/sci/ - Science & Math

yes, sure.

What is intrinsic value at all?

>>8406664

In the strict sense and insofar as, as nearly as we can tell, the world itself is devoid of instrinsic value, yes, math has no intrinsic value.

However as any thoughtful person who is busy with actually living in the world can tell you, the capacity for quantitative abstract reasoning which is the content of mathematics, is immediately and helpfully applicable to the rest of science, medicine, supply chains, modern work in general, and so on. So it's pretty clear that math has a value, it's just that that value is a localized "in-this-life" thing that we use to hopefully make our lives easier and more pleasant, and not intrinsic value-as-such. But distinguishing between these two is academic, and so the average person is completely uninterested in the distinction, stopping short of full intellectual honesty at the point of saying that "math is useful" if he is properly educated and actually understands that it is a good thing to be able to do elementary algebra during the ten minutes that the power goes out, once in a while. Further, some of us are autistic enough to genuinely enjoy studying it and doing it for its own sake, even having made such a broad admission as the one at the beginning of this post.

>it's yet another philosophy thread where 5 faggots have semantic arguments about unfalsifiable bullshit
>not a single equation was found
>on a math/science board

>>8406688
science needs philosophy

>>8406691
Science is just too polite to tell philosophy to bugger off.

Science is a philosophy, really.

>>8406664
Pleasure has intrinsic value and I find doing math pleasurable, so no.

>>8406702
>this is what scientismist redditors actually believe

why does every shitposting thread on /sci/ get filled with pedantic pseudo-intellectuals responding seriously? is it just an advanced form of shitposting, or do the autists here really think that anyone other than other pedantic pseudo-intellectuals care?

asking for a friend btw

>>8406664
This thread has been repurposed. It is now a Grimes thread.

Post only Grimes.

>>8406871
Grimes.

>>8406873
Grimes.

>>8406878
Grimes.

>>8406880
Grimes.

>>8406882
Grimes.

>>8406885
Grimes.

grimes is ugly

>>8406888
Grimes.

>>8406894
Grimes.

>>8406898
Grimes.

Grimes.

>>8406892
I'm sorry you have difficulty appreciating the female form, Anon.

>>8406936
Grimes.

>>8406939
Grimes.

>>8406946
Grimes.

>>8406950
Grimes.

hey guys, i noticed you were posting pictures of grimes so i thought id add my favourite picture of her. thanks.

>>8406957
heres one with a higher resolution in case anyone wants it. thanks

>>8406955
Grimes.

>>8406957
Grimes.

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9XKLqGqwLA
A lot of Grimes.

>>8406961
Grimes.

>>8406964
Grimes.

>>8406970
Grimes.

>>8406973
Grimes.

>>8406976
Grimes.

>>8406978
Grimes.

>>8406980
Grimes.

>>8406983
Grimes.

>>8406986
Grimes.

Okay, I think this thread has a sufficient Grimes SNR.

>>8406866
>>8406871
haha, pedantic pseudo-intellectuals BTFO

>>8406664
Can we all agree nothing has intrinsic value?

>>8406997
The universe seems to disagree.

>>8406664
>>8406674

Pragmatic value - training to understand complex math does wonders for decision making if you remain balanced out.

Intellectual value - the observed structure of reality can only be properly visualized with a very solid understanding of math.

Aesthetic value - shits beautiful as shit

If you're talking about intrinsic value outside a given affected agent than you're retarded.

>>8407210
>Intellectual value - the observed structure of reality can only be properly visualized with a very solid understanding of math.
Nonsense.

>>8406702
This just hurts to read

>>8407212
I disagree

>>8407212
Visualized perceptually, not intellectually. That would be through philosophy.

>>8407210
>Pragmatic value - training to understand complex math does wonders for decision making if you remain balanced out.

Math illiterate here, could you expand?

>>8406702

>>8406664
Three logicians enter a restaurant and the waitress comes over and asks if everyone wants coffee. The first one says "I don't know". The second one says "I don't know". The third one says "yes".

>>8407615
Awesome

>>8407637
This reminds me of Einstein's puzzle 99% of people can't answer:

Three gnomes are taken to a sorcerer's lair. They are shown five hats, three of which are white and two of which are black. They are then blindfolded and one of the hats is placed on each gnome's head. The gnomes are then placed in a way that, when the blindfolds are removed, they can see the hats of the other two but not their own. The sorcerer then claims he will let them go if any of them can guess their hat colour correctly, and will turn all of them into frogs if any of them gives a wrong answer. The gnomes are silent for a few minutes until one of them answers correctly.

What colour is the gnome's hat if they know the hats are from the collection shown to them and none of them is retarded? Remember, even Einstein and Gödel got this wrong, and Grothendieck became a hermit to solve this.

>>8407727
There are three possible combinations:
3 white hats
2 white hats, 1 black hat
1 white hat, 2 black hats

If any gnome would see 2 black hats, he'd immediately know his own hat and say it. Since that doesn't happen, option three is out.

Every gnome knows now that there are either 3 white hats or 2 white hats and a black hat. Seeing two white hats means nothing, since you can still have the black hat yourself. So any gnome that sees two white hats stays silent at first. On the other hand, seeing a black and a white hat would immediately tell the gnome his own hat color (white). Again, that doesn't happen.

Therefore, all gnomes see two white hats and conclude that their own hat is white as well.

>>8407734
Welcome to Mensa!

>>8407727
I ask the sorcerer if he can turn me into a little girl

>>8407760
I can do that. Not with magic, but with scissors and knives. Just come here. You will become a real girl. I can also make you smaller with a saw and maybe a vacuum cleaner to suck some fat out of you.

Hmm... This thread might need more Grimes.

In time...

>>8407734
Great one. How did you notice the "silent for a few minutes" part?

I always forget to analyze these "neutral" sentences.

It happened the same when I tried to solve another Einstein's problem.

>>8407818
It took me years to prove it implies a white hat. Einstein was a great man. Not only did he avocadocate the quantum mechanics with his famous phrase "God plays dice", he was also a bright mathematician proving stuff about polynomials and a brilliant director who directed a film about Alexander the Great.

>>8406675
can't believe how strange it is to be anything at all

>>8406997
except Grimes

>>8408305
This. Grimes is the one thing of true intrinsic value, that which affords value to all else.

Now you know how the universe works.