/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7990904
You majored in CS

If you learned chemistry online only, you would be a shit chemist.

Lab experience and an instructor to direct your learning and destroy your confirmation bias of your own work is seriously important.

>>7990937
Honestly anon, why are chemist so undervalued in society and the workforce. I know the chemistry meme but chemistry can be very complex and fundamental to the world that we live in. Have we just hit the ceiling of world changing chemical discovery?

>>7990999
probably because it's largely trial and error

>>7990904
>Freshman pure math
>Given a short test where you have to do 2 proofs by induction
>Do the first one
>Then get completely stuck on the second one
>Time is up
>Professor sees that everyone else did not even do the first proof so this would be an all around 0, so he allows us to take the quiz home and then turn it back tomorrow
>The moment I get home I try to solve it, brain on full power
>No luck
>Give up
>Try to google the proof by induction practices to see if I can find this problem
>Nowhere to be seen
>Try to google the expression to be proven
>Nowhere to be seen
>Get desperate and google proof by induction practices in Spanish because maybe I will find it there
>No fucking luck

Basically, freshman year and already the things they are giving us do not exist outside the mind of our professors.

Btw, I could prove it later. Who would have thought that you had to expand the expression, then treat it like a polynomial, solve for the roots to factorize, and then cancel some shit. 10/10, would consider suicide again.

>>7990999
chemistry is relevant in so many fields: physics, biology, engineering, etc. but the knowledge that is actually useful in these fields is so specialized it's not even worth calling it chemistry anymore. Anyone that calls themself a chemist is just spreading themselves way too thin. It's good to have a few experts in the field but what is really needed is the applied chemistry. All the simple shit is well known, so the only thing left is to develop experiments for studying obscure/complex chemicals.

Physicists and engineers need data on materials and reactions in order to build a strong model/theory of reality. Chemists can explore the theory behind what they're experimenting on, but at that point they are really just studying physics. Even coming up with the experiments is better left to the engineers who already know specifically what they are looking for.

I know this is the biggest meme in STEM but pure chemistry really is just stamp collecting. The shit I'm researching has no applicable use other than predicting the weather and claiming that is still a stretch, so maybe I'm being a bit hypocritical. This is all coming from an astrophysics major, so I have no idea what I'm talking about because I've never taken an upper level chem class. I'm assuming at some point in the upper level work it becomes more like applied quantum mechanics than chemistry.

>>7990999
Nice trips family.

It's mainly because 90% of chemist work as production monkies or make pills for big pharma.

>>7990999
>Off by one

You poor bastard

>>7990904
>drop out in high school
>float around while my friends graduate, go to college, and generally wreck their lives with massive debt
>start my own business
>have employees
>have manager who does everything for me
>have 0 debt, own 3 personal vehicles and 3 houses
>credit is terrible due to never having a loan, mortgage, or credit card
>15 years later, friends have even more debt on top of their original debt plus 10% to 35% interest and random debt
>shitpost on 4chan all day
>ultra jelly friends and family call me "lazy", "black sheep", "good for nothing", and other self-projecting terms not worth mentioning

mfw

>>7991032
And that's a damn shame because chemistry is so fascinating. The whole history of it and the badass discoveries people made in medicine and industrial products. Just learning about the MSRE and the use of thorium to create nuclear power in a salt solution is such a badass story and the chemical knowledge behind it. It seems like a cool knowledge base but fucking worthless if you just go for a your year in it.

>>7991044
>off by 9000

fixed

>>7991063
That is a nice story, good for you my man.

This shows why university is not to get a job, but to get into the community of the field you want to study.

You want to go to college for money? Why not just start a company and make money immediately.

You want to get into the community of physics or math? Then go to university and start networking with researchers.

Furthermore, I also think that people should only go to university if they live in a country that offers tax funded higher education.

Seriously, I've heard of one semester in the US costing 100k while I had to pay 20$ to apply to the school and 30$ per semester, everything else is paid for by taxes.

>>7991063
what kind of business?

>>7991063
>In EU
>No debt
>Top uni with the head of the maths department coming from a Cambridge/Oxford background
>Guaranteed job in risk analysis at Zurich as long as I maintain my first class results in my final year (it's already an 88% average so I'm golden)

Still wish I got working earlier though, writing and reading are my passions. Mathematical ability is just a bragging right

>>7991072
>Seriously, I've heard of one semester in the US costing 100k while I had to pay 20$ to apply to the school and 30$ per semester, everything else is paid for by taxes.

