/sci/ - Science & Math

Aerospace>Mech>Everything else.

Also no, not the shitty aerospace the nasa aerospace.

Chem>Civil>Aero>Everything else, if we're talking about getting a job in that actual field.

>>7616137
Best in terms of what? Money? See pic I guess.
Or follow what interest you because that's better.
EE - device physics btw

>>7616167
Why is PetroE with it's notorious 90k starting and $130k median absent?

>implying that's worth living in shithole, 60 latitude Alaska or tracking sites

>>7616175
No idea. Just googled engineering pay scale.
It's not just PetroEs. Student's I TA'd in EE went to exxon with 95k starting in places like Houston and midwest.
Not sure how well that's holding given the current price of oil.

>>7616167
OP here, in terms of salary and employment, also I'd like to know whether systems engineering is worth it, I'm studying it, but I don't know if I should change it.

EE
EE
EE

>>7616137

>>7616167
tfw wanted to do CE but because it doesnt exist in my country I'm stuck in CS doing retarded shit fam

Biomedical engineer reporting in
hahahahah YOU FUCKERS ARE MAD IM GONNA BE MAKING DOUBLE SALARY DOING MY DREAM JOB WHILE YOU'RE STUCK BEHIND YOUR SHITTY CUBICLE HAHAHA GET MAD FUCKERS

>>7616191

I like all my physics courses so much, I take them twice!

>>7616196
I want to genetically engineer superhumans but I hate biology.

>>7616202

Do you like Chemistry? They kind of go hand in hand.

Maybe you should work toward being an evil dictator who invests in eugenics and genetic engineering.

>>7616185
In the US engineering is usually pretty straightforward to get good pay and employment as long as you do internships and network for easy mode.
No idea about systems engineering, but what I did was look at job postings for the stuff I was interested in and asked myself if I would ever want to do that.

>>7616204
I picked it because I didn't know what to study, and my dad said that was the broadest of all engineerings. But from what I've read, it's practically nonexistent in US and that worries me

>>7616191

packaging engineering is kind of part of chemical/mechanical.

>>7616184
Oil sector is unpredictable and generally not doesn't have good job security. This is why those Petro Engineers become Mech Engineers after a few years. The commodity bust just fucked up jobs in that sector. Tech is laying off tens of thousands of engineers.

>>7616223
That's a bad reason to do it.
See if your college has an intro to engineering.
Mine did and it was 1 credit where we would go to different engineering departments once a week and see what they offer/do.

>>7616245

He should really pick one of the main 4 (civil, mechanical, electrical, or chemical) to have a better pick of jobs.

>>7616163
>Civil
>2nd

Anyone Ocean Engineering here?

>>7616256

civil should be number one for ease of finding a job.

>>7616202
how do you hate biology it's so cool

>>7616156
What kind of aerospace then?

>>7616137
Objectively, both in terms of coursework and employability:
>(Bio)ChemE/MaterialsE = NukeE >>> EE > AeroE = MechE >>>> CivilE = MiningE = MetalE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BiomedE = NanoE = MechatronE = ComputerE
~Not real engineering power gap~
>IndustrialE = EP (engineering physics) and it's variants = AudioE = SoftwareE and all the other meme bullshit.

>>7616196
Biomed is a meme m8, one of the lowest tiers, even MechEs can do your job (better).

>>7616192
Same. Gonna change to EE after I'm done though.

>>7616167
not true,math is $300k starting

nuclear > all others >> civil >>>>> industrial

>>7616502
No. Not its not. You fucking idiot

>>7616520
>Being this buttblasted about a meme

Just engineers

How about Electronics Engineering?

Just a friendly reminder to not fall for the old nuke and aero being good meme

>>7616539
>nuke is a meme
>not being a renaissance man

Electrical engineering is absolutely the best in every area.

>hardest
>highest pay without being a specialization
>broad

No other engineering degree fits all of that. The second best is ME simply because it's also very broad. Being broad > everything else.

>>7616536
dave jones pls go

>>7616623
>No other engineering degree fits all of that
nuclear does

>>7616626
I SUPPOSE, yeah you could say NE because it's basically ME with some shit tacked on(at some schools) but maybe not even, making it less broad, but who in the fuck works in NE? Do you actually want to work in what you majored in? good luck with NE. you picked probably one of the smallest majors. EE grads actually work in EE most of the time.

EE is also harder.

>>7616631
>EE is also harder.
nah

>>7616626
nuclear is a specialization of mechanical so no. also have fun working as a mechanical anyway.

>>7616633
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/electrical-engineering-vs-nuclear-engineering.766869/

yeah sorry, but it is much more abstract and is always lauded as the hardest, and there are more EEs in nuclear than there are NEs. stay mad, nobody cares, daily reminder.

>>7616633
EE's have the biggest dicks. Admit it, NE faggot. You're literally an ME that takes a few extra classes.

>>7616640
EE isn't harder than nuke

my major > your major

>>7616631
>Do you actually want to work in what you majored in?
if by that you mean fission power plants, no I don't. nukes can work basically anywhere they want because the know basically everything and can adapt to any project. what other major do you know of that can work on such a broad range of badass shit

>>7616647
>Spherical harmonics
>Diffusion equation
>Legendre polynomials erry where

I think you posted the wrong image, all of this is simple.

>>7616657
>ohm's law

>>7616655
>what other major do you know of that can work on such a broad range of badass shit
Mechanical, duh

automotive engineer here
big companies pay you well
plus you can deal with EE and ME because these fucktards can't bear each other

>>7616655
You don't know anything related to EE, so you're wrong. You're also a known shill.

>>7616661
Kek, also trivial.

>>7616657
>>7616661
All EEs need to know:
Gauss Law, Ohms Law, Maxwell equartions, Kirtchoff rules. Literally 1st physics

>>7616655
mechanical and electrical can do more than NE, genius.

