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vectors have a set of rules they need to obey (e.g. scalar addition/multiplication/etc)

Do matrices/tensors also have a set of governing rules?

>plz help

>> No.8097400

>>8097375
The set of linear operators from a vector space V to a vector space W is itself a vector space.

>> No.8097401

>>8097375
yes and no. "matrices" are not a group. it's easier if you restrict yourself to a set of matrices that all obey the same rules. for example, you can solve many problems if you only consider the set of NxN invertible matrices. those obey a similar set of rules as the ones you described.

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8097403

>>8097401
what about tensors?

>> No.8097409

>>8097403
>8097403
>7403
>4
>what about tensors
>about
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>>>/tv/

>> No.8097413

>>8097401
>>8097403
Also what about multivectors? Is that the point of multivectors - forming a group or other structure? What do multivectors bring that tensors do not have?

>> No.8097418

>>8097403
a dot product is a homomorphism from vector space to metric space, so no.

>> No.8097421 [DELETED] 

>>8097375
Matrices have to be linear transformation.

L(av⃑+bw⃑)=aL(v⃑)+bL(w⃑)

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8097428

>>8097418
>mfw today I discovered metric space is a thing

>> No.8097439

>>8097418
>homomorphis between vector space and metric space
Black nigger what are you on.

>> No.8097448

>>8097428
metric space is a set with a distance defined between points of the set

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8097453

>>8097448
in laymans terms, whats the difference between a space and a field?
(e.g. scalar field/vector field) vs (vector space/metric space)

Im not looking for rigor, just some intuition

>> No.8097459
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8097459

>>8097375
You sir, should study abstract algebra.
There are many ways to represent mathematical objects using matrices and tensors, and that subject covers a plethora in great detail.

>> No.8097460

>>8097453
Fields have addition and mult.
Vector spaces over fields add the operations of vector addition and scalar mult.

>> No.8097463

>>8097439
idiocy. it's not a homo, but it does take elements from a vector space to a metric space - unless i'm still an idiot...

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>>8097459
>abstract algebra

>> No.8097479

>>8097453
'Space' is more or less just a synonym for a set, except that you typically only call a set a space if it also has some extra 'structure' (think rules or axioms). A metric space is a set where the objects have a metric function defined on them. A topological space is a set where the set has a topology defined on then. A vector space is a space that obeys the axioms for a vector space. A field can be viewed as a kind of space. It is also possible for a set to be many different types of spaces at the same time. For instance the reals are a metric space, a topological space, a vector space, and a field.

>> No.8097481

>>8097463
Well, you're definitely an idiot in any case. Aside from that, the metric on R doesn't really play a role here. What matters is the ordering and the structure of R as a vector space over itself. Now what you have is a bilinear map from V x V to R, which is the same as a linear map from the tensor product V(x)V (which is again a vector space) to R. So if anything, you have a homomorphism between vector spaces.

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>>8097479
elaborate on what you mean by
>A field can be viewed as a kind of space

Not catching your drift on that part

>> No.8097512

>>8097486
A field is a set that also obeys the ring axioms. This restriction is said to give it structure. So really a field is a space as well.

That said, I believe it may be unusual to actually call a field a space, not because it's wrong but because it's just uncommon.

>> No.8097514

>>8097512
Whoops, I should have said field axioms.

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>>8097514
thanks annon

>> No.8097533

>>8097375
who is she?

>> No.8097540

>>8097481
i'm not talking about the cross product, which is why i said "dot product"

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8097545

>>8097533
someone who is out of your league

>> No.8097568

>>8097540
Well aware of that. My post remains fully correct.

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8097581

>mfw this is the only thread on /sci/ involving intelligent discussion of any sorts

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>>8097545

>> No.8098417

>>8097581
it is a fact that pedophiles are marginally make up the smarter percent of the population