. let the whites with higher iqs discuss what we'll do with the niggers based on this information.

>>8645446

>I believe the moon is made of cheese and no one has proven me wrong.

Racism is basically the same thing as religion.

Believing one thing is better based on inadequate evidence.

>>8645457
Income =/= SES. And that's a chart, not a study.

>>8645461
> religion.
>Believing one thing is better based on inadequate evidence.

its extremely clear you're not religious and have no concept of it

>>8645461
its not the same thing when religion has no basis for reality and there are thousands of study that show intelligence differences between races

>>8645464

Thats cool.

I just thought you might want to learn something. I guess I was wrong about that too.

>>8645463
Please tell me you are not a jew, I want pol not to be right

>>8645461
>inadequate evidence

it's no secret that the average nigger is dumber than the average white. i don't need a chart to show me that.

@8645446

And the response was that you clearly need to go back.

>>>/pol/

>>8645470
i wasnt the person you were replying to, i just wanted to point out that you shouldn't speak on a subject you're completely uneducated about, especially one as complex as religious belief

>>8645475
yesss keep making the /pol/ bogeyman grow

>>8645469

Why is perceived intelligence so important to you? There are mass murderers with higher scores than anyone you have ever met.

Daily reminder that these people been at this the whole day.

Sad!

>>8645181

Okay, let's try a different route.

You are right OP. Now can you please get the fuck off this board?

No one else is interested in this garbage except yourself.

No, joke, I think you will have a lot more fun on this website with like minded people,

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/

>>8645480
Higher national IQ leads to less crime more geniuses per capita therefore more scientific/technologic progress

>>8645472
I'm not but I don't get what you're saying or how it's relevant.

>>8645484
>Now can you please get the fuck off this board?
you're the one espousing anti-science views and being closeminded, perhaps you should be the one leaving

>>8645482
only a two hour old thread. fucking weak.

Sad!

>>8645484
Say with me: black people are as intelligent as whites.
All statistics are made up by racist rednecks who don't know math.

>>8645195
You heard it here first folks

Sam Harris solved NP completeness.

P DOES infact = NP in morally iffy situations

>>8645474

Hey man, i couldn't have said it any better myself.

Dumb means: temporarily unable or unwilling to speak. Sounds like oppression to me. Civil rights was like 50 years ago. Think about what that means for the new generation of black people who supposedly aren't oppressed.

>>8645476
I'm not replying to posts with funny images.

>>8645491
>All statistics are made up by racist rednecks who don't know math.
pretty sure they're made by statisticians and scientist. you're retarded anon.

>>8645488
Because you are specious and legalistic.

>>8645484
You can just click "hide" on the thread.

>>8645497
>pretty sure they're made by statisticians and scientist. you're retarded anon.

But they show black people as less intelligent, how can that be? IT must be racist mathematics!

>>8645181
Blacks have a lower iq spread because they tend to be poorer, not because their skin is black. Obviously there are still high iq blacks just less common

>>8645195
If we find out that white people are actually less intelligent than black people, wouldn't you be interested in developing gene therapy to fix it?

>>8645493
that's interesting as fuck. makes me think of the meaning of the word dumbass.

let me reiterate;
>it's no secret that the average nigger is stupider than the average white.

i was not implying that blacks are oppressed, that ended in the 60's.

>>8645510
Those studies already find that white people are less intelligent than Asians and Jews.

>>8645195
>taboos in science

And scientists wonder why people don't trust them anymore

>>8645493
>Dumb means: temporarily unable or unwilling to speak. Sounds like oppression to me. Civil rights was like 50 years ago. Think about what that means for the new generation of black people who supposedly aren't oppressed.
who was oppressing the blacks before they came to america?

>>8645512

>i was not implying that blacks are oppressed, that ended in the 60's.

>that ended in the 60's.

So then you think 100% of Americans support Donald Trump. Because he took the presidential office in 2017. Okay.

>>8645518
>who was oppressing the blacks before they came to america?

Read gun germs and steel, the book is an eye opener

>>8645500

like, what does >>8645491 even mean? racism is the cause of black people having lower iqs?

LOL A PSEUDO INTELLECTUAL FIGHT FOR WHO IS THE BOTTOM RACE FOR INTELLIGENCE - FITTING

>>8645526
......what the actual fuck are you talking about anon?

