/sci/ - Science & Math

more "salt" deposits, that they then suddenly never talk about again

I'm really hoping the camera spots something interesting in the clouds. I find the whole cloud planet thing very romantic.

It's a pity it's basically impossible to build some sort of probe that could go down and film in the atmosphere. Even Juno's camera can only be used for short periods before the radiation fucks it over.

>>8177626
Ive always been sort of afraid of jupiter. Thats my contribution to the thread, carry on.

>>8177828
As you should be.

>>8177656
I really wish it was possible to get a self sustaining aircraft that could withstand jovian winds.

That being said OP, one way missions to jool usually get about 400~600 science depending on the equipment.

>>8177828

Jupiter and Saturn aren't exactly "right" places considering our perspective. Humans are used to a rocky terrestrial planet with solid ground. We can understand the concept of a sky and clouds but wrapping your head about the size and depth of the gigantic ball of cloud belts and storms larger than our world isn't so easy. It's big, so big but also so bereft of landmarks that you'd be totally lost if you were floating above it in some sort of ship. You wouldn't have much luck going down either- Under the clouds there's no real defined boundaries, just gradually getting thicker the closer you get to the middle until it gets hard. That said there's a lot we don't know about what's down there, hence why Juno is important. It's super highly unlikely there's life there considering the environment but hey, there is apparently water so who knows. I don't really want to think about what sort of creature could survive that environment of radiation, blasting winds and a horrendous abyss beneath its "feet" though.

Also this is neat-
https://youtu.be/8CT_txWEo5I

It says hi.

>>8177626
>How much science do think we'll get?
All of the science

>>8178040
Way overly optimistic. Maybe 5% of the science at best.

>>8178041
Maybe even 6%, depending on funding

>>8177626
Juno, Dawn going to another body, Rosseta fate approaching, New Horizons extended... and almost no one talking on /sci/

>>8177656
is this really what the clouds would look like or is this bullshit?

>>8177653

Will Jupiter's core be made of metallic hydrogen?

>>8179046
Jupiter started as a terrestrial body like Earth when the solar system was forming, but much larger.

It was big enough that its gravity was able to keep hydrogen and helium from escaping into space (their escape velocity is so low that planets the size of Earth cannot hold on to them as atmospheric gas) so it and the other giants kept growing in size until all the available hydrogen gone.

The hydrogen that is deep inside is under so much pressure that it is in a metallic form, and its generates Jupiter's monstrous magnetic field.

The Juno probe should be able to get a good idea of how deep the metallic hydrogen is, and how large the core is.

tl:dr deep down inside of Jupiter is a super or mega Earth surrounded by gorillions of tons of hydrogen/helium.

>>8178807

Probably? Not like we can check.

>>8179167

I heard there's some scientists who think Jupiter may not even have a core currently.

>>8178801
>and almost no one talking on /sci/

Stupid fleshbags think they're tough enough to colonize Mars when even the venerable Matt Damon couldn't handle it...

>How much science do think we'll get?
bout tree fiddy

>>8179790
My understanding is that the core, if there is one, could be mixed with the metallic hydrogen and diluted over a large area.

>>8178807
I don't think the atmosphere would be blue.
Or rather the clouds are the atmosphere itself.

Judging by KSP, it depends whether you transmit the data or recover the vessle

>>8179926
>>8179167
>>8179790
>Jupiter started as a terrestrial body like Earth when the solar system was forming, but much larger.
>I heard there's some scientists who think Jupiter may not even have a core currently.
This is exactly what Juno is trying to find out, right now that's all speculation.

>>8179167
>metallic hydrogen
Whats that? How does metal come into play here?

Shouldnt it be Hydrogen and Helium in their critical state being both liquid and gaseus from the pressure and temperature?

>>8181215
Hydrogen is actually a metal, but is unable to express metallic properties in its gas form.

>>8181300
>but is unable to express metallic properties since its not a metal.

fixed.

>>8181351
Considering it expresses its metallic properties while compressed, no.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgEsf4QcR0Q&feature=youtu.be&list=PLTiv_XWHnOZpM1iLQr95P4KDXYiYnJUOE

Looks like a pretty great movie trailer

Enough scoence

I can usually get ~1000 on a quick and dirty mission to Jool, more if I visit the moons or abuse the labs though.

