/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8538414
Call me when he solves an open problem.

>>8538414
Why is he writing on a window? Does he want to be in a movie or something?

>>8538414

What a shitty childhood.

>>8538414
Let me know when he contributes something and isn't being exploited to promote the university he is attending.

>>8538414
Have you ever seen any of these gifted kids contributed anything to science, got Noble or something?

I kinda regret that no media ever called me some genius robo kid or something when I was 15 and was modding my Mindstorms to have low level access to bluetooth and other hardware to control it using programs I wrote for my phone. Maybe I would skip education straight to university and get some more toys.

>>8538475
>writing software
>Nobel

Lel faggot nigger. GTFO

>>8538429
kek'd

>>8538414
My parents didn't shove textbooks and tutors up my ass from age 4 and actually let me enjoy my childhood

>>8538482
Since when astrophysicists write software?

>>8538492

Ever since they needed programs to simulate astrophysics.

>>8538414
>masters student
>astrophysicist
>no phd

WhAt did they mean by this?

>>8538492
>being this retarded

I love how every time a childhood prodigy appears /sci/ tries to make it that they could have been one too given the right circumstances, and then shits on the kid.

Hyper-intelligent people exist. Get used to it.

>>8538511
They use that software as a tool. Writing scripts in python for simulating/testing their calculations is not an actual Software Development.

>>8538529
Show me these Hyper-inteligent childhood prodigy who contributed to science in significant way in their adult life.

>>8538415
>>8538429
>>8538439
>>8538465
>>8538475
>>8538485
>>8538524
>>8538534

Jelly brainlets
>muh childhood
Yeah, playing vidya and fapping to 20 sec sample clips and TGP sites, what a great childhood

>>8538548
Are you retarded in some way or just pretending?

>>8538534
Unabomber.

>>8538414
You spelt autistic wrong.

>>8538534
Terrence tao and norbert wiener

also there are many chess prodigies who are quite successful now like magnus carlsen, karjakin and hikaru nakamura and once bobby fischer

>>8538534
>millions of lines of physics code is somehow not software
>implying these giant codebases can be maintained without proper software development practices


You literally have no idea what scientific computing is, do you?

>not smart enough to buy a whiteboard

>>8538548
Hi Jake. Can you help me do my homework on infinite series?

>>8539323
Interesting. But were they promoted by media when they were young, like the kid in OP?
It's expected that geniuses do amazing things while being kids, but I meant people who are being shown on media and then everyone forgets about them.

>>8539332
No, I don't.
All I heard was some posts from scientists from /g/ or /sci/ who were talking about making quick and dirty scripts in Python at work, just to do proof of concepts. They were just simple one time things and I assumed this is how they write they software when they need to do something themselves and that professional scientific software are not written by these researchers. I might be wrong though.

>>8538534
john von neumann

>>8538534
Gauss

>>8538548
Someone is mad.

>>8538414
There was a child "prodigy" PhD student (17y.o.) at my uni who was constantly being awarded these "30 under 30" type of things but only had one first author "pub" which was just actually just a letter to the editor. He didn't seem to mind the attention tho.

>>8538414
Two things faggots:

1) A child prodigy is only ever really branded one when the media, or academia pays moderate attention to them. Ergo, there are probably 37,355,999 child geniuses around the world, the majority of them not in the public of academic eye.

2) The majority of media-darling child geniuses end up amounting to nothing, or become mentally ill and have a breakdown (due to not having had a childhood).

>>8538475
Einstein did quite well, despite being a child prodigy, same for Neumann and Gödel.

>>8539594
Agreed!

>>8538534
>Show me these Hyper-inteligent childhood prodigy who contributed to science in significant way in their adult life.
Literally every famous scientist ever

This is your ((((((genius)))))) kid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBW4S9xcTOk
>>8538414

>>8539634
Fucking keking kekington, I didn't know this was a /sci/ cringe thread?

>>8539634
It's quite saddening to see some of these nowadays prodigies having such glory hungry parents.

>>8539634
"They said Hawking could think in three-dimensions"
"Yeah, but I can think in four and five"
Well, is not he an snowflake?

>>8539349
Terence Tao was hyped as fuck by the media. I'd post links but I'm on mobile now

>>8538414
Poor upbringing. Public schooling. No education. That's about it.

>>8539634
Doing mathematical operations on a transparent surface is the way of the future.

>>8539692
He's 12. He's also being treated like a special snowflake by all of the adults in the room and, being a dumb 12 year old, has assumed this position himself.

