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Why is it so taboo to even imply that one race is smarter than another? I mean they'll say that 60,000 years of evolutionary divergence had no impact but 400 years of slavery and 'oppression' made all the difference in the world

>> No.8543720

how do you accurately measure intelligence? And don't say IQ unless you want to be laughed at.

>> No.8543721

>>8543720
How about 'the ability to not live in mud huts and die of starvation en masse unless another race sends you air drops of rice and beans'

>> No.8543722

>>8543721
Ha

>> No.8543725

>>8543711
"Race" is a group with a lot of people in it. Generally the more people you have in a group, the more stupid people you have in a group. Try to worry your mind with less stupid issues

>> No.8543726

>>8543721
northern europe used to look like that in ancient times, and if it wasnt for the romans it probably still would. today those "barbarians" actually see themself as the most superior race. the most ironic thing, really.

>> No.8543730

>>> /pol/

>> No.8543732

>>8543726
>Used to look like that

>used to

And humans used to resemble bonobos.
>>8543725
But the percentage of stupid people doesn't go up on average. That's why you gauge mean and median. Wealthy blacks do worse academically than poor whites

>> No.8543734

>>8543711

What's even the point of deciding which race is smarter?

>> No.8543738

>>8543734
>What's even the point in discerning because hot chocolate and hot diarrhea?

Wasting time and resources on retards only stifles progress

>> No.8543744

>>8543732
>used to
If a population is genetically superior, it makes sense that they'd have better living standards throughout their history no? Yet we see the East flourishing in arts and sciences during a time in which Western European nations disposed of human waste by throwing it out into the street.

>> No.8543747

>>8543734
whats the point of willfully denying reality? Because reality might hurt someones feelings? Because your religion is based on "equality" ?

Why are liberals willing to destroy all western civilizations over their cultish beliefs?

>> No.8543748

>>8543738

Then we agree, there's no point in doing it.

>> No.8543757

>>8543747

I'm not denying anything. I'm asking what's the point of it.

>> No.8543758

>>8543744
Asians are more intelligent than Caucasians but blacks are at the bottom of the barrel

>> No.8543760

>>8543711
Personally I think there is nothing wrong with saying that certain groups over- or underperform at certain things.
However, when you say one race is smarter than another, you imply that it's an intrinsic property of the race rather than outside influences.

Positions in society are highly inheritable, i.e. if your father was a doctor you're more likely to become a doctor as well.
Not even two generations ago your chances of visiting an university when you're black were pretty shitty.
Therefore it is not surprising that the black population alive today hasn't caught up yet.

Also it's important to remember that the 'research' on controversial sociological issues such as race, gender, or porn is almost always of very poor quality.

>> No.8543766

>>8543711
There's far more variation among individuals than races.
Just like gender and athletics.
The worlds fastest people are men.
Over a dozen men have run a 4 minute mile, and even the high school record is 3:53.43, but the women's world record is 4:12.56.
Does that mean I'm a faster runner than OP's mom?

>> No.8543767

>>8543758
>Asians are more intelligent than Caucasians
You wouldn't think that by looking at a nation like The Philippines.
The point is that nations rise and fall with time, their current or past state cannot be used as a reasonable indicator of intelligence given the wide array of factors that influence it.

>> No.8543769

>>8543766
Nearly your entire post is talking about averages, you then talk about an individual

>> No.8543773

>>8543769
>Nearly your entire post is talking about averages, you then talk about an individual
That's my point.
Glad to see you can keep up.
>>8543766
>There's far more variation among individuals than races.

>> No.8543777

>>8543769
Oh, and no, I'm talking about extremes, not averages.

>> No.8543783

>>8543760
>Also it's important to remember that the 'research' on controversial sociological issues such as race, gender, or porn is almost always of very poor quality.
Reminds me of how a sociology textbook I was flipping through said lesbian parents were better at raising kids because gender stereotypes were lower according to this one research in a small canadian town.

>> No.8543785

>>8543773
But there's not, especially when talking about intelligence. Both the white and asian averages are higher than the black averages. There's going to be more difference between a random white person and a random black person than two random white people or two random black people

>> No.8543787

>>8543711
It's not taboo if you tell the truth and not involve politics.

When you say Asians are smarter than whites what you are referring to is AVERAGE IQ scores as well as other similar metrics - this doesn't mean you are allowed to not judge white people on individual basis - far more reliable than probabilistically inferring who's who - then we'd just have Asians.

