/sci/ - Science & Math

> challenge
kek

where are all the hard classes in these majors? you really think these compare to legitimately difficult courses that scientists take?

>>7744144
>Oompa Loompa'ing is top tier in anything

>>7744150
>legitimately difficult courses that scientists take?

Or chemE, or nukeE, or civil for that matter.

>>7744144
Every electrical engineers barfs when thinking about an arduino. You must be a freshmen with delusions of grandeur.

>>7744155
>civil
lmao nice may may at the end there

>>7744153
>working at Starbucks with your phys/math/chem degree is top tier anything

I have great respect for engineers

I'm just a failed biohem scientist working in a labatory 38 hours a week doing menious tasks for a low salary as of 1800 euro's a month, but wouldn't want any different (except higher pay)

>>7744169
>flipping burgers at McD like the little oompa loompa you were taught to be

>>7744172
>I have great respect for orange manlets with calculators and formula sheets

>>7744176
>tfw engineers are mostly normies who are fucking your oneitis right now
kek

No major is hard. Anything fewer than a major+minor combo is kiddie shit.

Math+EE master race

>>7744183
i actually laughed a bit. EE will practically give you a minor in math.

>>7744181
>implying engineers don't go for dat steamy boipussy

>>7744186
Then a minor in math must be shit.

>>7744160
underrated post

>>7744160
not-electrical-engineer detected

-electrical engineer

>>7744199
Brainlet detected

>>7744153
>scientautist talking shit about engineers

>>7744206
Stop arguing, oompa loompa, and make me that contraption of which I provided you with a blueprint and all technical details

>>7744205
easily the hardest major in uni, genius.

>>7744211
>I provided you with a blueprint and all technical details
thanks for describing engineering

>>7744216
>he thinks juggling formula sheets is hard

>>7744218
Yes because all you oompa loompas can do is follow simple, step-by-step instructions

>>7744211
>this nigga confuses engineers with factory workers
are you even in college?

>>7744225
Yes, engineers are the intellectual equivalent of factory workers.

>>7744222
in case you need a simple step-by-step explanation, engineers make the blueprints and technical details, blue collar workers read those and operate the machines that manufacture it

>mfw oompa loompas get BTFO

>>7744230
I'm sure the stories they told you when choosing your undergraduate were filled with rainbows and ponies, anon.

ITT
>anons act like engineers are blue-collar technicians instead of scientists that focus on design and implementation

there are literally engineers that do exactly what scientists do and vice-a-versa. R&D has both engineers and scientists working no the exact same things.

>>7744235
>scientist literally believe they get to make blueprints
tell me about your rainbows

>>7744238
Is this your first day here?

>>7744235
having fun in PhD hell? going for that tenure anon? maybe they'll only make you suck 20 dicks today!

>>7744240
it's just not a good argument. there are plenty of things that scientists do that engineers can't and vice-a-versa. This is why both exist holy shit just fuck you dumb faggots. your dick sizes aren't based on whether or not you're in physics or engineering.

>>7744239
Yes, its part is a scientists job to design scientific apparatus that oompa loompas will have to make. You didn't think we would actually make these things ourselves, right? We have oompa loompas for that.

>>7744246
you don't actually think this do you?

>>7744245
>it's just not a good argument

It's what's known as a "troll", an anon posts something inflammatory with the sole purpose of getting a response, the more buttmad the response the better the troll.

Why can't we all just get along

>>7744260
peace was never an option

>>7744260
this is nice kitteh :3

>>7744260
fuk u fagot math strong

>>7744260
What else are autistics to do? It's not like they have a job

>>7744160
Can confirm.

>>7744188
>steamy boypussy

>>>/lgbt/
faggot

>>7744144
EE is the chad of E.
Prove me wrong.

As technology has improved in recent years, we haven't improved the speed we travel places. We're still stuck with the speed limit on highways, which can't go higher without more roadway deaths. Maglev trains are great, but expensive, and would be ludicrously expensive to move the same volume that the highways do now. How can we innovate in transportation to develop faster ways to get around, either building onto existing highway architecture or changing vehicles?

>scientists vs engineers
this used to be a thing, until materials science came into existence

now we all work together in peace and harmony

scientists and engineers, holding hands for the future of tomorrow, today

>>7744245
Not really, engineers can do literally everything scientists can, which is why they are paid double as much, but of course engineers are too expensive to waste as lab monkeys so they do the manly design work while the betas in QA call them homos like they called the footballs jocks fucking their high-school crush.

>>7744246
>Isn't even legally allowed to design a bolt.
>Desperately tries to be like his alpha engineer boss.
>Will always be stuck in QA instead.

>>7744704
That's the gayest fucking thing I've read. Could not be gayer if we were all fucking each other's bungholes.

