/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8313858
ELON ON SUICIDE WATCH
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My dream of retiring in 40 years to a Moon Base are slipping further away. I already gave up on mars.

Is this the first reused rocket?

Why black? Looks more like a fire than an explosion.

>>8313858
did they turned on the emDrive?

>>8313866
Yeah it is the reused rocket. Probably blew up with a fuel pressure test. Maybe stress cracks from the first launch. But I thought they x-rayed it.

>conducting routine test firing

Damn you kraken...!

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>>8313882
Negative, this one's brand new.

>>8313858
>trying desperately to get to mars
>rockets keep mysteriously blowing up
I wonder...

>>8313903
This really makes you think uh

>>8313858
Elon was allegedly injured in the explosion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

>>8313858
musky gonna be whipping his engineers real hard for a month at least

Live stream of the launch site
https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

>>8313874
Burnin' RP-1 most likely

>>8313916
>https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
mother fucker.

>>8313916
>>8313921
Actual livestream on CNN's facebook page. Can't link due to spam filter.

>>8313858
>Spayce Sex Rokkets
what a convenient explosion

https://twitter.com/JesseHawilaKCTV/status/771340470156787712

>>8313858
B-but it's not Elons birthday...

B-b-but I thought reusability is gonna drop launch costs by a factor of a thousand because it makes space launch like air travel and not throwing away a Jumbo Jet equivalent after each flight and stuff.

>>8313946
Not a reused rocket.

>>8313946
Jumbo jets can still crash.

>>8313946
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>>8313946
doesnt matter anyhoo.
space sex rokkets are a meme and not real

>>8313946
Why do you hate America?

I hope no one was injured

>>8313960

reports say no one was injured

So from the reports I've seen it looks like they had already integrated the payload prior to the test. RIP Amos-6

>>8313972
Wiki page for Amos-6 is already says that it exploded.

>>8313980
>is already says

>>8313987
You would think they would figure out a way to have putting in the payload be the very last thing they do before launch.

>>8313996
(Whoops, didn't mean to quote.)

>>8313996
They did, Look at JCSAT Static fires

>>8313882
>>8313866
No, it is a new rocket.

Payload was a Facebook satellite for their new bullshit. It is a good thing it blew up.

SpaceX BTFO

>>8313892
underrated comment, i guess this is what ksp retards do now that the vg general is fucked up

>>8313946
Why do you hate scientific progress?

>>8314008
>Facebook satellite
fuck this gay earth

>>8313946
fuck you you piece of shit, you root for the corporation that wasted billions on dollar on a complex machine that kills 14 astronauts, so yeah

if spacex blows up a billion more rockets it will merely start to catch up with the failures of ula corrupt corporation machine of stealing

>>8314021
>>8313959
>>8314024
Why do you drink the kool-aid?

>>8314028
What are you even talking about?

>>8314028
haha, why are you objectively wrong forever and probably a basement dweller with no education? (inb4 youre not, cause you are)

>>8314033
SpaceX is a hoax

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLE-ocDoXrs

I think Elon wanted this.


The payload was an israeli satellite worth 85 million

https://web.archive.org/save/http://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-satellite-explodes-on-rocket-in-Cape-Canaveral-466629

Praise Kek.

>>8314056
It was a facebook satellite, not an Israeli satellite
Not much difference though

based Elon, now he will focus on going to the moon. Mars was a pipe dream anyway.

THINK ABOUT IT FOR A GODDAMN MINUTE YOU FUCKING IDIOT RETARDED CIS SCUM WHITE PATRIARCHAL NON THINKERS

LISTEN TO THE COMMUNISTE ENLIGHTENERS THAT IS ME AND I WILL ENJOY OPENING YOUR MIND:


SPACEX

IS REVIOLUTOIN

REVOLUTION OF THE TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT

AND TECHONOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT IS POLITICAL ADVANCEMENT TO THE COMMUNISM

COMMUNISM FOLLOWS CAPITALISTIC IT IS ORDERED BY MARX AND KNOWN BY ALL TOP GOD TIER UNIVERSITIES SO DONT ARGUE OR YOURE FOREVER INFERIOR TO ME AND LOST YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK TO ME FOREVER

SO TO AVOID REVOLUTION THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY

I MEAN
COME ON
OVIOUSLY SPACEX WAS ABOUT TO REVOLUTION TTHHE ROCKET LAND
THE ROCKET REIGNITES, WHATS MISSING

REALUNCH, so its OBVIOUS ROCKET WAS THIS CLOSE TO BRING PRICES DOWN TO FOREVER OF LOWER

BUT ALL OF THE OTHER NON COMPETITORS THAT WEREA BOUT TO GO BROKE AND LOST MONEY WERE GONNA YOU EXPECT THEm
jhaha
oh poor little kiddy
for an inferior youre stupidy too and mighty not good i might add

YOU EXPECT A GUY WHO WERE ABOUT TO LOSE MONEY AND COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT TO LOSE MONEY NOT TO DO THAT SOMEHTING? MY SHAMES HAHA TO YOU

So they blew up spacex rocket to prevent them from winning over all of them the rest

>>8313957
>>8314055
this

>>8314031
>>8314033
It's over your fucking losers, this meme has finally blown up (literally). No-one is ever going to Mars. Musk is a charlatan.

I don't get it why this so much hate for SpaceX and Elon Musk.

Seriously, we should be happy that someone is trying to put humanity space tech in the next step. No matter who is this or what company is doing that. You guys are poeple with no personality, hating Elon Musk because these days seems that it makes you look cooler, but if it was for people like you we would still living in fucking caves. Fuck you all, miserable people.

Dicks out for Elon

>>8314073
Stop trolling, take that shit to >>>/b/

>>8314065
What did you just say?

>>8314078
He worded it like a crazy hobo, but he's right.

It's obvious that it was sabotage. Spacex is on the brink of making many multi billion dollar business obsolete overnight...

is it any wonder that they resorted to violence to stop him?

>>8313858
should have used the meme drive DeSu

>>8313858
IT'S OKAY WHEN ELON MUSK DOES IT

>>8314008
Lol Facebook's internet.org satellite literally got BLOWN THE FUCK OUT!

>>8314074
>next step towards Star Trek meme.

Fuck off back to /r/futurology with your science cargo cultism to fellatiate the image of Musk with your fellow redditors.

>>8314084
>> sabotage
Fucking christ, it's only been a couple hours and people are aleady making conspiracy theories.

SpaceX has yet to investigate the wreckage

>>8314090
LOL good riddance, Facebook is complete cancer. There's a wonderful symbolism in Musk trying to launch a Facebook satellite and it failing.

