/sci/ - Science & Math

I'm in grad school for math right now. I will be going for a ph.d after I get my m.s. here. it is awful, soul crushing work. you have to need a ph.d, like you cannot live knowing you aren't working towards one. because it DOES suck. the stress of keeping up with a class only to lose it all on a comprehensive final is REAL. if you arent willing to do whatever it takes, if you dont have the mindset of 'get a ph.d in math or die trying' then you should do something else.

>>7721409
what's bad about it? just the courses themselves are difficult?

Bumping out of interest.

>implying /sci/ isn't just a bunch of undergrads

>>7721399
I could not help but notice your png was not optimized anon.
I have optimized your png.
Your png is now optimized.

>>7721399
Going for a PhD in math. Finished my master's and most core stuff, so I'm at the point where I can concentrate on research.

First two years felt like >>7721409 said, but things get much better afterward.

>>7721462
>implying /sci/ isn't a bunch of high school kids

Doing a PhD currently. It's difficult but often overstated. I doubt anyone in my program spent more than a few hours a week on undergrad and they all were at the top of their classes with zero effort, so its a shock when the workload jumps to 50-60 hours a week and many of them are struggling to keep up.

Personally, I graduated with a 4.0 in two years from undergrad, was the top of my Master's program, but almost failed my PhD comps and only barely passed on my second try. The level of competition in academia is really high. I used to want to be a professor, tenure-track of course, but now I doubt I have the talent to do so. It's not even that enjoyable, research is great in limited quantities, but not fun when under constant deadlines and pressure, or worrying about dumb shit like getting scooped by a guy in some department halfway across the country working in the same field.

>>7721519
What's your PhD in?

>>7721409
what specialty?

>>7721522
Econ. I did math/econ undergrad and a stats MA (my research is in econometrics).

I am not even trying to focus on a master's.

However, to be honest, I started going after an associate's degree and then learned why knowledge is so important.

Should I search a Master's degree in mechanical?

I went to grad school, and it was the worst decision of my life. I'd be making at least 50% more right now if I hadn't gone (due to job market conditions), plus I'd have started work years earlier. I figure conservatively that over my lifetime it will cost me a million dollars, and I'll have to retire five to seven years later just to get to that point.

I didn't even really have fun, or get anything worthwhile out of it. No lifelong friends, no glowing memories. Cost me a fiancee, come to think of it, though maybe that would have happened anyway.

My job now has nothing to do with my degree, which sits in a dusty box somewhere in my basement, and school killed all passion for that stuff anyway. When I finished, I was an expert in my field--people 40 years my senior were writing to ask for my data and occasionally for my advice on their problems, and a Nobel Prize winner sent me an autographed copy of one of his early papers when he retired--and I was making more money at my part-time McDonald's job than I was teaching classes or from my research grants.

But my sob story aside, one of my closest friends had a great time in grad school, finished with just a master's, and got hired within two years as a full time professor at a pretty good college. He makes a low six figures and works 4 days a week, less in the summer. So it can work out. But for me, I wish I hadn't done it, or that I'd had the balls to drop out when it became clear how shitty it was.

>>7721537
What field are you in where you only need a master's to be a professor?

>>7721537
Are you sure your friend isn't bullshitting you and isn't just a lecturer? In most science fields its impossible to get any kind of TT position unless you're one of the best students at a top 5-10 program.

>>7721537
Jesus Christ, how horrifying.

>>7721551
Also I've never heard of anyone with only a Master's becoming a real professor.

I too have a question for all the gradfags. How did you pay/are paying for grad school? How does that generally work? I assume it costs a lot more than undergrad. How do you get financial aid, if possible?

>>7721470
>661 B

>>7721575
Good PhD programs are generally paid for via stipend, work-study, etc.

>>7721590
what about just masters

>>7721575
PhD programs are almost always funded in sciences and social sciences. Many people consider an offer with no funding or no first year funding to be a polite rejection.

Master's programs vary more but the ones that are geared toward PhD placement usually have some sort of scholarship funding or fellowship that pays the majority of tuition for students. Lower-ranked programs which only place in industry typically charge full price; I've seen as high as $40k a semester for a 2-year MS. Those aren't worth the cost unless you're in a field with highly profitable industry careers.

>>7721600
For the latter, lower-ranked programs, can you give examples of such? Are we talking programs like public administration or some other garbage?