>>8645275
This guys get it. If only we could kick low-IQ people out of my country, rather than just African immigrants.

>>8645532

It means that you are so dumb that you are arguing with stormfags that are making the same argument as you.

That's how dumb you are.

Think about it....if you can...

>>8645498
I don't think you belong here.

>>8645533 look at >>8645474
not psuedo-science, just observing and commentating.

>>8645538

That guy and you are two rational people who think that OP and these other stormfags are interested in science.

>>8645539
oh shit i just realized how bad i fell for that b8

yikes. i needa be more careful.

>>8645545
i honestly was looking for a study or book or something that disputed these IQ differences when adjusted for environment/upbringing. only thing i could find were "cultural differences"

>>8645299
Ok, now [citation needed]

>>8645181
>157 replies
why is /sci/ filled with idiots

>>8645544
>It means that you are so dumb that you are arguing with stormfags that are making the same argument as you.
>That's how dumb you are.
>Think about it....if you can...
ya I see it, and by the logic these fags are following then we should have a country of jews and asians. they can dig their own graves

>>8645372
>here, let me hand you a thing that doesn't exist
whoa

>>8645552
asians will be running almost every western nation soon, its already been happening for awhile. screencap this for 10-20 years

>>8645550
>>8645535

They think math and science = virtue.

>>8645550
The passion to educate the ignorant is too strong :( help me famalam.

>>8645552
>ya I see it, and by the logic these fags are following then we should have a country of jews and asians. they can dig their own graves

And people wonder why Trump won.

>>8645552
>we should have a country of jews and asians
no a country full of people with high iqs. if it's mainly jews and asians then so be it. im a jewish asian.

>>8645527
That book is actually pretty widely criticized, the whole thing is full of cherrypicked facts and historical holes.
Not saying it was genetics but guns germs & steel is shitty ass book.

>>8645552
>not wanting to import people with lower IQs means you want to replace your own people with people with higher IQ
leftists really love the strawman

>>8645333
Fuck off you unabashed faggot

>>8645555
Makes sense since they're actually working on real issues like renewable energy and technology in general. Meanwhile in America everyone is whining about being oppressed and shaking in fear about the "other".

>>8645567
So it's not enviroment then?
Bummer.

>>8645552
Even if other races have higher IQs the logical conclusion is not to purge all those people.

>>8645564

If you got rid of all the niggers, who would satisfy the high IQ women?

>>8645396
That raises an interesting question: do albini black people have the same IQ as white people?

>>8645586
Probably not

The one thing, more than anything else, that I cannot stand about these faggots is their fucking implicit declaration of ownership of things other people have done.
>white people invented [x]
No, 'white people' did not invent [x], A white person who was vastly more intelligent and talented than you did.

People who cling to racial ideologies are like people who talk about sports teams as if they're part of them.
>"We really whooped that other team's asses in that game!"
Oh, that's strange, I don't remember seeing you on the field at the time.
I, and the other successful white people I know, are successful because we're smart and hardworking (and had a few lucky breaks) - not because our skin happens to be within a specific range of tones.
You don't own any of my achievements, nor anyone else's. All you have is yourself which, evidently, must be pretty shit if the best thing about you is the melanin content of your visible dermis.
To be clear, if your race is all you have about yourself to be 'proud' of, that makes you a pathetic faggot.

Oh, and >inb4 m-muh black pride
For centuries you weren't allowed to even be okay with being black, society put you under its boot whenever it could.
'Black pride' is less "My skin colour is superior" and more "No one can make me feel bad any more for having the skin colour I do"

>>8645576
how many blacks and muslims are in china?

>>8645592
that shits plastic and clay

>>8645599
Are blacks and muslims forcing you to call science a hoax?

>>8645594
I've always hated this

>>8645405
For that matters, the samples used in the PCAs were not random samples of the whole humanity. So the holes you see are due to the fact that some regions were simply lacking from the data set. The cited papers were not even about the existence of human races so it's normal that the sample is unfit.
Tho I appreciate the effort that went into making this infographic.

>>8645594
no one is talking about individuals. we are talking about genetic populations of people. no one is talking about melanin either you fucking dolt. do you think skin color was the only difference that came with thousands of years of evolution in isolation from each other? like holy fuck straw man arguments.