>>7616677
>I'm not an EE: The Post

>>7616678
lets see them design a lithium blanket for tritium production, a modular reactor for Mo-99 production, an accelerator for proton beam therapy, shielding for space vehicles and electronic equipment, radiological cancer therapy, or a linear fusion device that generates a toroidal plasma for power or propulsion systems

>>7616655
ChemE is far more broad.

You don't even know how to control engineering and modelling, you fucking suck.

Go back to fastening cyclotron bolts, pleb.

>>7616673
i do, my roommates an EE

>>7616677
All MEs/NEs/AEs need to know:
Mechanics. Literally 1st physics
>>7616683
lol lets see you do literally anything electrical that all engineers(barring the EEs/CompEs) can't do already

>>7616686
post your water bottle again you dumb fuck

>>7616684
>glorified process engineers
ayy lmao

>>7616684
having fun with the nukes having no jobs?

>>7616683
>Fastening cyclotron bolts and doing radiation transfer: The Post

>>7616687
I want to take El*ctrical Engineers seriously I do, but considering a ChemE developed ICs I just can't respect your discipline as equal to my own.

>>7616689
Everything is a process. Process engineering is arguably the most successful applied theory in human history. Principles in process engineering have solved countless problems throughout all science and engineering disciplines. Most recently it revolutionized medical science and engineering. In any case it's just a small subset of the almighty Chemical Engineering.

>>7616691
>tfw current economy

>>7616704

nuke >= EE = chemE > aero > ME >> civil >>>>> industrial

>>7616715
Cute puppy. I bet I could use process and biochemE principles to model all its internal working and construct something superior and visibly cuter.

Enjoy your strictly inorganic engineering domain faglords.

do you think microelectronics and technology is a good EE program to do? i am not interested in power at all and i dont know if i can get passionate about signals and communications. computers and tiny complex circuits seem interesting

>>7616718
>nuke >= EE = chemE > aero > ME >> civil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> industrial

ftfy

>>7616726
>I bet I could use process and biochemE principles to model all its internal working

If you could, you'd be the first.

>>7616727
You don't study power and signals to learn about power and signals.

You do it to get a rounded training in engineering. That's why the graduates from the 4 traditional disciplines always outperform all these meme degrees in industry. Not being exposed to many different disciplines is bad for your development.

>>7616704
Process is Control Engineering faggot. Under EE

>>7616730
Pharmokinetics grew out of process engineering. Biocybernetic grew out of control theory. Bioengineering and genetics is advancing rapidly as is processing power.

It's only a matter of time.

>>7616736
Does this look like a goddamned el*ctricalE textbook to you? We have our brand of control theory, one which is objectively superior to yours.

>>7616734
the subprogram is part of big EE course, a lot of stuff we learn there is shared between power and signal guys and we have to take one or two classes a year from different EE specialisations either way. my question is if you guys think that microelectronics and technology is a good idea, because later on we will get more and more specialised (naturally)
i am studying at EE faculty, everything is only EE, its just different branches

>>7616740
>my question is if you guys think that microelectronics and technology is a good idea
No we don't. If your degree says "Microelectronics and Technology" it will be worth orders less than "Electrical Engineering", you can specialize in grad-school, don't fuck around with your fundamentals.

>>7616738
Your brand of control theory?

Control Theory, Automation and Robotics is and always has been an EE discipline.

>>7616718
>>7616728
nuke is just a shitty ME, so no.

>>7616748
lel nah

>>7616191
Is Enviro really that bad?

>>7616750
>lel nah - typical nuclear engineering student

Is it really a surprise that they're so stupid?

>>7616747
>Control Theory, Automation and Robotics is and always has been an EE discipline.
We're better at it.

But seriously, control theory actually grew out of process engineering back when we used pneumatic circuitry (yes you electron worshiping cucks, you can make circuits out of other shit too) to control processes as far as I'm aware.

Or the historicity of our control theory did at least. I'm sure your textbooks tell a different story where you ignore the fact that you stole the math we developed and butchered it.

I won't deny that the average EE probably knows far more about control theory than the average ChemE today though.

>>7616746
its the best EE school in my country and its not possible to study EE on its own, when you enrol you have to choose a specialisation, there is no "general EE" or whatever you guys have in US, there is one big EE program and numerous disciplines like power, communication, then audioE and biomedE stuff
if you wanna get really technical, it will say this:
Program: Electrical Engineering and Electronic, Communication and Control Technology
Discipline: Microelectronics

the focus later on will be on designing analog and digital ICs, computers in general, nanotech and materials

>>7616748
More like ME is a shitty [every other engineering discipline]. It's like doing the first 3 years of a good engineering discipline and then falling of the wagon while masturbate pretending to be Tony Stark.

>>7616752
Yes.

>>7616767
It's similar in DTU Denmark

>>7616765
But now in Industry, there's far more Control engineers from EE background than ChemE.

>>7616767
Advice posted on /sci/ doesn't apply to meme countries, you should mention your country in the future.

>>7616765
>you stole the math we developed and butchered it.

I thought that you were a ChemE? Control theory was developed by mathematicians. You have such an overly inflated ego, it's cute.

>>7616774
Omron, Johnson Controls, ABB, Festo etc

>>7616774
There's far more MEs designing heat exchanges than ChemEs too. All the unimportant plant jobs are delegated to the lesser disciplines I don't really see your point.

>>7616785
>designing industrial parts
>unimportant

Okay. When are you receiving your Nobel?

>>7616778
>Control theory was developed by mathematicians.
Are you fucking retarded? Just because it has math in the name does not mean it was developed by "mathematicians".

Like all applied math they just formalized it after the fact you fucking moron.