I'm food sci/chem undegrad and im looking to do my masters and/or phd in food chem at UC Davis or Uni Wisconsin - Madison

I'm looking up their programs and stuff but it's all very overwhelming

>>7721549
Any STEM field. It happens probably more often than you'd think, and yes, even at top tier schools.

>>7721551
No, he's not bullshitting... I have been to his office and seen his profile on the web site. And it's certainly not impossible. It's more luck of the draw/your references/other experience. Mostly luck, he says, especially with regards to the full-time aspect.

>>7721575
Both PhD and master's programs (except in the UK, where it means something different) won't cost you anything but time and maybe your soul. You'll be offered some combination of TA position, stipend, and scholarships/bursaries. In a poor department, this will be enough to scrape through and maybe buy ice cream every second week; in a wealthy one, you'll be able to buy a new car and have steak and wine on Friday nights.

>>7721611
MPAs are professional degrees, those are never funded. By the way, you shouldn't spew shit about other programs when you're only an undergrad, since even MBAs and MPAs have greater value than you right now.

Your best bet is to just talk to a professor in your department with a PhD in that field, send them an email and ask if you can talk. If you want to apply to graduate school you'll need 3 professor's recommendations anyways, and it won't be sufficient for them to just say you're a good student who got straight A's. Food science isn't a common field so there won't be much information online. UW and UC Davis are usually well-ranked in most fields, and are around top 10 for AgSci/AgEcon. But since it's a small field you might have to shoot higher than that to get a good placement out of a PhD/Master's, just ask a professor because they'll have the information.

>>7721640
alright man i wont spew shit about MPAs or MBAs even though theyre gay. lesson learned

but thanks for the other info anon. i have excellent rapport with my professors and im currently doing research with one of them. i'll start to work harder and get my name out there
thanks so much
>>7721617
thank you too, anon

>>7721409
in my experiences as a math grad student, the pressure to publish is insanely high. oh you want to spend time learning about measure theory and riemann surfaces and some other topics that don't fit together well or work for your research but are very interesting? well every second you spend on those subjects is time you could spend on your thesis.

TAing is awful, the students are shit and the system is shit and everything that goes wrong as a result of these two factors is blamed on the TAs.

classes are very difficult. you can be doing well in a class up until the final week and bomb a final because of extenuating circumstances (mom dies, car accident before test, etc etc) and lose everything youve worked for that semester.

>>7721523
math, particularly nonlinear dynamical systems and differential topology.

>>7721585
It's the same res but much smaller you retard

I'm currently working towards my PhD in physical chemistry.

It's a full time job but I get paid a similar amount to my friends working graduate jobs (after tax and with doing ~9 hours of teaching each week during semester).

My work is 100% research. You have to be very focused, creative and driven. No one is there to tell you what to do or shove a stick up your arse when you're not meeting targets. Supervisors help with things but they have other shit to worry about most of the time. Some people will get lost with the lack of direction.

I really enjoy it though, I've always loved science, and contributing to human knowledge is a good feeling no matter how insignificant your contribution is. I recently presented at a large-ish conference in my field and that was a great experience meeting people who were all interested in what you were doing. Honestly I wouldn't mind getting into academia, I'm looking into doing a post-doc when I finish in 1.5 years or so.

>>7721399
[math] \frac{a}{b} - \frac{test}{ing}[/math]

>>7721839
fuck

[math]\frac{a}{b}[/math] - [math]\int{a}{b}[/math]

>>7721399
I wonder, how legit is this? I'm a UK maths undergrad, considering the PhD route but I'm scared of getting a PhD and becoming unemployable (because you're overqualified for everything except for PhD/post-doc jobs but you're also not good enough for the competitive PhD/post-doc jobs) or ending up in the 'post-doc trap'.

...is it any wonder that I'm strongly considering chasing the actuarial profession?

>>7721848
This is on the front page of the website on that graphic:
>People with doctorates have access to a wide range of careers and face less competition when they seek employment. This makes it possible for most doctoral graduates to find jobs. Just 1.7 percent of Americans with health, science or engineering doctorates were unemployed in late 2008, according to the National Science Foundation. The jobless rate is slightly higher for people who have other types of Ph.D.s. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that 2.5 percent of all Americans with doctorates were unemployed in 2012.

>Americans significantly increase their salaries by obtaining Ph.D.s. Individuals with doctoral degrees earn an average of $3.25 million before they retire, according to U.S. News and World Report. People who have master’s degrees generally receive about $580,000 less. The government reports that doctors had median earnings of $1,624 per week in 2012. This surpasses the earnings of Americans with bachelor’s degrees by $558.

