/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8522563
xKCD is cucked

>>8522568

Mathematics is an attempt to understand and organize the world around us. This comes from an innate desire to learn as much about life as we can, I.E. applied philosophy.

I think the "math is derived from philosophy" argument is flawed. Philosophy depends on logical and axiomatic foundations that are more in the domain of mathematicians than philosophers nowadays (though historically there's a lot of overlap).

The problem with sociology are the people working in it. There are pretty good methods to study social behavior, but these involve a ton of math and programming knowledge and that would be too hard of course. Instead they focus on retarded circlejerking about muh word definitions and sounding smart. I've met a handfull of sociologists that are actually doing great work, but those are the very small minority and they hate to be called sociologists.

Spot on, actually.

>>8522563
The credibility of sociology died screamingly with Sokal's Social Letter.
The credibility of psychology died screamingly in 1974 with Feynman's Cargo Cult Science
The importance with philosophy ended with Newton.
Mathematicians admit having problems in observations, pic. related.

Poetry is to mathematics

As literature is to phsyics

i.e. pointless experimentation

Mathematics is to poetry

As physics is to literature

i.e. pointless experimentation

>>8522662
I think you gave it all mixed up. Maybe you meant mathematics is to physics as poetry is to literature.

>>8522671
brainlet alert

>>8522563
Where does engineering stand on this?

>>8522563
It's pretty dumb.

>>8522568
True, but this is an edit.

>>8522563

>>8522694
Nice.

>>8522694
dont be lazy, and put the fucking engineer in the right place

>>8522719
which would be?

>>8522730
sucking someone's dick

>>8522731
t. chemfag

>>8522612

Than explain why so many mathematicians have autism and while that method of thinking definitely allows you to see the underlying patterns behind things also results in some majorly flawed thinking. No, logic is more the domain of philosophers that don't suck

>>8522730
on top

mathematicians are completely useless in this time of age

>>8522579
Philosophy is just advanced psychology

>>8522808

Where did the desire to learn psychology come from?

>>8522563
>HURR u cant do philosobi withut words!
>Linguistics masterrace :D:D:D:D

>>8522671
Same thing, m8. It's a parallelogram
>>8522563
Philosophy is just applied sociology

>>8522563
philosophers don't know true math

>>8522563
check the fedora tho

>>8522798
fuck dem axioms

>>8522563
>philosopher wears a fedora
KEK

>>8522626
Im interested in knowing what methods you are refering to

>>8522563

>LOOK GUYS I POSTED IT AGAIN

Fuck you

>>8522694
Theology is literally applied philosophy
So it's a loop

Why is "applied" considered bad?

A physicist can't walk into a chemistry lab or a engineering firm and do well without supplemental learning.

>>8522579

No it's not. Mathematics in its purest form is not about reflecting itself in real phenomena

>>8524669

>chemistry lab

True

>or an engineering firm

I could teach a dog to do the job of an undergraduate engineer. It's a lot more on the job training than you might expect ext

>>8525000
fucking troll

>>8524548
Monte carlo sims

>>8522694
Kekd hard

>>8522731
Lmao

>>8522563
philosophy is just applied dictionary writing.

>>8522862
Wanting to learn more about neuroscience

>>8522862
human nature

>>8522579
not true

>>8522694
Physics is derived from engineering.

>>8522694
kill yourself

>>8525000
Define "real". I'd argue the nature of logic itself is very much a real thing, which is what makes it worth studying.

>>8522694
Engineering is just applied physics and chemistry.

>>8522694
It doesn't make sense to say physics is just applied engineering. Engineering is already as applied as it gets. It would be at the very bottom, because you know what it's called when you apply engineering? Engineering.

I suppose that would make it the least pure field there is. But that's just proof it's not a bad thing for a field of study to be impure.

>>8525687

> notice how quickly the figure disappears when you look directly at it.

>>8522681
get out faggot

>>8524548
principle component analysis, non metric multi dimensional scaling

>>8522694
>>8524664

Yeah the Philosopher and Theologian are touching. It's a horseshoe.

>>8522579
>math is an attempt to understand the world

t. doesnt do grad math

>>8524664
>loop
you mean a (circular argument)?

>>8525687
>is it magic?

>>8522579
>>8522612
>>8522656
>>8522662
>>8522694
>>8522719
>>8522798
>>8522862
>>8524217
>>8525142
>>8522563

haha nice to be ontop

>>8526777
Fuck, Holy Trips of Truth

>>8526691
what does t. mean

inb4 newfag

>>8526863
t. means source also have some common sense and reading comprehension

t. meme specialist

>>8526876
thanks man

what style referencing is that?

>>8526777
PRAISE KEK

>>8526879
I don't even know but i think it was a /int/ meme or something but i haven't done much research about it

>>8526879
>>8526891
Fuck i guess i was misinformed (on 4chan itself of course)
It mean't "regards"
>Short of tevierseh or something of that sort. It's Finnish for: "Regards."
I knew this was from /int/

>>8525851
Applied engineering is just building isn't it?

>>8526931
Building, designing and optimising, yes. Us brainlets take your half-baked theories and turn them into something useful that actually provides a benefit.

>>8525687
>note how one line appears longer
>note how the boxes appear to be different sizes
>note how the pipe "appears" bent under the arrow
>now how the line appears thicker where it passes through the column
>note how quickly the figure disappears when you look directly at it
>that "impossible" cube
>the "impossible" staircase
>red blue green black orange purple yellow
what the fuck is this, are they just trolling?

>>8524548
Survey methods for example are actually highly developed. Nobody cares though. The general public still thinks if you just ask a lot of people some stuff it's the same as if you do it with actual scientific methods. Even most researchers in the field of sociology (and others doing survey) mostly only have basic knowledge. The real experts (statisticians, survey methodologists) are usually not interested in researching anything else beside survey methods and statistics.

Another well working method would be record linkage or sometimes even data mining, web scraping etc.

>>8522563
fixed version

>>8522563
>philosophers outside the box of fields arranged by purity
>implying philosophers don't work in a field
>philosophy is not a field
KEK

>>8526981
That's obviously a troll meme.

The pure logician should be the one furthest right as mathematics are applied logic. Philosophy should be excluded from this chart, or as depicted, be outside of the 'purity' domain.

>>8527173
the pure logician is already furthest to the right, see >>8527087

>>8527212
Implying computer science isn't just applied logic. Also, the pure logician should still reside within the box.

The box is probably an industrial building. You know, with jobs.

>>8522694
Fixed for engineers

>>8527304
to be fair CS is more like math than sociology

>>8527317
>uses logic/set notation
>thinks he is doing math

top kek

stemfags get btfo

>>8527438
have you ever actually programmed before?

>>8522563

fix fixed

>>8522694

>engineers arranged as more pure compared to any other discipline

You don't know what field purity means. Engineering is one of the least pure disciplines, it's all about application.

>>8527467
Well cherry picked

>>8528399
>2017
>still getting trolled this easily

>>8527467
Philosophy is a fucking meme nowadays though, so it doesn't matter anymore. But stay mad, art cuck.

>>8522563
It's true.
The only caveat is that the physicist, the chemist, the biologist and the mathematician are the only ones who actually make progress in their fields with time and the philosopher is sitting "outside the box" with his dick in his hands trying to answer the unanswerable questions posed by lonely alcoholics hundreds of years ago.

bad