>>7616789
>All dat retard rage.

kek.

>>7616788
>Disciplines that can design a heat exchange
ChemE, ME, NukeE
>Disciplines that can design a controller
ChemE, EE
>Discplines that can design a reactor
ChemE, NukeE
>People that can put the whole process together
ChemE, NukeE

Starting to see the pattern?

>>7616191
Which tier would systems engineer be in?

>>7616794
>All that ignorance of history and projection of your own ego
I'm sorry you studied a meme background degree, but grow up.

>>7616802
if you're an engineer and can't do systems design, youre not an engr. there shouldnt even be a separate systems engr, all engrs work with integrated systems design

>>7616539

You could have listened sci, you could have prevented the nuke circlejerk

>>7616804
>Ignorance of history
>Control theory literally has it's foundations in the 1800's with Maxwell

I'm not going to argue with you, that's pointless. You're just one more insecure engineer on /sci/ who, apparently, can't be happy that he's studying something useful and interesting, so needs to inflate his ego by claiming that his subject is the super special subject, that subsumes all others. It's sad really.

>>7616810
>nuke circlejerk
I don't see people from any other major on /sci/ offering brilliant insight and information like >>7610830
Everyone else is just shiptosting about pseudoscience and bullshit interpretations of QM and shit. smh tbh fam

>>7616813
The first pneamatic controller was developed before Maxwell was even born fuckwad.

>>7616813
>Maxwell
>Mathematician

Ayy lmao

>>7616804
>Tells others to grow up
>Currently masturbaing over how great his major is

10/10, Brilliant bit of irony.

>>7616821
>Being baited this easily.

>>7616817
Yeah because as we all know, things are developed at the same time as the theory of how they work. Which is why capacitors weren't invented until after Maxwell had published his equations and why there was no chemistry until QM was developed.

>This guy

>>7616818
He was second Wrangler

>>7616191
>God Tier
nuke, EE, chemE
>Top Tier
MatSci, aero, ME
>Mid Tier
physics, petrol engr
>Low Tier
math, cs, compE, civil
>Shit Tier
industrial, systems, applied science

>>7616851
>nuke
>chem
>God Tier

lmao

pic related is the truth

>>7616868
no. not at all

>>7616872
I see that you're mad that yours isn't in god-tier.

deal with it.

>>7616868
Still has mechanical engineering in two places, but looks about right. Saved.

>>7616868
>>7616875
Why does almost everyone on 4chan masturbate so hard to EE? I know a few EEs; honestly, EE is cool, but their jobs, and the degrees that they did, don't seem 'better' than any other science or engineering field. One works in power generation, one works designing electronics, one works as a programmer. The power generation seems like a bore and the electronics are cool. I don't know, I just don't get how EE is supposedly the master-field. Then again, you're all just fucking autists who probably don't even know/aren't even engineers.

>>7616889
lol you're so mad

EE and ME are the double duo god-tier engineering majors. if you double majored in them, you'd be an actual jack of all trades. EE is top because it's very abstract and hugely broad. It pays a lot, it's very useful, and it's fucking hard.

>>7616868
>CompE in God tier.

Instantly disregarded.

>>7616851
>Mid tier
>physics

>>7616894
>tfw i posted it and i actually agree
yeah..

>>7616868
Sorry but Aerospace has been stalling for at least 3 years now. Same with Pet Eng

>>7616894
>>7616896
>>7616899
I also agree with this too.

EE is at the top so that's why it's correct.

>>7616893
I'm not even mad, though. I'm genuinely wondering why so many people get so excited over EE when from my experience it's just as interesting/employable as most other fields. My best friend is an EE.

>>7616906
it's probably just the same 2/3 people tbh lol

>>7616908
in denial, I see? that's okay. some people just aren't good enough to be god-tier and that's perfectly okay.

>>7616906
It has the broad-ness of ME with a higher pay but it's also easily one of, if not the hardest major, so it's very appealing and gets the whole
>god tier
stamp

>>7616917
you just described nuke

>>7616919
there is no point in going for nuke over mechanical, though. nuke is a specialization of mechanical. you might as well say aero. at least they get more jobs.

just shut up with your nuke faggotry just because you majored in it.

>>7616917
How is EE harder than Maths or Physics? Or Medicine?

>>7616917
fuck this thread is depressing
I chose EE because I originally was really into astrophysics but wasnt willing to study something so unbelievably fucking hard
turns out I didnt help myself that much... well at least I'll have money if I don't kill myself studying for masters

>>7616928
>maths
>physics
>"medicine"
>hard

>>7616928
(Note that I'm not implying that those majors are harder than EE)

protip: they're not, they're all the fucking same

>>7616927
>there is no point in going for nuke over mechanical
>all the jobs MEs can do + all the nuke jobs + chemE jobs + matsci jobs + more money

>>7616931
>Watch how this anon with an abysmally low self-esteem makes himself feel better with this one simple trick!

>>7616928
Dude, math and physics degrees are about on par with technologist diplomas in terms of course work and the type of person that ends up getting them.

Medicine is more respectable, but not an undergrad degree.

>>7616192
CS is nice if you're in a good school and combine it with math

>>7616935
>all the nuke jobs
>all the chemE jobs
>all the matsci jobs
i actually laughed out loud.

1. there are no jobs in any of those fields

2. you wouldn't make more for being an NE

3. NE's can't do everything an ME can do

lol like i legitimately can't believe someone thinks this

>>7616939

lol
>>7616950
>he's still going

>>7616950
All the actual high-paying jobs in engineering are discipline specific ChemE/NukeE.

The crappy low paying 80k mid career jobs ask for MEs too because it's more menial work.

Here's the first google result for "Chemical engineer job posting"

>>7616959
>he's still going

Yeah m8 i'm going to call you out on your bullshit like anyone would.