>>8179814
Matt Damon left Hydrogen Gas around an open flame with no supervision.

He deserved getting blown up, again, and losing his potato field.

Not long now.

a few 100 gigs of raw science, it will all have to be processed though, mind

>Once in Jupiter’s orbit, the spacecraft will circle the Jovian world 37 times during 20 months, skimming to within 3,100 miles (5,000 kilometers) above the cloud tops. This is the first time a spacecraft will orbit the poles of Jupiter, providing new answers to ongoing mysteries about the planet’s core, composition and magnetic fields.

Shit, how close can we get?

>>8177933
>there's no real defined boundaries

Doubtful, as we can see obvious patterning on the "surface" of the gasses. I hope we learn more soon though. The giant storm for instance may not even reach the solid surface.

>>8181351
>>8181215
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen

15 hours til orbital insertion.

>>8182504
1 minutes until my penis insertion into you're mom's vagina

>>8182702
looks like you failed your landing and hit her black hole instead.

Bump for sticky

I wonder if it will see another comet/asteroid strike like Galileo did.

There are 3 lego figurines near Jupiter atm onboard spacecraft Juno. And they will crash into Jupiter ending the mission!!!

T - 7hrs

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#public

BUMP

how long will it be before we get actual images on the internet?

>>8183326
Jupiter is a couple hundred million miles away, it'll take a while for the postman to get there, get the photos, and get back.

>>8183326
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2016/06090600-what-to-expect-from-junocam.html

omg it's full of info

>>8177828
Me too. It just looks so threatening. Like the eye of god looking straight at me.

>>8178807
What do you think yourself retard? Jupiter is like 5 times further out than earth. It's going to be pretty dark, except for the lightning in the stormclouds and maybe an incandescent glow from below emanating from the extremely hot inner layers.
It's a beautiful piece of art thought.

>>8181434
That was fucking awful. They're trying to market it like some kind of fucking shitty Hollywood movie. Why??
What the fuck is going on with NASA?

>How much science do think we'll get?

Sagan thought there could be life on Jupiter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uakLB7Eni2E

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1976ApJS...32..737S&data_type=PDF_HIGH&whole_paper=YES&type=PRINTER&filetype=.pdf

>>8183383
fuck off retard.
we finally have habbening here.
http://www.lizard-tail.com/isana/orb/misc/juno_spacecraft/

and crash of our 3 lego kerbals in 2018.

13 Jun 2016 - Begin JunoCam Approach Movie - Color images every ~22.5 minutes. Will show moons moving around Jupiter

http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2016/06090600-what-to-expect-from-junocam.html

>>8181434
>matrix green underlined titles
>le ebic tension building music
>biggest and baddest

Jesus christ NASA, was this marketed towards the marvel and dc fanboy crowd?

>>8183435
you would like it in anime isn't is furfag?

>>8177835
Speaking of which, why haven't we sent a probe to laythe yet? Pretty sure Juno could do a quick flyby.

>>8179167
it should be rammed into sun to keep is well fed for gorillion years more

>>8183460
Nigger what?

So the satellite is landing on Jupiter today? And the mission or whatever is called Juno?

>>8183508
>landing
>jupiter
What the fuck are you doing on /sci/?

>>8183415
>>8183460
Butthurt Interstellar fan detected.

Is there any live stream?

>>8183512
So it's not going to Jupiter or what? I don't know what your trying to get at.

>>8183522
Im not even gonna go through the trouble of explaining how fucking retarded you are.

>>8183522
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-announces-coverage-media-activities-for-juno-mission-arrival-at-jupiter

Links to streams and timetable here

>>8183522
It's going to orbit Jupiter, because it's impossible to land on a gas giant. No solid surface.

>>8183534
That makes sense. Thanks for not calling me retard.

>>8177828
>>8183357
I would pay good money for a VR experience of orbiting the gas giants recorded by the likes of 4K/8K RED cameras or something similar and beamed back to earth. I imagine it'd be immensely awestriking and humbling.

Yes, I'm aware of how impractical that is due to bandwidth limitations with the current state of space communications, but I'd buy the hell out of it nonetheless.