>>8539634
that interviewer is a dick

>>8539831
>you couldnt say it better

This makes me realize that there isn't a real way for most people to accelerate through school. I think this is where a lot of the "lazy but smart" comes from. Being too smart for regular classes but still being stuck in them and their pace for a decade must have a major effect on the psyche. Who knows how many people never get out of the situation until it is too late.

>>8538529
It's nature not nurture you racist.

>>8539935
Life is not fair. But who says life should be fair? Sure, a lot of people did. But those people failed to realize that life IS not fair. Saying isn't doing.

>>8539964
>we shouldn't try to solve this problem because problems are inherently part of life

>>8538548
genuine autism or bait, I can't tell anymore

>>8538414
but he train since child

>>8539601
Einstein failed Calculus, he wasn't a child prodigy
I'm too smart for calculs too but it won't stop me revolutionizing science

>>8540744
>Einstein failed calculus
That's just what they tell the stupid kids. He was leagues above his classmates in mathematics.

>>8539692
He should have said "k-dimensions" it would have been funnier.

>>8538414
I leave symbol manipulation up to my computer.
I have better uses for my brain's processing power.

>>8538414
this little dude is so smart it hurts
and what else than dedicating your entire life to raise him properly would parents do?

>>8539464
Lel

>>8538548
you bait, but I genuinely loved this part of my childhood. Honestly, I could've been a "child prodigy" too, but I wouldn't've given it up for my childhood. I'm fine with studying at the best university in the world at the age of 19.

>>8538414
Let me know when he actually gets a job

>>8541226
i like you

>>8541226
>best university in the world
everyone thinks their university is the best

Because I'm actually enjoying life instead of being an autistic fuck.

>>8539634
Why didn't he just used Weierstrass theorem for series. He could limit upper part to 1 and lower to >1, and bang. God. I'm so much smarter than this kid.

>>8541454
This.
t. Arizona State grad

>>8538475
Terence Tao is doing pretty well for himself

>>8541454
>everyone thinks their university is the best

but still carry the shame that they weren't good enough to get into harvard, MIT, stanford, or caltech

>>8540744
>In 1935, a rabbi in Princeton showed him a clipping of the Ripley’s column with the headline “Greatest living mathematician failed in mathematics.” Einstein laughed. “I never failed in mathematics,” he replied, correctly. “Before I was fifteen I had mastered differential and integral calculus.” In primary school, he was at the top of his class and “far above the school requirements” in math. By age 12, his sister recalled, “he already had a predilection for solving complicated problems in applied arithmetic,” and he decided to see if he could jump ahead by learning geometry and algebra on his own. His parents bought him the textbooks in advance so that he could master them over summer vacation. Not only did he learn the proofs in the books, he also tackled the new theories by trying to prove them on his own. He even came up on his own with a way to prove the Pythagorean theory.

That's not much of a failure.

I really hope Barnett solves something of significance, just see the bitter tiers of /sci/ running.

>>8538557
They didn't have the letter u. change it to a v

>>8541510
The series doesn't converge you retard.

Part of me thinks being this smart would make you even more unhappy unless you were autistic and able to just focus only on work.

A normal person gets gratification from simple tasks. This kid will only get gratification from the most difficult, possibly impossible, tasks.

>>8539692
It was a joke.

>>8542337
> bitter tiers
wew lad

>>8538414
lazy

https://www.scribd.com/doc/233602815/Barnetts-Identity-Pdf1
yeah a real prodigy huh?

>>8542940
kek

>>8542940
y-you're j-j-j-just j-j-jealous!!!

>>8538475
>doing science for prizes
yeah the money's good, but the prize is fucking meaningless validation. It's like a circlejerk. It's like the oscars, the grammys, whatever.

>>8539594
Rather a lack of preparation for the pressure of becoming a super star.

>>8541973
The really good ones aren't very prone to shame or they'd be out-managed rather quickly.

>>8542985
>Being this butt mad and desperate to make someone look insecure.

Oh wow.

>>8543044
I was being sarcastic you autist

>>8538534
Euler

>>8539935
If you are able to solve all of what is necessary for the curriculum, wouldn't it be noticed?

>a literal window licker

lmao

>>8543259

I suppose that depends a lot on what kind of school/teacher you have, but generally it goes like this.

>Here solve these problems.
>Okay I solved them.
>Really? They were supposed to take you the whole lesson. Nevermind, here's some more. They're not any harder or more profound, just more of the same.
>I solved them.
>Solve some more.
>I solved them.
>Solve some more.

Eventually the student realises that the only winning strategy is to finish the first batch of problems, stay quiet about it, and spend the rest of the class drawing boobies in his coursebook.