>>7616167

What country is that? Because those are low as fuck, truck drivers here make 50k easily...

>>7616963
>at least 8 years experience
sorry to burst that bubble, but most engineers are making 6 figures by 8 years in.

>>7616968
Nope.

Senior Mechanical engineers earn around 80k mid career.

>>7616963
>tfw

>>7616979
My niggah.

>>7616979
Do you think you'll be working in NE or making that much?

>>7616977
Really? I'm ME, and make that much now (graduated in May)

>>7616979
>overpaid government job
>>7616977
>random companies in middle USA

lol you're pathetic.

>>7617059
>Grasping at straws

The ChemE posting was bumbfuck nowhere too, what's your point?

Considering starting an engineering degree in either electrical or computer. I love software, but the we degree has a software minor. Can I get some advice? What makes EE so superior?

>>7616977
any engineer with a PE is commanding six figures minimum.

>>7617072
>What makes EE so superior?
Anon it just is, don't question us.

>>7617076
Most CivilEs and MechEs will never break 6 figures.

>>7617069
a job at the fucking DOE is way different than at some shitty company in who cares land. ChemE jobs do not apply.

>>7617083

>>7617093
aaand that's the U.S Navy. gg though try again later.

>>7617102
no its not

>Engineering
>Earning your degree with carrying out stupid experiments, only babby maths
>"Hard"
>Most difficult part is showing up

Engineers are funny though.

>>7617082
thats because most CivilE's and MechE's lack ambition and stall their careers.

most of them never get their PE's, and most never get a masters. those two things will propel any engineer to at least 130k$.

100k+ jobs are available to dudes fresh out of undergrad, but they require you to live out of a hotel for 280 days of the year. money is fucking easy bro, you just have to chase it hard enough.

>>7617111
>Mathematics
>Earning your degree with useless esoteric proofs, dooming yourself to a lifetime of poverty, only ramen noodles
>"Desirable"
>Most difficult part is making rent

Autistic math majors are funny though.

>>7617118
>money is easy
>you just have to chase it hard enough
>easy
>hard

>>7617111
Is this maths major serious?

>>7617111
Engineering is the only challenging undergrad degree.

Everything else is for women looking for a husband.

>>7617123
getting the job is easy, and the job itself is pretty easy. its the downturn in your quality of life that discourages people. its not "difficult" in the normal sense, its how much bullshit you are willing to put up with for a paycheck.

>>7616657
>Simple
>Trivial
what retards say when they're too self-cucked to admit they don't know something

>>7617129
>Engineering is for men looking for a husband

>>7617136
So, just so we're clear, you think that's hard. Ha!

>>7617129
>engineering
>challenging

hearty kek

>>7617141

>>7617137
Is this the first gay joke in this thread? Damn, /sci/. I don't even know who you are anymore.

>>7617111
>mfw math/physics majors spout this meme all the time even though in almost every top 100 school, engineering is the most competitive/selective undergrad degree
>mfw math majors don't have the balls to say this IRL because they know they and their housewives' degree would be laughed out of the room
>mfw most math/physics majors would drop out under an engineering courseload
>mfw McGill has like a 85% average requirement for admission to department of mathematics and 95%+ for engineering
Why are non engineers so delusional? Holy shit

>be 4th year EE major
>tfw i've had like 5 random girls I barely know suddenly become aggressively romantically interested in me without knowing me after I tell them my major
it's that engineering dosh, m80s. don't let the stupid whores get you. find a qt3.14 physics major.

>>7617149
lol most maths and physics majors ARE dropped engineering majors. it's a fact. fucking no maths or physics major drop into engineering. hahaha

>>7617149
>even though in almost every top 100 school,

It's the most selective anywhere on the planet.

At shittier universities it's generally accepted that everyone in science and math are low quality students who didn't get into engineering directly and are trying to transfer.

It's why we get so much bullshit major politics from those retards, because they have a massive inferiority complex to compensate up for.

>>7617149
>Engineering program more competetive and higher requirements for admission.

You could be pulling this out of your ass but I will go with it.

>Not realizing that this is your school's attempt at artificially regulating the amount of engineers that come out every year because literally everyone and their mom wants to be an engineer because literally everyone and their mom know it is an easy pass.

The only thing I will admit is that engineers take 2 - 3 more classes per semester than other people so you have to work more hours. But this is just because your only job option is monkey tier repetitive job so you do a lot of practice for things that don't really need that much practice to be learnt.

>>7617168
All this physicsfag damage control.

>>7617168
>pulling this out of your ass
or you could just look it up and see, but you know it's true and you're a retard so you won't acknowledge it.

It's fairly easy to deduce the logic of retards when they try to argue.

>>7617168
>literally everyone and their mom wants to be an engineer because literally everyone and their mom know it is an easy pass.
then why is the drop rate from engr so high, and the graduation rate from engr so low?

>>7617172
>>7617173
>This an argument in the engineers world

You faggots and your memes, it's adorable really.

>>7617168
Wow, you really don't know anything about industry do you? Are you a freshman or something?

Engineers are the only ones who get SEM jobs.

40% of physics graduates end up in IT.
0% of math graduates get STEM jobs at all.

I wish I was making this up.

>>7617175
>People that couldn't get on to math/phys do engineering
>They, in general, were pretty piss poor students
>Not too bright
>More people drop out of engineering than in math/phys

Simple really.

>>7617168
>>7617179
typical non-engineer damage control

>>7617179
>claims statistics are an asspull
>"retard you're wrong"
>haha what a memer

hey Engi-bro's. i need some advice.

i got this small (7k$) scholarship from some consulting firm, and now they want me to come in and do an informal interview and talk to some people that work there.

i totally bullshitted the application essay. i didn't even write it, my Eng Lit major sister did.

now i'm pretty sure they want to recruit me. is consulting shit? i've gotten a bunch of mixed answers.

also, what would be a good way of politely declining while not burning any bridges? i want to keep options open + networking.

