/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8459565
>70 IQ
why do they even exist...

>>8459565
Hitler was right all along, we have to gas the subhumans. The pure white race cannot survive while those apes leech off our great country's benefits while contributing only to crime. There were chances before Hitler, when our colonial empires brought glory and civilization to the heathen, but the scourge of liberalism and marxism killed our pride and feminized us, and now we're discussing social politics instead of ordering the black man to work on our new genius projects to spread the white race to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Really makes you think.

>>8459565
Corrupt governments lead to greater poverty which leads to malnutrition which leads to improper mental development

>>8459575
This

>>8459579
why is china's IQ so high?

Because IQ measurement is based on relative comparison. Obviously shitty places with famine dissesses and poor education will generally lead to less intelligent people compared to someone in the West. I don't think anyone is denying that, but jumping to the conclusion that it must be because they are and inferior race is pretty dumb.

>>8459586
Remember that the original humans came from Africa, so while many people left and traveled to different places, many stayed. While you could say that we are all human, different races have differences and that is a fact.

>>8459583
Asians have superpowers

Well actually I don't have an answer for you. If I had to guess at where you might find a reason, if what I said is true, it would be in that China has a different history than Africa. Wasn't it not always a total shitpile? When was the last time Africa wasn't literally getting fucked? Whatever problems China has it doesn't seem like they have had as-frequent upheaval. shrugg

>>8459581
I'm glad you think so.

>>8459583
A culture that glorifies hard work and logical thinking. The longer you work on intellectually stimulating problems, the higher you score on IQ tests. They could also be lying about the scores, that's a possibility too.

>>8459565
In areas like africa where there is mostly jungle and desert, there arent a lot of options for agriculture or domestication of animals for useful purposes. In the desert you are pretty much limited to camels, which suck at doing work, other than transport, and being food. Desert is also a shit climate to grow anything in. Without modern technology it is almost impossible for humans to thrive there. That leaves them with the option of living in the jungle, which has zero options for domesticated work animals, and very few options for agriculture. What the jungle does offer is food and water literally everywhere. You dont even need agriculture because you can walk in any direction and find food easily. The only problem with the jungle is it has apex predators like lions, and jaguar. The climate is warm enough to be naked in year round so there are almost zero problems that need solving to thrive in the jungle. The only attribute you need to survive, and pass your genes on, is that you need to be faster than the guy who becomes jaguar food. So thats what evolution selected for, athletic morons. Its a similar situation with native americans, although they had agriculture, they didnt have big strong DOMESTICATABLE (that is a key word here, bison dont make good pets) animals to do the heavy lifting for them so agriculture never advanced very far. Europe had problems that needed to be solved (cold climate, need shelter and food for the winter), and the tools to solve them (farmable land, large working animals). So the most successful way to survive and pass on your genes in Europe was to be smart and utilize the tools given to you to solve the problems that nature threw at you. So thats what evolution selected for. Out of shape white people who were smart enough to enslave animals to do their work. You see what i did there?

/thread

>>8459565

WHY ARE /POL/ THREADS NOT A BANNABLE OFFENSE.

FUCK OFF BACK TO YOUR CIRCLE JERK.

>>8459575
There is no need for violence. I know it is easy to condemn the peoples of sub Saharan Africa, but you must realize it was us who armed them and enabled them to carry out a lot of the despicable acts we see in the news. We should have simply left the jungles alone after exploring and mapping the terrain, allowing further access thereafter for strictly scientific and very minimal industrial purposes.

>>8459611
This thread ia getting decent responses. Fuck off to tumbler you fucking triggered cubt.

>>8459610

>bison don't make good pets

Neither did Aurochs. Neither did wolves.

That's the point of domestication retard.

>>8459611
SJWtards who use the made up term /pol/something deserve to be permabanned. You are 100% percent of the problem for all the scientific threads going to shit.

>>8459632
I think he was arguing African wildlife is impossible, it at least much more difficult to domesticate. He probably read jarred diamond.

>>8459565
In countries like Sudan it's expensive to get even an elementary education, none of it is free, and given the extreme poverty only the wealthy can get educated.I believe this is why the average IQ is so low in Sudan and a majority of African nations. I was born in Sudan, luckily my family decided to come to Canada so me and my siblings could get an education.

>>8459644
>IQ is related to education.
I haven't seen any school giving IQ classes or IQ lectures anywhere in the world...

>>8459644

Most of what IQ tests determine is not education based but problem-solving/memory/visualization/learning based

>>8459647
Do you think people have raw intelligence limited at birth? And in China they do give those sort of classes.

>>8459658
That requires experience with encountering those problem and a good basis in school experience.

>>8459647
IQ measures your ability to problem solve, recognize patterns, and your logic and reasoning skills, which is something that education improves. I do believe that some people may have better problem solving or pattern recognition skills naturally than others, but these skills can be trained in the same way your muscles can, and this is what education is meant to do. For example, if someone struggles to comprehend a concept in a certain subject, they can practice this till they fully comprehend it.

>>8459589
and many of those differences are minor as fuck, aren't, exclusive to one race or extremely hard to determine.

>>8459661
Many factors limit your intelligence including genetics. Genetics determine the intelligence of next generations, thus a low IQ population. And due to their low IQs they can't utilize the land they live in and waste everything (eg: Africa, Middle east) and high IQ people stop throwing the bricks at each other and start building cities out of them(eg; Asia, Europe)

It's quite a simple logic to follow.

>>8459610

this is the stupidest post ive seen for awhile. expect better from /sci/.

again this charade shows why natural selection is so good at explaining the origin of species yet does not in the slightest explain the emergence of any particular phenotype with any sort of consistency.

>>8459675
It's also quite simple and logical to follow that a shitty diet and poor conditions lowers IQ. They aren't mutually exclusive.

>>8459658

yeah but IQ tests were invented by a guy who wanted to find a common factor that could explain why kids who do well at school in one subject do well in another, so it is relevant to education.

>>8459684
>shitty diet and poor conditions
And who is responsible for those? Do you think the animal farms and vegetable farms in asia and europe just fell from the sky without people using their heads?

>>8459675

and someone with a low IQ would fall for the trap of making massive reductions and generalizations on an extremely complicated topic and further make assumptions which are not even warranted yet by any data on earth.

>>8459699
0/10

>>8459697
It was far easier for Europeans to construct agriculture and domestication giveb theuie conditions so in slne sense it did fall from sky for them

>>8459583
They exclusively test the wealthiest cities and use only those results.

>>8459710
Leave this place and never return. The first farmers were from Asia Minor and it transmitted from there to the East and West.

>>8459710
If I read through your brain stroke there correctly, I think you said it fell from the sky for the people who successfully made it happen.
I don't think anyone will take your post seriously after this desperate bullshit rationalization.

>>8459565
I hate how this map looks exactly like a racist sees the world

>lol those robotic chinks and japs with high IQs as ever
>The white american and European race strong!
>Those sandniggers at the middle as expected
>Those disgusting niggers at the bottom

WHY?

>>8459716
>>8459715
I was referring to
>>8459610
It may be an oversimplification, but you are denying any sort of environmental context in your arguments and basically saying muh genetics without considering that no proper scientists has really an absolute definition of intelligence and could link gentic abd epigenetic factors as a whole explanation of what we consider intelligent behavior.

Also Asia minor is not the fucking Congo you illiterate retard. The fertile crecent is in that region.

>>8459729
I love how this map looks exactly like the distribution of brainlets who cry about racism. The more red you go, the more primitive apes you find that blame their problems onto everyone else.

>>8459736
Africa is far more suitable for farming and anywhere in northern Europe or Russia. You have lands slowly transitioning from deserts to fucking jungle rainforests that you can find a sweet spot to do your farming. Whereas farming in most places in the north and Europe has a lifespan of 6 weeks until winter kills all your food and veggies.