Don't listen to the memes m8. Easiest way to makeup your mind is to talk to people (professors, PhD students, PhD graduates) in your field. Also you can look up on various job websites the demand for different positions.

I'm applying for my first program--out of three--later. Just gotta submit documents and all that online.

My professor advised to type a list of responsibilities on my C.V. under the bits where I list my T.A. experience, and my being President of a club experience. Should I?

>>7721749
I'm 100% sure he was aware of that and was just expressing his delight for the optimisation. You are the retard.

>>7721519
Getting scooped is literally worse than being a Jew in holocaust to be honest.

>>7721902
Your professor advised it, so obviously yes. Trust them, they know what they're talking about. If you're still not sure, ask a different professor.

>>7721549
He's a senior lecturer not a professor.

Usually half the teaching faculty are only lecturers because they can be paid less to teach all the crappy undergrad classes.

>>7721944
Sounds like someone who's been scooped :^) Story?

>>7721575
If you're a good student you will get funding.

You roughly need to be twice as top tier relative to your peers than you needed to be to get a full scholarship as an undergrad.

Grad comp engineer here, will apply for PhD.

Grad is 1000 more fun than undergrad, and much much more work.

>>7721614
Dude, he's a lecturer, that's different from a professor. You need a PhD, god tier research rating and 5-10 years teaching experience to become a professor.

He's earning 40-60k barely more than a PhD stipend.

I'm an aerospace f&dt engineer doing a Master's in AE past-time through evening classes.

Between that and keeping up with seasonal anime, it takes all the time I have. But, I make mad dosh and will help me land an even better job someday, so I can't complain.

>>7721848
>>7721855
Seems mostly accurate to me. Adjuncts get shafted. A PhD. in some fields might be ok, but becoming an adjunct never is. see >>7721947 thems the adjuncts.

Getting funded to get a PhD is probably a bad investment, opportunity cost-wise. Taking loans to get a PhD is just ludicrously awful.

>>7721855
It should be illegal to report PhDs working as fucking baristas or whatever as "employed", because UK literally has 15% of math PhD grads working minimum wage, it's incredibly dishonest to boast about "employment" figures in that regard.

>>7721950
eurofag here. What is the difference between a grad and an undergrad? Is it just a different gpa or is it a different type of a degree? completely lost desu senpai

>>7721948
>Needed one more publication to get my PhD.
>Discussed my research at a conference with professors from another university (BIG mistake).
>Knew their lab and that they didn't have all the equipment needed so gave them all my best ideas.
>Fast forward 2 months.
>Submit paper to journal.
>REJECTED.
>Turns out I got fucking scooped by less than 3 weeks.
>Authors are the people I talked to who managed to shit out 500k worth of equipment in less than a month.
>Panic attack, was supposed to graduate, probably going to lose job offers, be in grad-school purgatory for another 10 years.
>Kill myself.
>...
>Adviser resurrects me.
>Can't escape this hell, they won't let me.
>HELP

>>7722389
>Graduated
vs
>Ungraduated

Is it really that hard to figure out?

>>7721940
I concur with this analysis.

>complete first grad app today because deadline is tomorrow
>no option to pay the app fee
>no charges owed
>no payments due
>nothing
RADICAL. Sure hope it updates soon or allows me to pay by tomorrow.

>>7722436
Well we don't have colleges here so we don't "graduate" from anything between undergrad and grad level..

>>7722389
Grad == master's and PhD

I'm currently wrapping up the second semester of a Master's in Human Genetics. It's pretty fun. I don't think I'm gonna go for the PHD right away because I want to get a job and learn how to code, and boost my GRE score to be a more competitive applicant for a better school.

I have about 8 months left until I get my PhD in neuroscience.

Overall it's been a pretty smooth ride. I had one project that didn't work out at all, but another from which I got two unanticipated publications. I have two (first author) publications out already, and I'm writing everything else up at the moment. At the time of my defense I should have another five, plus three (maybe four) coauthorships.

I've got a grant application written up and ready to submit once most of my papers are out.

I really did get very lucky, most other PhD students that I know are struggling a lot more than I did.

>>7722428
Did you confront the other authors? Did they know how badly they were dicking you? I didn't realize this was a thing. You do know guns don't cost that much.