>>7617179
You're actually a fucking moron. This is why you're not an engineer.

>>7617188
>Makes a statement
>Doesn't back it up
>Blames other people for not doing his research for him.

lol engineers.

>>7617173
For fucks sake. I even went with your argument without questioning it so that we could have a discussion about the things that follow from it but you still need to protect your ego. Good on you engineers, for not being afraid of showing your true colors (lgbt flag)

>>7617172
I'm not a physics major, however by me saying that you now know what I am majoring.

>>7617175
Because most people are not fit for any STEM field. Engineering is popular and cool because you see engineers everywhere so, as I said, everyone and their mom want to get into the program. But because they are that stupid they can't even do applied mathematics well and end up dropping out.

In the engineering school were I plan to take my masters when I graduate there are higher requirements to join any engineering program. I know because most of my friends became X engineers. That requirement is simply getting 100 points above average.

>>7617184
https://career.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/Survey/2014Math.pdf

>>7617188
Keep telling yourself that.

>>7617196
I use google and you don't and it's my fault you're wrong?

>>7617196
is google too complicated for you, maths major? is common sense out of your comfort zone?

>>7617186
>>People that couldn't get on to math/phys do engineering
it's fact that engr programs have more difficult entrance requirements
the rest of your statement is irrelevant since it follows from a premise that is false

>>7617210
every engineering thread devolves into this.

>>7617200
>you see engineers everywhere
most normal people don't know what engineers even do, so you're already wrong there.

>>7617207
It's like you don't into logic. Based on the evidence an equal interpretation is that engineering is in higher demand, leading to higher entry requirements.

>>7617200
>https://career.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/Survey/2014Math.pdf
>Teacher
>IT
>IT
>IT
...

Thank you for emphasizing my point I guess?

>>7617222
kek

>>7617220
>>People that couldn't get on to math/phys do engineering
that is your basis for why engrs drop out so much, because theyre bad students that couldnt get into math/phys, but if they couldnt get into math/phys they wouldnt get into engr which has higher entrance requirements. how fucking stupid are you

>>7617200
>But because they are that stupid they can't even do applied mathematics well and end up dropping out.
No, they end up getting a math degree and shitposting on /sci/ in an engineering banter thread.

>>7617231
this.

why would a maths major even be ITT? do you think engineers go into your stupid maths major threads?

>>7617240
>implying math majors even like talking amongst their shitty selves about their poor life decisions

>>7617222
You said 0% of math majors end up in STEM. But yeah yeah, backtrack now that you have been shown to be a retard.

But I have already shown you the light so maybe you and the other engineers are interested in knowing more.
Here is the entire survey for all careers:
https://career.berkeley.edu/Survey/2014Majors

If you care about real numbers instead of your own echo chamber, you will also notice that all engineerings (except for EE) get paid significantly less than Mathematicians (around 10k less in average)

To help you: Mathematicians in average earn 84k in their entry level job.

Now look the average pay for your engineering and compare.

I will give you something though: You have more chances of being employed.

However, if you notice the math results, most of them decided to go to grad school so it doesn't count.

So if you notice:
Math graduates without a job: 18%
Civil Engineers without a job: 18%

The market is as good for you as it is for me, and my pay is higher.

>>7617247

>>7617231
Your argument is that people that can't do applied mathematics then go to get degrees in pure and abstract mathematics?

I think I found pure genius here!

>>7617254

>>7617250
lmao so much damage control

>However, if you notice the math results, most of them decided to go to grad school so it doesn't count.
kek suuuure m80 it doesn't count because they all happened to go to grad school :)

this is like med school students or even residents coming into our threads trying to compare themselves to us for some reason.

>>7617230
You know what bro, you're right, I didn't think that through at all. But ultimately I'm just shitposting, I never went to college and personally think it's funny watching you faggots argue over who's bit of paper was harder to get. I mean it's almost like you think that any of the faggots itt are going to be successful at anything. Really all you're doing is running up debt with precious little job prospects at the end.

>E...enjoy your minimum wage, retard.

I got an apprenticeship at an accountancy firm, I probably earn more now then anyone in this thread will at the height of their career.

Enjoy your debt, fags.

>>7617268
screencapping for this is who defends non-engineers

>>7617264
They happened to go grad school?

You entering into a phd or masters program is not something that happens. They did it conciously and had to work for it. You should google grad school entry requirements.

And remember that most grad students also get paid by their own schools (their studies plus something to live) so they are making money too.

But you are literally ignoring the fact that there were others that chose to go to get a job and that those people are getting paid more than you.

10/26/2015 - The day all engineers got BTFO by a single mathematics student.

>>7617268
>mfw debt free

>>7617250
First one I opened 109kpa salary

https://career.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/Survey/2014EECS.pdf

Nuclear shows "no data available" and those are the highest paying engineering degree.


>Now look the average pay for your engineering and compare.
Grouping "engineering" is exactly as fucktarded as grouping physics, biology and psychology degrees as "science" and then making fun of physics majors for earning 40k.


I'll go back to my "eco chamber" which used national statistics now because most of the population doesn't earn their math degrees from your school. Your degree is literally kiddies engineering as far as you've posted.

>>7617275
>BTFO all engineers
*10/26/2015 - the day a maff major couldnt estimate properly

>>7617268
>did co-op
>no debt
>being proud of being a wannabe accountant, the most beta and soul-sucking job on the planet
im not even an engineer, i'm a software dev but you're still a faggot

>>7617275
>But you are literally ignoring the fact that there were others that chose to go to get a job and that those people are getting paid more than you.
lol, no they aren't, and you can't prove that because you're an idiot that likes to lie on the internet because you're very stubborn. they don't even make more on average with a PhD.