It's clear that you haven't thought through your environmental argument since it's actually proving you wrong.

>>8459716

hes saying it depends on environment

>all these posts and no one brings up bottlenecks and founder population.

Seriously how are you anons this retarded to not bring this up? It is the main reason why almost everyone else outside Africa has a higher IQ average and why their gene diversity is lower.

>>8459760
Not him, but you think deserts and rainforests constitute fertile land for farming and agriculture? Did you even look up the Fertile Crescent like the other anon told you to? The rise of civilization didn't happen because the fertile crescent was full of deserts and rainforests, it happened because it was an arid land full of rivers, the best kind of crops to farm, animals prone to taming and domestication that could plow the land to farm more effectively and a climate that doesn't boil you alive. Civilization didn't start in Europe with its "less suitable" farming conditions, it started from the middle east and radiated towards Europe from the mediterranean basin.

>>8459776
why does that result in higher IQ?

>>8459785
>You have lands slowly transitioning from deserts to fucking jungle rainforests that you can find a sweet spot to do your farming

Let me know when you grasp an elementary level of reading comprehension.

>>8459632
>Neither did wolves.
We didn't domesticate wolves, we formed bonds with the species of wild dog that was already following out camps and eating our garbage. This "great white hunter, bending the wilds to his whim" meme is not helping anyone.

>>8459786
It only would if everything were purely genetic and the people who got the Smart Mutation left Africa.

Basically this guy got a C in general genetics

>>8459794

thats what i was thinking lool

>>8459792
Yea, I think most people are aware that northern Africa developed almost on par with Europe. But I think everyone is talking about subsahariana civilizations.

>>8459565
africa has nothing
that is its biggest asset in the geopolitical war.

since other countries dont look for strategic advantage in africa,
africa doesnt realy need to compete.
because of this, there is no propper education.
resulting in the aformentioned sub-monkey tier IQ

>>8459786
I think he's saying that the small population of people that left had a higher IQ than the general population of Africa.
>>8459776
Such a thing is almost impossible to know with current technology though. We can't subject a long-dead population to IQ tests, so until such time as we have a better picture of how genes code for intelligence skills, and which genes they are, it's just speculation. As far as I've seen, right now, the proof for the idea of a "genetic basis" for IQ is just about heritability, while no actual genes have been identified.

>>8459802
Africans constantly massacred each other over turf wars, practiced shamanizm and eat some dead animal parts thinking they have magical powers. I thought that would somewhat help with natural selection but it seems only the most primitive ones survived unfortunately.

>>8459792
None of these, including the intentionally vague "transition" lands between desert and rainforest constitute good farming and agricultural regions. I guess you ignored the whole rest of my post that explains when a region is considered "fertile", which, surprise surprise, doesn't rely just on what type of land we are referring to. Please refrain from posting if you aren't willing to do rudimentary research on a topic. The kind anon even linked you to the fertile crescent and you didn't even bother to read that, I don't know what I was thinking in responding to you seriously.

>>8459792
Let us know when you've managed to attain a comprehension of world history and technologies that's more sophisticated than a game of Sid Meier's Civiliztion.

>>8459565

What if I told you Koko the gorilla was smarter than the average black person?

>>8459822
Based on that pic, Koko could very well be smarter than many average Europeans as well.

>>8459805

i just feel theres literally no reason to make any of those assumptions that would mean the bottleneck thing would work.

>>8459813
>There were no fertile lands in whole of Africa
the quality of your bullshit is so weak that I'm having hard time deciding if you're trolling right now.
>>8459821
seriously, learn to read first. it's not that difficult.

>>8459828
Maybe in your dreams, but not according to the IQ statistics. Sorry.

>>8459837
vague responses and insults are easy to do, anon

This isn't /pol/ however, discussion here means having a higher standard than throwing shit at each other because of their flag. Either adapt or don't post.

>>8459589
Then why is the graph about countries and not races?

>>8459840
eh, that pic says that koko could have an IQ of 70-95, a range that includes European countries' averages. Just sayin'

>>8459843
>bringing up pol boogeyman when you're out of shitposts
why am I not surprised? it was obvious where you're coming from.
You've failed to come up with a single counter-argument even after your environment theory was debunked. Please leave with your desperate rationalizations with zero scientific context. You don't belong here.

>>8459837
i feel like also africa had less access to good quality staple food to grow which could be stored for a long time. east asia had rice, near east had grain and shit

>>8459852
your theories are really bad though.

>Italy highest in West

>>8459856
Those farming lands that Africans just got around to make use of are not theoretical anon. Please learn what theory means as well.

>>8459852
Pathetically weak sauce with a topping of desperation. You're exposing your pol buddies pretty badly in this episode.

>>8459840
USA IQ around 95. Koko's IQ 70-95. Are you living in another man dream?

>>8459868

>US is a 100% white country

>>8459862
Take your meds. You seem to have a lower IQ than Koko.

>>8459862
>pathetic
>weak
>pol exposed !'!!!!11!
>im happy with being retarded

That was easy. Next question?

>>8459879
+1

Now go back and report to HQ. You have a new crisis brewing, you won't have the time to post here any longer anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37892138

>>8459822
You can't give IQ tests to something incapable of speaking.

>>8459883

You're wrong.

>>8459565
Iodine-deficiency and other conditions resulting from poor nutrition.

>>8459882
Just because you're a constantly humiliated minority in /pol/, doesn't mean you don't belong to there you dumb mouthbreathing SJWtard.
Now back to >>>/pol/

>>8459884
No you.
But seriously IQ test is not designed for non humans. Some other intelligence test might be used but there's a lot of skepticism if they measure anything at all. Not to mention that a gorilla with a 70 IQ strains imagination.

>>8459891
kek, wat

>>8459892

>But seriously IQ test is not designed for non humans.

Darwin would disagree.

>The difference in mind between man and the higher animals, great as it is, certainly is one of degree and not of kind.

>>8459843
>>8459852
>>8459862
>>8459879
>>8459882
>>8459891
Fuck off children. This is a board for discussing science and math. If you want to complain about /pol/, take it to /b/.

Don't bother replying to this post, I won't waste my time to answer.

>>8459860
>860▶
>>>8459856

you shouldnt be here, youre clearly not interested in truth

>>8459898
>I won't waste my time to answer.
yes you will :^)

>>8459884
>>8459892
I'm positive that the tests Koko got were infant IQ tests. The resulting IQ score hardly has any significance in drawing conclusions about us if that's the case.

>>8459892
>>8459897

Also Koko can communicate decently with human sign language which is much more impressive than scoring on par with unintelligent humans on an IQ test, so being doubtful of the latter doesn't make much sense. 70 is a lower bound estimate, it's probably higher than that.

Because Niggers.

>>8459586
Intelligence quotient is designed to be independent of education. Furthermore, many sub-Saharan Africans for decades have fine access to food, be it through aid or through hunting.

Stop making excuses.

>>8459610
Oh fuck off Jared, Africa has the most fertile soils in the world. Zimbabwe used to provide food for the whole continent and export elsewhere too.

>>8459904
im still sceptical.

to be fair koko probably gets looked after, more attention and enrichment than humans in some of the worse conditions in the world

>>8459640
Pic related.

>>8459669
How often have you encountered progressive matrices in school?

>>8459907
>that vid
Jesus christ

>>8459897
Was Darwin even alive when IQ tests where designed?
What does he have to do with anything?
>>8459904
There is skepticism to Koko's ability to use sign language. To me it looks like a lot of wishful thinking from his handlers.

>>8459661
IQ just tests pattern recognition and abstract thinking. It doesn't matter if you live in New York or were raised by lions in the savannah.