These averages shouldn't necessarily affect policy - we are already trying to build a society where the smartest people (read the guys with the best alleles if you think that) end up filtered away from the rest and succeeding, at least that's the idea.

It literally has 0 implications.

>> No.8543790

>>8543785
There's going to be an enormous difference between a high class and a low class white person. Same for a black person. It's okay to not like sociology but there's no point in just straight up denying the fact that social position greatly influences your intelligence. That's the whole thing about the "IQ spectrum". If you were sent to a third world country just after being born I guarantee your IQ would be more than 20 points lower than now.

>> No.8543792

>>8543785
>But there's not,
There's not what?
More variation between individuals than races?

>>8543785
>There's going to be more difference between a random white person and a random black person than two random white people or two random black people
This doesn't disprove my statement.
The bell curves overlap quite a bit.
The dumbest white man is dumber than the smartest black man.
Also: does it bother you not to use words like "shitskin" when you post outside /pol/?

>> No.8543796

>ITT: i feel like my race is smarter than other races and people should acknowledge that to make me feel better even tho there's no proof my emotions are valid as facts

>> No.8543798
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>>8543726
LOL you are completely ignorant of history, aren't you?

>> No.8543799

>>8543796
"smart" refers to an individual

>> No.8543802

>>8543792
>The dumbest white man is dumber than the smartest black man.

Again, we're talking about averages. You keep going off on tangents about either end of the curve

>> No.8543803

>>8543711
Ive often wondered this myself. Clearly not all races are created equal. Why do you think the NBA and NFL are mostly black? Its because in africa survival of the fittest meant running faster that the guy who became jaguar food. Why do you think the vast majority of scientists engineers and mathematicians are Asian or Caucasian? Its because where they come from survival of the fittest means overcoming environmental challenges that you cant fix by being athletic. As far as im concerned if you believe all races are equal in every area, you dont believe in evolution. Watch all of /sci/ tell me im wrong because it hurts their feelings.

>> No.8543807

>>8543711
Its taboo because once you accept this fact, the next step is to start acting on this information. That's fine if it just affects your internal thoughts, but when you start treating people different because of their skin, that's definition racism (not the SJW type of racism). I don't need to explain to you why racism is bad do I? Its better to just avoid the subject and let everyone carry on with their lives, instead of stirring up a pointless shitstorm.

>> No.8543813

>>8543732
It comes back to the problem of how to measure intelligence. You cant get a very defined idea because intelligence is very elastic. Everything we know is that lifestyle, upbringing, habits, exercise, etc, have much bigger effects. Races are diverse themselves, you're better off referring to specific genes. And we don't know enough about that yet to figure it out. Genes are complicated. Gene regulation even more so, since it relates to all those other factors I listed.

>> No.8543818

>>8543802
Not that Anon but I strongly suspect you've never had an university level statistics course.
The argument is that the difference is averages is insignificant compared to the variance.

Hyperbally speaking 100+-20 isn't all that different to 101+-20.

>> No.8543822

>>8543720
why? Iq is a great low-resolution measure of the ability to extrapolate patterns, i.e. relationships.

and it is by spotting and extrapolating relationships that we're able to understand the world around us and thereby manipulate the world to benefit us.
This is literal mental problem solving and what IQ measures.

the funny thing is you clearly do believe in IQ.
if you were to given 100 people who had just been tested with IQs from 70-80 and 100 people who had just been tested with IQs from 120-130, which group do you think would make the better doctors, layers, engineers?
exactly the group with Iqs from 120 -130.

And yes different races have different mean IQs.
ashkenazi jews have a mean IQ of 108-115 and there is evidence that this is due ot their genes. See the paper "a natural history of ashkenazi intelligence " by Cochrane et al.

by contrast non-jewish europeans have a mean IQ of around 100 while ssubsaharan africans have a mean IQ of 80-85 (when measured in western , 1st world countries like america).