>>7617250
lmao
>mathematicians earn 84K
>entry level
ahahah this is great m8s.

>maths grads
>civil grads
what about aaaaaaaaaaaaalll of the other engineer majors? why pick just one? we ARE talking about engineers and maths majors.

also, your pay is lower. sorry to burst your bubble. you're also over 100x less likely to even have a job related to your degree. feel free to stay mad and try to justify yourself in an engineers thread.

>>7617268
>Really all you're doing is running up debt
I'm on a fully covered corporate bursary paying me a 10k stipend on top of covering my textbooks and tuition.

Why don't you just git gud?

>>7617268
>accountancy firm
That's around 60k mid career, you're pretty delusional.

>>7617268
>debt
I had a smart family that actually pays for each generations post-secondary education. I'm sorry you have a shit family.

>>7617282
I did say in my post that EE was the only one that earned more.

Read the study for the reason why there is no data available for some
"Fields with four or less
responses are not shown to protect the confidentiality of respondents."

NukE had 5 responses. 0 of them working, 1 in grad school, 2 unemployed. The other 2 unknown, probably sucking dick.

>>7617283
10/26/2015 the day an engineer stopped caring about giving sound arguments.

>>7617289
What the hell? Are you not following the survey that I have provided? It is not even cherry picked data. I got this link from a post made by a CS guy who wanted to make the point that they are making big money. The same study also shows that math makes more than engineering.

>>7617293
>what about aaaaaaaaaaaaalll of the other engineer majors? why pick just one? we ARE talking about engineers and maths majors.

I gave you that example but you can follow the study and read on your fucking own.

>also, your pay is lower. sorry to burst your bubble. you're also over 100x less likely to even have a job related to your degree. feel free to stay mad and try to justify yourself in an engineers thread.

I wanted to make a point, so I brought in data from a prestigious research university. Show me a different survey that says that you earn, in average, more than me and then you can tell me all you want.

For now, I've been the only person who has cared enough to show actual numbers instead of bullshit stories.

I guess that makes sense, giving that you only do applied mathematics. You are not even a real scientist.

Everyone not top 10 on this list can fuck right off.

includes you EEfags hahahaha gtfo

good luck getting jobs at large business prime contractors (Nuke jobs especially) with your STEM degree without US Army/Navy/Chairforce/Marines experience

now going to post various engineers are god-tier pictures

>>7617302
>Show me a different survey that says that you earn, in average, more than me and then you can tell me all you want.

google "Petroleum Engineering"

pay fluctuates wildly within engineering and your studies don't take into account commission based positions.

>>7617302
http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/bachelors?page=22

You're 37th on a national level. Notice you are still above CivE which everyone know pays nothing?

But CivE jobs are still more interesting than the limited options you have; which is code monkeying if you want a good salary.

>>7617308

>>7617306
>forgot list.

Now fuck right off!

>>7617314

>>7616536
should belong in god tier/top

>>7617302
Do you know anything about statistics at all? There's like fuckall data points in that study. Try using a site that actually gives national data.

>>7617318

>>7617307
>be veteran
>getting engineering degree with muh GI bill
>learn i'm actually a "protected class" under affirmative action
>don't even bother going to interviews in a suit anymore, i know i'll get it.

these feels

>>7617323

>>7617313
>based nuke # 2
>only behind soulless petroleum engr
>nuke is actually interesting/cool as fuck and you get to fuck with the most energy-dense shit imaginable

>>7617325
Thank god i don't live in muhrica

>>7617325
Seriously? I had no idea.

Note to future self, hire god-tier veterans instead of worthless AA babies.

>>7617336
petro is old n busted (lel @ <50$ a barrel). sales engineering is the new hotness.

>>7617336
>implying petro and nuke majors coming out now actually work in their fields

protip: they don't. you will work as an ME, 99/100 times. sorry

>>7617313
That's interesting data. Now, thank you.

>Petroleum engineering 100k+ starting
That is indeed fucking nice. However there are trends showing that this sector in specific may shrink in the following decades. Still, 100k starting is really nice.

Ignoring petroleum (because with those numbers there is no discussion that it is top tier), my mathematics is just 16k behind the next one in the lead.

I will be making 16k less in average than those people. That is not so bad.

Fortunately for me I'm not an average person and my internships in companies will benefit me greatly when the time comes so I am sure my earnings will be above average.

>actual mathematics in second
Nice too, unfortunately I don't care about specializing in that area. Even though I think in my country there is no specialization for that, you can get in out of mathematics because there is no specific actuary degree here.

I don't know what study is more accurate but either way my future is looking pretty bright. I will also bookmark that study now.

>>7617322
True, I guess.

>>7617336
>>7617313
Anyone else loving the fact that 71% PetroEs reported saying "their work makes the world a better place" and only 58% of NukeEs said the same thing?

Cheeky cunts.

>>7617348
>I'm not an average person
That's what average people say.

>>7617348
>"my country"
poo in loo

>>7617313
Oops, I forgot to answer to your code monkeying argument.

Let me answer that with this:
Who the fuck would hire a mathematician to do code monkeying. It is CS people who study languages and memorize algorithms in their degree. Mathematicians in the software industry would get hired in tougher and more logic based positions.

Btw, it is exactly software that interests me so I have no problem working at a software company.

>>7617325
Can you show up in your BDUs? that would be better tbh fam

>>7617348
"Actuarial Mathematics" refers to rare professional degrees by that name it's a lot of business classes and other bullshit stacked on their applied math.

Mathematicians can become actuaries if they pass the exams, but I doubt you'd be earning as much as them as someone who holds an actuarial math degree with a management background.