>>8177626

Jupiter Orbiter Insertion

>>8183426
>5 Jul 2016 Perijove 0 Jupiter Orbit Insertion at 2:30UT (19:30 July 4 PT). No science. 53.5-day orbit.
>No science
Seems like we have to wait a few months for the science.

>>8183567
Why/when did this become a thing?

MAKE JUPITER GREAT AGAIN

>>8183534
>No solid surface.

Jupiter has to have a solid surface or close to it.

NASA TV livestream started

>>8183855
SOUND DOESNT WORK

NASA YOU HAD ONE JOB

>>8183855
sauce
SAUCE

Is the JOI actually happening in 45 minutes or did it already start and they'll only get confirmation later?

>>8183858
GOOGLE NASATV

BURN STARTED

>>8183858
http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv

>>8183861
It started IRL just now, they will get confirmation of start later

>JOI hype intro was like a hollywood movie
I dunno if I laugh about it.

NASA JPL is an alternative, the audio seems borked on NASA TV.

>>8183870
I'm listening just fine.

When are they going to send pictures? I dont' really care about the rest

>>8183875
Probably in a few days, the press conference indicated that pictures were a low priority. Their only data will be telemetry indicating a good orbit.

The main camera, JunoCam, is very basic only a school science experiment.

>>8183875
Juno already sent some pictures 5 days ago
The camera is turned off until they get in orbit

>>8183875
It last 48 mins for pictures to reach Earth.

Who /peanuts/ here?

desu who cares about these computer apps? We already have Space Engine for that

>>8183885
/ryewhiskey/ here

>>8183881
I understand that but they may not start sending pictures right away. Plus I don't know what the rate of transfer for the pictures is going to be either

but when they do its gonna be L I T

>>8183886
This one gives you a live view of NASA's spacecraft.

WHEN WILL IT FUCKING HAPPEN

My normie friends were pretending to be excited about this today
I wonder how excited they will be after seeing that besides rocket launches space missions are really boring

>>8183895
the most exciting part about juno is the pictures it will send back

i mean

just look at cassini

even normies can appreciate that

>>8183891
It's already happening.

>>8183895
Don't worry about it.

It will go well, right guys?

>>8183899
Damn i love seeing Cassini's black and white pictures of Saturn
I just want more pictures of Neptune, how long would it take for a spacecraft to reach it?

Hoping for ayy lmaos

I can't wait until we have a vast network of laser relay satellites or something of that nature scattered throughout the solar system so transmitting information in either direction isn't such a pokey pain in the ass. Can't do anything about the latency but we can at least pump up the bandwidth and make it easy and cheap to send and receive signals on earth.

>>8183905
I always have low expectations about everything so if it goes well I'll get really happy and if it goes wrong I don't get disappointed.

>>8183905
>5 years and $1B down the toilet if it doesn't

Juno's JOI burn should now be complete, with Juno in a 3920 x 8029000 km x 89.8 deg polar Jovian orbit. 48 minutes to confirmation.

>Are we collecting science now?

I remember now, 2007... what a time to be alive, right? Don't believe that Juno will surpass Cassini but it'll be fun.

>>8183916
2012 was intense

>THAT SKYCRANE WILL NEVER WORK

>Gotta get the science

>>8183916
>Don't believe that Juno will surpass Cassini but it'll be fun.
why not?
did cassini have better imaging equipment?

>tfw nervous

>>8183925
Cassini and Juno are very different missions. Juno has an average camera and is not meant to do serious recon

>"are you collecting any science yet?"
-Gay Ching Chong, 2016

>chilean kid who can't even speak any english being part of the mission
>tfw first semester of physics and will never be as successful as that kid

>>8183915
Nope.

>>8183910
It's just a timed firing of a hypergol rocket, so as long as NASA double checked their units it's pretty unlikely to go wrong.

>>8183928
>Juno has an average camera and is not meant to do serious recon

hype levels obliterated
fuck this this imma outta here

nasa being useless as always

>>8183928
If you're already spending 1 billion on the mission why not spend a bit more for a superb camera?

>>8183936
Weight limits and a better camera is probably really expensive and beyond the scope of the mission's goal and budget.