>>8459904
No Koko pretty much is the interpreters filling in the blanks. Half the time she's asking for food or smokes.

>>8459907

and having fine access to food is the only thing that affects IQ.

IQ cant be independent of education if intelligence isnt independent of education.

>>8459916
of course it does, are you retarded? You think living conditions and practice in problem solving and pattern recognition don't matter in IQ results? The practical difference is huge.

>>8459684
The Irish, the French, the Ukrainians, and the English working class (and many many more) all lived in hideous poverty for ages, yet these conditions didn't produce moronic subhumans.

>>8459914

>What does he have to do with anything?

Darwin believed the difference between humans and higher animals was one of degree, not kind. That's an argument against the claim IQ tests are invalid for non-humans because of some imagined difference in how they think compared to how we think.

>>8459729
it's reality

and no, the high asian IQ is not to be derided, it is to be celebrated

>>8459922

>You think living conditions and practice in problem solving and pattern recognition don't matter in IQ results?

IQ tests are explicitly designed for those things to not matter. If they did matter, IQ testing would be invalid. Its validity is premised in part on its ability to assess intelligence independent of culture.

>>8459924
Yes, animals have different degrees of intelligence, that's obvious. The point is that no one has found a reliable way of measuring the differences quantifiably, for non-humans. IQ test refers to a specific kind of test that animals are incapable of taking.

>>8459923
First of all, hideous poverty is better than Africa's tribal stage, it's not even close. Second of all, yes, these conditions did produce moronic subhumans, who do you think brings down the average IQ of a country, the educated middle class people living in the city and going to university or the commonly ridiculed for their low intelligence uneducated redneck workers?

>>8459932

You're still not understanding what that statement means. There is no difference in kind between humans and higher animals for intelligence, only one of degree. Claiming you can't assess intelligence in animals means you believe there's a difference in kind.

>>8459889
No one knows how fucked up malnutrition is. Even pre-natally lack of nutrition hurts the child.

>>8459923
Lol the lower class in those areas were utter plebs and morons. It was only until recently when the working class weren't such a night and day difference in Europe.

>>8459907
Fucking animals

>>8459920
Maybe we should rename it the Sapience Capability Quotient so smug cunts like you can't pretend the test is something it's not.

>>8459935
>hideous poverty is better than Africa's tribal stage
Ah yes eating mud and completely decomposed roots is better than eating game and vermin.

>>8459936
>means you believe there's a difference in kind.
No, it doesn't. I can't even understand why you would come to such a retarded conclusion.
We don't know how to test animal intelligence, it doesn't mean it's impossible, with future advances.

>>8459940
This pure chaos shit happens/happens in many parts of the world. Russians were eating each other in Finland during WW2.

>>8459786

>Say population "A" has IQ average of 75 with outliers on both sides of the curve in the 60 and 90 range respectively.
>Fraction of population "A" migrates to new region
>This fraction is now consider population "B"
>"B" happens to have a slightly higher frequency of its population with an outlier closer to the 90 threshold.
>Because "B" does not interact with "A" often it cannot return back to its original average and ends up in a new average IQ around 80.
>Same thing happens again but with "B" too, and population "C" is born in a new region further away than "B" and "A"
>"C" also happens to have a higher frequency of outliers which results in a new average closer to 90 again
>"C" average is now around 85
>During this time "C" genome gets new mutations due to environment/diet/founder influences over time
>Among these new mutations are genes that """result""" in a higher IQ threshold and outliers
>Future populations such as "D", "E" and "F" who diverge from "C" therefore inherit these genome characteristics
>Because "C" still interacts a little with "B", "B" gets a little bit of the new mutations but not much
>Same thing happens with "A" but not as much as "B"
>"A" therefore is stuck receiving the least amount of newer mutations from "C" and future populations (mind you this does not mean it doesn't get new mutations on its own but not necessarily the same "C" got)
>"A" also represents the futurest point distance wise from "D", "E" and "F"

This explains why populations such as the indigenous Australians and non Inuit Amerindians have relatively lower averages than Eurasians. This also goes into it is better to utilize "genetic distance".

>>8459794
>>8459805

It's not so much about "smart mutations" so much as it is about a constant narrowing. It gives a possible explaination why Africans despite having a lower average can still obtain high IQ (relatively) on a individual level.

>>8459944

You test Koko the same way you test people. Her using hand gestures instead of speech doesn't change anything. The "problem" you're raising only exists if you believe there's some difference between humans and Koko in kind of intelligence, which there isn't.

>>8459946
When's the last time you saw anyone other than a groid dancing around eating a human leg?

>>8459948
>Her using hand gestures instead of speech doesn't change anything.
Refer to
>>8459914
You seem to overestimate Koko's proficiency with language. Even its handlers have to admit that there is a lot of nonsense in between "meaningful" interactions. Definitely not suitable for IQ testing.

>>8459946
Did they do it out of desperation or did they pose to the cameras afterwards thinking they are manly or they actually accomplished something?
Your example doesn't even correlate with that disgusting video.

>>8459947
>It's not so much about "smart mutations" so much as it is about a constant narrowing.
A narrowing of what unless it's a collection of genes? Well do we know what those genes are?

>>8459941

what did i actually say? what i said is true. IQ isnt independent of education.

>>8459953

>Even its handlers have to admit that there is a lot of nonsense in between "meaningful" interactions.

How is that any different from the way black people communicate?

>>8459957
IQ is independent of education.

>>8459958
Nice zinger bro.
At least you're a little bit less ignorant now, bless your soul.

>>8459960

It's not a zinger, it's the truth.

>>8459962
>It's not a zinger, it's my truth.

fixed

>>8459930
i think you guys actually overestimate how well designed and validated iq tests are. i mean im not saying they are bad. im just saying they arent like amazing. IQ tests have changed little for a long time and i dont think they were designed in the best of ways.

and this is interesting

http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/intelligence.aspx

>>8459962
Then you're more ignorant than I gave you credit for.
I would imply you have low IQ but I suspect you wouldn't understand enough statistics to know that white people are routinely under 30 points of the average.

>>8459955

We know some of the genes but obviously no where near all thus the continued research. But from what we do know there are indeed genes that either do not appear in African populations or appear in such low frequencies that it is arguably to some negligible.

If you want I could look up some of them but they shouldn't be too hard to find just look up ncbi docs on regional/ medical genetics.

>>8459959
No wonder why they are all caged up lmao.

>>8459964

Koko sometimes using gestures that aren't recognized as standard sign language isn't an argument against the ability to give her an IQ test. It's not like there's a rule that you need to only use preexisting words or signs or else you're not really literate. If that were true, language would never develop into what it is now in the first place. "Nonsense" is the progenitor of meaning.

>>8459969

I'm not saying they're perfect, but they're the best thing we have for this purpose. And I definitely wouldn't consider them so flawed that their results don't matter at all.

>>8459589
But race is a cultural construct

>>8459947

what you said means nothing unless you can separate genetic and environmental contributions to interracial IQ differences.

i still dont get why the populations would have to have a higher average and not a lower one.

>>8459977
First off, Koko doesn't use standard sign language at all.
Second if you have to repeat the question several times and you get random noise for a lot of tries, except when the handlers think something it's saying something interesting then of course you can't give it a multiple choice test , are you retarded?

>>8459975
First damage control pic in any monkeys butthurt folder lmao. Doesn't make anyone here forget your crime statistics koko.

>>8459972
>But from what we do know there are indeed genes that either do not appear in African populations or appear in such low frequencies that it is arguably to some negligible.
>If you want I could look up some of them
That would be helpful to know which genes you're talking about, yes.

>>8459989

>Koko doesn't use standard sign language at all.