>> No.8543829

>>8543818
But it's 85 +-20 vs 100 +-20

>> No.8543832

>>8543829
https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2015/02/state-iq-estimates-blacks-only-2013.html

https://anepigone.blogspot.com/2015/02/state-iq-estimates-whites-only-2013.html

as far as i can understand the guy who made these calculation is in support of your pov, even tries to explain away results below in the article

>> No.8543838

IQ is pseudo scientific psychology bullshit and none of it can be trusted

Come back when neuroscience is advanced enough to answer this question

>> No.8543840

>>8543721
>be me
>central African
>have diverse city states and Petty kingdoms similar to late feudal Europe
>Europeans and Arabs begin raiding for slaves and raw materials
>eventually have my entire society destroyed by men with guns who enslave my people, redraw my borders, and change my economic mode from agrarian to extractive
>in the process they destroy whatever political/economic institutions that have developed and replace them with theirs, which are obviously not in my best interest
>hundreds of years later have to explain this to an obese American on a Ugandan underwater basket weaving website

>> No.8543847

>>8543840
>Get ransacked and raided for centuries by people with superior technology

>But, we're equal

Why do you think they never raided Mongolia or China for slaves?

>> No.8543848

>>8543802
>Again, we're talking about averages.
_You're_ talking about averages, sort of.
Your context implies you want people to make judgements about whole races when intelligence doesn't really group by race.
Men are taller than women (on average), but that doesn't mean all (or even most) tall people are men.

>> No.8543852

even IF this is correct - and desu I think a measured IQ has a lot to do with your lifestyle - what does it even fucking matter?
>we shud stop giving money to the dum people
right, how do you plan on carrying that out? proposing a genetic cleansing to congress? this shit is never going to accomplish a thing other than give neckbeard virgins something jack off their ego to

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>>8543803
>if you believe all races are equal in every area, you dont believe in evolution

>> No.8543856

>>8543829
First , when I say 'hyperbally speaking' I don't mean for you to take what comes next literally.

Second, when you analyse data the first thing you do is to account for any systematic effects, raw data like that will not allow you to actually make any meaningful conclusions.
And when you account for things like wealth and parenting the difference in averages goes down significantly.

>> No.8543860

>>8543852
>proposing a genetic cleansing to congress? this shit is never going to accomplish a thing other than give neckbeard virgins something jack off their ego to
Even stormfags don't dare propose that, because they want a race war, not an IQ war.

>> No.8543861

>>8543798
They were actually barbarians.
You can see it in the cartoon as well.

>> No.8543862

>>8543847
Distance and terrain? It's easier to transport large amounts of good via sea instead of overland, and China and Mongolia are farther away. Maybe if we're enslaving low iq folks we can start with you since you are clearly lacking in even the most basic critical thinking skills!

Also
>invent gun first
>therefore the master race with the divine right to conquer all "subhumans"

>> No.8543865

>>8543862
>invent gun first

>mud hut dwellers haven't even invented the wheel

>> No.8543868

>>8543861
>The Romans (technically themselves barbaroi) took up the word and applied it to tribes or nations which had no Greek or Roman accomplishments.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=barbarian

>> No.8543879

>>8543865
>technology is a linear progression
>Africans not using the wheel and instead relying on rivers to transport goods and people means they are idiots and not normal people making use of their surrounding resources.

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>>8543860
>Even stormfags don't dare propose that, because they want a race war, not an IQ war.

>> No.8543884

>>8543865
Anon, you should watch these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOmjnioNulo

>> No.8543886

>>8543879
>They're not dumb for not having invented the wheel..

>> No.8543892

>>8543886
>>They're not dumb for not having invented the wheel..
YOU didn't invent the wheel either.
Are you dumb?
See also:
>>8543799
>"smart" refers to an individual

>> No.8543893

>>8543860
heh, yeah that puts a different perspective on it. If we had a law to sterilize everyone below 100 IQ there would be a higher percentage of blacks and latinos getting it, but a far greater number of whites.
I wonder how many of the people who obsess over the average IQ difference between races are actually above average themselves.

>> No.8543898

>>8543893
>below 100 IQ
pointless
below 130 at the lowest, 2% of the population is people enough, there's too many people anyway

>> No.8543899

>>8543847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8
>The fittest, most resistant mutants were not always the fastest. They sometimes stayed behind weaker strains that braved the frontlines of higher antibiotic doses.

Humans are like this bacteria. Some are weak and stupid themselves, but have the advantage of being quick to move and can conquer more space faster. Just because one group conquered another group doesn't make them smarter or more fit.

>> No.8543904

>>8543898
Man I remember being 17

>> No.8543910

>>8543840
cuck

>> No.8543915

>>8543904
cuck

>> No.8543921

Although I agree that it's a shame that the question can't be objectively studied, there are some real reasons why it's not an accurate statement when simply looking at IQ disparities across races.

