/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7450795
Based on your ranking system, yes.

>>7450795
>Mechanical engineering
>Not shit tier
Literally every mechanical engineer just studied mechE because they were brainwashed into thinking they needed a STEM degree, but too dumb to study a decent engineering field.

>>7450811
that doesnt mean its a shit degree
>hating something because of some of the people that follow it

>>7450795
>astronomy
>great
lol what?

>>7450795
An architect, an artist and an engineer were discussing whether it was better to spend time with the wife or a mistress. The architect said he enjoyed time with his wife, building a solid foundation for an enduring relationship. The artist said he enjoyed time with his mistress, because of the passion and mystery he found there. The engineer said, "I like both." "Both?" Engineer: "Yeah. If you have a wife and a mistress, they will each assume you are spending time with the other woman, and you can go to the gay bar and suck some cock."

>>7450795
Where does Mechatronics fit in there bro

>>7450795
Emmm... can someone explain to me the entire top row? Where do you even get a "Petrol Energy" degree?

>>7450833
Oh fuck me it's engineering, I've gone full retard. Is "Petrol Engineering" even a thing?

>>7450833
MIT, Oxford, Harvard, you know, the usual places.

>>7450836
Yes but there is nothing God tier about it. It simply makes the most money.

UTex offers a petrol engy degree

>>7450833
he meant engr

You have the wrong chart.

This is the official /sci/ majors chart. Which is the one we all agree on.

change degree to field

what about drug lord?

just adjusting it according to tiers for u, this one a little less misleading

>>7450795
yeah very accurate, but microbiology must be at least in great tier.

>>7450961
What is mech.

Add Mechatronics

>>7450961
I was wondering about that; this makes a lot more sense.

>>7450984
Mech. is Mechanical Engineering. Mechatronics is half ME and half EE, so I guess it goes between God and Unbelievable tier?

>>7450795
Looks like English Lit is simply off the charts, "way beyond unbelievable" tier.

if you rate by employment in fields relevant to degree earned everything goes in the absolute trash, so i'm gonna enjoy my writing studies degree

>>7450795
>>7450961

Where does Bio med sci fit in?
It's pretty much in the middle of medicine and bio med eng in terms of content

>>7450795
>Geophysics above Geology
As a geology major I disagree

>>7450795

>Chem E consistently in the top tier
>Applied Math god tier

Feels good to be a double major.

>>7451054
>faggot

>>7450961
>CS
>Software Engineering
>God tier

Oh god, i'm dying.

>>7450795
I don't agree with rank of the military. I would rather join the military then do things like study theology, teach high school, or social work.

>>7451097
have you served

''Reassure me of my life choices'' the thread.

>>7451101
Not even close, I'm in college as a physics&math major.

>>7450988
How is mech. In God but mech engy is in great

Should I go for physics, mechanical engineering, or aerospace engineering if I wanna eventually launch rockets and do space shit? I'm cool with doing grad school.

Physics seems more interesting, mechanical engineering for muh jobs, but aerospace seems interesting too.

>I Just wanna make it ;_;

down rank law to be equal with theology pls.

>>7450795

>transportation
>suicide tier

Literally the service making everything possible.

>Chemistry
>God tier

>Culinary
>Meh tier

>>7451110

>Implying you need a specific degree to get into a certain sector/industry.

All the three listed degrees are fine. Just choose whatever you're most interested in.

You can always get a masters degree in the future.

>>7451119
But why would you spend 4 years of college studying "transportation", when you could study math, physics, and some logistics courses, and be better off?

>>7451093
While I tend to agree software engineering isn't all too great (though CS as a whole is): what is your major? Fucking NEET.

Man, this shit is stupid.

>>7451110
If you want to launch rockets, I'd say go for mechanical. Physics is fine but you want to get hands on experience and maybe an internship in a related field during undergrad, hard to do there. Aerospace is fine but in case you realize you don't want to do this after an internship or something (so, later on in your undergrad) you don't want to be pigeonholed into one industry. Those degrees are all good, but to do the really intense cool shit you'll probably want to get a Master's anyway.

>>7450795
>computer eng in top tier
>math, physics and chemistry below shitty engineers
>PROGRAMMING, FUCKING PROGRAMMING on god tier

stopped reading, fuck yourself

>>7451124

I agree with what you just said.

Seeing as logistics was not part of the list, I assumed 'transportation' included logistics.