>>8541454
Cambridge is objectively the best uni in the world my man

>>8541973
Isn't Princeton U #1 in the latest rankings?

>>8543015
It might surprise you, but getting prizes is not the only way you can "contribute anything to science".

>>8538475
> Noble

Aside from all the baits ITT, real talk now.

You need "play" in your formative years for proper development (physical and mental).
Hell, play is all you need for the first 12 years of your life. And no, "playing with numbers" does not count.
Physical activity with mental challenges. Running around, digging through mud, building a wooden house, making spears and bows, even picking flowers if you are lightly on spectrum... But the most important thing, doing it with other children.
If a child doesn't go through that part of his childhood it won't be properly developed.

>>8543288
I would argue that educational staff would take early notice of a child's ability to learn. The kid in the OP had apparently sucked in school though and it was only after an environment change that he was able to shine.

Could any average person increase their intelligence to a genius level through a desire to learn?

>>8539634
>all those salty fucks in the comments
20 year old undergraduates are really insecure.

>>8539634
>talking about your son like he isnt even in the room while he sits two inches away from you
>those made up stories about sitting down on a piano and playing beethoven

>>8539634
lol

>>8543051
Ah yes, I sure don't get sarcasm. That's why I do it all the time.

>>8538475
> Who is Terence

>>8539992
lmao

>>8543540
>increase IQ
No, not unless you had access to confidential memory and learning drugs, but you'd be suprised where even the average can go if the love and desire is present.

Alas though, school was too much bullshit and not enough personal mentorship for me. I had performed better than thousands of kids and I ended up in low-level classes in that sector because I didn't like writing 'class journals' and such. If I had personal mentorship I would have jumped leagues and bounds.

Life isn't always fair.

>>8538475
Couldn't stop laughing at Hegel-Schelling relationship senpai. Schelling was so mad he got btfod he never spoke with Hegel again.

>>8539601
>Einstein
>Child prodigy

lol wut

>>8539692
Is it hard for people to think in three dimensions? What the fuck?

>>8541454
everyone also thinks that their university ranking matters at all at the undergrad level

>>8544771

It matters a whole lot more than at the graduate, desu. If you're publishing at respectable venues it doesn't matter if you're working in some shithole.

>>8542589
>This kid will only get gratification from the most difficult, possibly impossible, tasks.
LIke getting a girlfriend.

>>8544781
if hes as smart as they say he is, he could simply find some optimal solutions to solve that. Imagine a global minima of the hooking-up function where a simple gesture leads to instant pussy.

>>8544747
That's literally synaesthesia.

>>8541245
???

>>8544792
That gesture being courteousness and chivalry. The real women out there won't fall for your simple-minded techniques of female acquisition. Only elevated individuals like myself may experience the true bliss of finding a female companion of such high morals. Have fun blindly following the machine, being dust in the wind.

>>8542570
Huh

>>8544771
Holy shit this.

wasted my childhood playing runescape and fapping to britney spears videos

>>8538414
I'm curious as to why an in depth understanding of mathematics seems to = intelligence to alot of people.

I'm gonna be honest, im tragic at mathematics and most maths related concepts. I got the highest even literacy score in my school and I have a good understand of the concepts in almost every area of science and and history.

I pretty much cannot do any mathematics beyond the basic trig, mechanics algebra etc etc. However, I could tell you the definition and how to spell almost every word in the English language.

I dont think people need to exaggerate their intelligence or be butthurt over someone who has a brilliant and comprehensive understanding of a single field. I bet most of us would know significantly more about certain specific topics and general knowledge than a maths prodigy would.

The human mind only has so much capacity and ability and anyone who was focused on something from a young age is going to be brilliant at it.

>>8544771

of course it does you fuck

>>8545259

literature isn't that hard

what are you gonna do? use some big words? write an entire book with no grammar mistakes?

Also it must be very nice being able to spell things. What a practical skill.

congratufuckinglations

>>8545247
>jacob will never experience such bliss
we're all gonna make it

>>8545268
Wow that really set me straight, being autistic about math really is the only "skill" worth having.

What an enlightening post

>>8545259
Ignore him, 90% of /sci/ is other boards baiting

>>8545268
It is actually very practical, being able to convey a point accurately without sounding like a dunce.

I also meant literacy in the broader sense, I have a basic medical sciences degree so I could also name and explain the function of every cell, structure and hormone in the body, that is extremely practical.

The point I was making (before you aggressively smashed out a typical smart-ass 4chan response) was that there are different measures and areas of intelligence, and someone being solely focused on a single one does not give them superior intelligence.

