/sci/ - Science & Math

Nobody reading this thread will live past the age of 120. A billion years is quite a stretch.

The thermodynamic limits of the universe are not the reason you will die.

>>7749709

When I become a computer why wouldn't I be able to live for a billion years?

#lifehack!

>>7749715

Once we merge are minds and become computers, other than heat death of the universe whats stopping us from living forever?

>>7749706
A system can maintain its entropy constant by raising the entropy of it surroundings.
The main obstacle to clinical immortality is that our DNA is shit at copying. Very error prone.
If we made artificial DNA that could detect its copy error and correct them its entropy wouldnt increase.

>>7749717
Because you probably won't make enough money in this lifetime to turn your brain into a computer and keep it running for a billion years.

>>7749720
>>7749717
Power failures still happen in first world countries.

>>7749725

After that whats the next big thing that could kill us?

I got sun consuming earth before we can leave the solar system, and eventual heath death

>>7749728

Fairly certain are AI overlords will fix power errors.

>>7749727

So only the very wealthy will get to evolve? Why don't we just kill them then? If we can't evolve then no one should be able to because fuck them I want to be a computer.

>>7749728
>batteries don't exist
Try harder

>>7749731
So only the very wealthy will get to evolve? Why don't we just kill them then?

>>7749731
Youre not allowed because guess what: the wealthy are the alphas of society, regardless of what you think. Chad and Stacy and all the NEET retards on four chan, reddick, facialbook, and all the other cancerous dumb ducks can go duck themselves. Quack quack motherducker

>>7749737
>>7749738

Right but if I can't become a computer cyborg I will do my best to make sure no one else can either.

>>7749738

Explain to me how the son of a billionaire is automatically a better human than a child prodigy born into a poor family.

Protip: You can't.

>>7749730
>I got sun consuming earth before we can leave the solar system
That is estimated to take 5 billion years

These could kill us any moment now:
-nearby supernova
-Yellowstone eruption
-black hole transit
-islam

>>7749737
>implying you're not just going to be left behind by the elite like in that Elysium movie
>guess what the elite are going use AI for

Don't kill yourself OP. If you really want to work on achieving lifespan expansion, try doing research into neurodegenerative diseases

>>7749739
>implying their mercenaries won't knock you the duck back into your place

>>7749741
He's more successful, has more power than you, fucks more women than you, has a huge corporate empire of which you have none. I guess you would define IQ as something worth selecting your little sperg space crew master race for but I guess that's not gonna cut it in real life.

>>7749739
This is why we can't have nice things.

>>7749751

>He's more successful
His father is more successful than father, but that says nothing about his or my qualities
>has more power than you
Only by connections
>fucks more women than you
I'm gay so sure
>has a huge corporate empire of which you have none.
His father has a huge corporate empire not him.

tl;dr: Not all children of billionaires are strong. Using money to determine how evolved a human is is complete and utter asinine.

>>7749725
This! Our own genetic computer is an archaic piece of shit. This is why genetic engineering is popular.

>>7749757

Look I just want to be a computer cyborg. If I find out that ONLY the very very wealthy will be allowed to do so, you can bet that I will do everything in my power to fuck their shit up.

If I can't do something because those wealthier than me won't allow me to do it, then ya thats fucked up.

>>7749751
Most billionaires are weak faggots. Often their wife(wives) take them to cleaner because they're retarded to marrying a golddigger.

>>7749758
>all that shit by (You)
Yet being privileged, having money and being a sociopath will buy you immortality. You sound mad because you're probably going to be left behind. They would probably also not take any degenerate homosexuals/transsexuals/transgender/general retards on board.

Will you fight or perish like a dog? Tell me Donald, you ducking duck.

>>7749776

I'm ok with the fact that others are going to be left behind. However if I'm one of the people being left behind you can bet your ass I'll make sure everyone is left behind.

>>7749766
You sound very jelly of rich people. Tell me, could you not claim the same of the average weak NEET jealous fat neck beard dwelling the four Chan's? Someone like yourself, hmm?

>>7749778
And they'll make sure you're get knocked back into your place like the pleb you are. Unless you join Isis or some shits not going to change for you.

>>7749725
Real DNA already does that but its not enough

>>7749725
Regular DNA already repairs itself with help of special enzymes we just need telomere extension and something to kill off the cancers.

>>7749801
telomer extension however will not regenerate your collagens. do you really want to look older and older but not die?

Do people older than 0 +/-10years actually think that they will get to live forever?

topkek

>>7749784
I'm not jelly at all. I don't envy others. But billionaires often marry two or more times because they see a women as an asset. Which is stupid because your divorce will cause a lot of money. Most billionaires chase the Hollywood idea of love. There are documentary on billionaire dating and the agencies that give them suitors. The problem they see is those wealthy guys are chasing a dream.

