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All these meme hoverboards floating about (no pun intended) got me thinking maybe I could try setting up a home lab to research flywheel energy. Obviously I won't be making anything cutting edge but perhaps I could make something cheap and simple enough to be commercially viable. Despite being NEET I actually know how to make YBCO because I did one year of university studying chemistry and 1/3 of what I did in those few months was synthesis of inorganic compounds of which making YBCO was a task. What do you guys think? Worth a shot?

>> No.7525765

>>7525759
>no pun intended
stopped reading there

>> No.7525779

Sorry, but what does a flywheel have to do with chemical synthesis?

And what do you mean by commercially viable? Selling to industries that require backup power? Except in a few mills, that use has been largely supplanted by battery banks.

Are you hoping to store energy from the grid when it's sold cheap, then resell when it's expensive? If so, then I must tell you that you are doomed, even if your technology is tremendously efficient. At secondary voltages, you'll never make any money, and a distribution or transmission interconnection is prohibitively expensive due to the transformers, protective relaying, engineering costs, line construction....

My utility has a $15 million state of the art battery bank that has a total capacity of ~10 MWh. We use half that capacity for peak shaving. It earns us an average of $50/day. You can do the math on how long that will take to pay off. It doesn't even pay for the maintenance, much less turn a profit.

If you really want to make money, design a cheap transformer. Something that doesn't require a ton of copper. Conductive plastic windings or something.

>> No.7525801

>>7525779
>Sorry, but what does a flywheel have to do with chemical synthesis?
superconductor = levitation = no friction = high efficiency flywheel ya dingus
>Selling to industries
Lol no personal use only. In third world countries there is a need for cheap personal energy storage due to frequent power cuts.

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7526098

>>7525801
>In third world countries
>better use a superconductor :^)

>there is a need for cheap personal energy storage due to frequent power cuts
>source: my ass
>also implying that a one man garage operation of any kind will deliver CHEAP PRODUCTS TO THE THIRD WORLD MARKET
top fucking kek
delusional doesn't even begin to describe it

>> No.7526213

Making YBCO isn't really something you can do in your basement. There are already plenty of people working on making more of it for cheaper, especially in wire form, and it's fucking hard. Go back to school and actually do some research in a real lab if that's what you want to do.

t. Someone who actually works with YBCO

>> No.7527193

>>7526098
I have contacts in the third world you fucking idiot. Something that could store solar power for a few hours would be useful they say
>delusional
Yes no commercial product has ever been invented in a garage. Heck the Apple I wasn't invented in a garage it was years of effort by thousands of scientists at Bell Labs clearly. I think what your high and mighty self fails to realize is this is business. Your autistic brain may find it hard to understand but you don't have to be cutting edge to be a hit on the market.
>>7526213
You can do anything in your basement if you have the money. It doesn't need to be in wire form for my application. This isn't a 12 year old's school project you know, if my product is viable I can take out loans for equipment.

My god has this what it has come to? Any non-scientist who tries to utilize recent scientific research is attacked? Science is becoming more and more like a religious secret club by the day.

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7527291

>>7527193
>Any non-scientist who tries to utilize recent scientific research is attacked? Science is becoming more and more like a religious secret club by the day.
>HURRDURR UR JUST NOT OPEN MINDED ENOUGH
as expected from someone who thinks using superconductors as bearing for a flywheel in a third world short term energy storage is a valid solution

I mean if you're constantly in fear of having power cut off then you OBVIOUSLY will have enough resources to constantly keep superconductors within their operating temperature

you do know that ybco only becomes superconductive at around 90K, do you?
if a machine intended for cheap use in third world countries requires LIQUID NITROGEN to work then you're doing something wrong
the fact that I need to spell that out for you shows how you didn't think about any of this for more than 2 seconds
because that's all it took me to realize what a brainfart you're brewing here

>> No.7527465

>>7526098
>there is a need for cheap personal energy storage due to frequent power cuts
this is pretty common knowledge you retard

>> No.7527471

>>7525759
> I actually know how to make YBCO because I did one year of university studying chemistry and 1/3 of what I did in those few months was synthesis of inorganic compounds of which making YBCO was a task.
I doubt you made it pure enough for superconduction

>> No.7527504

You don't need a superconductor to levitate a flywheel and it would actually be less efficient than using electromagnets because of the need for cooling of the superconductor.

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7527519

>going through the effort of synthesising ybco
>going through the effort of cooling it down so it becomes superconductive in the first place
>to do the job of a high performance roller bearing that costs a buck a piece
>all this just to build a "cheap and effective" energy storage
sounds totally legit
10/10 idea, gonna patent it right away before OP does :^)