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I was curious about how deep a crater would need to be on the Moon for the air pressure to be similar to that of the Earth's surface. If we could dig such a crater, a future lunar colony could be nestled in such a crater to create an atmosphere for colonists. I came up with this:

The moon’s atmosphere is comprised mostly of argon, helium, and neon with an average molecular mass of 0.030123 kg/mol. It has about one trillionth the atmospheric density of Earth at sea level, or 1.01 * 10^-10 kPa at the surface. The average gravitational acceleration is 1.62519(412) m/s^2, though it's not constant due to the mascons. The temperature of the surface of the moon varies from 100 K to 373 K, with an average surface temperature of 237 K.

If we assume Lb = 0, gravitational acceleration is uniform, the gas mixture is constant, and the electrostatically suspended lunar dust is ignored, one can use the Barometric Formula to derive this formula:

P = 1.01*10^-10*exp[(-1.625*0.030123*h)/8.314*237]

In order to calculate for h, the formula can be written as:

h = [8.314*237*ln(P/1.01*10-10)]/-1.624*0.030125

Earth’s atmospheric pressure at sea level is 101.325 kPa, so the value h needed to achieve that pressure P is -1,113.8 km below the surface. That’s far too deep to dig using modern equipment, despite the lower gravity and lack of geological activity making such a project far more feasible than on Earth. For reference, the moon’s radius is only 1,737.5 km,

Pressure at sea level isn’t feasible, but what about higher elevations? An alpine tree line on Earth range from 500 meters to 5200 meters above sea level. The atmospheric pressure at 5200 meters above sea level is approximately 55 kPa, so the value h needed to achieve that pressure P is -1089.2 km below “sea level”. It’s still not feasible, only shaving off a few kilometers off of the massive excavation project required to achieve habitable pressures.

>> No.7581062

Cont.

For fun, I decided to look at Mars. Mars’s atmosphere is mostly CO2 at 95.97%, with an average molecular mass of 0.04334 kg/mol. The air pressure varies a lot over the Martian surface, with the highest pressure being in Hellas Planitia at 1.155 kPa. G is 3.711 m/s2. The mean annual surface temperature is 210 K. That gives us the formula:

h = [8.314*210*ln(P/1.155)]/-3.711*0.04334

For air pressure at sea level, the value h is 51.66 km. For air pressure at the tree line, h is 45.07 km. Such depths have never been achieved on Earth, so it still doesn't seem feasible. However, Mars also has the advantages of lower gravity and a lack of geological activity that the moon has. It just might be feasible with current Earth technology, although building a structure on the surface is still much easier (unless you excavated using a captured meteor or something).

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>>7581058
It's time we had a talk about your addiction

>> No.7581122

>>7581120
>that pic of those mongoloids again
Just end them already. I bet they're not even conscious.

>> No.7581155

>>7581058
>-1,113.8 km below the surface
Considering the radius of the Moon is only about 1700 km the uncompensated barometric formula goes straight out of the window. The effective mass generating gravity at this depth corresponds to a sphere having a radius of only 600 km.

>> No.7581174

>>7581058
Your maths clearly says it won't work. Why did you post this?

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>> No.7581774

>>7581062

>the Moon has more geologic activity than Mars