Can't imagine what sort of country eats its young like that. Sad!

>>7991074
Just PC repair.

In between shitposting I like to pretend I'm a farmer, but it really is only a hobby.

>>7991072
True, but it isn't for everyone. Like most people actually need a course on business to understand how to have even a simple business. I think it isn't how smart/dumb they are but how their life has been rigorously structured to need someone to tell them how to do things instead of learning them on their own.

>I had to pay 20$ to apply to the school and 30$ per semester, everything else is paid for by taxes.

Fucking amazing. Yeah, in the USA, I call colleges "tuition farms" because that is all they really are. Much of the education isn't worth anything in the real world, it is just there to eat up your money learning it. In the USA, if you can go to college exclusively on grants alone, I'd say go for it, but don't do it out of pocket or via loans. Even for making social contacts, colleges are not that great unless it is in purely STEM fields and you're willing to travel all over.

>>7991082
I now think that the best course of action for young people is to get into work/business as fast as possible and take courses for subjects they want to learn in their spare time. But, only if they want special jobs in fields that require actual education. However, most places only require low level education and the rest you need to learn is payed for by the company itself to educate you (especially government jobs in the USA).

The advantage of working as much as possible as early as possible is to pad your resume and gain much needed experience at a time when you are better supported by your peers and family.

>>7991063
I hate this shit, I had a lodger who accused me of "sitting at home all day being lazy" Well fuck you, the business that I set up to enable this took some effort you know. Fucking wagecucks. Well done anon.

>>7991111
How are you still making money off of the PC industry? Isn't that market saturated as fuck? If I google "PC repair" there's a million Indians willing to do it for pennies.

>>7991131
Yeah, I dislike that too. I know it actually has nothing at all to do with me and what I do or don't do. It has everything to do with how they feel about their own lives. While I don't have to like them for it, I don't have to hate them for it. They were just ignorant at a time when it was most crucial for them to not get into debt. Society had it in for them from the start by the way it was structured. I'm not really sure how I dodged that bullet as well as I did.

>>7991138
Where I live there are nothing but rednecks and old people willing to let someone else do it for them. There's no other company here doing this and we also do it in-home most of the time (don't do that, it is terrible! lol) There are no indians here. In fact there are barely any non-whites here at all. I haven't seen any minorities in a few years even at the grocery store.

You are correct though, the market still get saturated even with only us here. Thus, we have to cover a rather large area to make it viable. However, I'm not keen on making millions, I only need enough money to live on and put a little away for savings, nothing more.

>>7990999
If you work as a chemist in the industry you're just going to be doing the same thing over and over again. Unless you're doing research or working with exceedingly dangerous material someone could be trained to do your job in three months.

>tfw went to university for chemistry
>spend my week doing the same exact reaction

At least it pays well.

>>7991149
Let me guess, a couple friends asked for your help and your name spread around town? Lucky you, I had a tuition business that started like that.

>>7991151
When I'm a physician in a few years, I will have a wojak doll and ask my patients this question.

Screenshot this post.

>>7991072
>>Seriously, I've heard of one semester in the US costing 100k
That's literal bullshit

>>7991063
>>7991131
Where did you learn to start a business and how did you come up with an idea?

>>7991188
If you put down the cost of living at the university + tuition it's not the unlikely if you go to an out of state school.

>>7991161
>Let me guess, a couple friends asked for your help and your name spread around town?

Yup, ever since I was 16yo. It is amazing what you can do with an external storage device, a copy of Windows whatever version, and an internet connection to fix people's PCs at a premium price. I was also the only person in the area who backed up the client's files BEFORE formatting everything and reinstalling everything. Which was the 1 thing I think that put me at the top of the list of word-of-mouth, in the beginning.

>>7991188
True, the most expensive semesters are half that, in the $50k range.

>>7991205
The absolute most expensive out of state schools are about $40k a year, which is $20k a semester in tuition. Unless you're spending $20k a month on rent and food, you're not coming close to $100k.

>>7991205
You're dumb as fuck.

