/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7515708
fuck u hume

nope

>>7515708
yes
Before this moment, I'm not even sure anything has happened because for all I know the universe could have spawned into existence right now and have been "injected" with a history, and I could have recieved memories of what I should have seen and done in the past.

>>7515777
That isn't a reason to doubt your qualia, though. You're still remembering things contained in your memory in a present time. Even if the universe was created 0.00001 seconds ago, there is still the "now" that you're experiencing, no matter what.

>>7515787
am I really experiencing it ? Or am I just remembering something without immediate access to what comes after ?

>>7515823
even in the latter case there's still someone experiencing the remembering

>>7515823
Even if that's the case, you can still call that the "now". After all, you would be experiencing your memory right "now". Even if there is a delay in your senses, you're still experiencing the delayed experience in a "now".

>>7515708
>you
Look at this pleb who believes a "you" exists and laugh.

>>7515857
Define the concepts of "you" and "exist", then explain "your" point. Go ahead anon, enlighten "me".

>>7515876
Define "define"

>>7515967
"I" don't think "I" want to re-define basic semantics that should be understood in the same way by everyone. The concepts that actually need a better definition to allow a productive discussion are the ones "I" listed.

Anyway, take a look at this cute lioness to soften things up.

>>7515708
>"your own qualia"

Challenge fucking accepted

>Your own qualia implies I am experiencing my own and not somebody else's. As I cannot have access to reality outside of my perceptions I cannot prove this to be the case and so I deny they are mine own
>The qualia you are experiencing implies there is an "I" or "Me" to experience anything at all, however this does not prove that there is anyone to experience anything, only that there is experience. An illustration of this point is "It is raining". There is no "it" that is doing the raining, just the rain.
>Qualia is to imply there is more than one quale, however as I am only ever experiencing this one perception I cannot be sure I ever have more than one, even if I am remembering one I had before, as that is part of the present quale and there was never necessarily a quale or qualia before that

Done.

>Inb4 in the last point you said "I perceive" etc.
Yes, refer back to the "it is raining" point. It's the way the language is set up and doesn't necessarily refer to any object in existence.

>Inb4 Why even post if you believe all this?

I don't but I accepted the challenge, therefore I completed it

>>7515708
Yes, my immortal soul magically solves the problem.

>>7515967
Define "Define "define""

>>7517170
def Define(statement):
return Define(statement)

>>7515708
>Are you skeptic enough to deny

If you think skepticism means "denying," you're doing it wrong.

>>7517198
/Thread

>>7517198
A meaningless observation. The idea of the thread still remains intact.
>>7517279
Samefag

>>7517790
nope

I agree that the idea of the the thread remains, but precision is key in discussions like this

>>7517846
>>7517790
Forgot pic