>>8314094
>knows specific subreddits
you have to go back

>>8314094
underrated post

>>8314108
No its not. It can be boiled down to "musk is gay ur gay" without saying why musks goals are garbage.

>>8314074
He's not hated. His fans are.

>>8314096
There have been conspiracy theories the entire time. This is just another one to add to the pile.

Don't believe me? Just read any space-based footage video's youtube comments section. Better yet, fucking don't read it.

>facebook satellite
Good thing it blew up.

>>8314094
kek

i think they all threw themselves off cliffs by now

>>8314094
Fucking this. Watching them do their mental gymnastics to consider this to be some sort of success, or that it's proof he's doing innovayshun, will be a delight.

>>8314108
>>8314175
>>8314190
see
>>8314102
>>>/r/eddit

>>8314217
>not lurking plebbit to make fun of them
You do this too, you're just too much of a pussy to admit it. Just like your addiction to trap porn.

>>8313987
I'm not a native speaker, chill

>>8314242
I honestly dont do this. Do you actually enjoy the anger? Are you making bait posts there?

>>8314084
>It's obvious that it was sabotage.
No it isn't. Sabotage is a possibility that should be considered, but it's unremarkable for rockets to blow up, especially new designs.

The Full Thrust variant of Falcon 9 has only had 8 launches, and the densified propellant is a new technology which introduces new failure modes.

In most rockets, the kerosene is kept at ambient temperature, well away from its freezing point, but the densified kerosene is chilled until it's thick, and it may have to flow past parts that are being cooled by liquid oxygen. If kerosene freezes in a cooling channel during the start-up sequence, part of the combustion chamber or nozzle wall can melt before it thaws.

That's just one way it could have failed due to new technology.

>>8314242
Nice projection you pubescent faggot.

>>8314094
go back to your cave.

I bet if you were born 20 years before you'd be inusltin Steve Jobs and now you spend your whole day in front of your computer.

>>8314094
>talking shit about reddit and Musk to feel you belong to something cooler than the rest meme

>w-we will replace the Soyuz
AHAHAHAHAHAH

Upper stage oxygen tank AGAIN. Something blew during propellant loading. They were only preparing for a test, not actually firing the engine yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the helium tanks again. They've had lots of trouble with them.

>>8314317
oh the irony

Now there's video of it blowing up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ

>>8314369
LMAO!!!!!
good job Spayce Sex! nice """rokket"""

>>8314008

NORMIES ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>8313929
cool

>>8314190
>>8314073
>>8314088
>>8314355
YOU ARE GONNA SUCK SO MUCH DICK WHEN ELON MUSK PUT HIS FOOT ON MARS AND BECAME THE MOST IMPORTANT HUMAN BEING THAT NEVER EXISTED. OH WAIT NO, BY THEN YOU WILL BE ACTUALLY ROOTING FOR HIM BECAUSE YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE PERSONALITY.
>>8314379

>Carrying Israeli payload

haha Spayce Sex failed lmao Im so happy fuck your rokket haha lamo Im a troll and coolest guy on earth Im different I know more than regular people kek kek fuck reddit 4chan is the best, do you guys know where i can hookup traps??

Am I cool now?

>>8314369
ROCKET FUEL CAN'T MELT STELL STRONGBACKS

>>8314409

>Making it possible for some humans to set foot on a dry, red desert, barren wasteland somehow makes them "important"
>Not interstellar travel

Look, I love space, but our Solar system is not exactly exciting. I would prefer exploring Titan and Europa to see if there is any aquatic life, But besides that, the biggest accomplishment by humanity would be finding an Earth like planet in another star system and getting there.

internet.org failed to launch

>>8314429
Sure Im with you, wish we went to Europa. There is nothing to do on Mars but wouldnt you consider the first human to put his foot on another planet the most relevant person of our history so far when it happens?

>>8314421
take your meds, shill

That was fucking BEAUTIFUL!

Thank you for keks, ShitX!

>>8314421
>>>/r/eddit

>>8314439
oh shit you won you're the coolest guy of this thread now, Im still learning how to 4chaning thanks for the lesson cool guy.

>>8314443
wow nobody saw this post coming. You are so special.

>>8314437
Agree. Neil Armstrongs autograph is worth $1000's now. The first person to set foot on mars will be worth a fortune.

When they get back.................... lol

>>8314449
human won't set foot on Mars for another 100 years... if ever.

ppl who fall for this marketing genius Musk's bullshit are morons.

>Nasa fatalities to date: 24
>SpaceX fatalities to date: 0

>>8314445
>>8314448
holy shit, stop sperging out. go back if you dont like it here, you butthurt faggot.
Or you get used to this not being a circle jerk, where not everybody sucks pop-sci dick

>>8314453
what do you know that we don't?

>>8314369
Assuming the audio and video are in sync, this was filmed from 2.6 miles (4.2 km) away.
The explosion starts at frame 2149 and the sound comes in at frame 2515.

>>8314074

Because /sci/ is still full of nasaboos who dream of having cushy jobs as worthless government employees one day

>>8314454
>>SpaceX fatalities to date: 0
ppl who would would trust their life to SpaceXplode rockets: 0

>>8314454
I guess this has something to do with Nasa actually trying to archieve stuff and not just jerking their meme rockets

Worse reliability than proton now.

yeesh......

>>8314448
>le downvote

>>8314463

Archieve stuff like blowing up 7 astronauts on a routine mission? Or like putting a multi billion dollar telescope into orbit with a defective mirror?

>>8314454
>number of manned spaceflights by NASA: 171
>number of manned spaceflights by SpaceX: 0

>there are people on /sci/ who think NASA wasn't a cancerous, toxic agency that should be left behind in the 20th century
>there are people on /sci/ who think private venture capitalism isn't the future of spaceflight

>>8314457
>what do you know that we don't?
I took a grad course on orbital mechanics from a guy who worked on Apollo missions. I can do simple back of the napkin calculations and see that a human trip to Mars is not only damn expensive but also has extremely small chance of success (less than 10%).

I'm amazed that so many ppl on /sci/ fall for all this Musk Mars talk nonsense.

>>8314475
NASA was great up until the space shuttle, when they started becoming politicized and eventually turned into a congressional jobs program.

>>8314465
>Worse reliability than proton now.
Proton's the most reliable rocket ever invented. If I had $50mil and wanted to go in space, I'd only go up on a Proton rocket. Everything else is way too dangerous.

But they're more expensive than SPaceX shit for satellites and stuff.

>>8314429
Mars is a shitty, dead planet with the resources for challenging growth but is beyond easier to colonize than the unimaginably difficult task of interstellar travel. Plus the search for life on those moons could be done 100 times cheaper with robots. Colonizing them is out of the question for the foreseeable future.

