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If I take certain ADHD-meds like vyvanse/elvanse or ritalin but I don't actually have ADHD, does my brain or body take the same amount of 'damage' from the usage as someone who has it?

For example, say two people get the same side effects from vyvanse usage (worse circulation, less appetite), but only one of them actually has ADHD. Is this equality of effects the same on the brain level too?

The thought hit me because the effect of vyvanse is very different on those with the diagnosis (calmer)

>> No.8529583

>>8529511
>The thought hit me because the effect of vyvanse is very different on those with the diagnosis (calmer)

Generally the claim that CNS stimulants have different effects on persons with adhd compared to persons w/o is pure bullshit.

Moreover the psychiatry lit. is riddled with ad copy passed off as disinterested science and beset with bias toward publication of 'positive' results.

Modern militaries have known for something like 100 years that low dose CNS stimulants have universal effects.

>> No.8529589

>>8529511
ADHD is a myth

autism on the other hand isn't. stop overintellectualizing your emotional life just because you're too scared to get in touch with it, you fucking pussy. if you do drugs it's obvious that you will sustain some brain damage (likely a negligible amount for anything but higher cognitive functions, enjoy being a brainlet in the robotized post-labor world)

all in all, it's not worth it

>> No.8529612

>>8529511
>If I take certain ADHD-meds like vyvanse/elvanse or ritalin but I don't actually have ADHD, does my brain or body take the same amount of 'damage' from the usage as someone who has it?
People with ADHD take meds because of chronic hypoacitivty in catecholaminergic systems. Stimulants and reuptake inhibitors respectively mimic and normalize catecholamine levels in these people. As such, normal homeostatic mechanisms kick in to a lesser extent compared to 'normal' people. If you don't have ADHD, but you do take the meds, then after some extended time of use one would expect larger receptor retraction and reductions in gray matter volume* compared to people with ADHD.

*http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/315/1/91

>>8529583
>>8529589
Could you neets please get the fuck off the science board?

>http://www.jneurosci.org/content/36/30/7865.short
>we do not know whether atomoxetine would have similar effects on functional connectivity in clinical populations characterized by disturbed catecholaminergic function (e.g., attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and depression).

>> No.8529614

>>8529612
Great answer, thanks!

>> No.8529647

I wish I could get Adderall to not be a brainlet anymore

>> No.8529651

>>8529647
I'm going to request an evaluation, but there's a considerable waiting time (6-12+ months). In the meantime I'm considering "investing" in a 1-2 month supply so that I can go and become a millionare (already on track but I need more motivation and brain, lots of programming to do)

>> No.8529653

>>8529612
>common sense is wrong
>here is 1 (ONE) study that proves I am correct about common sense being wrong
Literally anti-vaxxer-tier. Embarrassing.

>>8529614
How would you know that it was a great (or even good) answer if you're the one that asked the question from a standpoint of not knowing the answer?

when will you stemshits learn? Not everything is about describing the insides of a box. At times you have to also fucking consider where the box is located in relation to other boxes.

>> No.8529667

>>8529653
>common sense is wrong
That's correct.
>here is 1 (ONE) study
1 (ONE) more than you provided.
>Literally anti-vaxxer-tier.
You're trying too hard.

>> No.8529679

>>8529667
Too embarrassing. I won't be replying to you again. You could however try to address the arguments presented once again, but constructively this time.

>> No.8529681

>>8529679
>the arguments presented
That's the problem. You didn't provide any. All you did is appeal to common sense.

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8529683

>>8529653
>>8529679

>> No.8529685

>can i have my cake and eat it too
>im scared to take a chance

dont be a pussy and just take it

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8529686

>>8529653
>baiting this hard

>> No.8529691

>>8529653
>you stemshits
what are you doing on this board? you obviously belong on /pol/

>> No.8529710

>>8529685
I don't think you've done half the stuff I have. Stop assuming shit.

>> No.8529712

>be me
>try to shill pharma to naive kids
>15 Replies, 6 Posters

youhadonejob.jpg

>> No.8529727

>>8529710

you are literally asking for reassurance to take vyvanse, the only thing you have taken is peptobismol, my nigga

>> No.8529729

>>8529612
>one would expect larger receptor retraction and reductions in gray matter volume* compared to people with ADHD
Just in case this wasn't clear, this implies that 'damage' occurs more rapidly in people who don't have ADHD.

>> No.8529744

So meth side effects are also only for those who have ADHD? It must be great diagnostic method of ADHD then, just give pills and see if brain gets damaged...

Actually there is good stuff beter for same things you can use ritalin for i.e. cocaine.

>> No.8529750

>>8529744
no

>> No.8529777

>>8529750
Meth is bad for ADHD or what?

>> No.8529911

>>8529777
Meth is bad for anyone.