>>8645594
I bet you get mad pussy

>>8645594
>unironically pushing the psuedoscientific view that race is just skin colour.
speaking about averages when addressing a population as a whole is not the same as claiming personal supremacy.
I also like how you pull these assumptions out when literally no one in this thread has said anything like you seem to think they have.

>>8645609
Do you even know what this thread is talking about? Name one genetic population.

>>8645609
>thousands of years of evolution in isolation from each other?

>muh purity

>>8645461
Proof that the moon is not made of cheese:
Jamie E. Elsila, Michael P. Callahan, Jason P. Dworkin, Daniel P. Glavin, Hannah L. McLain, Sarah K. Noble, Everett K. Gibson. The origin of amino acids in lunar regolith samples. Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, 2016; 172: 357 DOI: 10.1016/j.gca.2015.10.008

Your turn.

>>8645594
plus i'm not even white and i acknowledge they have contributed the most to civilization. no one here is arguing individual supremacy

>>8645606
The
>WE invented x
>WE
>WE
>WE
meme I mean.

>>8645610
The first half of what he said is 100% correct though. I can advocate for white nationalism when white identity is threatened but those that just drone on and on about inherent superiority are fucking hicks 9/10 times.

>>8645594

Couldn't have said it better.

But none of these people will get it.

>>8645181

I know what you are talking about OP. White people are definitely superior to black people, and it has been scientifically proven over and over again.

These libcuks cherrypick science.

>>8645617
???. its a fucking historical fact europeans evolved in pretty much isolation from sub-saharan africa

>>8645594
White people invented western civilization, nuclear fusion, rocketry, engines, sanitation, modern medicine, the scientific method, and philosophy. This was not the work of a single white person, but many white people working together.

Blacks really don't have much to be proud of, by the 1700's their entire population was still savage neolithic warring tribes, all of the blacks outside of Africa at the time were sold as property by their own people. But hey, they invented peanut butter, amirite?!!!

>>8645624
So what have you done?

@8645624

Entirely missing the point.

Thats why you have to go back. You just cant get out of the same train of thought loop.

>>>/pol/

/sigh/

>>8645628
quit making this fucking argument. NO ONE IS ASSERTING INDIVIDUAL SUPREMACY IN THIS THREAD. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GROUPS OF PEOPLE NOT INDIVIDUALS.

>>8645620
>I can advocate for white nationalism when white identity is threatened but those that just drone on and on about inherent superiority are fucking hicks 9/10 times.

I'm not saying you should chant USA USA USA 24/7, but national (racial) pride and ethnocentrism increases your fitness, evolutionarily speaking. White people are among the least ethnocentric people (see pathological altruism) and are prone to get fucked in the ass by more ethnocentric populations.

The guy above is completely clueless.

T. guy who's been there done that.

>>8645628
Well, I haven't posted a red herring!

>>8645632
So what has your immediate family done? Anything beyond your grandparents has been dilluted to the point of irrelevence.

>>8645639
strawman that has nothing to do with the initial assertion and whole point of the topic.

>>8645635
I know about pathological altruism, fellow /pol/ crossposter. I just don't see how inbreds calling people inferior on the basis of skin color is defendable. Pay attention to who uses "WE INVENTED/ BUILT/ FIXED/ etc". Even prominent white identitarians avoid it because it's pretty much code for "I'm a fucking loser". Pay attention to who's using it.

>>8645624

George Washington Carver! And they say we ain't smart.

>>8645648
i haven't seen anyone use it except for the people using it to straw man saying "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE HUH HUH HUH"

>>8645248
>people treat black children differently just because their adoptive parents are white

>>8645648
>Pay attention to who's using it.

The same people who elected Trump.

>>8645636
And how is talking about things with a generational gap greater than 3 generations anything but a red herring? You share approximately 1/16 of the gene pool of any great grandparent, is that something to be proud of?

>>8645636
>>8645644
Fallacies fallacy, can't address the actual argument?