>>8314476
so you did a course and you think you know more than the astrophysicists working on NASA and SpaceX. Humility isnt your strong point.

>>8313858
So why are so many people in this thread happy about a rocket exploding?

>>8314482
You trolling me m8?
12% of protons fail

>>8314485
>you know more than the astrophysicists working on NASA and SpaceX
those ppl want funding. they want to get paid. they want projects to get approved. they massage numbers and make them more optimistic than they are.

I'd say I know enough to realize it's fucking fairy tales.

>>8314486
Because seems it's cool to hate Elon Musk and SpaceX now and 4chan is full of poeple with no personality. What they don't know yet is that hating Elon musk became a meme.

>>8314493

How many ppl have proton rockets killed?

>>8314470
Yes, they tried to archieve something there my man. And there are many examples where they did great

>>8314496
Sure the best astrophysicists need to lie everyone to get paid because they wouldn't find another job somewhere else doing an honest job.

Second Stage fuel leak ignited right under the payload section.

>>8313874
black smoke means particulates and incomplete combustion.

>>8314513
At least it's not a first stage issue. That means the next launch might not be delayed for as long as people think

All you Musk nuthuggers are the fucking worst.

All of Elon Musk’s businesses are FUNDED BY THE TAX PAYERS.. aka YOU!

That evil motherfucker is a the biggest welfare queen in the world! He became billionaire by getting tax handouts from government.

Fuck him!

> Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

>Los Angeles entrepreneur Elon Musk has built a multibillion-dollar fortune running companies that make electric cars, sell solar panels and launch rockets into space.

>And he's built those companies with the help of billions in government subsidies.

>"He definitely goes where there is government money," said Dan Dolev, an analyst at Jefferies Equity Research. "That's a great strategy, but the government will cut you off one day."

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1

PS: RIP SpaceX! This failure will probably kill them now. Good luck getting launch insurance with such a shit record.

>>8314459
Nerd

>>8314074

I think people are snarky about the payload that was attached to the rocket more so than the launch being successful or not.

>>8314429
We didn't land in the Star Trek universe, where convenient space magic lets you jump to worlds with pretty green girls who don't even have space herpes. It would take a long time and a huge amount of energy and materials to travel to another star system, and even if we're not the only life, there's probably not anywhere else in the galaxy where we could just climb out and breathe the air.

If we can't make ourselves comfortable elsewhere in the solar system, we're certainly not going to be able to live, or even visit, elsewhere in the galaxy.

>>8314074
>a fucking facebook satelite

>>8314497
fuck off, hipster

>>8314540
owned by an israeli company, that the chinese wanted to buy, was going to provide internet to africa.

>yfw this happens to the JWST in 2018

>Devastating blow for Spacecom, the owners of the AMOS-6 satellite:

>Elon Musk has stated that because the rocket didn't intentionally ignite for launch, the loss of payload is not covered by launch insurance.

Really gets the neurons firing.

>>8314551
hopefully it will be launched by ULA.

>>8314558
>>Devastating blow for Spacecom, the owners of the AMOS-6 satellite:
they're fucked. buyout from China is now dead. they'll go bankrupt soon.

>>Elon Musk has stated that because the rocket didn't intentionally ignite for launch, the loss of payload is not covered by launch insurance.
kek'd. suits him well. SpaceX is dead as well.

>>8314551
Would legitimately be one of the greatest setbacks to science in history.

>>8314055

>Ratings disabled
>Comments disabled

Sure thing, pal.

>>8314551
Musk isn't going to be allowed anywhere near that thing.

>>8314591
Musk did get a GPS satellite launch contract.

>>8314596
GPS satellites aren't that expensive. We'll see if the DoD trusts enough to give them a NRO contract.

>>8314459
Sounds about right

>>8314545
exactly
nothing of value was lost

>israel
>china
>africa
it is like the unholy trinity of shitty places

>>8314513
Notice the explosion after the payload falls to the ground... WTF was in that thing? Satellites don't explode like that.

Also, these rockers are now officially MemeX rockets. They're a fuckign joke.

>>8314074

They are launching a satellite to provide poor nations internet access.

Or in other words, a datamining/advertisement walled off platform where hosting space is sold to the highest bidder.

The problem with the poorer nations is that its difficult to track and datamine the people because of the poor communication infrastructure. This satellite set to change all that by providing an untapped source for Facebook to mine and ultimately sell that data.

Information is power after all, and Facebook was trying to insure their position near the top in the analytic arms race. Too bad it blew up in their face today.

>>8314613
>Satellites don't explode like that.
Yes they do when they're a GEO sat filled with hydrazine.

>>8314615
oh wow... so this was a good thing then. last thing we need is more Nigerian-style scam email spam from that shithole of a continent.

>>8314502
none, proton is a cargo rocket.

>>8314618
yeah, but how much is in it? look at that explosion.. it was HUGE.

>>8314622
hydrazine is energetic stuff.

>>8314462
add me to that list

>>8314496
explain why
show calculations, cite sources, back up claims, etc.

>>8314486
they've done nothing with their lives and are bitter about watching people younger than them do cool shit

>>8314603
Fucking kek

>>8314636
>ITT: bootyblasted SpaceX fanboys
WE WUZ KAINGZ OF SPACE N SHIEEEET

>>8314636
like making very expensive firework

>>8314643
are you making an actual effort to prove my point or was that just dumb luck

>>8314647
twice!

>>8314648
WE

>>8314513
This is probably a bird but conspiracy theories are more fun.

In the video it goes by incredibly fast.

>>8314622
Don't know bout that particular case but GEO com sats are usually about two thirds to three quarters propellant.

>>8314654
Do birds fly that fast?

>>8314643
WUZ KAINGZ

>>8314636
>spacefaring is cool shit
>I fucking love science
go back

>>8314658
and the Falcon 9 payload section is big enough to put a bus in.

>>8314654
It could be a SpaceX inspection drone. Or it might be a fly close to the camera.

There have been less than 6000 space launch attempts (orbital and suborbital) since 1957. 464 of those failed.

Space launch, in general, is an unbelievably immature technology. Compare to other fields: The Wright Flyer alone was tested more than 700 times before the brothers even put a motor on the thing.

(Also, SpaceX still has a 96% success rate.)

>>8314648
OF SPACE

>>8314664
???

>>8314667
>There have been less than 6000 space launch attempts (orbital and suborbital) since 1957.
I'm not sure I believe there haven't been more suborbital launches. Suborbital launch is pretty easy and inexpensive, by comparison. There certainly were suborbital launches well before 1957.

>>8314551
this would really fucking suck

>>8314551

>>8313858
THE FREE MARKET WILL FIX IT!