Koko uses standard ASL signs. Again, just because not every single one of her gestures is a standard ASL sign doesn't mean she doesn't use it at all.

http://www.koko.org/sign-language

>>8459565
Natural Selection from millenia ago.
>>8459567
Dogs are even dumber than that yet thrive.
>>8459579
Thats a 40 point difference between us whites and blacks that aint no malnutrition dude and you know it.

>>8459959
its been shown that educational intervention and number of years you spend in school moderates IQ.

>>8459997
>http://www.koko.org/sign-language
That's pretty much the definition of bias. Get your sources from peer reviewed articles.

>>8459999
No it doesnt retard, this is /sci/ this is the board THAT PROVES GENETICS DETERMINES HOW SMART YOU ARE, they even have a term for the genetically stupid brainlet.

>>8459999
Where? This is /sci/, not reddit.

>>8459959
bait

>>8459982

yeah i know but people are bandying about that they are supposed to be independent of education and culture and place and what not when they really arent that sophisticated. but that doesnt mean they dont have good predictive value. they just arent amazing.

>>8460006
not an argument

>>8459982
I'm pretty sure you can raise your IQ points when you're familiar with those problems. I'm convinced a person with a masters in physics would scare higher on the IQ test than before he started his major.

>>8459986

>what you said means nothing unless you can separate genetic and environmental contributions to interracial IQ differences.

But that has already been shown through diet, particularly the iodine deficiency and prenatal malnutrition.

>i still dont get why the populations would have to have a higher average and not a lower one.

Read the post again anon, I explicitly said that it explains why indigenous Australians and non Inuit Amerindians have lower IQ averages than Eurasians. The net "benefit" isn't guaranteed and in some cases can result in even lower averages than the base it diverged from (see indigenous Australians).

>>8459959
Why would these animals do something so disgusting and horrible? What the hell is wrong with them?

>>8460009
Recognising bait was never meant to be an argument. It's a warning sign for people not to respond further.

>>8460015
stop responding

>>8460014
Blacks may look human but psychologically they are mentally impaired psychopaths, what the nigger did was harm another human for fun its all a game to them human suffering is a game to them. You also cannot make them understand why what they did was wrong because they have no empathy.

>>8460015
It's a cop out because you can't handle views contrary to your own.

>>8460017
>>8460015
Ok both of you stop already.

>>8460021
ok just stop

cancer thread, nuke it

>>8460018
I bet you think there's no Africa language with the concept of time too lol.

>>8459583
China lies about their numbers. Everyone knows but there's nothing you can do.

>>8460035
stop crying Tyrone. nothing will bring your IQ up

>>8460003

http://www.pnas.org/content/109/2/425.short

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Timothy_Bates/publication/234018616_Education_Is_Associated_With_Higher_Later_Life_IQ_Scores_but_Not_With_Faster_Cognitive_Processing_Speed/links/54f059540cf2432ba65a5e03.pdf

>>8460033
They had no concept of time, whiteys taught them what time was.

>>8459565
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982205002095

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369848613000460

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/298/5602/2381.full

http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1455.html

http://www.pnas.org/content/94/9/4516.full

http://genome.cshlp.org/content/14/9/1679.full

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7571/full/nature15393.html

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/tan.12165/abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2271140/

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707610015

Stop feeding these lame /pol/ posts

>>8460038
I didn't say Japan's were faked, though. Japan is legit. China is pure shit in all regards and is only getting worse.

>>8460011

yeah but their IQs are better than africans arent they?

theres a difference between showing that environment has an affect on IQ and showing how much of the difference between two populations is due to environment.

>>8460050
Then stop crying Akira

>>8460048

what are you trying to say with ur papers?

>>8460048
Post all the science shit you want BUT BECAUSE BLACKS ARE STILL THE DUMBEST GROUP OF HUMANS ON EARTH IT PROVES THEY ARE GENETICALLY STUPID FUCKS.

Reality is a better objectifier than some egghead's writing.

>>8460059
AYO HOL UP

>>8460059
>Reality is a better objectifier than some egghead's writing.
falseflag

>>8460059
Even his cherrypicked papers prove him wrong. I told him about that before but apparently his dumbfucking ass is too lazy to actually read them.

>>8460054
http://world.time.com/2013/12/04/china-is-cheating-the-world-student-rankings-system/

China cheats at everything in regard to numbers, including their economic and military power.

>>8460064
Are you just throwing out random nomenclature?

>>8459565
is that purple dot on SK singapore?

>>8460070
no, but you're trying to make a certain group of people look bad by making claims like the one I quoted

>>8460066
>>8460059

y'all seriously make me worry for the world

we have talked about this and i have read every single article, all showing how usesless race is as a categorical tool for genetics

>>8460067
>/world.time.com
Oh boy I sure am convinced now.

>>8460076
Bantus make themselves look bad.

>>8460066
Again if blacks were not morons they would not constantly fail at every education level, you cannot explain HOW WHITES/LATINOS/ARABS/ANYTHING THAT ISNT BLACK always does better than them in education.

More importantly the most dangerous cities are the ones with the highest black populations
>But muh white psychopaths
ALL BALTIMORE MURDERS THIS YEAR WERE DONE BY BLACK PEOPLE.

>>8460077
AYO HOL UP THER

>>8460077
Oh shut up that your human egoism talking

NO NO WAY IM NOT JUST A ANIMAL THAT CAN BE BIOLOGICALLY CLASSIFIED IM IM SPECIAL I AM UNIQUE.

Even further evidence race is real is the fact we whites seem to have some genetic mindless impulse to always help people.

>>8460077
At last I truly see that race doesn't exist. Thank you professor Rosenstein.

>>8460077

this isnt about categorical tools though. this arguments slightly different. hypothetically rather than saying whites are smarter than blacks you could replace it with a gradient across geographical space.

>>8460089
The black in that video doesnt know that kid, its just typical black behavior of mindlessly attacking humans for fun.

There is a reason why blacks were kept far away from us white people, you stupid fools who keep thinking these jungles savages are people will learn of their true nature the moment you take a step in their areas rather your little cozy suburbs you sheltered fucks!!

>>8460090
That gradiant can be setup on on countless meme factors one can decide to group people on.

Grouping by blood type is one for example.

>>8460077
>y'all seriously make me worry for the world
Whats with all these moralfags in STEM?

>>8460096

>There is a reason why blacks were kept far away from us white people

Abraham Lincoln originally wanted to send them back to Africa after emancipation, but then he was killed.

>>8460100
No he didn't he knew the plan was pretty flawed and impossible to implement since logistics, stability, labour force and other issues made it pretty much a joke.

Holy fuck, you guys need to calm down with the arguing.

>177 posts
>37 unique posters

Black people are savages who need to be fucking gassed, but "Ohh, they just need help, you need to teach them better".

>>8460104
Had no problem buying them and shipping them over though.

>>8460090
I realize it is different from the original topic. But every single one of these posts always devolves into a race/genetics/intelligence debate.

>geographical space.
Right, that is what some of those articles talk about. And even more specifically how geographical spaces no longer segregate communities like they previously did creating different general genetic makeup. Physical geography, what language you speak, what color your skin is, what country you were born in are not determing factors for intelligence. The gradient should be across socio-economics and environment.

Ultimately i dont have an issue with the data from OP, but rather how people misappropriate it and reduce it to racial dogma.

>>8460110
Race isnt skin color you dumbass, HAVE YOU EVER FUCKING LOOK AT THE SKULL SHAPE OF BLACKS BEFORE?

I hope all of you fools that see blacks are buddies get culturally enriched in the future, hopefully your offspring get beaten the shit out of and murdered by blacks in the future fucking liberal shit.

This thread is cancer. This shit belongs in /pol/

>>8460099
Not about morals, but rather appropriate use of logic and facts.

>>8460096
Confirmation bias really does keep you warm in your snuggly little hugbox, eh?