>>7722680
There is no difference between a college and a university you fucking idiot.

Anyone who is studying towards a bachelors degree is an undergraduate. "Undergraduate" refers to not having a tertiary degree.

>>7722680
>Grad == master's and PhD

No, a graduate is anyone who has a bachelors degree or higher. Anyone who has already been admitted to a bachelor degree (by which I mean graduated) and is currently studying towards a masters or PhD is refereed to as a post-graduate student.


Your country literally follows what is referred to as the American university model. You have no excuse to be this retarded.

>want to get an MS or PhD
>started college/university late
>get cucked out of scholarships because I'm white and a citizen
>parents together might break $60k/year
>tfw Chad, Habib, and Ryu are just flying through college copying from their friends, having infinite free time otherwise, and don't have ANY financial stress what so ever
Is a PhD the biggest Jew scam out there? If you're not going full-time out of high-school, don't have a large social net, and don't have a large supply of money backing you, you're just never going to get the degree by 50. Even if you manage to get a doctorate by the average age of 31, you'll still be >$150k in debt, which they'll punish you for paying off early.

>>7721749
fucking idiot he gets it and was just showing how comfy that makes him feel.

>>7722720
Consider doing your PhD in Europe. Most European countries pay you enough to live off while doing it, and either charge very little tuition, or none at all.

>>7721470
Teach me how you did this, great man.

>>7721529
In case you're still here.

How much econometrics/statistics are you expected to know after undergrad and going into an MA/PHD?

>you can get a job if you study for 3-4 years and get a bachelor's degree in a STEM field
>you can get a good job if you study for 5 years and get a master's degree in a STEM field
>IT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET ANY JOB WHATSOEVER if you study for 3-4 extra years and get a PhD

How?

>>7722720
Doctoral programs generally waive your tuition, give you a stipend, etc.

>>7722740
>spend years filling your head with one Autistic subject
>people who actually do a thing for 5 years know how to do it better than you because they've been doing that thing for years and learned all the "work" bullshit in the process, vs minutae of computing the behavior to one more digit of precision
>"Why can't I spend months publishing a research paper on why the 555 works or why the milk bottles machines are unevenly heating? Why would they just expect me to use/fix it?"

>>7722700
What do you mean "confront" them? They have every right to publish whatever they want, even if I came up with the idea first it doesn't matter if I didn't publish it first.

>I didn't realize this was a thing.
Academia is extremely competitive, it will happen to you several times because the nature of research is such that most people who up to date in the latest research in a field will have similar insights. You are constantly working against the clock in most research fields.

>You do know guns don't cost that much.
I don't really blame them, I don't blame myself either I know I couldn't have done it faster. It's just what happened, it's especially unfortunate for me, but it's not their fault.

>>7722756
>it's not their fault
>they EXPLICITLY requested your research information and wrote a paper on it
Cuck

>>7722756
>They have every right to publish whatever they want, even if I came up with the idea first
If you truely gave them the idea and they went ahead and stole it, then this constitutes intellectual theft. If you have any proof at all (e.g. email correspondence) contact the editor in chief of the journal they published in, and the journal will start an investigation. Same goes for the dean of the uni they work for.

I don't know where you got this shit from, but it's definitely not okay to steal ideas.

>>7722720
>get cucked out of scholarships because I'm white and a citizen
I can't believe you're trying to blame the fact that you didn't get a scholarship on your race.

Sure it's much harder if you're white, but it's still relatively easy and you should've known that you needed to work harder than Jamal to get one.

>>7721511
>implying /psi/ isn't a bunch of high school dropouts

>>7722756
I think you feel a sense of personal fault. Why are you afraid? What's holding you back?

Everything you just said is obviously falsely even-minded bullshit, even you don't actually believe a word of it. So it's got me curious, what's really holding you back?

>>7722781
Literally more than half my TA's are Asian, for Asian teachers. You're a real goy.

>>7721554

In the squishy not-really-STEM zone (psychology), but look up Erik Erikson. To your point he might not have been a full professor in title, but he did lecture at universities and is considered to have contributed substantively to his field --- or so I have been led to believe.

>>7722789
Lol they probably work harder/are smarter than you. And how do you know that they have no financial pressure?

Quit being a bitch and work harder.

>>7722759
>>7722770
You two are seriously retarded.

An idea means nothing. They could've already had that idea I have no proof that they didn't

Secondly an idea for a research paper is not IP in itself. No work has been done and it has no innate value.