Who's have thought having a space company run by kids and the employee turnover of a McDonalds would cause problems? There's a reason ULA is so expensive: quality costs.

>>8314632
>explain why
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/why-not-space/

>>8314632
>show calculations, cite sources, back up claims, etc.
go on Google Scholar. There's dozens of papers with detailed calculations and assessments.

Human trip to Mars ain't happening anytime soon.

>>8314654
I think this is evidence enough to declare war on Bird kind.

>>8314558
>Elon Musk has stated that because the rocket didn't intentionally ignite for launch, the loss of payload is not covered by launch insurance.
That would be a pretty effective way of scaring off potential contracts.

>>8314709
THat's the satellite owner's fault, not SpaceX. They were to ones who had to be insured and now aren't getting any reparations.

>>8313860
The Falcon 9 and its derivatives have been flown 28 times, total. By any reasonable standard, it is hilariously experimental and it's frankly a little crazy that people are willing to pay to fly payloads on it.

This is sort of the inevitable consequence of having your vehicles be single-use (so any given rocket can be tested exactly once, destructively) and so expensive that you can't afford to build any and waste them for the sole purpose of testing your general design. Rockets are going to blow up with payloads in them.

This latest explosion gives SpaceX a 4% per-flight failure rate. And they're not exactly unique in this - The Soyuz-U has a failure rate of 2.7%; and the ultimate per-flight failure rates of the Shuttle were in the vicinity of 1.5%. (And before the Challenger disaster, the true failure probability has been estimated at something in the range of 10%. NASA got awfully lucky making it as long as we did until Challenger.)

SpaceX is abysmally shitty for having a failure rate even that high, yes. (Can you imagine an airline with that kind of per-flight failure rate?) But this misses the deeper truth that rockets, in general, are only barely less abysmal. The incredibly low launch volume has left the whole field of technology, even 60 years on, barely in its infancy. (And that low launch volume is also the primary cause of rockets being so expensive in the first place - even if SpaceX invented a fully-reusable rocket *tomorrow*, it still wouldn't be able to be cheap enough, because there simply wouldn't be enough total flights for it to amortize over.)

>>8314717
we don't know yet what kind of insurance they had. they could have had maritime insurance which would have covered it.

my best guess is that they're both fucked.

>>8314684
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_space_program#Incidents.2C_failures.2C_and_setbacks

>>8314717
I was under the (mistaken) impression the insurance was offered by SpaceX in the first place and that this would be some technicality. Didn't realize there's whole 3rd party branches of satellite insurance companies divided into insurance for each phase of the launch (for 3x the premium, no doubt). Viva Capitalism?

>>8314707
>http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/why-not-space/
This guy's an idiot peak-oiler. He "does the math" on numbers he picks absolutely without regard to relevance.

This article is rambling nonsense. When it finally comes to a point at the end, it's that we're not going anywhere because fossil fuels are our only viable energy source, and those are going to run out, then industrial society will collapse.

The only math he does is pointing out how far things are apart in space.

>>8314733
less accidents than the US program. less fatalities as well.

>>8314744
>This guy's an idiot peak-oiler.
LMAO... peak oil is completely true.

>He "does the math" on numbers he picks absolutely without regard to relevance.This article is rambling nonsense
No arguments, just ad hominems. Typical shit for brains response from a kid. Go back to fucking studying.

>>8314745
what is the rate though.

Soviets launched a lot less than the USA.

>>8313874
It's the fire caused by the explosion. There's lots of nasty stuff to burn in a rocket.

>>8314482
You are mistaking the Proton for the Soyuz. Proton is an aging wreck with poisonous propellants, with an average of one failure per year. Russia wants to replace it with the modern Angara A5 as quickly as possible.

>>8314755
Look at post-communist Russia's record. it's fucking amazing. They have so little cash yet they've launch so much and accidents have been few.

>>8314551
no way, JWST is launching on the reliable Ariane 5. It is too big and heavy to launch on any American rocket.

>>8314558
red herring. It just means it was covered by the pre-launch marine insurance instead.

>>8314568
but this is true, Spacecom's buyout is fucked. It all depended on the successful deployment of this satellite, which was already delayed two years!

>>8314761
they haven't made a new design since 1970 either.

Which is keeping them from ever putting something heavy to the moon or further. Look at their failed moon shot. They couldn't or just didn't bother to, make big motors. So they attempted to make due with a lot of small ones.

>>8314362
>>8314369

why would they be filling the upper stage in a static fire

>>8314765
Atlas V can lift the same as the Ariane 5.

>>8314369

Listen at approximately 1:18.5

Sound like a gunshot? I'm inclined to call sabotage on this one, especially considering that this was a satellite being sent up by an Israeli company.

I've already determined the approximate position of the camera from the sound delay and the position of the LOX ball, strongback, and lightning towers, and I'm trying to figure out where the hypothetical gunman would have been located, assuming he was using something chambered in .50 BMG with an approximate bullet velocity of 3000ft/s

>>8314654
Insect flying in front of camera.

>>8314753
peak oil is NOT true

Oil and hydrocarbons have abiotic sources and there is MASSIVE quantities still to be found.

Nuclear is better than all of that shit, we would be on 90% nuclear power if the jews would allow new nuclear reactors.

>>8314765
>>8314777
And a Delta IV Heavy can lift the most of any rocket in production (I can guess SpaceX can drop the bald faced lie that FH would actually fly this year after today).

>>8314369
>>8314776
you know. I don't think it was the upper stage that blew.

the lens flare from the explosions is right under the payload. the payload could have caused the explosion.

>>8314755
>Soviets launched a lot less than the USA.
absolutely false. The R-7 family alone (e.g. Soyuz) has nearly 2000 launches and is still going strong, with 450 for Kosmos, 400 for Proton, and 225 for Tsyklon. The US is meager by comparison: 275 Thors, 275 Atlas, 170 Delta, 150 Titan, 153 Delta II, 135 Shuttle, 125 Scout.

Some of the Soviet launch disasters were devastating, with hundreds of fatalities for pad accidents.

>>8314784
not a gun shot.

that is just the sounds finally catching up to the camera.

>>8314784
Fuck off tinfoil hat.

>>8314793
how many are post soviet commercial launches?

>>8314772
>no new design since 1970
except for Energia in the 80s (which became the Zenit used by Sea Launch)

But Russia is introducing the Angara rocket family this decade. It uses a lot of the same modern manufacturing techniques used by SpaceX. The hurdle has been pad infrastructure, held back by graft and corruption.

>>8314369
>>8314513
>>8314654
>>8314785
Yeah seems to be an insect in front of the camera. You can see more of them just before it happens in the lower section of the screen.