>>7749814
I believe they found a way to prevent the aging process. I need to find the article.

>>7749814

Looking older is better than looking older and also feeling older.

>>7749872

Theres a difference between billionaires and old money.

Old money does not use a dating service. Futhermore the only time you see old money divorcing is after the kids have grown up and gone off to college.

>>7749877
>Old money does not use a dating service.
They do, and most super wealthy are old money families. New super wealthy aren't that big as the media portrays them. There are some families who stay out of the Forbes list. Several dictators have a lot of stolen wealth as well. Putin is estimated to be worth in the billions.

>>7749732
>batteries and components don't fail in about 10 years

>>7749706
Odds are you die one day.

quantum immortality ma boy

>>7749967

Right but theres still an above zero chance I will never die.

>>7749871
>all people born in the same year die in the same year

>>7749765
>If I can't do something because those wealthier than me won't allow me to do it, then ya thats fucked up.
It's not that they won't allow it - you NEED to have the money to be able to do it. You need to pay people to do it for you, and to maintain your computer mind. Before all of that you need to pay people to figure out how to do it.

Of the entire american culture, what surprises me the most is the undefeatable will that most people have to defend rich people. Not only you are cucked by them, you get shit everything compared to them, you will die in average like 10 years before them etc, you even want to defend them...idk, maybe you think that you'll become like them if you work hard enough?

Top fucking kek, they have truly won.

>>7749717
you will never become a computer. At best your biological mind will be copied into a computer and you, the original, will still exist.

No one born biologically will ever live forever, even in a matrix scenario, the biological body experiencing a computer simulation still ages according to it's DNA.

>>7750520
1 - theseus ship, you could slowly turn your biological body into an artificial one while mantaining consciousness continuity

2 - aging will someday be cured, an immortal matrix scenario is completely possible

>>7750520
What causes aging?

>>7750529
>theseus ship
All that matters is the brain. How are you going to replace the brain, neuron by neuron?

>aging will be cured
Ha. HA. So what are the scenarios in which that is possible? Telomere reconstruction doesn't stop aging, and causes cancer. Your assuming there is some way to freeze your DNA in a state at which you are in your 20s or something. There isn't.

>>7750548
Yes. Neuron by neuron. We're not talking about next week technology.

I can't tell you how, nobody can. But it's possible. Eradicating all cancers will be possible too: possible != easy. Anyway, repairing the damage seems to be currently the easiest path.

>>7750565
Just FYI, the state of the brain as a system also depends on all of the electrical currents traveling through it as well. And there are 100 billion neurons in the brain.

The solution you should be backing is digital cloning. Simulate chemistry on a computer, generate a basic stem cell, insert DNA chain as input and let the simulation run. All you simulate is the chemistry and all it requires is a lot of computing power, and you've made a digital person.

Briding the gap between the simulated world and the real world can be done through robotic interfaces, and now humanity is a race of immortal machines that is still based on DNA and can still reproduce, but no longer requires food or water, only electricity to survive.

>>7750582
No, people don't want clones, that defeats the whole purpose of the thing (immortality). But I agree on the fact that cloning is easier and will happen before the theseus ship thing. Many will choose it if the alternative is total annihilation.

>>7750539
>What causes aging?

Our species has the usual vulnerability to genetic damage caused by free radicals. It's a huge process, but what basically happens is that as you age, your mitochondria get less efficient, fewer in number, and larger. They produce more free radicals (OH-, H3O, etc.) per ATP. Remember that mitochondria have their own DNA (and it's crucial DNA), and its pretty much naked to the free radical attack compared to the DNA in the cell nucleus. Eventually errors accumulate and too many cells under apoptosis. The net effect is a critical system failure for the organism.

Take the neurons, for example. They don't undergo mitosis. Hence, you have the same neurons at death that you have from birth. So these cells just get old and die off. However, it's rare that people die just from neuron collapse. If every other system was supported, death from brain failure would probably happen by 250 years.

The aging mechanism is complicated, but damage from free radicals is key. And we should be looking at species that exhibit far more resistance to such damage. Humans among many other species end up running about 60 kiloliters of oxygen through every kg of body mass. But there are species that run much higher metabolic limits. How do they do it?

>>7749706
Literally impossible, by inputting energy in the for of kinetic and electrical energy to locally reverse entropy, you cause an overall increase in entropy because that energy is converted to heat. It's just a matter of time before everything in the universe fades to nothing.

Stop trying to fight it and enjoy the little time you have.

INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER

>>7749720
EMPs, coronal mass ejections, normal power failure, technical failure, virus, destroying the hardware holding your consciousness, the Sun's engulfing of the Earth, the Sun's supernova, etc. There are a ton of ways that would kill you before you ever got even a little close to the heat death of the universe.