Why si ti so hard for people to accept that genes influence IQ and that not all poopulations have the same average IQ? Some on the genes have already been identified, the debate should be over.

>>8460119
>Maybe this will do the trick and make them magically forget the shit eating grin on his face as he joyfully assaulted an innocent kid.
Back in your cage koko, enough shitposting for today.

>>8460119
I grew up in suburbs I never knew about the black cancer until I interacted with these deranged psychotic apes in middle school, at first I thought they were just assholes and didnt racially connect them, but as time passed it appeared as though the vast majority of them acted the same, similar hellish conditions are found wherever they exist, then I find a book on blacks made a long time ago and found connections to the behaviors in the book to the modern time.
>>8460119
Facts are HUMANS ARE ANIMALS THUS CAN BE BIOLOGICALLY GROUPED INTO RACES.

>>8460110

>what color your skin is

>We're all just one human race, goyim.

>>8460120
Human egoism, these liberals on sci have no issue calling white anons brainlets or retards for having low genetic IQs but bring up a black and they are like UHH WE ARE THE SAME.

>>8460110

the worst is when people claim iq differences are completely genetic when there has been no study ever that has been able to look at the heritability of racial differences in IQ.

and then people make up these unfalsifiable/untestable hypotheses about europeans needing to be smarter in the past. and we dont even know how much selection pressure there has been on IQ across different parts of the world. if any.

>>8460129
how the hell do they think they can convince anyone with pure shitposting? Theyre getting more desperate with each post.

>>8459565
because they lack proper education- whether you realize it or not, the countries that have higher IQs have more rigid schooling systems

what really irks me about this is why do Italians and Mongolians have a higher average than any other EU member state?

>>8460120
>genes influence IQ and that not all poopulations have the same average IQ? Some on the genes have already been identified, the debate should be over.

Right, i agree. But the argument doesn't stop there. They are trying to link the idea that your nationality necessarily defines your genes in relation to intelligence, which is incorrect. There is no evidence that the specific markers for intelligence are more or less likely to exist based on what continent you came from. Which is what all the articles i posted specifically state.

And more than that its sad to see how poorly people argue. I posted those articles on /pol/ and actually found a guy i had a great time arguing with, while most everyone else was just shitposting like on this thread.

>>8460126
I am guessing all of these people have clean police records, Yes?

>>8460130
The very existence of the Ashkenazi jew proves THAT DNA DETERMINES INTELLIGENCE.
>>8460132
Blacks had no education systems before colonialism why would you expect these tribal subhumans to care about learning shit beyond surviving in the jungles of Africa?

>>8460130
here here

>>8459994

Hapmap, haplotype listings
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/variation/tools/1000genomes/

Pigmentation and cluster differences
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491390/#!po=8.64486

Phylotree
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875176815302432

Allele distribution by migration
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267126/

African Diversity, Disease mapping
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953791/#!po=8.79310

>>8460139

yes i very much doubt that there are no genetic variations that influence IQ variation.

The question is, how much do they influence it compared to environmental factors?

People have a funny way of assuming that just because we can show genes influence IQ scores, it means it influences most of it.

>>8460131
Im curious about the arguments on the other side. Are there links? Are there arguments? Because i found none in all 150+ posts logically supporting the connection between geographical location/nationality and intelligence.

>>8460129
Yeah, I hope us Westerners get over it and get to work on genetic engineering.

>>8460133
>There is no evidence that the specific markers for intelligence are more or less likely to exist based on what continent you came from.
Pretty sure there is. Gene frequencies vary between populations.

>>8460132
I would have guessed italians had one of the lowest in europe. lazy fuckers.

>>8460133
This hypocracy is incredible the level of denial is amazing, you just cant admit it, we can easily group the average intellect an animal species but trying this on subdivision of humanity is just wrong or evil or as you put in your bullcrap moral faggot terms not scientifically valid.

There has no test that proves any species wise IQ equality among humans to begin with.
>>8460145
Yes anon little Lucy that invented a plasma gun wouldnt be smart Lucy if she didnt read her books. Geniuses are proof nurture is bullshit, most geniuses grew up in poor conditions yet look what they did, your just a egotistical human that cant stand the idea YOU ARE JUST A FUCKING ANIMAL.

>>8460146

theres surprisingly little information on it actually. alot of it seems to come from these 2 psychologists. forgot their names but one is a notorious racist and eugenicist.

>>8460145
>The question is, how much do they influence it compared to environmental factors?
In the US there have been many attempts at bridging the IQ gap between Whites and Blacks, and nothing has worked. And by that I mean that nothing has had any effect at all.

Daily reminder that these threads are made by a Greek olivenigger /pol/fag

>>8460152

why are you looking using geniuses a

>>8460052

>yeah but their IQs are better than africans arent they?

Non Inuit Amerindians have IQs comparable to North Africans while Indigenous Australians arguably have lower IQ averages to most sub-saharan populations matching only with Khoisan of South West Africa.

>>8460158
Geniuses are the proof that nurture has no overall significant effect on the intelligence of a human, you cannot raise your IQ no matter what you do asshole, your intelligence is determined by neural connection based on your genes.

The intelligence of all life on earth is caused by DNA why on earth would one species of walking bipedal apes be exempt from this rule?

>>8460157
and? do you have a point koko?

>>8460152
you cant use individuals as evidence for heritability scores. heritability is only relevant across a population.

ofcourse geniuses might have exceptional genes for intelligence but that still doesnt tell you about heritability in a population and that doesnt mean environment doesnt have an impact on them.

>>8460168
If the most intelligent of humankind is more DNA than nurture then that applies to all of humanity, you people know downies exist yet say such nonsense.

>>8459710
europe is way less fertile than a whole lot of other, less-developed, places

>>8460108
To Africa or To Liberia?
You do know that Slaves existed in America before Lincoln?

>>8460164

>why on earth would one species of walking bipedal apes be exempt from this rule?

Not that anon but that one species of walking bipedal apes can record and save information on mediums that extend beyond their biological life span. Just the sheer teaching of this technique alone has skyrocketed man's academic ability.

Introducing said technique(s) to individuals in cultures who have yet to utilize this can prop up geniuses relative to their population.

So genius isn't necessary a proof of the complete invalidation of nuture.

>>8460120
>Some on the genes have already been identified

which ones?

>>8460183
Did you know that dolphins,crows and Orcas can learn, also you dont seem to understand intelligent really is either, you think. Learning is useless if you mentally cant do it thats why most humans terrible are science because our brains are not wired for that advanced level of processing.

>>8459565
In countries whom recently got education up to western standards the IQ has risen dramatically.

I'm amazed at all you retards who just sit and your TLDR comments out of your ass but dont even google the subject.

Instead you just extrapolate this vague "is because africa running good, but retarded" global /pol/ fucking bullshit.

I wonder what the average diet of /pol/ looks like

>>8460176

its quite frustrating because asking about what makes an individual person smart is actually a very different question to why people's smartness varies.

just because a guy has a higher IQ than you, and that appears to be due to genetic variation, doesnt mean that there is no environmental influences that have shaped his intelligence or ones that can shape his intelligence.

>>8460188
DNA is absolute retard, a slight genetic imbalance in serotonin can make you a depressed fuck for life.

>>8460188
An ineloquent and long-winded way of saying "I'm a cuck and I deny what I see with my own eyes".

>>8459901
No I won't.

>>8460191
He has no issues calling most white people inbred rednecks but calling blacks feral retards is haram.

Diseases due to poor sanitation and polution among children hinders their brain development in comparison to healthy living environments.

