/sci/ - Science & Math

>>8260443
>It is focused on java

Drop the course.

>>8260443
Just pirate it.

>>8260460
I tried, only found the 5th edition, need the 6th. You thinkt hey are the same??

>>8260457
whats wrong with java?

>>8260466
>It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to Java: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration.
>The use of Java cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense
>~ Edsger Dijkstra

>>8260468
b8

>>8260472
No, truth.

>>8260468
Oh shit man, that scares me. Is java that different from other languages??

>>8260478

>>8260468
>>8260476
>>8260478
>"Don't believe every quote you read on the internet, because I totally didn't say that."
>~ Albert Einstein

https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD04xx/EWD498.html

>>8260483

thanks man, that makes me feel better..

>>8260478

Java doesn't even support unsigned numbers because apparently the designer thinks "nobody really understands" why after 11 o'clock it's 00 o'clock.

>>8260478
>>8260486
Don't listen to these autists, they're either baiting or trying to talk you into using their own favorite language in order to validate their own opinions.

https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Programming_languages#Java

>>8260478
>C++
int main(){
std::cout<<"Hello World\n";
}


>Java
class Greeting {
void greet(Named target) {
try{
System.out.println("Hello, " + target.getName() + "!");
}
catch(exception e){}
}
}


interface Named {
String getName();
}


class World implements Named {
String getName() {
try{
return "World";
}
catch(exception e){}
}
}


class Main {
public static void main( String[] args ) {
try{
Greeting greeting = new Greeting();
}
catch(exception e){}
try{
greeting.greet(new World());
}
catch(exception e){}
}
}

>>8260466
Nothing. Java is fine. Just study and do your programs. Make news ones, and play with the ones your instructor goes over. You'll do fine as long as you keep up with it.

>>8260493

Stop trolling him.

>>8260495
>thinks the rest of his life has to be in the first language he learns
It's fine for learning on. Stop acting like a /b/tard. Once you get the hang of a language learning a different one is fairly easy to do.

>>8260496
It's a steaming mess to learn on. It's way simpler to learn with C++14 or Phython. There is no use case where java is a good language especially for /sci/ users.

>>8260491
Nice bait

>>8260501
Python is literally Java under an uglier syntax. C++ is superior

>>8260443
Just leave now, don't take CS advice from /sci/. They will fuck up your life.

>>8260501
It's not like he has a choice in the language he gets to learn in class. Sure, there are better languages, but learning Java isn't going to fuck you up later in life. It's pretty simple to learn, and isn't "scary". He'll be fine if he just studies. Stop being an elitist faggot.

>>8260501
>There is no use case where java is a good language

You forgot the use cases where you copy n paste all your CS assignments since you can't easily fingerprint Java code and write tons of mindless boilerplate to get enough partial credit to pass exams. Remember D's and C's get degrees!

CS majors just love Java. They wouldn't have graduated otherwise.

>>8260490
Java is an intentionally feature light language that is actually computationally heavy to appeal to businesses hiring programmers that are only java developers.

>>8260505
Your fucking stupid Java and Python couldn't be farther apart. I recommend starting to learn Python now OP.

>>8260478
People are meming you idiot.
Java is almost identical to c++ for someone who is beginning coding.
Obviously you will get tired of java's "simplifications" (read: limitations) after you know what you're doing, but its a great language to start with.
I prefer python as a starting language, but java is pretty good. It's just not great for someone doing advanced and crazy projects.
Lemme just say though, transferring from java to c++ is literally one of the easiest possible tasks you can imagine.

SICP is the best introduction to computer science.

>>8260509
>It's not like he has a choice in the language he gets to learn in class

He could take the intro to programming course in the EE/CpE department which is in C/C++.

>>8260556
>Java is almost identical to c++ for someone who is beginning coding.

Java forces you to use classes for everything. With C++ you can go half the course before seeing classes at all.

>>8260483
But still: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/OtherDocs/To%20the%20Budget%20Council%20concerning%20Haskell.pdf

"Haskell, though not perfect, is of a quality that is several orders of magnitude higher than Java, which is a mess (and needed an extensive advertizing campaign and aggressive salesmanship for its commercial acceptance)."

Should I bother learning C? I'm already somewhat proficient in C++. Are there things you can do in C that you can't in C++?

>>8261793
>Are there things you can do in C that you can't in C++?
You could have just googled this exact sentence. What do you expect people to tell you that you can't find by comparing the standards?

>>8260543
>Java and Python couldn't be farther apart.
Python is literally dynamically typed java with some added syntax sugar.

If you're not functionally retarded (as a LOT of programmers and CS guys are) you can learn using whatever language you want.

I started on Visual Basic, which based on the logic of the people upthread should have reamed my mind's asshole and ruined me forever, but I moved onto C and onward just fine.

Just like learning anything, you need the aptitude to understand what you're doing to be a good programmer.

How does /sci/ feel about Ruby?

>>8260595

Using classes for everything is retarded. If you want students to learn object oriented coding just tell them they're limited to those features

>>8261883
She should not have taken her love to town

>>8261793
>Are there things you can do in C that you can't in C++?

ABIs, 99.95% of the time you won't care about them.

>Should I bother learning C

Not much to learn after knowing C++.

http://www.ccs.neu.edu/course/com3620/parent/C-for-Java-C++/c-for-c++-alt.html

>>8261883
We don't do web-monkeying on /sci/

>>>/g/on_rails