>>8314797

The sound of the explosion reaches the camera ~5.3 seconds later, but I don't see anything corresponding to a sound that loud happening near the rocket around 1:05-1:06

>>8314551
This is why more funding needs to go towards science and space. We need to build the "Overwhelmingly Large Telescope" in space. Can you imagine something as big as that donut in the background of this image in space? Look at how large it is compared to the Hubble and James Webb.

>>8314801
about half, with the rest taken by Arianespace. At least, until SpaceX came along and started taking away their business.

Until this explosion, this was looking to be the first year since 1999 that Russia didn't launch the most rockets of any nation. And it is mostly their own fault, since the war in Ukraine led them to cancel two prime launchers, Dnepr and Zenit.

>>8314822
It's russias fault that west led a coup in Ukraine and started shooting protestors?

>>8314816
>keck telescope

>>8314551
NO STAY AWAY MUSK REEEEE

>>8314816
Man, I had no idea the Arecibo telescope was so fucking massive.

>>8314826
What coup?

The pro russian president of Ukraine fled on his own. Well before he was in any actual danger.

>>8314833
China built an even bigger one recently. It is 500 meters in aperture. While the Arecibo is only 300 meters.

>>8314833
radiotelescopes can be huge because you only need low tolerance metal mesh, not micrometer accurate mirror.

>>8314834
euromaidan
coup
he wasn't "pro-russian", just that he wasn't a western puppet like the obama/hillary wanted.

>>8314833
>>8314837

>>8314841
I was following the Clankening as it happened.

The president and government was never in any danger.

It was a riot, but not a coup.

>>8314622
Hydrazine is potent shit anon.

I don't get why there was a sat loaded if they were going to do a test fire or whatever it was.

>>8314720
>SpaceX is abysmally shitty for having a failure rate even that high
Except it's not a "failure rate" in the conventional sense. That would imply some kind of routine operation which is unreliable.

If you make ten million nails and a hundred thousand are defective, and you go on running the machines, you have a defect rate. If you make and inspect ten nails one by one, and the tenth is defective, and you fix the machine so it doesn't produce that defect any more, you don't have a 10% defect rate.

>(Can you imagine an airline with that kind of per-flight failure rate?)
Can you imagine a movie studio with that kind of per-film failure rate?

Their Falcon 9 program has involved the development of three vehicles, each of which has now suffered one launch failure involving a partial or total loss of payload. Each one was a unique issue, and the causes of the previous ones were determined and addressed before proceeding with more launches.

>even if SpaceX invented a fully-reusable rocket *tomorrow*, it still wouldn't be able to be cheap enough, because there simply wouldn't be enough total flights for it to amortize over
This is absurd. Let's say it costs $5 billion to develop, $50 million to build each unit (fully-reusable, good for a thousand flights), and $100,000 to fly. That means they have to sell a bit more than 100 $50 million flights to the conventional market, which they could easily do in a few years.

This is the whole idea of SpaceX: cover the development costs of a fully-reusable rocket by taking advantage of the high launch prices in a market full of expendables, stepping the prices down. Even with partial reusability, they could net $20 million per satellite launch, and do 25 launches per year, and with reusable Crew Dragon they might net a similar amount per launch and grow the market with another 25 launches per year, make an even billion per year to spend on development. Their satellite business could be even more profitable.

>>8314816
Still have to wait 6+ years until EELT & TMT, damn!

>>8314850
because the rocket was going stay there and launch in a few days.

>>8314652
WUZ

>>8314833
>...the Arecibo telescope looks LIKE THAT?!

Spacecom guys should've used Russians, lower price, maybe even insurance for their satellite

bet memeX taught them what to do in the future

>>8314846
>>8314833
>FAST

I think I could fit my house on top of one of those towers and still have room for my yard.

>>8314850

It's up to the customer whether they want their payload installed during static fire.

>israeli satellite
>were too creedy to pay for insurance

>>8314872
Wait, is that true?

>>8314816
Praise kek

Also: fund it

>>8314853
Seems like an unnecessary risk however it's probably a logistics problem. I'm sure mounting a sat is not easy.

>>8314863
Let me guess, it costs more to put your sat on after a static fire.

>>8314872
I thought they insured things for more than they're worth on purpose when they plan to collect.

>>8314902

I mean, probably.

It does have to be installed while the rocket is horizontal, and the rocket has to be vertical for static fire.

>>8314902
was supposed to launch on the 3rd so its not like theres tons of time to be putting the rocket up/taking it down

And I guess if it was the sallelite that blew up, not having it there would have been bad.

>>8314905
>It does have to be installed while the rocket is horizontal
No it doesn't. Russians install their stuff horizontally and raise the rocket vertically at launchpad, but Americans install their stuff vertically, then move the rocket to the lauchpad.

>>8314816

All it would take would be to raise NASA's budget to like 3% of federal, and yet nobody is willing to scrape a few tenths of a percent off of bloated departments in order to fund the future of mankind.

>>8314916
Just reduce DoD budget by 10% and we would already have a colony on Mars.

>>8314924
stfu retard, welfare is way larger than defense

>>8314927
no it isn't

"defense" is 60% of the general fund spending.

social security and medicare are funded through their own separate taxes and funds.

>>8314924

If we let half the welfare queens starve AND reduced the DoD budget by 10%, I could have fucked off to Ganymede five years ago.

>>8314927
When will this republican lie meme end? Welfare and food stamps cost peanuts compared to other programs we have. NASA needs double the budget, fuck it.

>>8314931
Believe or our not most people are not cheating the system. Kids are going hungry in this country and it's disgusting. Republicans want to get rid of abortions but after that they don't care. Fuck healthcare and education. Fuck, yes I mad.

>>8314946
>Believe or our not most people are not cheating the system.
lol
I don't think you've EVER met someone on welfare because EVERYONE is cheating it

Healthcare and education are disasters because they are government shows

in a free market, price/cost DROPS, in a government environment price goes up.

So, SpaceX has a worse safety record than russian space program now?

So: How long do you think this will delay SpaceX ?? Till the end of the year? Launch next rocket on schedule as if nothing happened?

>>8314951
When I was born my dad had cancer and couldn't work. I was fed with that infant program. I think it's called WIC. We weren't on it permanently. Most people aren't looking for a hand out but a hand up.
I bet you believe in trickle down economics too.

>>8314961
>Currently, WIC serves 53 percent of all infants born in the United States

Most welfare exists as a wealth transfer from whites to non-whites, from private sector to government workers/union workers, from productive work to unproductive work.

Do you believe half the infants in the US fall into the category of the father being medically unable to work??

