/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8427818
What about mathematical physics and in general, those physicists who are also mathematicians in their own right?

>>8427818
Nah, it doesn't exist. What else would you add in it?

>>8427818
>physics is applied math

math is just a tool, not a process that can be followed and it will just result into physics somewhere

>>8427836
Math is just Logic which is just a branch of Philosophy

>>8427818

>>8427818
>pure = better
F-

>>8428235
cringe

>>8427818
Physicists use maths though and chemists to a certain extent

>>8428235

>engineer is positioned as *more* pure than physicists
>literally depicted inside a physical rocket

I don't think you understand the concept of purity.

>>8428338

>Physicists use maths though and chemists to a certain extent

That's the point. Chemistry is applied physics and physics is applied maths.

>>8428235
so computer scientists are adam jensen?

I'm okay with that

>>8427853
This

I made picture, where engineers are in leftmost position. I fucking hate engineers. They make me pissed off saying shit about abstract math.
Math is fucking awesome and engineers are fucking retards!

>>8429650
Really made me think.
>>8429663
Really made me kek.

>mathematics
>pure
>cannot be known without symbol

>>8429663
THIS

>>8427818

What characteristic defines purity on this graphic?

If Math is your defining characteristic

Sociologists use statistics a lot so probably should be on other side of Psychologists. Also their profession is actually used in public policy decisions.

>>8427853
Which is just Tautology.

>>8427836
*cough*
Let's split some hairs and add a few


Aeronautics Aircraft design, construction, and navigation.

Anthropology The study of the origin, behavior, and the physical, social, and cultural development of humans.

Archaeology The study of past human lives by examining remaining material evidence.

Astronomy The study of outer space.

Astrophysics The branch of astronomy that deals with the physics of stellar phenomena.

Cartography The art or technique of making maps or charts.

Geochemistry The chemistry of the composition and alterations of the solid matter of the earth or a celestial body.

Geography The study of the earth and its features.

Geology The scientific study of the origin, history, and structure of the earth.

Geophysics The physics of the earth and its environment, including the physics of fields such as meteorology, oceanography, and seismology

Linguistics The study of language and phonetics.

Mechanics Design, construction, and use of machinery or mechanical structures.

Medicine The science of diagnosing and treating disease and damage to the body.

Meteorology The study of weather and atmospheric conditions.

Oceanography The exploration and study of the ocean.

Robotics The science of technology to design, fabrication, and application of robots.


Thermodynamics The study of relationships and conversions between heat and other forms of energy.

Don't forget

Gelotology The study of laughter.

Metrology The science of measurement.

Systematics The science of systematic classification.

>>8429758
*cannot be communicated without symbol
Fixed

>>8428235
No points for guessing who made this meme

>>8427818

>>8429780
Geloting at your effort for making this post

>>8429890
>romanticizing the proletariat
Get out, comrade.

>>8429926
It's funny that communists are so miserable and all they do is not work.

>>8429926
>>8429943
>Not getting the joke
>Samefagging
kys

>>8428349
Chemistry is also applied math

Read some papers on group theory and molecular structure

>>8429926
>proletariat
Maybe he is a serf.

>>8427853
>Math is just Logic which is just a branch of Philosophy
And the abstract of which is just linguistics

>>8427818

can you niggers explain me why chemistry is considered "applied physics"and not just a branch of physics today?
also OPs pic is retarded. there's a huge gap between biology and psychowizards

>>8430342
I don't get whats meant to be going on with the Philosopher there

>>8427818
I'm guessing philosophy didn't fit the image?

>>8427853
Mathematicians on suicide watch

>>8430376
he's about to hang himself

>>8428345

The engineer is in the background not giving a shit.

>>8429770
Psychologists also use a lot of statistics and sociology is not concerned with individuals but the system so it is logical to be in that way as it is going from broader to more specific the further you go to the right. Making public policy decisions without trying to understand humans individually and in more specific manner would be kind of limiting and results in failure of politicians as you can see how they just apply something without understanding human nature and just enrage the population even more.

>>8429770
>Also their profession is actually used in public policy decisions.
As are religion and feminism.

>>8429890

>another anon who doesn't understand what "purity" refers to

The whole point of the comic is it's arranging fields by how abstract they are. Farming would be one of the least abstract things you can do, it'd be over by the psychologists and sociologists if you arranged them correctly. The concept of "purity" is why the phrase "pure mathematics" exists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_mathematics

It's to distinguish mathematics that are purely abstract with mathematics that are used for specific real world applications like accounting or statistics.

>>8429770

>What characteristic defines purity on this graphic?

See:

>>8430510

It's about whether the field is purely involved in abstract idea or if it's instead involved with real world application of ideas.

Dear MODS,

Can we please have a rule banning "discipline-ranking" threads?

Please
Thank You

>>8427818
As a mathematician,
XKCD is cringe and so are these threads

These memes always neglect to add <field of phenomenon that the previous category cannot explain> inbetween each subject.

Physicw cannot explain every behavior of molecules with utter perfection, chemistry cannot explain every behavior of biological systems with utter perfection. When you realize each perspective is different because they set out to explain the world differently it all makes more sense.

Also philosophy is the best counterpart to any study, and people who poopoo it are objectively worse than people who respect it.

>>8428235
>he bought into the wages=worth meme

>>8430530

>Physics cannot explain every behavior of molecules with utter perfection

It can though. It'd just take more detail work than what anyone is comfortable with doing or looking at.

>chemistry cannot explain every behavior of biological systems with utter perfection

It can though. It'd just take more detail work than what anyone is comfortable with doing or looking at.

>>8430535
Nice memes, try not being an undergraduate before you offer an opinion though.