>>7991215
>>7991214
>actually paying 40,000 dollars for an education
>PER YEAR

Americans everyone

>>7991193
I didn't "learn" anywhere really. I just started printing business cards, made money until it was more than just a "hobby", filed for a business license, paid the tax quarterlies that came in, and shot from the hip the entire way through. Since it was near $0 output on my part and 100% $ input it was easy to build up enough to start hiring people. The hardest part is finding good employees. PC people are really temperamental, insidiously spiteful when miffed about something, and prone to wandering off. Thankfully, it isn't as bad as call center people, holy fuck, do not hire ex-call center people EVER.

>>7991214
>>7991188
>>7991205
>>7991215
>>7991223
pic
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>>7991223
>actually paying for Tyrone and Ahmed's education
>FOR THE REST OF YOUR PATHETIC LIFE

Eurofags everyone.

>>7991215
>Argument: University costs can go as high as 100k per semester
>Counterargument by literal Einstein here: AVERAGE FEES
>AVERAGE
>FEES
>AVERAGE
>A
>V
>E
>R
>A
>G
>E
>As high as
>AVERAGE
>AVERAGE

EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH AT THE RETARD

>>7991193
>Option 1 you have some new idea that no-one else has.
>Option 2 someone offers to pay you to do something, you roll with it and ask for more customers
>Option 3 someone tells you they are doing something and suggest you jump on the bandwagon
My option 1 was a 3D printed statue business Nobody else in the area was doing it at the time but this also meant that I had to spend on advertising to create a market that did not yet exist (nobody gets out of bed thinking "hey I'd like a 3D printed statue") so that flopped
My option 2 was the tuition business, I made money from that but because it was through recommendations it never got big and couldn't pay the bills
My option 3 was property rental, Saw my mum making money off of spare rooms so I did it too. Trying to get a mortgage on another property so I can rent that out too. Big money.
Because I'm a pop-sci tech nerd at heart I am going back to option 1 by trying to market some ideas of mine. Currently working on a new more extra efficient drone that I'll put on kickstarter or something.

>>7990904
nobody goes to college to make money. you can make good money in the trades or by starting your own business.

its super easy to own a few liquor stores or pawn shops and makes boatloads of cash.

people go to college because its the mark of the upper class, and people in professional society will look down on you as an uneducated pleb regardless of how much money you make.

if shoveling shit paid a million dollars a year and you only had to work a few hours a day, people would still not do it and choose to go to college instead.

>>7991234
sell vice. cigarettes and alcohol never go out of style.

little bodega's make good money.

>>7991230
>Eurofags everyone.

>Implying that this isn't exactly what american 'affirmative action' does.

>>7991223
Not only is that not the point we were discussing, pretty much nobody is going to pay out of pocket or through loans to go to one of the three most expensive out of state schools.

>>7991227
That's still only $25k a semester in tuition at the most expensive private colleges (who only charge full tuition if you are in the top 1% elite wealth). How much do you usually pay for room and board in yurope that you think this will come out to $100k a semster?

>>7991230
It doesn't matter where you live, if you are a part of any type of system, you pay most of your income to that system. It may be directly paying it via tuition or indirectly via taxes or higher cost of living in your area.

>>7990912
This pic doesn't make sense. An Indian wouldn't receive a rejection from a code monkey job

>>7991245
>How much do you usually pay for room and board in yurope that you think this will come out to $100k a semster?

I wasn't the one saying it was 100k and I was in no way showing it is 100k. I just posted info, nothing more.

>>7991240
nah, because veterans fall under affirmative action and thats who most places use to fill their quota's.

>>7991214
>Forty thousand dollars a year to listen to an old bearded guy read a book aloud

Americucks everyone

>>7991252
I assume that is what you tell yourself at night to be able to sleep.

You know what is happening. You know that Tyrone is getting free tuition, and not the good type of Tyrone, the Tyrone with a 1.5 highschool GPA. And you know that the reason your tuition is so high is because they have to pay Tyrone's professors so all of you split his bill while he fucks your sister.

Americucks.

>>7991253
>to listen to an old bearded guy read a book aloud
Is this why university is so cheap in Europe? Because you don't actually get an education?

>>7991253
>old bearded guy read a book aloud
just because europes have an outdated teaching methodology doesn't mean that the US does.

you faggots have been doing lecture + one shot finals for almost 300 years now, and are somehow proud of the fact that it hasn't changed.