The reason is that IQ is correlated to the amount of abstract stimuli a child receives during development. Such as exposure to geometry puzzle toys, music, etc. The amount of white families in higher income brackets is higher than the amount of black families -- and the thought is that low-income households provide fewer abstract stimuli to their children; whether by not placing them in competitive school districts or engaging their children at home. Asians, the race with the highest IQ, place massive importance on starting children in STEM, music, art, etc. programs as early as possible. The modern answers to this question lie in meta-analyses of income brackets and the IQ of children within (rather than race), and we all know how /sci/ feels about those.


Aside from that, I'm sure heredity and therefore race influences cognitive potential -- but it's nearly impossible to study in a controlled way.

>> No.8543928

>>8543921
it's not about class or poverty, it's about culture as far as evnironemnt and IQ go, unless you are malnourished

>> No.8543929

>>8543921
cuck

>> No.8543938

>>8543928
>this whole thread is about bashing areas of the globe where famine is common
>indeed one poster (>>8543721) literally uses it as evidence of inferiority

But nah I'm sure it's culture you're right anon, we whites just have a naturally better culture.

>> No.8543943

why do you want to scientifically justify your bigotry?

>> No.8543945

>>8543928
That is likely a factor as well -- again, proving how hard it is to collect rigorous data about pure intelligence across races. Some cultures, like Asian cultures as I mentioned, are a good example of that.

>>8543929
Stay in /pol/ my man. This board is about science. Regardless of what you believe personally, there are currently no rigorous data to make you feel less insecure about yourself. Keep projecting if that helps.

>> No.8543954

>>8543921
You'd need to examine the outliers and look for specific differences in their DNA. Even so, by definition outlines poorly represent a races average. So using this technique on races is not accurate, but it might give novel insight.

>> No.8543959

>>8543921
yup, i've heard this fantasy from libs a few times

If only black parents SANG to their children, or had toys... then black people would be equal.

Just more willful denial of reality

>> No.8543968

>>8543954
Good point. I also wonder if there's an epigenetic force at play -- which your general method could elucidate. Something like: child receives high frequency of abstract stimuli --> gene expression is altered to favor the cognitive load (through neurochemistry or neurological architecture) --> child becomes "smarter." Higher order brain functions are biochemically expensive. Given what we're learning about epigenetics now, I wouldn't be surprised if there is an adaptive system to match cognition to environmental needs. And since epigenetic modifications are conserved, it could provide insight into hereditary intelligence.

>>8543959
You need to reread my post. I never said all races were equal, nor did I imply that they could be made equal through the stuff I mentioned. I was making a point about the downfalls of trying to correlate IQ solely to the cognitive ability of one race of people. Regardless of your social politics, if you respect the scientific process then my point is irrefutable.

>> No.8543977

>>8543968
>And since epigenetic modifications are conserved
they're not though,most often

>> No.8543982

>>8543711

you don't take into account that our view of our race is contemporary. Go back thousands of years, what different races showed for themselves would have been very different. you're assuming that what its like now has always been like that.

>>8543769

anyone who says this doesn't understand what statistics means.

>>8543720

well what if you say Races have different IQ's and IQ is a big predictor of performance in many categories. what about that?

>>8543747

why are you so willing to push statements that are hugely lacking in evidence or unequivocal backing.

>>8543766
these are not actually arguments.

>>8543803
common and purely speculative (mis)use of evolution in an argument. Completely unsupported.

>>8543818
if those studies found significant results then your issue would be taken account of. whether the studies are representative, valid or reliable is different question though.

>> No.8543987

>>8543977
I remember reading that some languages produce sounds that you're brain is incapable of hearing, unless you hear the sound at a young age. These languages are incapable of learning as an adult because you'll never be able to hear the sounds necessary. It's possible that with out stimulation of certain abstract thoughts the brain can't learn to process it even as an adult.

With that in mind I think I think feral children can give us insight into this. In fact a good test for which race is more intelligence is to take a bunch of kids and toss them to the wolves. Then once they become old enough try to reeducate them and introduce them into society. The smart ones will be able to adapt to society better. Do this enough times and average the results and it'll tell you which race is the most intelligent.