>>7617353
I said that I am not an average person because I've down various internships.

The average person spends their summer partying and taking drugs. I chose to do interviews and then work for a few weeks there.

I did not say that in the stupid "I'm better than everyone else" sense". and you should know it. I did mention the interships literally a few words after.

>>7617358
Say what you want. I live in a nice house, go to a nice school and meet mostly nice people in mostly nice places.

>Thinking that america is the only nice place in the world and that every other country is a shithole.

Yeah yeah, keep stroking that dick.

>>7617366
That's okay for me. As I said, that is not the area of mathematics that interests me. However, it is good to know I have a few extra career options.

>>7617362
i cut all my BDU pants into shorts.

>>7617370
>Thinking that america is the only nice place in the world and that every other country is a shithole.
Where in the fuck did this come from? Believe it or not, smart americans know what countries are the best and which are not.

>>7617370
You are in for a serious shock if you think the average person doesn't do internships.

I don't know a single person in my graduating class that doesn't have 1-2 internships under their belt. Most have 2.

I mean what the fuck this isn't high-school no one in STEM "spends their summer partying and taking drugs" what the fuck.

I'm not even saying you're not above average, I don't know your grades/what quality work you produced during your internships, but having internship experience on your CV is expected, not special. It's only when you don't have any that you are guaranteed to be unemployed.

>>7617379
this. i had 3 six month internships before graduating as an EE and I'm doubting that I was the top student.

>>7617379
I guess the market must be more competetive where you are and that drives more people to get internships.

I know people from my major and others that say they do nothing in their summers. Some even say that they use their summers to relax because their studies stress them that much.

The only classes that I know everyone there has internships are those that have mandatory internships in their curriculum.

But I guess you are right, maybe I will get the average pay.

Why is Civil always so low?

>>7617379
>no one in STEM "spends their summer partying and taking drugs"

you can still party and do drugs while having an internship. i said i only wanted 30 hours a week and they were cool with that.

>>7617392
its feast or famine. you are only as successful as the current construction boom. civil is weird because, yeah, it pays low as fuck if you work for someone else, but it has most mobility in terms of starting your own company. general construction is easy to get into.

>>7617391
>I know people from my major and others that say they do nothing in their summers. Some even say that they use their summers to relax because their studies stress them that much.
Yes, those are the type of people we make fun of who become teachers or work in retail/service. They aren't going to become mathematicians. They got a math degree for the sake of getting a college experience.

You're going to be competing against serious STEM candidates who take their careers seriously.

>maybe I will get the average pay.
The offers you get is mostly determined by your network unless you're coming from a really prestigious school.


What country do you live in if I might ask?

>>7617392
The requirements for working as a Civil Engineer out of college are fucking ridiculous. Most of them will want EIT at least and 2-3 years of experience. Plus the only thing cool about it is Traffic engineering anyway

>>7617414
Panamá. Just remember Roosevelt and the panama canal for that one.

I also go to a public university. It is, unfortunately, the only university that had a pure mathematics program. Sad but true.

>>7617423
>Most of them will want EIT
>not having your EIT

might as well go to law school and not take the bar.

>>7617440
This. I don't understand you can get your EIT straight out of graduation and having 2 summer internships is considered "2 years experience" so these requirements >>7617423 seem entirely expected to me.

where i come from EE is what you do if your GPA is too low for anything else. believe me it is nothing close to top tier

>>7617476
you must be at a uni that is super shit at EE, then.

>>7617476
threadly reminder that if your country isn't a signatory of the washington accord, your engineering programs are shit.

>>7617476
poo in loo

>>7617477
>>7617481
>>7617486
it's not that it's a bad program, it's just that nobody wants to do it. I see their point, it's the most uninteresting specialisation there is, has shit pay compared to many of the others, and yet is still highly difficult. what the fuck is the point?

>>7617336
shit i really reallly really want to study nuclear engineering, everything sounds so cool ive read like 3 different books on it now and I need to start this degree, the only bummer is that i need an AA in physics and maths A levels along with my electronic engineering HNC :/ im 24 now, fucked around in school and was forced to go to work on a construction site as soon as i left school, I hope its not too late for me to have a career in something I have a great interest in.

>>7617511
you are going to be working till you are like 65. you got time.

>>7616647
Literal window-licking retard here. Can someone explain what those calculations do? Does all of that condense down into a single number? What in the actual fuck am I looking at?

>>7616868
Accounting grad here. Technically speaking, it should also be in suicide tier.

>BS in Mathematics
>Getting MS in engineering.

Will literally be cucking all the undergraduate engineering plebs when I graduate.

>>7618500
hope you have industry experience.

>>7616502
Only at the PhD level. The chart describes math at the BA level.

>
Right now people actually think EE isn't the best engineering disciple, as they type this on their laptop, desktop, smartphone, etc.

>>7616137
Any degree from Berkeley/MIT/Stanford/Harvey Mudd/CalTech >>>>>>> everyone else

>>7618563
>Berkeley/MIT/Stanford/Harvey Mudd/CalTech >>>>>>> everyone else
What about Harvard?

>>7618566
>Engineering
>Harvard
It's like you are in middle school or something

>>7616137
Bachelor of Marine Engineering and Technology Management. Please rate.

>>7618500
lol you don't have any experience so you're automatically in the trash and that's why non-engineers don't go for engineer grad degrees unless they already worked in engineering. lmao you non-engineers are so fucking dumb.