I agree though, ideally every mission should have a kick ass camera.

We're on on the first burn. Keep your assholes clenched for good luck

MAIN ENGINE STARTED BOYS

FIREWORKS ON JUPITER

>>8183939
That's sad, i was expecting some amazing pictures

Remember to clap along kids.

How do I get a job in the space industry. I'm working towards a master's in aerospace right now.

>>8183935
NASA are more interested in the mangetic and radio studies of Jupiter than in taking more photgraphs. I'm sure they'll find a use for the camara images though.

>>8183936
It's probably a radiation issue. Cameras are particularly sensitive to radiation exposure, and Jupiter is a really harsh environment.

>>8183942
The camera's not THAT bad, it should still get some really neat pictures.

>>8183946
>Finish aerospace degree with good GPA
>Do some kind of engineering team project, put it on resume
>Apply to ULA, JPL, SpaceX, NASA, etc.

It worked boys

>>8183939
It'd be nice if every satellite and rover got a sweet 8k camera. But we obviously need that money to blow up the middle east.

>>8183948
Its that easy? Watching this shit is intimidating because I know how complicated this is.

>>8183949
We're not done yet. Still awaiting burn end confirmation.

>>8183946
>>8183948
I want /sci/'s opinion.... Is Orbital ATK a good company?

>>8183925
Everything about Cassini-Huygens was stuff of legend, Huygens landed on one of Saturn's moons and Cassini is still there working.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXwtDTk810s

Juno will be great, no doubt, now (and after New Horizons also), it's just one more mission.

Who here /NeptuneAllNight/?

>>8183954
Orbital ATK is fine, more of the "Old Space" that is tied to sat building, SLS parts and Russian engines. If you're in their area it'd be worth a try.

>>8183952
It's big picture steps but not easy, a lot of work to make sure you make yourself stand out from the competition. They're only going to hire the best.

>>8183951
Google says Junos cam is 1600x1200

>tfw triggered by the thought of forgetting to turn solar panels towards the sun

>>8183951
Actually it's because of how long it takes to develop one of these vehicles. 4k wasn't practical when the vehicle was designed or even launched

>>8183966
And it was old gear when they started designing the mission because you want to send something you know will work in space.

>>8183966
Regardless my point is that Nasa is severely underfunded.

>>8183965
I still don't understand why they used solar panels and not a RTG or something like that

I've actually been to this Lockheed Martin facility. The place is HUGE. They also have VR in there.

Uranus exploration when?

>>8183965
Did he die?

>>8183970
Not enough RTG material and this mission's duration is short enough that it would waste precious RTG

>>8183960
That sounds about right. I already do work for them, I'm always just curious what other people think about us. I don't think the company is beyond hope (I'm early 20s), it's just so hard to convince the old timers that it's worth footing the bill to upgrade from Shuttle era manufacturing infrastructure

>>8183973
When your mom's food stamps run out

>>8183976
only precious is due to lack of production. We have tonnes of the stuff under the ground

>>8183962
>hire the best.

https://blog.codinghorror.com/we-hire-the-best-just-like-everyone-else/

>>8183974
It is an empty suit.

>>8183985
"Officially"

>tfw the burn doesn't stop

CMON TARS

>>8183988
>Gets sucked into the great red spot

>Twitch plays Juno Orbiter

>>8183992
Last image transmitted is an eye looking back

so did everything go ok or did the acid melt the shit

QUIET

ALL OF YOU

They're entering the Jupiter paddock.

Legos IN SPACE

New Horizons so small.

>>8183996
8 min to nominal burn confirmation. We are at least in orbit, but not the correct one yet.

>>8183996
Seems like the hardest part of done. S/C is in good rotation and burn is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p39pERjIqAg

>dat retard chat stream on the right

This is why I'm a misanthrope.

>DO NOT PUB UNLESS Juno Fails to Make Its Way Into Jupiter’s Orbit
>
>At TKtime tonight, the conference room at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California filled with silence. No ooohs and aaaahs at fireworks displays here: The team of engineers had just received confirmation that their intrepid space probe, Juno, has failed to make its way into Jupiter’s orbit.
>
>That maneuver, a 35-minute ordeal that should have begun at 11:18 pm Eastern tonight, was the culmination of a five-year journey through space and many more years of work from the JPL team.