Obeseity is the single largest issue facing this country, don't give me this shit

>>8314055
Hahahahahhahahahahhahahahhaahaha

Ha.

>>8314967
Whites are the primary beneficiaries of welfare you dumb idiot

they did it on purpose to prevent facebook from giving out free internet. elon wants to sell it to fund mars

>>8314946

Which is why I specifically mentioned letting them starve.

I'll trade ten million dead folks for a Mars colony.

>>8314982
>what is controlling for sample size

>>8314987
bet the jews at facebook intentionally blew their shit up

We're never getting off of this rock.

>>8314957
Till the next government launch, because that's the real source of money for SpaceX. So, yeah, end of year.

>>8313858
SpaceX is a fraud and Elon Musk is scam illusionist serving the USA gov.

I don't come to this board much so I'm curious, what's with the vitriol towards Elon Musk?

>>8314957
two of the next three launches are from Vandenberg. It is conceivable those two could be allowed to launch with minimal delay.

>>8314946
>Welfare and food stamps cost peanuts compared to other programs we have.
About a trillion dollars annually, all taken together. Compare to the $4 trillion federal budget of 2016, and total US public spending of about $6.5 trillion.

Called-what-it-is welfare is about half of the defense spending total. Welfare-by-other-means spending, programs to keep people unproductively (and often quite lucratively) employed, is much larger and much of it is imposed cost rather than actual taxation. Even a considerable amount of "defense" spending is welfare by other means, employment for people who do no useful work and can't be relied on in an emergency.

Honestly-labeled welfare is not the number one item, but it's a major one. The country's groaning under the weight of covert welfare.

>>8315031
mostly banter and/or trolling

>>8315031
shitposters & hillary clinton supporters

>>8315031
poo flingers and trump turds

SpaceX reminds me of Titanic.

In a side note #VoteHillaryClinton.

>>8315038
Not really. Look at what happened last time:
The Vandenberg launched Jason-3 satellite was delayed by several months, despite the fact that CRS-7 (which blew up mid-air and caused no damage to the pad) was launched from Cape.

>>8315031
buttmad NASA employees

Seriously absolutely all the Space Ex investment are coming from the USA gov, and in the end of the day this is just another scam.

they went desperately and now Musk thinks in depending on a " """" Open A.i." """" research group to create some advanced ai to help "humans" achieve Mars and shit. This may eventually will happen with other scenarios but seems like a darker future

>>8315080
Musk believes we live in a simulation and noone else is real but him

So ofc he's gonna lie & scam his way around

can a scientist explain to me why Elon wants to date Amber Heard?

>>8314931
What exactly does moving to another planet guarantee? If you're going theb chances are lots of other people are too, which means society and culture will replicate itself on whatever planet.

New planet doesn't guarantee new paradigm, we're still humans with shitty social norms and practices.

>>8315092
So preselect who is going there? It ain't fucking hard.

>>8315092
>What exactly does moving to another planet guarantee?

Death and jello babies.

No doubt Elon Musk sabotaged his own vehicle because he hates the negros & he hates the jew.

>>8315106
Okay, how? Tell me.

>>8315083
autism

>>8315122
>this person is a radical fundie, let's not put him on the list to go there!
>psych evaluation

>>8315126
>Constitution of Mars ensures freedom of religion
>Can't ban people based on religion

try again

>>8314914
Depends on the launch vehicle and sometimes even the launch site (e.g. Atlas V does horizontal integration in Florida, but the same work is done vertically at Vandenberg). Falcon 9 does payload integration lying down for both launch sites.

>>8315130
nice reading comprehension

>>8315126
What will a psych evaluation do? Anyone can be declared same, but they are still slaves to the structured society that we live in today. In order to colonize the planet, something has to be built there before we populate it. Who's going to build it? Chances are, one country's government will claim it and enact their own laws. So any hope of a new social or fiscal or even religious structure is now gone.

Society's problem goes way beyond the 1% of radicalists and insane people. And it has a majority rule so there's no escape.

>>8315145
*sane, fucking autocorrect

>>8315110
This nigger has to be one of the ugliest kikes out there.

>>8315092

It guarantees that an event which wipes out or severely hampers human life on any individual planet or moon we inhabit won't fuck the entire species.

Right now, if an extinction event sized asteroid hit Earth, or some volcanic catastrophe happened, or large-scale nuclear war took place, or a fungus wiped out a few major staple crops, or a particularly aggressive virus fucked over the human population, then society might not ever recover. Self-sustaining extraterrestrial colonies fix that problem.

>>8315110
>"Our satellite"
Because Facebook totally owned the satellite and wasn't only going to be leasing time on it.

>>8315159
>>8315159
Yes of course, spreading out the population vastly increases the chances of species survival, but once again that doesn't stop people from being people. When we get to whatever planet we're still going to build roads and still have cars, and still have pollution and shit. We're going to be the same people just different location. Then we have to find another habitable planet/moon.

"Flying to Ganymede" because you hate earth is pointless, because for all intents and purposes it's going to be the same in both places, except for maybe the scenery if you're a tourist.

>>8314362
I thought that's what it looked like from seeing the video.

>>8315174

>that doesn't stop people from being people

That's the fucking point.

I don't want people to stop being people, I don't want the species to go extinct. And yeah, we'll be at least moderately destructive to any environment we set up shop in, but keep in mind that any space colony is going to be incredibly resource-conscious and thrifty by necessity until it reaches a pretty large size.

>>8314440
stfu [ula] puppet

>>8315174
This stuff always reads to me like:
>Why leave this valley in Africa? Sure, it's getting a little crowded and there are too many assholes who want to stab you with a spear and rape your family, and diseases are spreading faster and faster, but where are you going to find that's a nicer place to live, with more fruit and fish and tubers, and less predators? What do you think you're going to do, change the land to make food? It's not like you're going to change the rules of the world or human nature somehow by leaving.

Elon Musk is a fucking scammer. He pushes bullshit technologies and bullshit ideas that don't work.

Take Hyperloop for example... it's a complete fucking fantasy that anyone with half-a-brain can see is flawed yet his bullshit killed California gov's plan for high-seed transit between LA and SF.

Seriously, fuck that guy! And fuck all of his fanboys who constantly suck on his dick in these threads on /sci/. Yeah, I'm talking to you, cock-boy. You fucking suck too!

>>8315168
The jews own everything.

>Commercial Crew now delayed by one year.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/09/nasa-inspector-commercial-crew-likely-wont-fly-until-late-2018/

The Jews really don't want us to leave this planet.

>>8315110
What an asshole.

>>8314369
>1:10-1:12
Hypersonic drone attack confirmed.