FYI, I'm studying international logistics management.

>>7451130
Neat, is there a higher res version of this somewhere?

>foreign languages
>suicide tier

Have fun using body language to communicate with foreign people that don't speak english.

>>7451125
Based CE major over at Georgia Tech, faggot. Nice ad hominem retort. You really showed me.

CS is a shit major. The idea is sound: a lot of theory, math and logistics; but the real system is flawed. CS Professors either don't know jack shit about CS, are from some foreign country with an awful accent, or sometimes both. There are very VERY few cool CS professors that know their shit.

On top of all that, when you get out of college, getting a programming job at a good company is impossible if you didn't get any internships or start an impressive portfolio in college. Someone who took a 1 month programming course online could probably out-code you. Not like it matters though, since starting CS pay straight outta college is closer to 40-50k.

>>7451164
>CS Professors either don't know jack shit about CS, are from some foreign country with an awful accent, or sometimes both. There are very VERY few cool CS professors that know their shit.

Seems more like a school problem. My college, admittedly a smaller school with large endowment, was completely fine. The only foreign professor was some Indian guy who lived in the states most of his life.

>>7451164
>On top of all that, when you get out of college, getting a programming job at a good company is impossible if you didn't get any internships or start an impressive portfolio in college. Someone who took a 1 month programming course online could probably out-code you. Not like it matters though, since starting CS pay straight outta college is closer to 40-50k.

Yet it still manages to be, at least statistically, one of the most employable and profitable undergrad majors. Hmmmm.

>>7450795
>medicine not in unbelievable tier
You'll literally never be out of a job and will always have a high salary because they purposely create a shortage of doctors

Maybe job wise, my brother went through vetinary school though and I'll tell you, it's harder to get into vet school than med school so I'd say academically that's one of the hardest.

Is econ the most underrated major?

>>7451234
Is your bro Canadian

>>7450795
>astronomy and astrophysics split up

>>7451227
also because you have to be unbelievably retarded to want to be a lawyer

>>7451237
maybe but we're on /sci/ so econ's lack of rigor is a no-no here

>>7451238
No american . There are like 5 vet schools in the country and hundreds of med schools.

>>7451257
Rigor =/= quality

>any kind of engineering
>anywhere but shit tier

>>7451243
>biology and microbiology split up

Linguistics is a great pure science.

Move statistics down to jewology tier

>>7450795
My major is in the highest tier.

Extremely accurate list/10.

Why is Actuarial science not at LEAST god tier. some god damn high paying jobs for that

>>7450833
>>7450836
It's petroleum engineering. It's like chemical engineering, but focused on oil refinement, polymers etc.

>>7450795
> aero
> unbelieveable
uhh you mean unbelieivelably bad for employment, usefulness to market, salary and environment?
> physics
> god
I think you might be a bit deluded.

I just noticed this thing has "computer programming" in god-tier.

No, fuck you, a 30kpa earning code monkey is more suicide tier then military.

>>7450984
We can't add all these interdisciplinere meme degrees, just add MechE and EE and divide it by half to find your tier.

>>7451021
English is right between sociology and history, there's a \ missing.

>>7451097
Agreed.

>>7451227
This, medicine should be in the highest tier, especially if we're talking about the states, nothing beats it in terms of employment prospects and (base) salary.

>>7451234
It might be harder to get in, but it's harder to get a good job in afterwards.

>>7451577
Because playing around with other people's wealth isn't all that useful compared to creating wealth, /sci/ loves the latter more.

Though yes it should be switched with vanilla mathematics in OP's criteria.

>Law equal to Law Enforcement

That's like saying the cerebral cortex is as intelligent as the cells it's made up of.

>>7450795

Delusions the chart.

>>7451603
>>7451601
Look at the chart criteria, it's perfectly accurate, law is oversaturated as fuck. You'll legitimately find better employment prospects in law enforcement.

>>7451606
>computer programming
>god tier

>>7451606
> physics
> aero
not oversaturated

You can work in anatomy. The Fuck?
This might be the most deluded chart I've ever seen.

>>7451610
Aero hasn't been oversaturated for years, are you living under a rock?

You didn't know anatomy is a degree? I don't think you should be commenting on chart quality.

>>7451615
> didn't know anatomy is a degree
I didn't say that dumbass.

aero has always been a cyclic industry.
it's definitely not a top one.