>>7722696
Neuroscience is easily my favorite field to hobby in outside of my main major of pre med. Do you have any recommendations for resources like books or online programs about the topic? I would still consider myself more so an educated beginner with an interest in both theory and clinical applications.

>>7722807
>An idea means nothing.
So let's say you're reviewing a paper.

It it, in your mind, okay to take all ideas from that paper, and publish them yourself?

>>7722696
How many years does it typically take to get a PhD in Neuro? How does the the bench work in Neuro compare to other fields in terms of how demanding it is?

>>7722817
Let's say a you reading a journal letter that says. "This material would be cool, if only there was a way to make it, I'm going to work on finding a way to make, I promise guyz".

Then you do months of research and find a way to make it before the other fag and write an article. Are you going to reference that letter? No. There was no value that contributed to your work, you will reference every paper that you used, but not some random letter.

>>7722788
>What's holding you back?
The fact that I was stupid enough to do grad-school.

>>7722696
>>7722822

Also, would you recommend Neuro as a discipline to someone looking to get a PhD in a biomedical field?

>>7722816
>books
Kandel has everything you could ever want to know. It's a little dry though.
Bear, Connor & Paradiso is easy to read, but might leave you wanting to know more.

I don't really have any recommendations for online resources, I guess I'm a bit too old school for that.

>>7722822
In Europe, 3-5 years for the PhD itself. You do need a bachelors and masters to get into a PhD program. By the end I'll have spent 9 years in total, which is the absolute minimum I could have done it in given the programs that I did.

>How does the the bench work in Neuro compare to other fields in terms of how demanding it is?
I couldn't really tell you to be honest, I don't really know what it's like to do a PhD in another field. For me personally it was pretty smooth. I've had times where I've worked 14 hour days for weeks on end, but at other times I've taken vacations of upwards a month. It's hard work, but if you like it it'll come easy.

>>7722789
>You're a real goy.
I got a scholarship so who's the goy now?

You're white.

Stop bitching and get our my level. Bitching until you get free stuff is for non-whites. Put the work in and earn it yourself. Also American Asians are even more discriminated against obtaining scholarships than you were.

>>7722830
Way to dodge the question.

>>7722836
Sure, it'll give you options.

>>7722844
Your question I would obviously reference the paper because it's a fucking published article with work unlike a mere unpublished idea.

Your question isn't relevant to my circumstances.

>>7722848
I said reviewing a paper. As in, it hasn't been published it, you're currently the reviewer giving comments on the paper.

If an idea means nothing, like you said, then it'd be okay to steal all the ideas and redo the work yourself before their paper gets out.

If you're too thick to see the point here, I'm pointing out that there are clear examples where stealing ideas is intellectual theft. Then there are situations like the example you gave where it's okay to take over an idea. And in the middle there is a definite gray area - i.e. your actual situation - where it's verging intellectual theft.

>>7722854
Well, for example, I saw a review draft of the paper that was scooping me in the first place. I consider that to be as good as published, the work has already been done and they did it first.

>If an idea means nothing, like you said, then it'd be okay to steal all the ideas and redo the work yourself before their paper gets out.
They don't just have ideas, they have RESULTS.

>>7722385
>because UK literally has 15% of math PhD grads working minimum wage
Source?

>>7722854
Also.
>definite gray area - i.e. your actual situation - where it's verging intellectual theft.
The law makes no room for gray areas. How patent law at least works is if you talk about your ideas in public then anyone can use them (unless you made them sign an NDA or already have a patent).

Like I said, I was stupid to discuss it with them, their lab didn't have the specialized equipment at the time, I shouldn't have counted on that.

>>7722859

>>7722740
>you can get a job if you study for 3-4 years and get a bachelor's degree in a STEM field
>you can get a good job if you study for 5 years and get a master's degree in a STEM field
Not necessarily.

>>7721470
JUST FUCK OFF TO S4S PLEASE

>>7722861
I mean, I suppose it's entirely possible that some people working as baristas or in "catering" are earning more than minimum wage, but I doubt it.

Add up all the meme employments from pic related which is a national study, I think it's a bit less than 15% that is definitely earning minimum wage, but that would be a reasonable estimate. The fact that 1 in 10 are working as waiters/baristas is horrifying enough in its own right.