>>8315189
>Take Hyperloop for example... it's a complete fucking fantasy that anyone with half-a-brain can see is flawed yet his bullshit killed California gov's plan for high-seed transit between LA and SF.
He's not building hyperloop. The only money his companies have put into hyperloop are in the form of contests to find talent for space-x. He has no relation to any of the Hyperloop companies that think they can make anything beyond test tracks. Hyperloop also isn't killing California's high speed rail plan. The plan is dying due to a combination of cost, and NIMBY construction issues.

>>8315192
This is insane.
Not only are they opening the borders, lowering global IQ down the toilet, but they're actively sabotaging any hope of establishing a human colonies outside earth for when subhumanity engulf us all.

Do they somehow think they're immune to misgeneation when they're the most mixed race out there ?
Are they even able to think about the future, are they sabotaging Humanity for specific reasons ?

Our only hope is the east asians at this point.

>>8315189
hyperloop is not fantasy, has been proven to work, and is currently being designed and constructed :)

>>8314613
>fucking joke
>28/2 on a test vehicle

denial much?

>>8314065
Settle down, fag

>>8314859
Lol, they built that in karst topography. Bet a sinkhole is gonna eat part of it in a couple years.

>>8314859
I just want to fill it with Cap'n Crunch and milk.

>>8314369
>>8313858

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Z7WmSSRX0&feature=youtu.be

>>8315227
It's China so it's 50/50 whether it will be a sink hole or if it just topples on its own.

>>8315214
>hyperloop is not fantasy, has been proven to work, and is currently being designed and constructed :)
Found a retarded cock-boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDwe2M-LDZQ

>>8315265
>meme youtube videos
Amazing evidence m8, got some truth-bomb videos about 9/11 being an inside job as well?

>>8313874
it means it's still burning fuel

>>8315271
>meme videos
Have you watched them? Try to debunk them.

The only thing that's a fucking meme is Musk and his bullshit tax-funded projects that always end up as disasters.

>>8314784
grassy knoll

>>8315265
pretty sure anon was a bit satirical

>>8314753
>still believing in "peak oil"
>believing that oil is a "limited resource"
>fag probably believes in global warming too

>>8315280
They might be overrated, but they work and arent as retarded as the memeloop or some of his car ambitions.

>>8314613
>>8314654
clearly

>>8315031
When you always claim to be the best of the best, the savior of the US space program and all that bullshit, of course people will laugh at you when you turn out to be as mediocre as everyone else.

>>8315329
Not me. I've never been the to be spiteful like those kids who enjoy cringe vids.

I just see hard work lost, that's always a disappointment.

>>8315308
>Girls laughing.png

>>8315356
>composição com vermelho, amarelo e azul.jpg

>>8314772
>Look at their failed moon shot
to be fair, Korolev had a very VERY feasible moonshot using all of proven technology (proton rockets for earth assembly and soyuz travel vehicle)

if he hadnt died im positive USSR would have won the space race...


the story is actually very sad, ussr had almost no money and the us had billions of times more money. usa won despite being suepr wasteful and stupid and ussr lost in despite of being super intelligent and worthy of all awards. yet people think usa is intelligent when its objectively clear that not

>>8315388
t. Putin

>>8315388
>if he hadnt died im positive USSR would have won the space race...
But they were the first in space. That's why the US desperately wanted to get to the moon, so that they can still come out as the 'winners'.

>>8314777
>>8314789
Ariane 5 can lift more significantly than Atlas 5 (it is also physically larger -- an important point for the JWST), but slightly less than Delta IV Heavy. But Ariane is also twice as cheaper as a Delta IV Heavy.

>>8315308
Being a "peak oil" kook isn't just about believing that we'll eventually run out of oil, it's also about believing that we're right about to start facing hardships from fall-offs in production (despite the huge, barely-touched shale oil and tar sand resources, and recent demonstration of cost-effective extraction), that we won't come up with anything to replace it (despite wind and solar now being cheaper electricity, joule for joule, than any fossil fuel, and still improving rapidly), and so civilization as we know it is going to collapse.

Most peak oil shit is at least a few years old, from when fracking was fairly limited and before OPEC cut prices to try and kill it.

>>8315403
significantly more*

>>8315388
>usa won despite being suepr wasteful and stupid and ussr lost in despite of being super intelligent and worthy of all awards. yet people think usa is intelligent when its objectively clear that not

Don't know if you guys are in college or have ever worked with foreign students on projects but you can kind of see this sort of approach in the work habits of Russian math or engineering students. Kind of interesting, but whatever works, no need to be a cunt about it.

>>8314024

What the fuck? ULA had nothing to do with the shuttle, fuck face.

And I might add that ULA's Atlas II-V has NEVER HAD A LAUNCH FAILURE.

IT HAS A PERFECT SAFETY RECORD.

Now take your butthurt the fuck outta here

>>8315398
youre right comerade, i mean the moon race


actually the whole deal is really stupid...

lots of money spent on just competing, if both superpowers had worked together we could have a moon base by now easily


oh and also, no one wants to use nukes in atmosphere, but they already detonated like 3000 of em


if instead of that you would have accepted, just 10-20 of them for the takeoff of an orion style ship you could have explored the whole solar system for the price of the apollo missions

>>8315410
>this sort of approach
what kind of aproach do you mean? they use more lateral intelligence as compared to americans that favor brute force?

>>8315413
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Launch_Alliance
United Launch Alliance (ULA) is a joint venture of Lockheed Martin Space Systems and Boeing Defense...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle
Manufacturers:
Lockheed Martin
Boeing
HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE OBJECTIVELY WRONG

THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS:

()YOURE A PAID ULA GOVERMENT AGENT THAT JUST GOT HIS ASS HANDED OVER TO HIM BY A SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR THAT HAS A KEEN SENSE OF FIGHTING OPRESSION

()YOURE JUST TOO DUMB


there is only one

and that is one
one option
that you can never choose
and that is
()being right

cause your not

toodles little loser boy

>>8315416
>various problem solving techniques
Yeah, something like that actually.

>>8314472

kek

>>8315427

Your fucking tears are so fucking delicious Elon Cuckboy

Atlas II-V, PERFECT RECORD baby

Meanwhile Space X's best work is smoldering on the remnants of their launch pad...

>>8315437
>Atlas II-V
How many Atlas rockets launch annually?

Russia still has better rockets.

>>8314776
To see if it doesn't blow up.

>>8315437
HAHA YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY

YOU SAID ULA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EXECUTION MACHINE CALLED SPACE SHUTTLE

YOU LIKE MY TEARS, THEY ARE FOR THE AMERICAN ASTRONAUTS BOEING KILLED IN COLD BLOOD.