>>8184003

this just in, online "news" publications create story bases in advance of events to publish as quickly as possible.

>>8184003
did the author of that article get shit on for that

>>8184003
Love those pre-written obituaries. Especially useful for holidays.

ONE MINUTE LEFT

>>8184003
>DO NOT PUB UNLESS Trump Fails to Make America Great Again
>
>At TKtime tonight, the conference room at the White House in DC filled with silence. No ooohs and aaaahs at fireworks displays here: The team of shitposters had just received confirmation that their nimble navigator, Trump, has failed to make its way into the White House..
>
>That maneuver, a year long campaign that began last summer, was the culmination of a five-year journey through space and many more years of work from the Trump team..

What's really impressive is that they had to make orbital corrections en route to Jupiter. You need to recalculate everything make attitude correction and then burn again and hope you didn't miss your window.

What could we expect from James Webb telescope?

>>8184003
>>8184006
>>8184008

Excellent journalism at work here.

>DO NOT PUB UNLESS Juno Successfully Makes Its Way Into Jupiter’s Orbit
>
>At TKtime tonight, the conference room at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California erupted into cheers. No ooohs and aaaahs at fireworks displays here: The team of engineers had just received confirmation that their intrepid space probe, Juno, has successfully made its way into Jupiter’s orbit.
>
>That maneuver, a 35-minute ordeal that began at 11:18 pm Eastern tonight, was the culmination of a five-year journey through space and many more years of work from the JPL team.

>>8183977
How long can their space branch survive when its all more expensive than SpaceX launches, with no reuse planned..

U S A
S
A

she's done now lads

CLAPPING

Wooooooo

Good job USA, happy 4th.

>>8184020
NERDS AWKWARDLY SHOWING AFFECTION AND EXCITEMENT

>no USA USA USA USA
spacex is much cooler desu

MAKE JUPITER GREAT AGAIN

BUILD ASTEROID BELT

MAKE KUIPER BELT PAY FOR IT

NEW PIC

>>8183998
wtf why?

alright so now that they successfully got it there, how soon can we expect any kind of information for the layman to come out?

NOT ENOUGH CLAPPING

CLAP MORE

MORE CLAPPING

>>8184028
muh outreach

>>8184028
Product placement IN SPACE

>>8181525
Top kek

>>8184027
kek

Now get back to work, bitches.

all that autismal excitement and awkward physical contact

>>8184029
Science instruments won't be turned on for another 50 hours, after they get the solar panels charging batteries again

USA won We're not in Jupiter

>>8184016
They just need 3 more toy companies to sign up for sending ads to space. Remember the Redbull launch? No what a Nascar looks like with all those logos on it? That's what NASA will need to do.

>>8184038
This. They're all acutely aware of the cameras and their nerdlinger instincts are kicking in.

>>8184028
>>8183998

the farthest that any lego has ever traveled

Should have gone to Europa instead.

>>8184039
>solar panels in jupiter orbit

Couldn't they get power from the magnetic field or something

>>8184046
Gotta figure out how bad the radiation is first.

>>8184039
In the live stream the guy said there'd be no science being done until August.

>>8184046
Can't.

Does the spacecraft decay orbit after its mission? Can someone confirm?

>>8184056
The Juno mission is planned to only last 37 orbits (about 2 weeks long each)

Then it will be intentionally de-orbited into Jupiter to prevent Europa contamination

https://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html

>Juno hogging all the DSN

>>8184057
this is nasa, this thing could orbit 350 times if they can figure a way to do it safely and keep collecting data

especially if the chemistry is interesting

where the fuck is jupiter

Where can we see more recent pictures? Are there any yet?

>>8184064
Lol

>>8184064
In space

>>8184070
It will be a while, they've gotta finish the insertion and do all the checks and such before they start gathering any data.

