/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7498815
Only the E and T in STEM have a disproportionate amount of males. Incidentally they're also the dumber but more highly paid parts of STEM. So while you could propose that as an argument it wouldn't even be a proper hypothesis until you found a way conduct reproducible controlled experiments against it. Obviously you would know this if you were in the S and M parts of STEM.

I think the real problem is that the E and T parts of STEM are becoming this offputting cyst of autism that bothers everyone including the rest of STEM. Personally I think the easiest solution is to separate the two so that E and T are just their own thing.

>>7498815

social media mobs get people fired. it also is very easy to propagate half truths about people and when they like an ideal such as having diversity for the sake of diversity, people clutch to it and attack those who try to interject logic into their pursuit.

A lot of these people live in the domain where they don't really care about objectivity or truth, just a cohesive, collectivist ideal that is worth any kind of slander, lies, or malevolent act.

>>7498832

Oh and to add one of the worlds largest tech sectors is in the San Francisco Bay Area. Things get very clique-ish if you don't hold the right sociopolitical opinions.

A generation of idle youth feel validated by seeking "social justice" and so act sanctimonious and outraged about any perceived problem, even if there is none. This group of people is loud and mainstream enough that they can impact policy.

So if there are less women in engineering or whatever, even if it's because they don't WANT to be in engineering as often as men, the superficial search for things to "fix" in order to feel validated will result in jumping on the Muh Soggy Knee bandwagon.

It's also currently hip to be a braindead feminist (as opposed to perhaps an informed one), so people will foam at the mouth when there aren't enough female engineers but not give a shit about any context where men are disadvantaged or underrepresented. It's simply hip to be sanctimonious and treat women like perpetual victims.

>>7498826
what is the point in writing such a thinly veiled shitpost?

>>7498840
>A generation of idle youth feel validated by seeking "social justice" and so act sanctimonious and outraged about any perceived problem, even if there is none. This group of people is loud and mainstream enough that they can impact policy.
I don't get it, what do the /pol/esmokers described here have to do with the rest of your post?

>>7498848
The rest of my post describes the sorts of things those people do and how they related to people freaking out about diversity.

>>7498846
What exactly did you disagree with?
>Engineering has 15% female students
>Comp Sci/IT has 15% female students
>Natural Sciences have between 35-65% female students depending on the field.
>Mathematics has 45% female students.

>Everyone agrees that Engineering/Comp Sci/IT is full of retards compared to math and physics.
>Everyone agrees that it's easier to land a higher paying job through engineering/Comp Sci/IT.

>Formally in order for a hypothesis to be considered valid per the scientific method it must be testable via reproducible controlled experiments (this is why religion can't into science).

>>7498857
Well, while I agree that /pol/ spreads garbage across the internet in an effort to dole out social justice and influence policy, it sounds like they do the opposite of what you're saying.

>>7498815
Because they're literally the only fields that aren't currently riddled with Marxist propaganda like "diversity is always good" and "politically incorrect turths aren't true and should be banned".

>>7498869
Well I'm not talking about /pol/, you read that into my post / brought that up. I really don't understand /pol/ but my impression is that they are idle and sanctimonious to the right rather than the left. The left are the ones freaking out about diversity. The /pol/ right instead freak out about NIGGERS and JEWS or something.

>>7498815
>>7498815
>using psychological correlates to biological functions.

I hope you don't do this anon

>>7498878
Well they're both groups of shitposting SJW. I just assumed you were talking about /pol/ because they're the ones we usually see here on /sci/.

In my opinion both of those groups are largely ignored in academia because grad students and researchers are already too over worked and panicked over funding to care about the dumb squabbles going on in social media.

>>7498873
>OP says thing is happening.
>Respond by saying it's because thing is not happening.
lol'd

>>7498889

I'm pretty sure /pol/ never ever clamors over diversity and discrimination. That's the left, and that's what the term SJW usually is used to refer to.