>>8460190
The illusion that humans have any sort of control over their personalities is probably due to empathy, psychopaths cannot change their ways meaning they cant bypass their fixed genetic behavior, what is it that makes a child act differently in an area it is the empathy thus humans truely are mindless slaves to their DNA.
>>8460197
40 POINT IQ DIFFERENCE.

>>8460184
Here's a paper:

http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v20/n2/abs/mp2014188a.html

and here is a blog by one of the leading scientists in the field(I sorted for releveant posts):

http://infoproc.blogspot.com/search/label/cognitive%20science

>>8460194
>inbred rednecks
oh my thats a shitty insult from like 60s. didn't whitey do anything wrong to help them come up with more insults? jeez

>>8460201
Environment can modifie your DNA retard. Just think in cancer.

>>8460157
oh for sure

>>8460152
>we can easily group the average intellect an animal species but trying this on subdivision of humanity is just wrong or evil or as you put in your bullcrap moral faggot terms not scientifically valid.


That is kind of the point. Humans are not animals. At one point geographical features were enough to separate groups of humans for thousands of years at a time, therefore developing a narrowing of genetic variation leading to what you might call a race or culture. Still happens with animals. The frog in my backyard will not find its way to china and add genetic variation to chinese frogs. Where as humans very readily move geographic locations, thus increasing genetic variation to the point where (and it is described in all the published articles above) there is little genetic difference between individuals of different skin color/geographic location/nationality/race etc...

And dividing the world up into discrete populations is also not scientifically useful. Rather a continuous descriptions is more apt for our now genetically diverse world.


And just for kicks since /pol/ can't make an argument to save their lives, ill post some links.
These make for fantastic arguments when taken out of context, just make sure to cherrypick.


Twin Studies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0_NsS1Zdlk

College Scores
http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

Heritability of intelligence
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html

Heritability of IQ among whites
http://www.latlmes.com/world/psychologyuwoca/faculty/rushtonpdfspppl1pdf-1

>>8460204
REVEALED: SCIENTISTS MAKE BREAKTHROUGH DISCOVERY THAT AFRICA CLEAVES DNA

>>8460191

im literally gonna quote wikipedia now.

Heritability estimates are often misinterpreted if it is not understood that they refer to the proportion of variation among individuals on a trait that is the result of genetic factors. It does not indicate the degree of genetic influence on the development of a trait of an individual. For example, it is incorrect to say that since the heritability of personality traits is about .6, that means that 60% of your personality is inherited from your parents and 40% comes from the environment.

Even a highly heritable trait (such as eye color) assumes environmental inputs which are required for development: for instance temperatures and an atmosphere supporting life, etc.

http://apcentral.collegeboard.com/apc/members/homepage/45829.html

"There is an important meaningful distinction between explaining the variation among traits and explaining the causation of the traits"

this is why you cannot use a genius as an example to support the idea that the difference between black and white IQ is mostly genetic.

its possible to have within-group heritability for the whole human race to be 100% and for between-group differences to be very low. its also possible for within group heritability to be different indifferent groups of people. e.g. rich vs poor, americans vs indians.

>>8460157

The greek stormfag? Fuck that guy

>>8460210
Say whatever you want, you would never denie the fact that you can teach a dog to sit although is not in his DNA to obey a human

>>8460207
There are five divisions of human based on the most common type of cranial physiology though. You keep saying this horseshit that grouping humans together is not useful of course its useful it helps us understand our species much better.
>>8460204
Thats nutrition fucktard we are talking about HURR JUST PUT THEM A NICE STABLE PLACE THEY WILL ACT CIVILIZED I SWEAR.

I dont accept any science paper on IQ heritability because its all liberal bullshit that is made to make people think IQ isnt a genetic absolute.

>>8460215
>dog recognizes specific sound
>responds to it based on what owner thinks

Gee you must have the brain of a supercomputer anon.

AGAIN KNOWLEDGE IS NOT THE SAME AS INTELLIGENCE YOU FUCKING RETARD.

>>8460215
Don't mistake learning for capability to learn.

>>8460214
who is he? my SJW protocol ordered me to blame white americans for racism. Are there new orders?

>>8460186

>Did you know that dolphins,crows and Orcas can learn

False equivalence anon, none of those animals have the same base biological tool set as humans.

>Learning is useless if you mentally cant do it

Except outside medical issues it has been shown all populations can learn and at the very least capable of social retention along with recording information which are the biggest aids to our development.

>thats why most humans terrible are science because our brains are not wired for that advanced level of processing.

Arguable, it can be accessed that not all humans are capable of similar thought process which is why some people are shown to excel in particular types of thinking such as visual or audio. This also explains why fields like math are so varied because some people don't mentally tackle problems the same way.

>>8460207

woops

here's the last one:
http://www.latlmes.com/world/psychologyuwocafacultyrushtonpdfspppl1pdf-1

im not saying genes dont contribute to intelligence which they obviously do, im talking about you cant say how much input there is to racial differences in IQ which is very different.

>>8460207
>Where as humans very readily move geographic locations, thus increasing genetic variation to the point where (and it is described in all the published articles above) there is little genetic difference between individuals of different skin color/geographic location/nationality/race
What?

>>8460141
Oh, I misunderstood. We were talking about intelligence, so when you said "But from what we do know there are indeed genes that either do not appear in African populations or appear in such low frequencies that it is arguably to some negligible." I thought you were claiming that there were genes shown to relate to brain development and neurochemistry found to be absent in African populations. But the links you provided don't show that at all, it's about skin pigmentation, eye color, and disease adaptation genes. So it doesn't look like anything relating to IQ has been found in the genes themselves.

On the flip side, I did find out that some scientists think the Blue eyes trait in Europeans may be related to dealing with Seasonal Affective Disorder, so that's neat.

>>8460219
So what's Intelligence for you?

>>8460222
>none of those animals have the same base biological tool set as humans.
They all have wrinkled brains with a neocortex.
>all populations can learn and at the very least capable of social retention along with recording information which are the biggest aids to our development.
Yes anon recording information is the same as learning kek.

>>8460227
Liberal nonsense, if there was very little genetic distance between us and blacks, they would look like Italians. Fact is Africans are the most genetically isolated group of humans on earth.

>>8460217
Yes, some things are discrete, some arent. So lets apply the appropriate method for the appropriate situation. Discrete is very different from continuous. Brains are better described discretely, and genetics are better described continuously.

>>8460223
Nice. these should be enough for me to ignore all the racial crime stats, IQ charts, graduation rates, employment rates and even that black guy eating another mans leg with a smile on his face.

Job well done ;)

>>8460217
Because you can find different skullshapes and facial features in all races in high numbers.

>>8460227
>>8460234

Actually it is peer-reviewed published scientific knowledge as posted above.

Do you have peer-reviewed evidence on the contrary or just more ad hominems?

Time to thin-out dat smart-juice in yo nutz, whiteboi..

I want a fuckin genious baby, ya hurd me?!

>>8460229

A review of intelligence GWAS hits: Their relationship to country IQ and the issue of spatial autocorrelation
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001087
"Published Genome Wide Association Studies (GWAS), reporting the presence of alleles exhibiting significant and replicable associations with IQ, are reviewed. The average between-population frequency (polygenic score) of nine alleles positively and significantly associated with intelligence is strongly correlated to country-level IQ (r = .91). Factor analysis of allele frequencies furthermore identified a metagene with a similar correlation to country IQ (r = .86). The majority of the alleles (seven out of nine) loaded positively on this metagene. Allele frequencies varied by continent in a way that corresponds with observed population differences in average phenotypic intelligence."

>>8460236
Brains are caused by genetics.
>>8460241
Common cranial shape you retard.

Speaking of facial features you tell a white apart from an ME based on their facial structure even though we have the same skull shape.

>racial crime stats
> IQ charts
>graduation rates
>employment rates
Correlation is not causation. I have posted papers that show specifically show a lack of cause.