>> No.8543988

>>8543977
Yeah it's disputed in most cases -- still a very young field. The ones I've studied are; typically methylations and certain histone mods. Gotta be careful making absolute statements. My gut feeling (might not count for much) is that certain modifications, ones that fill immediate needs, are not conserved. These immediate mods are probably the most numerous and not passed to offspring. Versus more vital modifications such as endocrine response elements that are conserved almost without fail -- I'm imagining some epigenetic change to influence brain functions would be conserved.

>> No.8543991

>>8543968

You're poking in the dark.

>> No.8543999

>>8543991
Gotta start somewhere. That's why I like /sci/. I get to float my crackpot theories anonymously. Can't do it at work.

>> No.8544002

>>8543987

thats actually such an unnecessary test ha. not even a good one.

>> No.8544004

>>8543803
>Why do you think the NBA and NFL are mostly black?
Because poor people have to take a shot at sports. Black succesful athletes like Lebron James serve as a further inspiration for poor black young men to aim and thus the cycle is perpetuated. Meanwhile, richer people (and obviously, statistically more likely to be white) have access to more stable and safe careers.

>> No.8544006

Any Asians here?

How does it feel to be from the smartest race?

How do you feel about the fact that the white supremacy movement has been desperately trying to bring light to the fact that yours is the superior race?

>> No.8544009

>>8543945
cuck

>> No.8544011

>>8543711
It's okay for a dog to be stupid. People love stupid dogs. It is not okay for a human to be stupid. They have very hard time to be useful in the modern society. Therefore it hurts peoples' feelings when you call a human or a group of humans stupid. Therefore they're okay with you calling a group of dogs stupid, but get their panties in a bunch when you call a group of humans stupid.

>> No.8544015

>>8543840
>things that never happened

>> No.8544019

>>8543726
Northern Europe has never received any developing aid in the last 4.5 billion years. Northern Europe was barren and devoid of population in Roman times, because the nature is so incredibly harsh up there. And due to the lack of population there were obviously not great empires there, only small tribes. Comparing northern Europe to Africa is so stupid that you actually made me lose some faith in humanity. Northern Europe is great because of the seemingly endless ingenuity of humans. Africa is a shithole despite that ingenity AND a nature more rich than anything people in Northern Europe could ever hope for. You're a sad excuse for a person to browse /sci/.

>> No.8544020

>>8543840
I wonder how the Arabs managed to enslave Africans when they couldn't do the same to western Europe. And do keep in mind that they did indeed manage to enslave Eastern Europe and Africa is far far far far bigger than Europe. Slavery was insignificant in comparison to the sheer size of Africa.

>> No.8544022

>>8544019
>Northern Europe has never received any developing aid in the last 4.5 billion years.
hmmm
>Northern Europe was barren and devoid of population in Roman times, because the nature is so incredibly harsh up there.
no, having 4 seasons is the best environment for agriculture, the soil in northenr europe is much better than the soil in africa

europe's geography is without dispute easier to live in than africa's - 2 seaons simply fucking suck

>> No.8544030

>>8544022
>europe's geography is without dispute easier to live in than africa's - 2 seaons simply fucking suck
That's so insanely stupid. Damn. Did you know that 4 seasons means that nothing grows for 75 % of the year? In winter even drinking water is solid. You have sun for about 6 hours a day. Even less in the northern parts.

Passing out outside is lethal for about 6 months of the year. It's extremely hard to walk around for about 3. Everything is dead for at least 6.

It's so ridiculously much easier to live in most parts of Africa. Your ignorance is astounding. Modern Siberia is uninhabited which should be a clue to how harsh the nature is, Africa is full of people, butt apparently this is too hard for you to understand. Please tell me you haven't had a European education, because that would be just sad.

>> No.8544040

>>8544030
4 seasons beats 2 seasons, because 2 seasons implies a lot of rain - humus is washed away - bad soil -> no good crop species

4 seasons means you get a real spring and summer (fruit), autumn -> year long sustainable harvest is collected as long as you put seeds

yeah winter has it's negatives, because it's cold, but meat lasts longer in the cold, can be stored

The coldest winters are not in northern europe due to gulfstream and ocean effects, the coldest winters are in the inner continent due to being inner continental climate and it's not Siberia tier either

The vast vast majority of africa is either 2 seasons or desert

>> No.8544043

>>8544015
>I haven't opened a history book since high school: the post

>> No.8544049

>>8544040
Good god you are retarded. Do tell me, why is it that the norther you go, the less people there live? If it's so nice there, shouldn't everyone live north? Why is it that African countries have such population densities despite their technology being a century behind Europe? Why was the north so empty during Roman times? Shouldn't Rome have started there? Why is the agricultural output of Northern Europe so tiny despite their four great seasons? Why did the northern Europeans develop such intelligent brains when they clearly didn't need them due to their favourable environment? Why are Africans so dumb despite them needing all the intelligence you can have due to the harsh environment? Why is the biodiversity so much greater in Africa than it is in Northen Europe? Is nature racist? Why do so many more animals live in Africa than in Europe. Nature still racist?