>>7722804
>they probably work harder
i.e. shove their face in a book for 30 hours a week, not shit, they've literally been trained from childhood to do so at the cost of having a personality or being intelligent

>no financial burden
You fucking talk to them. 100% of the time at least one of their parents is a doctor, or was in their home country. Usually their mom has a Master's at least, and both of their parents are presently employed in their field. You literally will not find a single Asian student that doesn't have at least one parent with an MS or higher.

>>7722843
>I got a scholarship
You're implying you're not white. No shit you got the scholarship, it wasn't because of your work ethic you stupid faggot. They know you're going to be a good goy your whole life and never want to do anything for yourself.

>>7722903
No, I'm white you stupid faggot.

Have you even been reading my posts? See
>>7722781
>Sure it's much harder if you're white, but it's still relatively easy and you should've known that you needed to work harder than Jamal to get one.


Jesus christ, no wonder you didn't get one.

STOP BITCHING AND GET IT DONE.

>>7722906
>how come everyone's life isn't as easy as mine?
>my parents are loaded, I have infinite free time and study and exercise everyday, how could anyone be different??

>>7722914
It's always someone else fault isn't it.

>Still not reading.

I come from a poor family. No one in my family has a degree.

I got a scholarship because I knew I couldn't afford to go to university without one. It didn't even take much effort.

You're acting very much like a ghetto trash nigger pretending other people have advantages over you and bitching about it. It's your fault you weren't good enough to get a scholarship, no one else.

Stop fucking blaming other people, it's pathetic and unbecoming of your ancestral lineage.

>>7721399
I am a third year in a PhD program.

It's ok.

I don't like the environment of academia. A lot of people think that talking down to you or being confrontational is the best way to do their job/have a conversation when in a public/formal setting. I hate debating and find that it slows progress more than helps it. I know I'm right about certain things and know where my research has holes, but half of my conversations end up being deflecting dumb arguments that I'm already aware of/stem more from misunderstanding then from interesting facts.

There's also a lot of weird decorum that is frustrating.

The work itself is fine. I like teaching, and I've enjoyed my research. Coursework is just like your harder months of undergrad just all the time. Once you cut the fat of how much hanging around you were probably doing in UG, it becomes easy to adjust.

>>7722874
Fucking wow, I'm actually the guy who's been circulating that picture round /sci/ and /biz/ whenever it's been needed, at least post the actual fucking source.

Page 25 of this.
http://www.hecsu.ac.uk/assets/assets/documents/wdgd_september_2014.pdf

Also, that's not PhD grads. What gave you the impression that it was?

>>7722830
Even unpublished ideas ARE your intellectual property. I looked a bunch of this stuff up back when I started submitting to conferences where your abstract had to be public. Even unfinished ideas belong to you and you have the right to sue for any component of it that was yours and temporally prior, unless it can be PROVEN that the other author had the same insight independently and prior to seeing your work.

>>7722935
Ah yeah that's right, I got confused about the sources, I don't think there is one for just PhDs, but as I understand it from

>Examples of courses studied
>PhD

that study includes all graduates, that is to say both in undergrad and PhDs.

>>7722941
Well even if that's true I have no physical proof that they got the idea from me.

In any case I wouldn't really pursue the issue if I could.

Call me a cvck all you want, but I'm tired and worn down and I just want to finish my thesis and get out, I'd rather do the extra few months working on a new paper than cause a ruckus.

It's not like there is any way in hell I'm starting in academia anyway, I just want to salvage what I have and start my non-existent industry career.

If I get scooped again I really am killing myself though. Something dramatic like jumping into an active volcano so I don't get resurrected.

HI MATH GRAD STUDENTS HOW HARD IS IT TO GET INTO A TOP 20 PROGRAM THANK YOU

>>7722954
Well I'm sorry to hear it's putting such a toll on you. It may be good for you mentally to get in contact with the authors that stole your ideas and try to get at least some kind of apology from them. They'd be truly heartless to not be at least a little sorry about fucking up your life.

If this happens again, of all the people to kill, why yourself? You've been nothing but good to yourself, death belongs to the unjust. They'll be shaking in their boots the next time they even consider "stealing" somebodies work.

>>7722836

Depends, the best method is to go M.D. first then work on research rather than the other way around if you can, just because the difference in power/salary is pretty fucking astounding, especially if you are working with human subjects. If you are just torturing rats all day it is a little better, but still you get more swing and pay for being an MD.

>>7722838
Haha, that fucking Kandel book is the size of a small child. It is a good resource though, still haven't had a need to replace it.