>even that black guy eating another mans leg with a smile on his face.
confirmation bias

Enjoy your well crafted hugbox mate

>>8460234
Fact is, north-eastern africans are the most genetically diverse geopgraphical region on earth.

>>8460245
Anyone who believes intelligence isnt mostly genetic lives in a fantasyland.

>>8460245
You do know that you could send a saliva-sample to 23andme and receive details of your ancestry?

>>8460255
I thought it was middle east. They have the most haplogroups literally from all across the world.

>>8460253
>hugbox
We are bombarded with media that shows black in a positive light, 90 percent of all black crimes dont even make it to the newspaper either and black on white crime is literally censored. How is this a hugbox? Theres an obvious attempt by the government to hide the truth about blacks from us white people.

>>8460257
That is not the argument.

Intelligence is mostly genetic, i even posted a link that says that.

To then conflate race and intelligence is unsupported.

>>8460272
>confirmation bias
>hugbox
He is spamming the buzzwords he's been fed since he can't form arguments. Don't expect intelligent responses from people who defend these primitive apes who ruin the society and everything decent in this world.

>>8459923
>yet these conditions didn't produce moronic subhumans
Yes they did, that's literally where the word "cretin" comes from. It's the word the French gave to describe a population in the Alps that was so inbred and had such a lack of iodine that a significant portion of the population were born with severe birth defects

>>8460275
see
>>8460249

>>8460275
But to conflate species with intelligence isnt?

DOGS ARE DUMBER THAN HUMANS
LIZARDS ARE DUMBERS THAN HUMANS

Denial thats all you deny, unsupported I dont care about that I see with my own eyes the behaviorial differences between blacks and whites, I dont care about the genetic outliers you meet in outliers or at jobs, take a nice stroll to the nearest black infested place in your state and you will actually meet the AVERAGE NORMAL BLACK AMERICAN.

>>8460278
All of their arguments is garbage like UH UH THEY LOOK LIKE US ITS LIKE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO BE STUPID WILD ANIMALS NO WAY.

This is just pure stupidity around 140,000 B.C we humans were once stupid depraved animals like the blacks meaning it is possible for a human group to be subhuman psychologically yet the blacks is pardoned ONLY BECAUSE THE BLACK IS GENETICALLY HOMO SAPIEN.

>>8460294
They don't deny that blacks are the stupidest, they are just trying to find excuses for why they are the way they are, even blame other races for it.
It's just sad. At the end of the day, nothing will change. They will still be violent primitive apes with no future and we can only hope that they don't hurt another innocent soul until they OD on crack or die from a driveby

>>8460296
Are you smarter then that Ben Carson guy?

>>8460296
Indeed there is no hope for these subhumans if they were civilized they would had already had societies long before even we existed since it is very obvious they were on this planet a very long time say 30,000 years before us.

You can still find subhuman animalistic blacks on an island off the coast of India if that doesnt these people are deranged savages I dont what does maybe the fact EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY THEY CONTROL IS A THIRD WORLD CRIME RIDDEN SHITHOLE.

WHAT ABOUT THEIR CULTURE THEIR PRIMITIVE NEOLITHIC CULTURE ABOUT SEX AND BEING AN IMPULSIVE MORON

These jungle beast will remain the way they are until the sun blows up there is no hope for these negros they are not meant to be civilized they are just wild animals predators in Africa that use tools to survive, their limited human intelligence is wasted on them, a complete failure of a hominid group, they are better off as four legged african carnivores than humans.

The negro is truely the most disgusting human in all of history.

>>8460303
theres a difference between saying black people might have a lower iq and being racist.

/sci/ in psychology and college major threads:
>Psychology is a pseudoscience! It has no rigor and its conclusions are unfalsifiable!
/sci/ in IQ threads:
>IQ is an objective measure of intelligence, only low-IQ brainlets disagree!

>>8460321

It's almost like there are different people posting on this board and they don't all have the same opinions.

>>8460325
I don't buy it, the voice of the board is too unanimous in both kinds of thread. Some people want to have their cake and eat it too.

>>8460303

>You can still find subhuman animalistic blacks on an island off the coast of India if

Are you a fucking retard? The sentinelese people aren't black.

Now you're making the same exact mistake racial "scientists" made years ago in thinking the Polynesians were Negroes because they had phenotypical similarities.

You have just literally disqualified yourself in one post.

>>8460321
>/sci/ in IQ threads:
>/sci/
that's where you're wrong

>>8459565
is there possible to level up your IQ?
i mean, what if someone really likes a career with high expectations but they are just dumb

>>8460329

its because 4chan psychology posts are right leaning

>>8460338

i doubt it by much desu. some people say that working memory training or similar stuff can but its mixed.

https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=fluid+intelligence+training&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjc-6SJspXQAhXmDsAKHeRaDJ4QgQMIGjAA

what career?

>>8460321
Please tell me if someone is so smart, how can he not pass a silly little IQ test that requires no memorizing or taking courses? If you're not dumb, you should be able to score high.

It really is a trouble for brainlets and brainlets alone.

>>8460349
>IQ test
>pass
I'm getting baited again

>>8460349
>thinks he is supposed to get "IQ APPROVED" at end of iq-test

>>8460333
I know polynesians are not niggers, but the Sentinelese are niggers.
>>8460338
Nope unless you find some way to add glial cells to your neural tissues without rejection.

>>8460356
Sentinelese aren't even related to Africans one bit. Not even close.

>>8460356

>I know polynesians are not niggers, but the Sentinelese are niggers.

Then provide the respective link it anon.

>>8460362
>aren't even related to Africans one bit.
Everyone is descended from Africans dude.

>>8460362
Yes they are they are physiologically the same as blacks, and besides Australoids are just as subhuman as the blacks.

>>8460367
no genetic relation

>>8460363
>Sentinelese

no they arent you racist bastard.

>>8460367

fucking /pol/ bait troll

>>8460369
Yes genetic relation, they are the closest humans on earth to blacks retard.
>>8460378
The liberal nutjob thinks anything he doesnt agree with is either bait or trolling no I am completely serious.

>>8460381

im calling it out because its stupid and racist and saying physiologically the same as blacks is idiotic

>>8460391
>because its stupid and racist
So there is no logic then good to know.

>>8460405
not him, but you still need to get some proof for your claims, otherwise they don't mean much around here

>>8460406

just look on wikipedia, they related to east asians

>>8460405

*face palm*

this place is cancer

>>8460078
Yes yes, if it disagrees with your views it must be a bad source.

Please go back to gobbling cock, we'll pretend this exchange never happened.

>>8460408
Gimme a link and the sentences that prove your claims , saying "look there" doesn't count. When researchers cite other research, they don't say "oh there was this other article about stem cells, just check the wikipedia sources", they cite the research article and often the quote itself that proves their point.

>>8460410
See what I mean your responses are like a child going LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU.
>>8460406

>>8460420
Wasn't the argument about the relation of blacks with sentinelese, people living on the island southeast of India? Where does this tree put the Sentinelese? The pygmies it refers to are mbuti, so no relation there, and I can't find any other relation in the african branch. The other branches are pretty much irrelevant because they're too distinct anyway according to the tree. I don't see any evidence that blacks are the same or very close to sentinelese, let alone physiologically which is something both of you incorrectly conflated with genetic similarity.

Also, sauce on the tree? google doesn't turn up anything

>>8459565

To those saying it isn't just black people, ok then why the hell are only Haiti and Jamaica and all the other black west indies retarded ahahaha

>>8459610

Hey retard, you don't think there are deserts in any other place in the world?

These aren't Inuit we are talking about. They can be given a pass.