>>7749728
>yfw I live in eastern europe
>never experienced a power failure
>only encountered a few couple hours downtime that were announced a week ahead for repairs and upgrades
Say what you want, but commies knew how to build lasting infrastructure.

>>7749778
>crab mentality, the post

>>7750593
>Take the neurons, for example. They don't undergo mitosis. Hence, you have the same neurons at death that you have from birth. So these cells just get old and die off. However, it's rare that people die just from neuron collapse. If every other system was supported, death from brain failure would probably happen by 250 years.
But that's wrong ya dingus

Trust me, by the time you hit 60 you won't give a shit anymore.

There's pill for getting fed up/bored and/or each new experience being a relatively less important and smaller part of your experience than before.

Humans have innate mind wipes/memory management and nobody gives a shit after a certain age.

>>7752284
The entire purpose of the thing is to remain biologically young

You become fed up not because of "I have tried everything", but because you get old, your body gets old, your brain gets old. 20 y/o people don't do things enthusiastically only when they do them for the first time...

>>7752376
Getting bored is a natural consequence of our brain wiring. It's like alcohol tolerance. Alcohol is a chemical that effects how your brain works, as you get used to ingesting it, your body builds up a tolerance.

Every emotion you've ever experienced is, essentially the same thing. A chemical reaction in your brain. The more times you experience something the less of a response each subsequent experience elicits. When you fall in love, for the first time, in high school or whatever, is the most in love you will ever be. That is why there is all this literature about "keeping relationships fresh and new". Our brains require new experiences to be as excited they were the first time.

If you were actually immortal, you would get bored of living, there would be nothing new any more.

>>7752460
Then we will simply find a way to chemically reset our "emotions response controller"

Boom, you feel love like the first time again ever if a century passed in the meantime. And after some other time, rinse and repeat.

But even without this, seriously, how can you say that you have something more interesting to do than existing?

>>7752460
Imagine the kind of cool shit immortals would come up with just to entertain themselves though.

>>7752284
>>7752460
>being this much in denial

>>7752563
I doubt many non-immortals, or "poor" immortals, would find the domains of the powerful and bored immortals entertaining.

Protip: Reversing aging won't be available in our lifetime. When it is available, only the rich will have access to it first. Merging us with computers is like 300 years away.

>>7752582
As soon as it's available to the extremely rich it won't be long til it's available to any westernly rich person.

>>7752582
Protip: stop talking out of your ass, stop being in denial, and try to make it happen like every sane person should.

At the very worst, you will have helped future people to reach it, which is also a good thing.

>>7752488
You know what works better than resetting an emotions response controller? Having children and letting them experience life anew. If we're going to be resetting ourselves anyways to evade boredom why not just do as living organisms have been doing for ages and pass ourselves on to offspring and let the old husk die? I really don't get this fascination with being immortal as a single person when we already have solutions to it that have been proven to work for 2.7 billion years now.

>>7752595
> stop talking out of your ass, stop being in denial, and try to make it happen like every sane person should.

More like you should stop being in denial if you think that it's gonna happen within the next 60 to 100 years. Even by some off chance that it does happen, the price of reverse aging will be only accessible to the ones who are rich. By the time that it becomes cheaper and the middle class has access to it, anyone who is 20 or over right now will be dead.

>>7752577
Well the Greeks seemed to enjoy their mythology.

>>7752628
Not the ones being fucked by bulls, baboons and swans.

if water boils at 100C does that mean it freezes at -100C? American here not familiar with the C thingy

>>7752623

Not really. Children are the perfect solution to the mortality of our species. Most people have children because they make them feel vaguely immortal, but that's just nature telling a big lie to them. The fact is that aging and dying are barbaric things and bring no additional meaning to our lives. If you think I'm being edgy go ask some old guy if he'd like to become young again.

>>7752627

>More like you should stop being in denial if you think that it's gonna happen within the next 60 to 100 years...anyone who is 20 or over right now will be dead.

I have no idea when this will happen, and you have no idea either, since we cannot predict the future. The thing you should understand is that, regardless of when this fight will be won, it is a good fight, and you should be fighting too. If you will reap the benefits of it, that's another question, and only time will tell. But please stop hiding behind ridicolous, exceedingly pessimistic excuses to justify your willingness to not act.

>>7753054
I have a grandmother who's 80 and every year for at least the last 15 years she's been saying how she's done everything she wanted to do in life and is ready to die, pretty much every other older person I've known has been the same way. Yeah I know anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much and I'd love to see an actual study on the matter but that's my reasoning for why immortality sucks.

>>7752652
wtf dude it freezes at 0C.
Can't believe I'm taking this bait too.

>>7749706
The pattern is we can stay even with it.

Entropy is always conserved, no exceptions.