There's this video from the approach though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjfQCTat-8s

>>8184070
nope, they are still booting shit up. no pictures for awhile. it only has 500W of power, sun is dim as balls

@NASAJuno
>Here comes the sun. Starting to turn back to sun-pointed attitude. #Jupiter

>>8184064
what the fuck is jupiter

>>8184064
RA: 11h15m31s
dec: +06°04'12''

Dumb question, could a radiation-hardened form of today's ultra efficient smartphone tech be rolled into an orbiter like Juno for immense power savings? That would make radio transmission the only energy-intensive thing it does and open up options for power sources.

I assume this hasn't been done yet mainly because there' haven't been many probes launched within the smartphone era. Today's ARM SoCs should be more than powerful enough for the task given that they've been using radhardened variants of single core PowerPC G3s and G4s up until now, which are many times weaker than what you'd find in today's budget smartphones

>>8184088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbZ3hO7AypE

>>8184055
whats the context behind this?

>>8184099
You serious m8?

would we die if Jupiter turned into a sun ?

>>8184101
Give Anon a break, it's from the shitty sequel.

>>8184104
It's a good movie actually.

>>8184102
yup, but it'd need like 22x more matter.

we can't even lift and light the bitch, thought it might be possible by stealing tom red giant sun

>>8184091
Well yes a modern probe would use far more power efficient SoCs though I'm not sure if phone SoCs would be the right tools for the job.

Phone SoCs tend to have lots of stuff a probe wouldn't need, like a GPU. Even stuff like 8 core CPUs and stuff can be pointless for what the probe actually needs to do.

>>8184114
Imagine when we just start mass producing autonomous probes
SpaceX could launch probes themselves and sell the data to schools/universities/governments/etc

>>8184114
There are plenty of chips that don't have too many extraneous features but have the necessary ones. Even if there weren't the worst case is you have some extra heat sink. Or you mine bit coins. Whatever.

>>8184016
I work for their propulsion systems...I agree that reusable is the future, but the solid propellent market will never go away. Missile production and nuke maintenance are always gonna rely on long term storage, so liquid reusables will never be the way to go. If SpaceX starts demonstrating first stage reuse and profitability, I'm hoping it will kick-start the old assholes into investing our capital and manufacturing infrastructure into adapting. Although tbqh I don't think we'll ever be able to compete with SpaceX in the transport field. The current plan to develop satellite servicing is a pretty good one IMO, since no one else is doing it and there's a market to tap

Ah, so America wins again

>>8184131
>but the solid propellent market will never go away.
Solid propellant for non-ICBM spacelaunch will go away as soon as the government stops shovelling pork at it.
It's only existed because of lobbying after all.

Even ICBM's & missiles could be largely moved over to liquid fueled.

I don't think satellite servicing will be a winning strategy, how much of a market can actually exist? SpaceX has talked about doing like 90 launches a year within 3-4 years.
Who's going to pay Orbital ATK 100 million to refuel/service their existing satellite, when they can pay SpaceX 10 million just to launch a new one?

>>8184046
That movie sucked so hard.

>>8184099

http://2001.wikia.com/wiki/Europa

Starchild wanted Europa to evolve and develop on its own.

>>8184143
>Solid propellant for non-ICBM spacelaunch will go away as soon as the government stops shovelling pork at it. It's only existed because of lobbying after all.

I totally agree

>Even ICBM's & missiles could be largely moved over to liquid fueled

Completely disagree. Why have a bunch of expensive cryogenic systems constantly on standby why you can just light the candle whenever you feel like?

>>8184143
>I don't think satellite servicing will be a winning strategy, how much of a market can actually exist?

And the argument there is that it prevents space junk if we quit filling up already crowded orbits with a bunch of junk sats

fuck the video of Jupiter and its moons gave fucking chills

>>8184143
liquid fuel ICBMs and SLBMs are a liability.

China uses liquid fuel ICBMS. They are pretty much worthless. As we can see them being fueled and nuke them before they can launch.

press conference link

http://www.ustream.tv/NASAJPL2

>>8184161
Me too. Incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk_V6R_pGfM

When Juno orbits Jupiter, This song will go out to Europe and Asia, from America.

With all these space missions and whatnot it still baffles me people are retarded enough to believe the Flath Earth Theory and somehow think that everything from NASA is false.

>>8184170
>it still baffles me people are retarded enough to believe the Flath Earth Theory

It really shouldn't. Most are 100% trolls and the ones that "believe" in it are doing it for attention and to get on tv shows/news

>>8184161
Link?