You are beyond hope. You are not worth any more of my time. You are unable to see the simplest of logic. You have not gotten a European education. You have not gotten education of any kind.

>> No.8544057

>>8544049
Ironically if you ever opened a damn history book or thought for two seconds without having the answer already formulated you would easily be able to answer all of the questions you posed

>> No.8544065

>>8544049
>Do tell me, why is it that the norther you go, the less people there live?
Because the best climate in Europe is in Southern Europe, because that's where the best agriculture developed due to best soil, best crops, also why the earliest civilizations started there etc.
In spite of the Balkans having worse winters than Denmark.

Northern Europe is too 2-season like due to the ocean - cool summer, mild winter, their soil is crap too in comparison to southern europe - only good for potatoes and much of the agriculture product doesn't actually go to feed humans but pigs that then feed the humans.

Go read some geography instead of opening /pol/ next time, will help clear a few things out for you.

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>>8544043
i know you've read a history book. it shows.

>> No.8544084

>>8543711
/pol/ please stop with all the fucking race baiting threads all the time. FUCK OFF. WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

>> No.8544088

>>8543807
This post is correct. So you accept that blacks are on average dumber than whites. What do you do next? Are you just gonna kick all black people out of the country because they're "dumber"?

>> No.8544099

>>8544088
>What do you do next?
Accept that whites are dumber on average than Asians.

>> No.8544108

>>8544088
nah. just understand that when the someone goes "why aren't 13% of scientists black?" "why aren't more blacks in this field?" "why are blacks overrepresented in prison?" etc. the answer is not "white supremacy" or "internalized racism" but "of course"

>> No.8544178

>>8544004
Ok then tell me why black people are more likely to be poor. Racism is no excuse because they get every advantage when it comes to things like college scholarships or acceptance to ivy league schools.

>> No.8544183

>>8544178
They have been marginalized for centuries and acceptance advantages will not fix issues like the education they receive as children and teens, the intellectual stimulation given by parents, an adequate nutrition, and so on.

>> No.8544190

>>8543982
Its supported by the evidence i gave in that post. Did you know that people of heavy african descent almost never get sunburn? Its because their dark skin makes them nearly immune to it. You know why that is? E V O L U T I O N. They spent most of their time outside hunting and gathering in the hot african sun and eventually, evolved darker pigmented skin to protect them. Now tell me they havent taken a different evolutionary path than Asians and Caucasians. The darker skin is plain evidence of that. Do you think evolution only goes skin deep?

Pro tip: it doesnt

>> No.8544191

We may as well just sticky a race thread at this point.

>> No.8544193

>>8544108
Not until you understand that all that doesn't mean that there isn't white supremacy/privilege and internalized racism that actually exists. They are very much real and does factor into limiting the success of black people.

>> No.8544196

>>8544190
yeah but we actually know what makes a skin dark and which genes are involved and what the pressures exactly were and how the E V O L U T I O N happened

>> No.8544199

>>8544190
Wew lad. Humans started with dark skin and lost it because they needed more sun when they left Africa.

>> No.8544204

>>8544183
The education they recieve is the same as everyone else. Their are standards for schooling in first world countries, and segregated schools are illegal. Lack of intellectual stimulation from their parents doesnt prove anything other than stupid people have stupid kids (gasp). Being marginalized doesnt have anything to do with the fact that they are still living in mud huts. You cant tell me they were bullied into not progressing in the last 1000 years in their own countries.

>> No.8544210

>>8544193
here's your (you) faggot

>> No.8544211

>>8543840
Upvoted you my friend

>> No.8544214

>>8544199
Fair point. The arguement still stands, we have diverged on different evolutionary paths and if you think skin color is the only adaptation that has differed between those paths i would put money on the bet that you are wrong. We may never know though because researching such topics is morally wrong.