>>7722903
A bunch of my peers have parents that came over on a boat from vietnam and have little to no secondary education, but my sample size is small.

I am a med student btw, so my opinions are either biased or wrong, depending on how much of a chip on the shoulder the other anons have.

>>7722954
>even if that's true
you're such a fucking moron

>>7722428

Ideas and stories like this are why I would simply self-publish if I ever came up with something on my own. Your thing doesn't sound like math, but all this also gives me a sense of why people like Perelman and Grothendieck etc (reportedly) eventually became disgusted with the culture in which they had found themselves.

>>7722970

It's literally impossible. Like if someone told me they were a graduate student at Princeton, I would claim that they were lying, and if they showed me evidence to prove it, I would assume I was hallucinating.

In the middle of my math masters right now. Probably won't go for a PhD, since I don't think I can cut it. My grades are doing fine, but my regular studies eat up most of my week already and research work would probably break the camel's back.

>>7721829
Sounds awesome anon, cant wait to do the same myself. I'm the food chem guy though

So, typically, how do Grad and PhD students develop their research ideas? I've always wondered

>>7723299
Well of course Princeton is impossible, but what do you think about, say, Minnesota or UIUC?

What the hell does getting "scooped" mean?

>>7723464
You're working on something forever, someone publishes it first, your work is worthless because it cannot be published a second time.

First year PhD student. I like it.

>>7723133
Yes, it's in material science, the field requires a lot of collaboration.

>>7723464
Pic related basically.

>>7723508

Han Solo dies, killed by Kylo Ren, who is actually Ben Solo, son of Luke and Leia.

>>7723480

>>7722781
>being ok with niggers cucking you in your homeland

Disgusting.

>>7723507
this desu

>>7722954
Why don't you stop being a worthless pussy and kill THEM, not yourself?
You can always kill yourself after, if you aren't smart enough to get away with it.

>>7722867
I could not help but notice your png was not optimized anon.
I have optimized your png.
Your png is now optimized.

>>7722781
>it's okay if Jamal gets accepted for half the effort I have to put in

>>7722870
I could not help but notice your png was not optimized anon.
I have optimized your png.
Your png is now optimized.

Your png is 8 bits per channel, and 24 bits per pixel.
Your png's DEFLATE stream is composed of 15 blocks.
Your png's scanline filters are:
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>>7723415

As an international student your odds are probably like 5% or so if you're very competitive. As a domestic student, probably 10% or so.

>>7722640
>still nothing
Anybody have a problem like this in the past? I guess I need to make a phone call but christ how aggravating.

>>7723976
But if you were good enough you would have got a scholarship seeing as most scientists are white. Have your cake and eat it /sci/ if blacks are as inferior as you say then Jamal getting accepted for half the effort is a true level playing field. IIRC women only need half the score to win a tennis match because they are weaker, would you bitch that the men's game is unfair?

Finished my PhD in physics this year. I enjoyed it, but there was a lot of self motivation to get shit done that needed done. The other grad students that weren't self-starters seemed to actively hate their research since it just sat there making them feel guilty.

>>7721470
This is some sorta bot right?

I mean surely no one on /sci/ is this au...... never mind.

>>7724291
One of the people in my group spent 10 months watching YouTube videos amd browsing 9gag-esque sites.

Everyone knew that's all he did all day, even the Dean would joke about. No one gave a fuck because he has funding for 4 more years.

He's pretty happy with himself.

>>7721399
I'm in my second year and it's great. I had a few advantages, thought, since I had a job for a couple of years after my masters degree. I'm more professional about my research than others, I know what life out there is like, I can savour the time being a PhD student, because I know that once you're out there, your freedom is gone.

Protip: pick a research area you really. Because even if you love your research, you're going to hate it at some point.

>>7724459
>pick a research area you really.
Wut?

How theoretical is a statistics degree? Could you compare it to a computer science degree?

I'm at a crossroads right now in my undergrad degree.

Entering my 4th year of computer science. I can graduate by the end of the year next year. However, I want to get into data science, and everyone and their dog recommends a major in statistics. But on the other side, if I look at job descriptions, they typically look for candidates with a degree in computer science. If I decide to double major with statistics and computer science, I would be spending an extra year to year in a half in school, in addition to my computer science undergrad completion by the end of next year. Do you guys think it's worth it to double major, or would I be okay with a bachelors in compsci alone if I want to get into data science?

Thanks in advance, and Merry Christmas.