>>8177828
fucking this, that pic made me nervous as hell>>8177656

>>8184155
>Why have a bunch of expensive cryogenic systems constantly on standby
Solid rocket boosters ain't cheap either, and there is the constant explosion.

It's not like they don't have drawbacks

>>8184170
No one believes in a flat Earth. Go to the beach on the East coast and you'll see that Europe is out of sight.

If you still can't tell, drive a boat a thousand miles out an Europe is still out of sight.

>>8184171
>Most are 100% trolls and the ones that
This whole sentence is hilarious.

>>8184172
It was in the livestream I linked, but I'm sure it'll be on the front page of reddit tomorrow.
It was an extended version of this video they posted on instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHcNjPLghVT/

What the instagram video doesn't show is Jupiter slowly getting bigger accompanied by epic background music.

First SpaceX successful landing, and now we've sent something that can orbit Jupiter.

What a time to be alive.

>>8184178
There are 7 billions of humans in this planet. So yes, some of those believe in a flat Earth.

>>8184171
I dnno man, there are a lotta fucking crazy people out there

>>8184184
I'm talking about people that matter.

There are millions of people who believes the Earth is like 30 thousand years old or something, of course there would be people who believe Earth is flat.

>>8184178

You can also visually see the sun set twice. First lay on your belly facing the setting sun. The very moment the last bit of light of the sun goes over the horizon, immediately stand right up as quickly as you can. You'll see the sun set again.

On a flat Earth, this wouldn't be possible.

>>8183383
To suck cash or of the plebs. Their the ones using the money for science, they can collect it using whatever means they wish.

Not to mention getting more kids interested in order to help grow the community!

>>8184187
No you didn't.

>state of the art intruments
>launched 5 years ago

~___~

>>8184194
Anything more advanced would take another 5 years to go to Jupiter. The stuff they're using is definitely state of the art

Live simulation of Juno's position

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA5-4agpDpg

anyone make a webm of the approach vid?

>>8184194
State of the art as of launch, not state of the art as of now.

>>8184191

>>8184199
Nice!

>>8184196
Doesn't even take 2 years to get to jupiter

>>8184189
I was thinking about it. If we lived on a flat Earth, the sun would rise in the North east and set in the northwest, not rise in a linear path like it does.

>>8184208
You're right, I'm sure they'll be able to get there much quicker now with the better tech and the knowledge of actually getting there, but it took them 5 years to get it into orbit this time.

>>8184183
Didn't we do that back in the '90s?
>>8184189
I think that'd still be possible on a flat earth, so long as the sun was going behind a hill or something. I'm going to have to try it sometime though, it sounds like fun, though there might be too many trees around here for it to really work.

>>8181434
BRAVO NOLAN

>>8184208
In fact it took New Horizons 8 moths to get close enough to Jupiter for a gravity assist and to take pictures of Jupiter and its moons

>>8184213
Depends how brutal the radiation is, but the next probe could use aerobraking on jupiter

>all those KSP jokes
muh niggas

>tfw "friends" think this mission is useless aND we should use the money to feed the niggers

>>8184220
Tell them to use all their money to feed stray cats & rats & cochroaches
Or they are fucking hypocrites

>>8184185
Yeah, but flat-earth isn't the kind of "theory' most crazy people like. It doesn't make the believers special enough.

>>8184224
I like the expanding earth theory

>>8184220
B-but there's a nigger working at Goddard
He's supposedly a technician of some kind but pretty sure he just cleans the floors and exposes himself to the white science women

>>8184223
I would prefer "waste" money on cool science shit like this than killing foreigners or paying people to not be productive.

>>8183973
>Uranus exploration
I shit you not, I once read something about how it is harder to get funding for this, because it is such a meme planet

>>8184227
>or paying people to not be productive.
That's not how welfare spending works.

>>8184225
Whoa that's spooky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kL7qDeI05U

>>8184229
Thats in fact exactly how almost all government spending works

>>8184200
Here is the video they showed in the Livestream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpsQimYhNkA&feature=youtu.be

>>8184238
That is vastly less embarrassing than >>8181434

This is as much my victory as it is those engineers who worked on Juno

>>8184228
They should really consider changing its name.