>>8544196
You think we have entirely mapped and understood our genes already? Find a paper describing the sole gene resposible for intelligence. Go ahead, i will wait. Its not like if you look at the genes of an Afrcan and an Asian the only difference you will find is in the one gene responsible for melanin production. Its way more complicated than that.

>> No.8544221

a guy in a tard house scoring a 70 on an iq test means something completely different from a khoi san scoring a 70

>> No.8544229
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8544229

>>8544204
Time for a reality check
>The education they recieve is the same as everyone else. Their are standards for schooling in first world countries, and segregated schools are illegal.
Go to the inner city sometime. It's all black kids and the schools are shitty.

>Lack of intellectual stimulation from their parents doesnt prove anything other than stupid people have stupid kids (gasp). Being marginalized doesnt have anything to do with the fact that they are still living in mud huts.
Mud huts? In tribal Africa, yes. Just like white people did when they were hunter/gatherers (a system that still thrives in tribal Africa). In America, they live in inner city ghettos. Kids are exposed to all sorts of squalor outside lack of intellectual stimulation from parents (who work two jobs to put food on the table. You might believe that the millions of blacks in the ghettos are all on welfare or something).
>You cant tell me they were bullied into not progressing in the last 1000 years in their own countries.
Why not? Why did Rome fall? Global scale shitstorms happens all the time. And it seems like you are completely unaware of plenty of modernized urban centers in Africa. Pic is Lagos, Nigeria. Not quite mudhuts.

>> No.8544240

>>8544020
well you see, theres this thing called geographical distance

>> No.8544245

>>8544210
Here's your ignorance award

>> No.8544253

>>8544214
>You think we have entirely mapped and understood our genes already?
There's about 20k genes in you that are used to code proteins, we have pretty good idea what they do. Skin color is not mongenic, but the post important gene is a tyrosinase gene used when packing the melanosomes in the melanocytes in your skin - unlike intelligence, skin color is much easier to understand how the genes work, just because we haven't figured one thing, doesn't mean we haven't figured anything out.

>>>/pol/

>> No.8544269

>>8543711
Because muh feelings m8. Fucking libertards are destroying science.

>> No.8544272

>>8543921
If only there were studies on the adoption of kids into families of a different race and their resulting intelligence compared to their adopted siblings' so that we could study this. Oh, wait...

>> No.8544273

>>8544229
>Pic is Lagos, Nigeria. Not quite mudhuts.
Gee I wonder who built that for them

>> No.8544279
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8544279

>>8544006
>How does it feel to be from the smartest race?
Who are Jews?

>> No.8544282

>>8544279
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf

>> No.8544314

>>8544273
smartest black people - the igbos, so called jews of africa

>> No.8544317

I mean, it depends. Everybody relates to some sort of collective in a way in a manner less pronounced than the way they relate to the self individually.

Let's say that I'm black. How would you react if I claimed that I, as an individual, am more intelligent than you? Most likely, you would ask me to back up my claim. I would provide proof, and then you would most likely attempt to refute it, potentially using an appeal to sociopolitical factors, because you don't want to admit that you are inferior as an individual.

While there may be pervasive differences between the races in terms of global trends, nothing changes the reality of individual superiority. If your threshold is intelligence, one [race here] genius is objectively better than any non-genius from any race.

>> No.8544350

Intelligence has a lot to do with how you're raised, and unfortunately many black people are raised in low income households. This fact is true among white people raised in low income households also. Before you disregard this b/c you think people in poverty are genetically just less intelligent, I want to say I've read some studies on twins that were raised in two separate households with different incomes, and the one with more moolah typically winds up being more intelligent.

I don't really understand why it matters which race is smarter though. If we all had the same upbringing, it's not like there would be a significant difference in intelligence between races anyways.

Do you feel the need to constantly inform black people that you're smarter than them since you're white and statistically were more likely to be raised in a household with a higher income? Just treat everybody how you would want to be treated.

>> No.8544362

>>8543721
Liberals: But its a proven fact that 90% are like Ramanujan

>> No.8544441

These threads are always so weird. You can always tell who /sci/ are, and who's a pollack that comes here because
>muh lojick
Alt-Right are the new fedora tippers, spread the word

>> No.8544451

>"well, maybe you aren't right on that my..."
>"cuck, cuck, cuck"
Kek

When will stormcucks learn?