>>7618480
Post window licking pic

>>7616191
>mechEng
>shit tier
Mad as fuck

>>7616457
I think he meant Nasa, but he forgot a comma.

sci is not that smart as they think they are. Not smartest or strongest that survive, its most adaptable

>>7618785
Oh boy you cant even imagine whos sitting here, but the smartest of sci members dont get into shitthreads or shitstorms i guess

>>7616893
objectively aero=nuke>>EE

>>7619606
>aero
no
>nuke
no
>EE
yes

petroleum>aero>biomed=EE>nuke>chem>mech>civil=industrial>software

>>7619821
wow you're dumb

>>7619831
NO U

I'd join in your guys' argument but my job keeps me pretty busy :^)

t. Civil Engineer

>>7619831
*your

>>7616670
How to into auto engineer?

>>7620009
Automotive is just electrical engineering tbh

>>7616261
do you design oceans?

>>7616167
The sad thing is cs majors with shit experience/abilities are getting 70k+ starting
>tfw computer engineering but working in software with 75k starting salary

The money is just too good to turn down.

>>7616196
All the biomed engineers I know with only a bachelors are having a really hard time finding a job that isn't bitch lab work....

seems like grad school is the only way to do anything remotely interesting

>>7616901
What's wrong with CE?

Im ChemE student at this moment and I wasnt sure if i chose a good way, I mean Im really good in math physics and chemistry but I was afraid of getting a job, thanks God i did some researches and found out its not that hard especially abroad.
Currently studying in Poland, but after I get my degree Im going to master in sweden in chemical engineering as well. Problem is I wanted to become scientist cuz research and shit but whatever its time for some second dope Tesla yo

>>7619848
>took my picture
I don't know why but I don't like when people do that.

also civil is a cycle field. you will have loads of jobs now and have none in 5 years. it just goes like that.

>>7616851
>Mid Tier
>physics

The fuck?

So what is the general opinion on mechanical engineering?

>>7621303
Mechanical = standard engineering
Electrical = Most difficult with reasonable job prospects
Nuke & Petrol = Difficult with less job prospects (which make mad dosh)
Chemistry = Mad dosh and tubes
Civil = less difficult, most steady job prospects
Industrial =shit
Mechatronics = shit tier meme degree
Aero = Narrowed down mechanical eng
Comp = EE with some CS

>>7621418
>Electrical = Most difficult
>EE with only reasonable prospects
>grouping nuke with petrol
>nuke not most difficult/coolest

>Chemistry = Mad dosh and tubes
>tubes
can you explain? Also why is EE regarded as hard as shit?

>>7621421
this shill just won't quit.

>>7621470
it's like an engineering degree and a maths degree at the same time. it's easily the most abstract engineering major, and since engineers are so hard working, it's the god-tier major as you need to be extremely intelligent and hard-working to graduate in it.

>>7621470
Anon here >>7621517 already answered the EE question.

As for the tubes, most optimization problems chem engs have to deal with, have to do with tubes.

>>7621517
>easily the most abstract engineering major
still nuke >>7616647
resonance absorption/neutron scattering/plasma orbits in time-dependant electric and magnetic fields >> ohms law

>>7621524

>>7621535
see >>7621491 you're more funny than anything at this point to actually shill nuclear engineering as being the hardest when it's just a glorified mechanical degree. shut the fuck up already.

>>7621546
> Crying because of lolz
Thanks anon, now better go back to you high school homework

>>7621546
dont hate the genius, hate the meme

>>7618653
Shut up.

You cannot even begin to comprehend the tortuous existence one must suffer in order to begin to gain a basic understanding of the fundamental mathematical concepts used to build a foundation for learning how to begin understanding the most basic of basic mathematical concepts required to fail at getting a PhD in Mathematics.

>>7621517
>>7621524
Alright I get it now, thanks Anon

Some advice on transferring to a pre-engineering degree?

My initial choice was to complete a CS+Math (spec in physics) double-major and then work in computational life sciences as a career. I've talked to a rep from a college that I planned to transfer to and she suggested that I look into their pre-engineering program as well.

I did, and it seems like there are engineering/math professionals that move into life sciences, but EE+Bio just seems like a left-field combination to get into. Is it worth my time in terms of job prospects/schooling investment/job satisfaction?

Some examples:

Engineering Insights: Computational Science and Engineering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQW9eT0SjS4

What is computational life science?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqXcpU4z7s4

Dean's Seminar Series: John A. Rogers on the Future of Bio-integrated, Dissolvable Electronics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekP7LBeM5qE

>>7621552
you're literally an undergrad

>>7621668
Chemical engineer
So yeah, kind of undergrad

>>7616156
What?

Who the fuck wants work at slaveryX?

Also can I get a job designing cool missiles for the military out of uni?

>>7620615
What about the cs bubble

>>7621699
mad fag that didn't get into spacex detected

1st year BioChem engineering student here.
How badly did I fuck up?

What's with all the hate for Biomedical engineering? I'm studying chemical engineering, but at my school biomedical is essentially the same thing as chemical with 3 or 4 classes swapped out for biomedical focused ones. Is this not the norm?

If Electrical Engineering is so god tier, then why is Computer Engineering, a field so close to EE it shares 85% of the classes at many schools, regarded as shit tier?

>>7621998
an EE can work in compE. a compE can't work in EE. compE isn't as close to EE as you'd think. it's a dumb combo of EE and CS, and it differs at every uni.

civil and industrial are the only ones that are actually regarded as shit-tier.

>>7616868

>>7621998 begs to differ

>>7622021
fuck put those the other way around

>>7621998
I studied in a premier tech uni. Most of my classmates in EE took up jobs in programming and general CS stuff.

Berkeley EECS
>> berkeleyeecs.com

>>7622017
Is it worth even doing compE instead of EE then?

>>7623531
compE is fucking dumb. you might as well go into EE and minor in CS. you'll learn way more.

>>7623555
Why not just do a double major in EE and compE at that point, and why would people even go to compE if EE with CS is a far better choice?