>>8645660
why would i care about that fucking argument when it has no relevance to the original topic, WHY BLACKS HAVE LOWER IQ THAN WHITES/OTHER RACES EVEN WHEN ADJUSTING FOR ENVIRONMENT/POVERTY/ETC.

i'm not talking about white vs. black historical achievements so why would i care about that argument

>>8645660
I did, and then I was asked what I had done. I'm not dumb enough to argue against a fallacy.

>>8645667
Ah yes, the typical emotional ranting of a sub 100 IQ /pol/tard when they know their best argument is as weak as the accomplishments they've done with their lives.

>>8645667
>WHY BLACKS HAVE LOWER IQ THAN WHITES/OTHER RACES EVEN WHEN ADJUSTING FOR ENVIRONMENT/POVERTY/ETC.

Genes

>>8645672
keep dodging the original assertion bro.

The official "liberal" position is that because of poor health, education, culture the gap exists.

According to science while culture and education can help alleviate the gap. Only proper health has the potential solve the issue since it is undisputed fact that iodine deficiency especially during the prenatal stage can cause mental retardation and reduce IQ by nearly a standard deviation.

Now obviously mate selection has a lot to do with IQ too but at least with African Americans and some Carribbean blacks their IQ is slowly rising beyond the 80-85 average due isolation from lower IQ populations in Africa and better diets.

>>8645679
Not an argument.

>>8645203
Africans are worse than black americans though, you just never see the average apefrican because genetic outliers make it to America, but the subhumans can be found in Europe creating hellholes due to that refugee stuff.

>>8645680
West Indian NigQ is in the low 70s its the same IQ as some african countries considering that West Indians are almost 100 percent nigger.

>>8645684
>i'm mad because no one is falling for my un-winnable argument about personal achievements in a debate about racial IQ differences
go back to /mlp/

>>8645648
How can you post on /sci/ and be this stupid?

/pol/lacks dont give a shit about white achievements they just use it as a way to objectively prove black people are subhuman compared to white people idiot.

>>8645685

You tell them brother! These monkey niggers are shoved down our throat through FAKE NEWS!!!! That's why people like you and me are sticking it to the man and taking as much welfare as we can get! Take that government! Hail Trump!

>>8645680
pretty much all sub saharan africans in the new world are also mixed at this point. rhianna is from barbados and she has light eyes.

in fact, in shitcongo it's almost more common to see mixed blacks with light colored eyes than it is """white""" americans.

@8645696

>/pol/lacks dont give a shit about white achievements ...

You and I both know that's bullshit.

>>8645691
nice strawman

>>8645696
>objectively prove black people are subhuman compared to white people

I hate this. If people just used the word 'MOST', then I'd be fine with the statement.

>MOST black people are subhuman compared to MOST white people
fixed

>>8645722
>subhuman
kys

>>8645722
>most
Fuck off I dont care about Deshawn in Harvard I care about his 20 million feral savage brothers in North America. and his 900 million feral savage cousins in Africa.

If black people are so fucking smart why do they make hellholes where they exist huh?

Why cant they ever invent shit without white education systems huh?

Why were they constantly enslaved by North Africans then Middle Easterners huh?

Why do they constantly fail in any educational system even the ONES IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES huh?

Face it niggers are wild humans they are not supposed to be here, their brain is programmed for anarchistic savagery in african wilderness and no social programs of yours will undo 60,000 years of evolution.

>>8645724
That word is pretty retarded, since it technically isn't used correctly.

I'm black and I said MOST. If I was some idiot from pol, I would've phrased my question without any adjective, so what I said was factual with respect to the informal term "subhuman".

>>8645734
>Im black
Now it makes sense, your a nigger thats why you cant understand because you are automatically programmed to see the animal behavior of your own kind as "perfectly normal sane behavior".

>>8645730
>If black people are.... OWN COUNTRIES huh?

I don't know and I don't care. I'm just adding that using the term MOST is more factual.

>Face it niggers are wild humans they are not supposed to be here

Why do you types get so aggressive, I was partially agreeing with you, except for your absolute phrasing.

I'm black and I'm not stupid, retarded or savage. This invalidates your worldview.

anyone who acts like this is settled science one way or the other is being intellectually dishonest.

There is literally no consensus for why there is a gap.

>>8645741
Can you read? >I said MOST

>to see the animal behavior of your own kind as "perfectly normal sane behavior".
Where did you get this from my post? I was partially agreeing with you and you attacked me. God your dumb.