>> No.8544465

>>8544441
>>8544451
>libtard tears
>stormcucks
SJWtards make it so obvious lately

>> No.8544474

>>8544465
Not an argument.
>>8544362
Go back to your libralcuckservathreads on >>>/8gag/, stormcuck.

>> No.8544484

>>8543711
>Why is it so taboo to even imply that one race is smarter than another?
Because if you discomfort dumb apes, they will attack you like the dumb apes they are. Smart people don't give a fuck what you call them.

>> No.8544490

>>8544474
>go back
I'm a tolerant liberal and I refuse to be a hateful bigot like you. /pol/ and SJW is welcome on this board :)
#RemoveBorders
#FCKH8
#RefugeesWelcome

>> No.8544496

>>8544245
back to africa nigger, enjoy your nigger privilege there

>> No.8544502

>>8544490
What kind of delusion is that, stormcuck.
Go back to the shithole you came from, >>>/8gag/.

>>8544282
IQ tests say that Jews and asians are superior to everyone else. It's science.

>> No.8544509

>>8544502
and IQ tests say that blacks are the dumbest race on earth and there are monkeys smarter than them. It's science :)

>> No.8544532

>>8543711

I don't know, OP. Why do people insist that it's "elitist" and "out-of-touch" to suggest that educational attainment and residing within an urban area mean that one is more intelligent? Both of those factors correlate with intelligence at least as much as, if not more than race. Yet /pol/ will routinely identify with the average intelligence of whites as a way of asserting superiority, yet claim that higher education is "liberal indoctrination" and demonize the "elitist establishment."

>> No.8544533
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8544533

>>8544496
Truly the high IQ masterrace at work.

>> No.8544574

>>8544509
>but muh relativity
Nope. ;^)
Kill all sub 130IQ creatures.

When will you learn, stormcuck?

>> No.8544598

>>8544509

I might be black, but my IQ is higher than yours! That's good enough for me. :^)

>> No.8544604

>>8544533
HEY FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER, I DIDNT CALL YER FUCKING HOUSE GET YOUR FUCKING FIGURES STRAIGHT YOU ASSHOLE MOTHERFUCKER

>> No.8544611

>>8544574
>>8544598
[distant chimp screams]

>> No.8544614

Why do so many people here think that it's best that only high IQ couples reproduce? There's a lot more that goes into developing a strong and thriving community than intelligence. I imagine it probably helps a lot more to be a healthy, sociable person who can work with others and doesn't go around informing black people that statistics say they're on average dumber than white people.

>> No.8544618

>>8544574
I'm chinese and we should start with the lowest IQ race and see how it goes from there. So it's byebye for you koko

>> No.8544638

>>8543886
But why did they need the wheel in the first place? Inventions are created out of necessity.

>> No.8544648

>>8544611

With regards to intellect, the chimps are more your kindred than they are mine.

>> No.8544657

>>8544618

As a black guy dating a Chinese girl, my time in China has shown me that there are A LOT of unintelligent Chinese people out there. If we were to kill people for having low IQs, I'm afraid Asians would no longer be the world racial majority.

>> No.8544662

>>8544657
racism belongs to >>>/pol/ tyrone

>> No.8544665

>>8544648
That's patently false tho

>> No.8544668

>>8544618
I have an IQ of 145 and I think we should start with the white race. ;^)

Can't you brainlets deduce that killing the potential danger sources is the smartest thing to do?

I bet you are not even chinese, probably another stormcuck.

>>8544611
Not an argument.

>> No.8544675

>>8544668
[monkey hitting the keyboard furiously]

>> No.8544680

>tfw iq of 87
>too stupid to get a $12/hr job as a machinist
>live as a neet leeching off my geriatric parents instead

why live?

>> No.8544681

>>8544675
Not an argument.

>>8544665
Any facts regarding chimps taking IQ tests are mostly made up stormcuck babble.

>>>/8gag/

>> No.8544689

>>8544681
>I blame the whitey coz Koko is smarter than me
[bananas thrown in the air]

>> No.8544690

>>8544668
>Can't you brainlets deduce that killing the potential danger sources is the smartest thing to do?
>not muslims
0/10

>> No.8544692

>>8544665

It's actually true. My IQ is higher than yours; between the two of us, your IQ is closer to that of a chimp. Do you know how number lines work, or would you like me to explain that to you?

If you want, we can compare merits to see who is smarter.