>>7991259
>>7991261

If you are going to pretend that in your university, 90% of the time you are not just listening to one old guy speak loudly to all of you then fine. However, don't expect anyone to believe your bullshit.

Now niggas be saying that they take lectures on the moon or some shit.

>>7991239
You need a licensed shop for that and if you are going to buy a shop you may as well buy a house and rent it out. Funny you mention vice though because my mum went full wtf on me saying she's always wanted to open a strip club and I pointed out the problem with opening vice businesses is that it's hard to get support for it. Pretty much all business startup groups say no vice.

>>7991257
>Yoorofags projecting and trying to cover up the fact that they directly pay for each and every nigger and arab's education completely

Keep grasping for straws though, lad.

>>7991257
>You know that Tyrone is getting free tuition

but he isn't. scholarships are still based on merit, not need. affirmative action only applies to acceptance and hiring. has nothing to do with paying for tuition.

>>7991261
>>7991259
Please enlighten me on why sitting in a lecture theatre in America is so much more advanced than doing so in Europe

>>7991278
Okay, lets use logic here.

European tuition: At most 100$

I don't know how fucking thin they spread those 100$ to pay for Tyrone's tuition but I guess your guess is as good as mine.

American tuition: 50000$
Now there, you could take all that and pay for 5000 semesters for Tyrone. There it makes sense that there'd be bill splitting, as all of you are paying so much.

Think about it for a second, I know your american education has left you retarded but just try a bit harder.

>>7991278
>Europe 5% nigger
>Merica 25% nigger
Yeah sure we spend more money on niggers than you that makes perfect statistical sense...

>>7991261
Maybe you know, but which college is it in the USA (or anywhere) that offers entire college course plans to be done exclusively online via video chat conferences? Like, you never have to set foot on campus from sign up to graduation so long as you have an internet connection of some kind.

>>7991281
>implying that the pro-minority bias doesn't extend beyond acceptance

Oh man, there really are two kinds of americans. Those who embrace that they are cucks, and those that will deny it till the end of time.

Guess which cuck type you are?

Americucks everyone.

>>7991290
You know that money comes from somewhere right?

>>7991297
Only if you include the cost of keeping people in prison.

>>7991303
From taxes, so technically the bill would be split between all europeans, not just student.

And as one guy pointed, out, the percentage of minorities in Europe is smaller than in America.

But in the US the bill is entirely split between you, pennyless college student that can barely afford to post in 4chan.... while Tyrone fucks your girlfriend.

Americucks everyone.

>>7991273
>You need a licensed shop for that
liquor licenses are not that expensive and nobody is going to put up much of a fuss about a sports bar. a strip club, yeah, but not a little beer n wings joint.

>if you are going to buy a shop you may as well buy a house and rent it out

your profit per month on a house is capped, while the mark up on booze is nuts and you can sell as much of it as you have drinking customers. you are charging like 4$ a shot out of a 30$ bottle, and you get like 25 shots out of it.

>>7991278
>Americucks trying to cover up the fact that they pay for tyrone's house and 17 kids

Keep grasping for straw though, lad

>>7991300
>implying you know the system better than i do
lol faggot, i register as a minority, they can't prove i'm not mexican or general brown person. all it is, is a stupid check in a box.

i've worked every angle possible in order to get college paid for by someone else, and i'm telling you being covered by affirmative action only gets your foot in the door. you get very little in terms of tangible financial help.

do you think there is somebody in the admissions office making sure people are "brown enough" to qualify for this or that program? lol how fucking stupid do you have to be m8.

>>7991321
I'll think about it but there is the constant risk of your joint getting shot up and your licensed revoked. Seen it happen a lot.

>>7991341
>You don't get a free ride in the United Cucks of America for being brown.

>>7991378
not in general. i applied for welfare/SSI several times, and i sat in that office with all color of people, and they were held to the same standards as i was. just about anybody can get EBT for food nowadays. its pretty sweet for a guy in college.

Paying for university sucks. I have a scholarship that pays for all of the tuition fees but I still have to take out loans to pay for housing/food.

The difference in average earned income over an entire career between those with college degrees and those without is greater than the average debt kids graduate with, so for most college is a decent investment.

I do feel bad for people who will graduate with near $100k in debt, a shoddy degree, and no real work experience but these people are the minority.