>>7745002
Cool implications, now get back to making my thing.

why do people think they're gonna be important because of a degree? you're gonna be doing bitch work unless you're a genius.

>>7744260
I have to wave my dick around. I spent 4 years earning a degree and I wanted everyone to know that mine is better and bigger than their degree.

>>7744144

> arduino

oh so I assume you must be an artist trying to make an LED flash?

freshman reporting in

took physics (mechanics, E&M, special relativity, langrangian mechanics), comp sci (scheme), and electrical engineering (intro. circuits) this semester, did pretty well in all of them. What should I major in? I think I'll want to work at JPL when I'm older. Current plan is Mech E+ applied math, with some comp sci and applied physics thrown in there.

>>7744186
>muh triple integrals are so complex and mathy!
Engayneers cannot even withstand a simple course on proofs or the Peano axioms.

>>7746637
scientautists cannot even assemble the computer they use to shitpost

Doctorates:
"I have a theory! I don't know if it will work, but the equation I spent 3 years writing says it might!"Comes up with an idea that may or may not be possible in the real world, and has no idea how to see if it would. But it works on paper. If you don't check their math too hard.

Design Engineer:
Takes equation, solves the problem, designs the device that will make the theory work. Solves the problem.

Scientist:
Develops a series of tests to test the Engineer's device 1,000+ times to make sure it doesn't break, and works as intended. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

Line worker:
Unskilled labor that builds the device the Design Engineer designed. Quality Engineer constantly kicking the line worker's asses because they can't insert tab A into slot B because fucking Mexican labor.

-3 year Engineer

>>7746646
>manufacturing is important
no, im sorry eng-sama

>>7746647
>eng solves problem
after all the pieces of the puzzle have been neatly arranged, sequentially ordered, and premanufactured for them - sure

if that's solving a problem

>>7746670
>>manufacturing is important
>no, im sorry eng-sama
I hope you enjoy mud then

>>7746674
>implying manufacturing cannot be done without engineers
im so sorry you're insane
>architects
Were pretty much the reason for rapid expansion, and interesting developments for most of history. Engineers were for route work already developed by others. I'm sure there are great PHD engineers, but for the all of the undergrads you are don't create anything new.

You could make the claim that you are the lynchpin in economic drive by stating that rapid improvement in manufacturing is what has allowed quick price drops, and quickly disseminated technology. That being said its incredibly unlikely for this to ever be the slowest step in progress, as you're looking at lifetime exposure of genius level individuals. They'll see that original version eventually.

>>7746699
>architects
oh boy, here we go

>>7746556
no, mine is better you fucking dipshit

>>7744144
>being the guy who actually designs AC sockets
plebs

t.Computer Engineer

>>7744211
yeah, sounds like an engineer's job, dipshit

kekkles

>>7744683
That would be mechanical

Then again, all the actual chads get weeded semester 1 or spend 7 years to get a bachelor's

>>7746637
Speaking as an engineer who actually reads math proofs, training an engineer while also trying to train them in mathematical proofs would add another 1-2 years of coursework onto the major.

There are separate classes specifically for exploring proofs. Try to get that through your autistic manlet skull

>>7744144
you will eventually die it wont matter what you do

Yeah guys, keep majoring in pure math and physics!!!!!

keep it up, you are the master race and can do engineering jobs better than engineers

>>7744144
Money: They have bottleneck issues in career paths. Anyone who becomes a high income individual in a career path(meaning he doesn't start his own business, invent something etc.) becomes so despite being an EE&ME. It's very easy to let a economist/industrial engineer to learn necessary steps for high executive track for example yet it's very costly and uphill to teach the same to EE/MEs due to abstractness of many concepts. Those who do are an extreme minority, though very much sought after due to godly combo of ME+Finance in modelling. Top levels of any research lab is reserved for an expert on the related science who if an engineer is really needed does a MEng/MTech which is very easy for someone holding a science PhD.

Usability in society: Division of Labour. Unless a global disaster strucks any member of the society can find another who can do his job for him.

Challenge: Not much challenge in engineering, since the real challenge provider that is feasibility is handled by main fields such as physics and mathematics. Still if one is a genius-again a miniscule chance- it provides one of the greatest satisfactions in the world, inventing something useful.

>>7747873
lmao all engineers go into management by like 35. fuck off underage.

>>7744222
The idea is to get exposed to enough theory in a course to solve most problems.
Memorizing solutions is freshman year shit. You sound like a bitter frosh/soph engineering dropout, anon

It's never been enough to just "get" the degree.

You have to have a high GPA upon graduation, and even better if you maintain the high GPA through out your education.

>>7746633
computer science is not programming.

if you are a programmer, you aren't a computer scientist unless you can explain by heart, at minimum type systems. computer science is applied mathematics.