To your whole out of shape white people shit, there were societies that evovled without beasts of burden. Mesoamericans, for example, oh and they also lived in the jungles, with all those apex predators you talk about, and it offered 0 water as they had to use freaking cisterns as a major source of water.

Your whole history is so fucked up. Native American agriculture didn't advance very far? Fucking wut? They domesticated corn. Like holy fuck bro, do you know what the Three Sisters are? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Sisters_%28agriculture%29

go back to Africa nub

>>8460454
And they never invented the fucking wheel. All you're doing is proving his point, bad example.

300

>>8460484
Giving this thread the killing blow must be satisfying. Good for you.

>>8459583
Those chink son of a bitches stole the test answers.

>>8460415
What's the girl in the background looking at?

>>8460484
Too bad the bump limit on /sci/ isn't 300 so you will have to be triggered by reality for a little longer :^)

>>8459565
Greenland operates on another level.

They score the same as 1900 whites.
With the Flynn effect, 1900 whites would be 70 by today's standards.
Are you seriously saying that 1900 whites had a worse environment than today's sub Saharans?
If not, why are you comparing them?

>>8460546
1900's were pretty shit.
Also I think now it's they score on par with 1950's Europe.

>>8459565
>300 replies
This place never fucking changes

>>8460551
Pretty shit yeah, but only in terms of epidemiology and maybe environment pollution.
Would you say it's worse than Liberia, in any way at all? Would you say it's worse than Mali in any way? Worse than Eritrea? Worse than Gabon? Worse than the Congo? Worse than the Kalahari desert?

>>8460552
this is what happens when the mods don't do their jobs

>>8460571
It's not even the racism that triggers me it's the fact that we have this exact same thread over and over again yet every single time it gets 300 replies minimum. It's like some kind of time loop.

>>8460571
What's wrong with OP's question?

>>8460552
>>8460571
Look at pic related

>>8460584
OP Here.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the question I asked, and I even got a few thoughtful and informative answers. However, someone accusing me of being from /pol/ and a few others ended up bloating the thread up with idiotic posts.

>>8459565
We actually do have consistent theories of why this happens to be like this, but our theories end up labeled as "racist" and "divisive". We are not allowed to carry out anymore tests which classify Human intellect based on race.

To preface, I would like to assert of the validity of non-verbal IQ tests as tools for measuring Human intellectual complexity, up to a certain degree. IQ tests are, by design, made to be knowledge-independent. Any alien creature would be able to solve an IQ test if they possessed Human-like degrees of pattern recognition. Grades differing by up to 10% are usually considered within the confidence margin of an IQ test. When grades start to differ by over 10%, especially in whole population averages, we take a closer look to estimate the principal factors.

In some cases, food and metabolism are the responsible agents for a lack of intellectual development. This is true in small tribal areas of South America, Africa and SE Asia. However, the pattern for race-specific IQ goes beyond that, as it was observed that this pattern persists even in people whose origins are African, but live in prosperous societies and privileged households. Interracial citizen had IQs on average higher than their African "pure-breed" alternatives. While this might be intuitive at first, because genetic admixture is known to be beneficial to a population, interracial citizen had IQs on average lower than their secondary race, suggesting that intellectual complexity evolved linearly between generations. These were all studies carried out in the 70s and 80s, as from there on out, these topics created massive amounts of backlash against them. We are however lucky to have 1 more set of data that provides a causality link between IQ and race, and that is cerebro-cranial dimensions. It was consistently observed that, just like IQ, Africans possessed craniums that were on average 10 to 15% smaller than other races'. [1/ Word limit, continued below].

>>8460597
[source: my ass]

>>8460567
The 1900's in Europe were awful for the ones not in the big nations.

East Europe and Portugal were utter messes. Rural parts were very left behind and in cities were not any better and inequality and QoL were shit.

Africa is like that since the development of it's states (really it should be a nation by basis) varies heavily so yes you have your East Europe and Portugal. Also the Kalahari desert is in 3 nations that are considered one of the best in Africa.

>>8460597
This finding was also refuted by large numbers of academics, as correlation between brain size and computational complexity, while it exists, is relatively weak. However, the data is there, and the striking correlation between IQ and brain size should have been investigated further. This might have lent an interesting view into Human sub-population intellect and migration patterns. When there is a discrepancy, in science, you analyse and you attempt to get to the bottom of it. The bottom of it is often much more complex and interesting than what it appears to be. Sadly, because of academic and political pressure, this is the last of racial tests which were conducted.

The findings don't stop here though, and while it remains racist to make these connections academically, collateral raw data exist, and is starting to give us a better understanding of why such racial differences exist.

The most significant finding is proof of copulation between Neanderthals (N) and Homo-sapiens (HS). The genome between Ns and HSs is similar enough to make breeding feasible, and this was essentially a hidden renaissance for anyone interested in evolutionary intellect. If you look well at the map (while ignoring North America because it's a recent colony), there is an IQ gradient starting in Africa. In a way, there is some correlation between distance from Africa and IQ.

Let's talk about Neanderthals for a bit now. What do we know about them? They were smaller than HS. They were not as good runners as HS. But they had cranial capacities higher than that of HS, much higher. We are unsure if and how this translated into practical life. HS had evolved better weapons, while Ns seemed to have created musical instruments earlier than HS. From tomb structures and rituals, it was also deduced that Ns were much less social than HS and copulated much less, which might have been one of the leading causes leading to their extinction. [2/ Word limit, continued below].

>>8460645
We're talking about Northwestern Europe and North America here of course... I don't care about Iberia and Eastern Europe.
IQ was always normed on the Brits, and most early testing was done there and in the US, and I think you would agree they had better living conditions than practically all of sub Saharan Africa today, yet still would score the same on today's IQ tests.

>>8460436
>>8460416

holy shit just go search "sentinelese" on fucking wikipedia, go down to where it says genetics and go see theyre fucking related to malaysians or some shit.

>>8460653

dude theyve done recent meta-analyses on brain size and find that it accounts for about 6 - 10% of IQ variation.

>>8460616
It's 3:30am, and I'm on my laptop. I have access to journals at work, not here. Anyways,

>>8460653
Neanderthal (N) remnants were found in Eastern Asian countries dating much more recently than ones found in the Middle-East and Europe, suggesting that Ns lived and copulated more with HS in East Asia. East Asians have around 20% more N DNA in them than Europeans. N genes may be some of the genes involved in Aspergers syndrome. There may be a link between N genes, brain size and human intellect. We will never know for sure because these studies will never be carried out, but future collateral data of psychiatric diseases associated with Neanderthal genes might lend us a view into this. /fin

>>8460719

wtf you talking about?

i read that neanderthals had bigger brains but their prefrontal cortex was less well developed than homosapiens.

>>8460733
That's what genetic admixture is about. You keep the stuff that suits you from the other race. Bigger PFC is better? Keep the bigger PFC. Got a larger temporal lobe? Cool, more memory and space for other shit.

It's not like we were fixated to an iron chair and subdued into have a cerebral transplant with Neanderthals.

>>8460754

i just dont know why youre talking about neanderthals thats all. i think youve singlehandedly de-/pol/ed this thread.

>>8460187
Big black cock

>>8459565
Need not kill, only separate and let them be among themselves. No help packs in the billions of dollars, why would they even bother making shit when it is given?

>>8459565
Because frontal lobe savages

The amount of IQ denialism and gene denialism on here is fucking disgusting. And yes, everyone here denies genes, which is why you are so desperate to just ignore them and say "no no, the IQ differences are clearly being caused by environment". Objectively speaking, you have no proof that environment is caused these differences, but there is far more for the genetic side. Poor African countries do depress intelligence, but that's only because their low IQ create such nations in the first place. Genes influence behavior, it's why certain animals, like beavers, evolved the type of behaviors that they do. A Beavers genes influences the type of environment they create with their behavior.