>>7990904
Hey, I'm in uni just to get to interact with people who are passionate about physics, push my understanding further and to actually get a job that doesn't require me pouring pints.

>>7991223
>pic says $20k
>let me just double that so my point sounds better
>also I'm jealous that all the world's best universities are in the US

>>7991215
>Public
>Have to pay

ROFL

Americucks everyone

If Im not going to a prestigious collegue at least I will pay AFTER and IF I graduate, imagine paying and then droping out, that must be really sad.

also

>mfw when in Southamerica public university its more prestigious and yet people PAY ridiculous amounts to go to private, because its easier, literal mediocre richfaggots.

>>7992556
/thread

University is not about what you learn per se. but developing yourself as a person capable of learning.

>>7992556
>>7992632
(you)

>>7992556
this will be you in 3 years

The sad part about uni of that more that it's been 2 years since I graduated I look back through my texts and realize I hardly remember anything.

I feel like a fraud. Even though I'm not working in STEM

>>7991017
As is all applied science.

I spend 150$/month to live.
I can literally live all my life with just what it takes to go, for one year, to an american college.

>tfw learning nothing in physics because NCEA screwed me over and meant I had to start with a super basic physics course, and physics is the only course I'm doing right now I really care about
>tfw would rather go to Africa with a million dollars, set up a mining and agricultural industry where I spent all profits on hiring more workers and mercanaries for a dollar a day each to rapidly employ millions of people so I can become an emperor

>>7993231
There's a flaw in your plan.
Your employees are niggers.

>>7992632
>University is not about what you learn per se. but developing yourself as a person capable of learning.

Literally all genetics. An intelligent person just thinks about different things than unintelligent people, and it leads to learning.

>>7993235
So what?
They'll be employed in menial labour, and one could construct an education system that suits their situation very well by trying to stimulate an interest in education, allowing them to spend a portion of their work hours on education instead without affecting their pay and instead of teaching them from the ground up they would be taught the big, interesting things first like "wtf is that big bright thing in the sky" working down from there.

>fall for the STEM meme
>get in debts
>realize i am socially retarded and better off self-studying and
>drop out
atleast the student denbts here are backed by the gov. and no-one expects you to pay it back...

>>7991082
Are you an actuary or what?

>>7993250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M

The Chinese are embarking on your plan. See how it goes for them.

>>7993350
I've heard of it before, but it's a totally different approach.
They're hiring smaller numbers of skilled workers building and using lots of machinery and infrastructure, I'm suggesting huge numbers of unskilled workers with a primary focus on primary industries.

>>7991027

>expand the expression, then treat it like a polynomial, solve for the roots to factorize, and then cancel some shit

so algebra

>>7993525

+1

>>7991245
in germany, i study in rwth aachen you pay around 300 euro per semester for studying.

>>7990999
Chemists are just overqualified lab technicians. 90% of relevant jobs is QA/QC of a production line.

>>7991027
All your fraternity pledge friends just got the answer from their frat.

You failed to network socially and therefore will have a shit GPA.

>too retarded to do STEM so ended up studying geography and information science
>unsurprisingly didn't learn shit
>didn't do shit for a year
>signed up for trade school
>life suddenly worth living again

Call me a brainlet, I don't give a fuck.

>>7993541
True. I didn't discover this until my last semester. Had a friend in a frat and they had the answer keys to every test for the past X years in pretty much any major subject requirement. Idiots with IQ of 85-90 aced chem exams because they memorized previous exams.

>>7993547
No shame in studying trades. You will have a better lifestyle that any faggot who went into university to study non-STEM, non-business or biology.

Studying geography is pretty low though.

>>7993585
>Studying geography is pretty low though.
I know, I thought it would be fun and mostly about physical systems, how planets and rocks work and things like that, but it was just a SJWfest about muh culture and muh northern hemisphere privilege.

>>7993583
Obviously, this must be encouraged in order to raise test scores. Otherwise, each test would be printed out essentially scrambled for each individual student. You'd never know what you'd get and the test your friend has is completely different from yours.

>>7993613
geography =/= geology
geo + graphos = earth writings
geo + ology = earth knowledge

>>7993547
What trade anon?

>>7991111
Nice quads, good fortune awaits you.

>>7994147
Welding.

>>7994121
Physical geography is still a thing though, at least in that program it was. We did have classes about it but not nearly enough.