>>8645412
my state of Wisconsin was red, Nigger update your shitty resolution image or delete it

>>8645730

You tell them boy! Hail Trump! White supremacy! Gas the Jews!

>>8645780
how much did you get paid for that post, you fucking retard?

>>8645780
I know you're being facetious, but people like him should legitimately kill themselves.

>>8645787
t. nigger.

>>8645746

Don't try to talk to them. There is a very, very, very good chance that they are just trolls.

And, if they are not trolls, then that means that they have IQs around 100, have only met white people, and fear/hate anyone who is not white.

>>8645765

Why do you keep pretending to be black?

While I believe that there are notable discrepancies in inheritable traits that go beyond skin color with ethnic groups, I find it upsetting that people use this as a justification to disregard their morality.

Having high levels of intelligence isn't as ideal as many people make it out to be. Schizophrenia, depression, drug abuse, and poor social abilities correlatively increase with one's IQ. Being wicked smart does not intrinsically mean you are more valuable to society, rather it all depends on one's ability to apply that intelligence in a contributing manner. Just as a genius can do wonders for humanity, they can also fuck it up to an equal extent.

>>8645787
>>8645782

Awe man! The mods didn't like my post. It got deleted.

>>8645790
>people like him should legitimately kill themselves
You're inferier.

>>8645792
It's just really annoying. I know they're not trolls because I know people that act like this. Usually in the bottom or low middle of their classes with no academic extracurriculars, but they're somehow better than the successful student that's a different race.

>>8645793
GENERALLY white people are smarter than black people. How does stating this make me not black. The same is true for Asian-Americans and whites,

>>8645818
so would you undergo forced sterilizations

>>8645854
No, I wouldn't.

>>8645818
>It's just really annoying. I know they're not trolls because I know people that act like this. Usually in the bottom or low middle of their classes with no academic extracurriculars, but they're somehow better than the successful student that's a different race.

I don't think it is a coincidence that they are near the bottom.

That's how pathetic they are. They have nothing to be proud of, so the best they can come up with is their skin color. My thoughts are that it is cognitive dissonance.

If you were a failure by all measures, then would you commit suicide? Or would you join the bandwagon and take up any means possible to feel slightly better about yourself?

I know these people exist in real life, but /sci/ seems to be crawling with shitty versions of anarchists that try to make people mad just for the hell of it.

>>8645869
the only people derailing the thread making it about racial achievement is you and your cronies. at least the black guy admitted that the intelligence difference exists. you keep going back to your strawman bait because can't fathom something being contradictory to your world view.

>>8645248

Kids naturally associate with kids that are like them. Adopted black kids associate with nigglets and pick up their bad habits.

>>8645181
Thoughts on pic related?

>>8645886
If you haven't realized from the replies to that post, you're not allowed to think about it. Or look up the study to get the whole story. Completely rational explanations are all invalid compared to the almighty chart.

>>8645869
>If you were a failure by all measures, then would you commit suicide? Or would you join the bandwagon and take up any means possible to feel slightly better about yourself?

I'd definitely kill myself. Last semester, I put my 'A' chemistry exam in the 'B' pile and was graded accordingly. I was legitimately thinking about dropping out of college and killing myself. I wouldn't be able to feel better about myself by bandwagoning because I wouldn't actually be doing anything.

>>8645876
The thread was already going downhill. I just ruined it by
>bringing up my race
>triggering some kid
>inadvertently turning the thread into me and some other posters vs. triggered kid
>further turning it into my personal blog with this post

>>8645890
AYYO AYYO HOL' UP
*SMACKS LIPS*
SO YOU BE SAYIN'
*GRABS CROTCH*
WE WUZZ GENIUSSSESSS AND SHIEETTTTTT

>>8645920
kill yourself, my man

>>8645181
so?

>>8645281
the fuck are you on

>>8645195
Fuck Sam Harris.

And if we're DEBATING something (ie, qualitative), you can make an argument about that which I would still disagree with. Things need to be hashed out.

But if you're implying that something in science shouldn't be worked on and investigated because of whatever the social climate is, fuck.you. Get the fuck off my board you god damn pussy.

>>8645592

They look more chimp-like when they're white lol.