Unfortunately though, "gender and women's studies" is a thing in academia. Actual academics have better things to worry about, but these people live to freak out about diversity etc. MIT has a gender studies department, for fucks sake.

>>7498895
god your an idiot.

What's he's saying is that the _acting like an SJW_ is a behavior that's independent of ideology, so the spergs who yell about diversity are no different than the spergs who yell about inbreeding and racial purity.

sperg behavior is what /pol/ is made for, and you're demonstrating it daftly.

>>7498863
You sound really salty. Almost as if someone from Engineering cucked you in a really bad way. But I'm not surprised, Engineers are literally the alpha males of STEM

>>7498895
>Social Justice Warriors
>People who go out on the internet to deliver their own brand of justice through social means (Cyberbullying, shaming, etc.).

/pol/ clamors over those same topics all the time. It's basically all they ever talk about.

I'm sorry, when I said academia I was referring exclusively to STEM (as is the context in this thread). Universities as a whole do a lot of weird shit.

>>7498890
It's a gradual change, you dumb cuck. The entire country isn't going to overhaul their entire plethora of STEM programs overnight.

>>7498910
>salty
gb2/rebbit/

>>7498815
Artificial wombs and the death squads of the race war will make sure the whining of subhumans stop, don't worry.

>>7498920
>salty is a reddit meme

Holy kek, what's next? JIDF is a reddit meme too? Or maybe you're trying really hard to "fit in"

>>7498908

>god your an idiot

Cool argument. (was the "your" intentionally ironic?)

>What's he's saying is that the _acting like an SJW_ is a behavior that's independent of ideology, so the spergs who yell about diversity are no different than the spergs who yell about inbreeding and racial purity.

No, I get that. They're similar in principle, but aimed in different directions. And only one of them is doing things relevant to what OP mentioned, pushing for diversity quotas. As far as I know /pol/tards go the extreme in the opposite direction, and don't support diversity quotas, which seems to be what OP is referencing in talking about "people all of a sudden giving a shit about racial and gender representation in the STEM fields".

>sperg behavior is what /pol/ is made for, and you're demonstrating it daftly.

If anyone here is sperging out it's you, getting all aggressive and name-call-y over trivialities. Go back to /b/.

>>7498916

>/pol/ clamors over those same topics all the time. It's basically all they ever talk about.

In opposition to the other side, yeah, no doubt.

>>7498929

>>7498932
>I post like this
Why?

>so it seems like I'm doing something
why?

>Because it looks like I have legitimate points?
why?

>BECAUSE THERES MORE POINTS
really?

>YES, CLEARLY I THOUGHT THIS OUT
did you?

>UMMM
well?

>NO, I JUST THOUGHT A LONGER POST MADE ME look sMART
top kek, ole boy

>>7498932
>Spouts a wall of text.
>Gets defensive over someone saying /pol/ is full of spergs.
>Accuses others of sperging out.

I lol'd.

>>7498942

Sorry for trying to respond in detail.

>>7498951

My last post had like 6 or 7 sentences from me. That's a wall? I don't care what people say about /pol/, but I'll argue when someone is accusing me of doing something I don't think I'm doing. If that's sperg, then call me sperg.

>>7498863
>>Natural Sciences have between 35-65% female students depending on the field.
>>Mathematics has 45% female students.
This is only because stats and useless social sciences, psychology and the like. Look at physics mufugger.

>>7499016
Natural sciences doesn't include social sciences or stats. It includes Physics, Chemistry, and Biology.

>>7499016
http://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenmajors.cfm
http://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenstem.cfm

lol induring physics and engineering are hard gay.

>>7498895
>I'm pretty sure /pol/ never ever clamors over diversity and discrimination.

Well, as long as you're sure

>>7498826
I'm a man and I'm into S and M

>>7499167
It is not the fault of men that women can't into engineering or physics.

>>7499366
Yes it is, check your privilege