>>8545259
To answer your first question:
Mathematics is a pretty good metric for general intelligence. It requires (in its actual form) most the attributes you'd give to an intelligent person; abstract thought, creativity, the ability to grasp and relate complex concepts, etc.
And more importantly than that, it's much easier to judge mathematical intelligence. You can quantify how many words you've memorized, but that's not really intelligence, in that it doesn't display any of the things I listed above. There's no easy way to decide whether you're a literary genius or not, but with math you can say with reasonable certainty whether a solution to a problem is great or bad or just flat-out wrong.

Also: what makes you an idiot is not the fact that you don't know calculus but the fact that you think you can't do it.

>>8538414
>astrophysicist
Why do these ''''''''''''geniuses''''''''''''' always go into the biggest meme subjects?

>>8545295
>there are different measures and areas of intelligence, and someone being solely focused on a single one does not give them superior intelligence.

I personally wholeheartedly agree with you, but you will absolutely find that to be the opinion of only the severely and significant minority on any 4chan board.

>>8545302
Because of The Big Bang Theory and the black science man. People like that unironically like those things.

>>8545299
No necessarily. (Anecdotal evidence here, but here goes) My girlfriend, amazing as she might be in alot of ways, shes not always the brightest spark. She absolutely crushes me at mathematics, shes Environmental Geo-engineer but she struggles to understand some abstract concepts, alternative ways of thinking and so forth. BUT she memorises mathematics rules/equations extremely well, for her its just pattern recognition and finding the match for the problem, not unlike language in some ways. Now I know this is not the same field as astrophysics but I've yet to see a maths problems she can't intuitively grasp.

Point being, I don't think I CAN'T do calculus, but I have no desire or use for it, and from a young age I was very literacy-inclined. So I have never given my time to excel at it...I believe some people are definitely naturally more inclined to understand mathematics, but that certainly doesn't make them more intelligent based on that.

If you think you're superior because you have a comprehensive understanding of ONE field, I think you need to step down from that high horse.

>>8545295
>I could also name and explain the function of every cell, structure and hormone in the body
what's the function of the golgi tendon orgarn. Be honest and don't look it up.

you know how I would know if you cheated? exactly, that's how useful your skill is.
>there are different measures and areas of intelligence
no, there's not. and rote memorization certainly isn't one of them.

>>8545324
>BUT she memorises mathematics rules/equations extremely well
mathematics has nothing to do with memorizing rules and if you honestly think this (and you think that memorizing rules has anything to do with intelligence in the first place) you're far too ignorant to convince of anything

>brags about how great at literacy he is
>alot

> becoming and astrophysicist
> when meme drive is btfo physics
lel

>>8545324
> definitely naturally
I though you were supposed to be some literacy genius.

>>8545295

> It is actually very practical, being able to convey a point accurately without sounding like a dunce.

It really isn't. I've heard this before when I was forced to take speech in highschool.

> what are you gonna do when it's muh job interview and nobody taught you how to give a speech?
> how are you supposed to learn how to make an argument without sounding stupid?

The argument you make really depends on the circumstance. It isn't about bullshitting, or persuading like some kike lawyer. It's about actually taking the better position. Just how in a job interview it's about actually being qualified for the job.

I guess for the average Chad and Stacey bullshitting is important because they are competing for cushy jobs anybody could do with no real substance. Personally I just don't operate that way.

>>8538414

Why would anyone take a 15y.o savant seriously? I'm just saying, he can't even drive, why would anyone employ him? He's literally just gonna fuck your company up by acting like he's hot shit.

>>8545334
literally this, changed my major already and everything

>>8538414
he probably smells

fuck jacob barnett. I'll fuck all his bitches and get them pregnant. Then I'll change my name and nobody will ever be able to find me ever again. I'll be light skinned with good hair.

-t. [Jacob Barnett gets more bitches than me and I'm hating on this nigga right now]

>>8545349
>Just how in a job interview it's about actually being qualified for the job.

>>8538415

He will eventually. I think /sci/ should just get over themselves already and accept the fact that some people are just that much smarter.

And there's plenty of others like him as well.

>>8539935
That's why I'm not really too blown away by a lot of these kids. There are scores of children all over the world who are just as or even more intelligent than them but they just don't get raised in fortuitous circumstances.

>>8545295
>There are different measures and areas of intelligence
Why are you on /sci/ if you're going to be unscientific?
Fuck you say you know the definition of every word but you obviously don't know the difference between intelligence and knowledge

>>8538414
>caring about things you can't change
I'm also not as smart as Terence Tao, or plenty of others, doesn't mean I have a choice in the matter

>>8538567
underrated

He has autism,no joke, and he hasn't done anything useful for us.