>>8430547
Thanks for correcting the record!

>>8427818

>>8430533
>Assmad Philosophy major detected
>>>/lit/

>>8430547

Not an argument. Also I don't even understand how you could disagree with that. The framework of chemistry lets you skip over a lot of physics details and focus on bigger picture molecular topics. The framework of biology lets you skip over a lot of chemistry details and focus on bigger picture cellular topics. Chemistry doesn't say anything that contradicts with physics and biology doesn't say anything that contradicts with chemistry. If you're going to prove your argument you'd have to show at least one example of a contradiction with the given field's preceding source field. Otherwise, you're admitting whether you realize it or not that the preceding source field has everything in it to cover the downstream field of focus, it would just be very inconvenient and more focused on details.

>>8430535
>more detail work than what anyone is comfortable with doing or looking at
oh please
you must have no idea what this actually entails, or else you would speak with more respect.

>>8430563

>respect

Do you know where you are right now? And if it makes you feel better:

>SO MUCH MORE detail work than what anyone is comfortable with doing or looking OMGGG

SCIENCE WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT?!

>>8430566
>Do you know where you are right now?

>Fresh off the boat, from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on 4chan by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is 4chan. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it.

>>8430566
What have you contributed to this field?
What is your point?

>>8430584

>What have you contributed to this field?

Not an argument.

>What is your point?

That this is wrong:

>>8430530

>Physics cannot explain every behavior of molecules with utter perfection
>chemistry cannot explain every behavior of biological systems with utter perfection

There isn't anything chemistry introduces that contradicts physics or biology introduces that contradicts chemistry. It's not true to say physics can't explain molecules or chemistry can't explain biology.

>>8430598
>Not an argument.
It's not the argument, it's just meant to clarify what I meant by respect.

>There isn't anything chemistry introduces that contradicts physics or biology introduces that contradicts chemistry. It's not true to say physics can't explain molecules or chemistry can't explain biology.

This is accurate, but when you say

>It can though. It'd just take more detail work than what anyone is comfortable with doing or looking at.

then it sounds like you don't realize the scale of this problem, and the fact that despite this difficulty, so many people are devoting their lives to these problems, and have been for a long time.

The fact is that in a large majority of applications, it's as yet completely impractical or infeasible, or simply unnecessary to look at such a "big picture" all the time.
In fact, computational approaches to things like physical chemistry are constantly advancing.

>>8430628

>impractical or infeasible

That's what I argued to begin with, that it's a matter of convenience, not lack of "perfection." Nothing's "missing" in physics, it'd just be like having to watch a movie by looking at each pixel of each frame separately. You wouldn't lose any information, but the focus of watching a movie at the scale we normally see it at makes higher level patterns / concepts more obvious / easier to understand.

>>8430638
>comfort
>convenience
I'm just saying, t's a question of feasibility, not convenience, or comfort.

>>8430651

I don't see a difference.

>>8430651

>>8430657
try a dictionary I guess, I'm all out

I'll just say: people work hard at this stuff, and it's always advancing. But it's not an issue of priorities within the industrial or academic communities, it only just is what it is right now, at this point in human history.

>>8430665

>try a dictionary

I did:

>>8430660

>>8430660
I'm not familiar with that definition, in my mind feasibility is closer to possibility than convenience.

"the possibility that can be made, done, or achieved, or is reasonable:"
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/feasibility

google's non-technical dictionary is generally garbage in my experience

>>8430665
Alright, but just read what I said here >>8430665, the semantics are irrelevant

>>8430672
Alright, but just read what I said here >>8430665, the semantics are irrelevant

>>8430673

>possibility

I think that gets back to the main point of the argument though. It's not impossible to explain chemistry with physics or biology with chemistry, it would just be absurdly difficult and detail driven to do it that way. Like trying to figure out a movie based on analysis of every individual pixel on every frame in its reel. The information would still be there, but you wouldn't want to try to figure it out that way.

>>8430526

>As a mathem-

Stopped reading there.

KYS.

>>8430679
>absurdly difficult
then we're on the same page

>>8430693
your hatred sustains me

>>8430561
I dont need a contradiction between fields to say physics is inadequate to describe everything in chemistry, so your entire argument is a waste of breath.

But go ahead, cling to your meme understanding of the world.

>>8430556
>hur hur you have an opinion therefore youre a philosophy major

Im in the hard sciences you autist.

>>8430598
Of course physics CAN explain biology, but that's not the point, it's descriptions are worse or inadequate.

>>8430555
shitty bait

Thats so wrong.

last one should be math, then comp engineering, then EE, then mechanical engineering.

>>8431457
But theologians are the most pure as they study the first cause/unmoved mover. Everything else is a result of that.

>>8427853
this

no matter how much of a meme a philosophy degree may be it's purer than math if we're going by that picture

>>8427853
No, logic was exiled from philosophy (they postmondernism nao) and annexed by math.

>>8431468
Postmodernism is simply the end point of logic

>>8431468
If you think literally all departments are "postmodern", or that logic is not central to philosophy, or that philosophy in general is not useful, then you're a fucking retard.

>>8431474
>arguing with STEMtards

>>8431462
Pretty sure he meant putting engineers over physicists. Like, how retarded can you be? lmao.

>>8431661
>philosophy in general is not useful
Of course it's useful! To trick other people into whatever state you want it is.

>>8430693
You're so cute

>>8431661
Modern Philosophy is dead. Read what the Greeks have said and move on.

>>8431474
The "end point" meaning the "death of".

>>8430342
>Thanks for the math you autists!
Kek, this really does hit the nail on the head.

>>8430747
Underrated