BUT OF COURSE, IF YOU CANT DISTNIGUISH THAT SIMPLE FACT THEN YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT ANYTHING YOU SAY IS FALSE.

SO GREAT, GOOD FOR YOU THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SPACEX IS THE BEST

>>8315453
Guess they answered that question.

No.

>>8315414
orion would have taken hundreds of minimum size nukes. not 10-20

>>8315427
>>8315454
>smelly hippy detected

>>8315457
but only 10-20 in atmosphere, those were the real problem, putting a bit of radioactive waste in the super huge ultra gigantic gigantic solar system would be no problem

>>8315398
They also were first in pretty much every other achievement. I think they clearly won the space race.

>>8315414
>lots of money spent on just competing
But it kind of worked out great. Maybe some kind of pressure is needed.
Now they work together and there are great missions all the time, but the really big stuff really slowed down

>>8315454
>>8315437
Could you 2 fags just go back to whatever board you came from? Or better yet, stop posting altogether, 4chan is 18+ after all.

>>8315427
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle
>Manufacturers:
>Lockheed Martin
>Boeing
Uh... The US aerospace industry has largely consolidated under a couple of corporate brands, due to fucked up investing rules that made mergers profitable.

The actual companies that built it were: North American Rockwell, Morton Thiokol, Martin Marietta, and Rocketdyne.

None of those exist anymore. They were all bought out. For that matter, the Boeing and Lockheed that existed in those times are gone, too. The names are just more acquisitions of the soulless conglomerates that devoured the US aerospace industry.

Ever notice how aerospace in general has made little-to-no progress since the 70s? (yes, even stealth was developed in the 70s) That's why: number-juggling finance men took them, and their patents, product lines grandparented past a rapidly tightening regulatory regime, and long-term government contracts and contracting relationships, over.

In fact, the space shuttle was one of the first victims of this process. Notice three of the four major contractors were double-named. North American, Rockwell, Morton, Thiokol, Martin, and Marietta were all originally distinct companies, which had undergone mergers.

>>8315446

Proton > Atlas >>>>>>>>>>Falcon 9

>>8314772
>implying they didn't get to the moon first

watch the documentary Apollo 18

How long do you guys think Elon Musk spent crying when he heard about this?

>>8315475

>They also were first in pretty much every other achievement. I think they clearly won the space race.

TIL you win a race by being in 1st for most of the race but crossing the finish line last

>>8315526
>the finish line
It would have been the mars had america not been the first on the moon.

>>8315532

Whatever it takes baby

USA #1

>>8315503
>because of silly shit i made up im right even tough i was showed objective evidence i wasnt

sure little kiddy boy

sure

united states has 17899 states

a water molecule is composed of fifty hydrogen atoms and one lego block

see?, i can make silly false shit too

>>8315532
This. Nixon killed the space program because he was more interested in the Vietnam war.

>2016
>private rocket blows up

Suspicious !!

>>8315196
Seriously. The exact cause of the explosion hasn't even been determined yet (though so far it seems like an equipment issue) and you can't schedule anything around exact dates when it comes to space anyway. Even without RUDs, launches are often delayed by weeks, months, or even years as priorities change, launch windows are missed due to bad weather, etc.

And besides all of that, this is a shitload of work that literally went up in flames. Nobody enjoys that, much less the employees who put their blood and sweat into designing and building rockets and getting them into the air in one piece. Way to be an insensitive prick, Zuck.

>>8315184
Space colonies also provide a truly clean infrastructural slate, something mankind hasn't had in a long, long time. Any town/city here on Earth has to work with the shitty archaic systems that happen to be in place. A city on another body literally CAN'T have that problem. Everything has to be built from scratch, and as a result will be able to incorporate everything we've learned here on Earth in ways that were never possible (or financially feasible) before. What's more, nobody is fighting over territory in space or telling anybody what they can and cannot do, avoiding the horrible red tape problems faced down here on Earth.

Thriftiness and a fresh start are a potent combination, and considering the types of people who'd initially inhabit a colony (highly capable and disciplined scientists, engineers, etc) it's easy to imagine a martian city leaving Earth in dust once that initial bit of critical mass has been achieved.

>>8315919 (cont)
It may all eventually degrade into something resembling Earth today, but it'd take anywhere between 50 years and a couple centuries to reach that point and by then, Earth will have become the backwater hickville of the solar system.

>>8315796

I'm betting that Boeing hit it with the YAL-1 Airborne Laser so they could win those sweet, sweet NASA contracts

>>8315904
>you can't schedule anything around exact dates when it comes to space anyway
SpaceX was supposed to do better, though. That's what they were promising their customers. Not just "better prices, eventually", but launch services as good as Arianespace and ULA at much lower prices.

Satellite launch customers actually aren't real eager for the price of launch to go dramatically down shortly after they've spent $80 million launching a $200 million satellite three years late.

There's nothing inherent about orbital launch that makes it impossible to stay on schedule, or requires you to launch in only the most perfect weather. In fact, you don't even have to go supersonic in the atmosphere. Nor does your vehicle have to be shaped like a long, skinny pencil.

SpaceX is making good progress toward their reusable launch vehicle and manned capsule goals, but they're not showing much potential to perform their actual launch services at the rate they're contracting them anytime soon, and they could start having a lot of contracts cancelled.

>>8315904
What is zuck the cuck going to do now anyway? I heard he didn't insure that part of the sat's un, shit to tired to think of the word. Something about the fact that pre launch wasn't covered. Which is insane because all sorts of things can go wrong.
Is there going to be another satellite or did he put all his shekels in one basket?

>>8314784

You would have seen a very evident flash on the exterior before the explosion if it was some type of projectile (.50 cal API for example).

>>8316143
Why? It's not like the camera records continuously. It captures frames.

One frame, there was no sign of any problem, in the next frame there was a large explosion.

>>8315388
>if he hadnt died im positive USSR would have won the space race...
nope

>>8316148

API and other ammunition that can set off combustibles create their own small flash when impacting objects.

There'll be a small delay between impact and combustion; enough that it'll show up on any camera (combustion isn't almost instantaneous like detonation of HE).

>>8316190
First of all, to be clear, I'm not taking the projectile theory seriously.

Secondly, you wouldn't need an ignition source if a supersonic projectile passes through certain things in a rocket. Think of tannerite: it blows when the bullet hits it.

>There'll be a small delay between impact and combustion
I think there was an initial detonation, which dispersed fuel into the air extremely quickly. As I said, there was a large fireball suddenly in one frame.

Hydrazine and MMH can detonate, and so can just about anything combustible when it's mixed with liquid oxygen. Some LOX/fuel mixtures can be set off with light.