It's fucking great. The last years were amazing for space exploration. All this winning.
Hope Juno keeps going strong

>>8184247
https://imgur.com/gallery/wNPVv

>>8184238
tfw i'll never be a space probe

>>8184232
shit how do we explain that?

>>8184203
They normally use time tested technology so it was state of the art five years before they build it.

>>8183919
That shit was the shit.

>>8184228
>>8184247

It's such a weird ass name.

>your-anus
>urine-us
>oo-rah-noose

You just can't win.

>>8184028
Just lego man. Don't hold onto that anger, just lego.

>>8184232
Damn it's late, this makes a lot of sense.

>>8177626
>>8179167
>>8181434
>>8183357
>>8183561
>>8183857
>>8183861
>>8184027
>>8184076
>>8184238
>>8184232
>>8184329
You guys still fall for nasa bullshit?

All we got is CGI selfies of Juno near Jupiter and CGI pics of Jupiter. This shit is fake as fuck. Shit even the pictures of Juno probe is CGI.

Sage

GET IN HERE

>>8184456

>>8184356
Shrinking the Earth would not move the continents.

>>8184247
Make it King George again

>>8184460
>missing the point entirely

>>8184460
But would shrinking my girth prevent incontinence?

>>8184173
Word Jupiter is terrifying and I don't know why

>>8184500
Leave mummy out of this.

>>8177626
Whers the pictures! This is so fucking annoying i really want some close up pictures of this motherfucker already

>>8179167
please tell me it's closer than that and we can get some HD fucking pics

>>8177933
>It's super highly unlikely there's life

Floaters
Sinkers
Hunters

Thread continued

>>8184456

GET IN THERE

>>8181434
The point is to captivate the minds of ordinary folks. This is important to maintain solid support for space exploration in the future as well.

>>8177653
Back to /x/, paranoid faggot.

>>8183672

...because of all the autists and bored neets

http://www.xvideos.com/?k=joi

>>8184003
>10:66 PM
Americans...

I keep saying the Jupiter is really a giant sleeping creature that's generating the atmosphere around it as a defense mechanism, and doing all this will wake it up and get it pissed at us, but no one believes me.

Mission Jupiter is being narrated like a wrestling match.

AMERICA

>>8183919

USA CRUSHIN' IT

>>8183460
dude what

>>8181215
When it is compressed at low temps it takes on properties seen commonly in metals, behaving like Lithium I believe. Experiments have show with minor lithium doping it hydrogen can take on metallic properties at lower pressures, I don't think this has been completely verified however, this field of research is quite exciting with respect to super conductors given the abundance of Hydrogen.

>>8177626
we'll get about 400 science. I'll finally be able to unlock the damn radioisotope generator

>>8184170

>>8177830
>>8177828
autists. if it wasn't for jupiter we'd be just a dead ball of rock right now

>>8187101
Source.

>>8177835
Easiest solution would be to make a floater, for instance a large evacuated glass sphere containing the payload and antenna. It would float in the atmosphere like a piece of wood in an ocean.

>>8187830
>It would float in the atmosphere like a piece of wood in an ocean.

It would sink in the atmosphere like a large glass sphere would in the atmosphere here on Earth.

Attempting to float anything in the atmosphere of Jupiter is a pipe dream. The closest you could get to a persistent probe with current technology is some form of glider, while hoping it can find the thermals needed to stay aloft.

>>8187869
You don't believe in buoyancy?

>>8187924

I've no problem with buoyancy. It's the evacuated glass sphere I have issues with, or indeed an attempt to manufacture anything that will float in a hydrogen/helium mix.

>>8187963
OK.

Well, we have glass spheres that have worked the Mariana trench.
En route to Jupiter we coast through space, known for its vacuum. So vent the bubble there and seal before dive. Thus the bubble has lower density than the atmosphere of Jupiter some way down.
Pressure increases with depth and sooner or later you will reach neutral buoyancy.

>>8187977
>sooner or later you will reach neutral buoyancy.

But probably not before you reach temperatures higher than the melting point of glass, or pressures in excess of the Marina trench.