>>7451621
It makes up for occasional oversaturation with high salaries and usefulness. It is in the correct tier. None of those in god-tier except medicine has better prospects in any case.

why are the americans on this board so up their own asses when they go to these shitty universities

it's like watching mentally disabled people attacking the blind

>>7451631
>Implying I'm American.

>>7450795
Erm, according to this an Actuary which is heavily statistically based would only be ranked around good/meh?

In terms of employment, usefulness to market, salary and environment they consistently score at the top if not then a rank or so below thereafter.

So no, I don't agree.

What engineering field should one enter if one want to eventually start developing heavy weapon systems(missiles etc.)? I'm guessing control engineering would be one possible field

Why don't we just make a bunch of different charts which rank degrees according to different conditions such as starting pay, employability and entrance requirements.

Any other type of ranking is silly and egotistical. The fact that you decided to do a STEM degree does not automatically make you a better person than a person who did a liberal arts degree.

>>7451708
>The fact that you decided to do a STEM degree does not automatically make you a better person than a person who did a liberal arts degree.
It most certainly does.

>>7450795
>mechanical engineering is le god tier stem but the only job you're going to get is going to be repairing factory equipment

>architecture is meh tier even though it blends engineering, science, and art, and you can get a job in any big city

>>7450795
*jobs are rated by employment, usefullness to market, salary and environment"

>medicine
not in top tier.

>stable income
>high social status
>9-5 hours
>good environment in general practice


really.

>>7451149
Jesus Christ, I'm learning a foreign language at University and even I think your post is retarded

>>7450795
What is this a tier chart of? Best at sucking dick?

Hows environmental chemistry? Currently doing Inorganic synthesis as my honors project thinking of doing something with a environmental focus for masters

>>7451832
> medicine
> 9-5 hours
I take it you haven't done your residency yet.

>>7451832
>9-5 hours
>good environment in general practice

No. In fact that's probably the main reason it isn't highest tier.

>>7451832
1 and 2 yes, 3 and 4 only if you're lucky. My dad was, and so he had the pleasure of working decent hours and enjoying his work sometimes. But he's told me that housemanship was ridiculous and the doctors had really tough times handling emergencies so you gotta at least struggle through that before you can live the cushy GP life.

Why the fuck is geophysics in two tiers at once?!

>>7450795
Petrol, Chem, Comp Eng... KEK

>>7451949
BA vs BS

>>7451054

>Geophysicists are better, make more money, and actually contribute science, Where Geologists are mouth-breathers
>I disagree

And you would because it feels right. Whereas I could prove it definitively.

To begin, we make more. And, it's a much tougher major. You only have to finish calc II, we do multi-var / vector analysis along with higher level physics (calc-based isn't even required for you).

We don't look at rocks and "guess" what the frak is going on. We apply empirical scientific methods.

Also, we don't waste time naming a bunch of shit and memorizing it like it matters when it's all written down and easily referenced elsewhere. We spend that time making money money money!

Also, tons of GP majors end up continuing into astro / theoretical physics.

Geologists look at rocks, and color - all day long.

In exactly 16 days I will be starting my bachelor studies in Chemistry in Uppsala. Never felt so nervous about studying in my life. I am the most nervous abot the structure and organization of my studies.
Do you guys have any tips on how to properly organize and prioritise?

>>7452095
You'll be fine, it really depends on you and the style of teaching of your professors. Just ask the professor.

>>7452105
Will absolutely have to do that. Man, I really have to succeed in this.

>>7452095
>properly organize and prioritise
nobody is expected to be able to do this first year. except a lot of hand holding. unless you're retarded, you shouldn't have a problem

>>7452095
Just make sure you're always on top of the material. When you fall behind on schedule it's a struggle to catch up. Set deadlines for yourself in addition to those already present for your courses and read ahead before lectures so you won't be completely caught by surprise when faced with new information.

>>7450961
>CS being god tier
>Aerospace engineering unbelievable tier
Kill. Yourself.

>>7452138
>falling for troll images

Damn I'm going into my freshman year as a marketing major... Is it really that bad?

Mathematics is the basis for all sciences. So if you study applied math you should be able to problem solve and figure out any problem. Combine math and physics and your pretty much unstoppable.

Which is more interesting to study:
chemical engineering or electrical engineering?

>>7452173
Chemical. But it really comes down to what you personally find interesting.

>>7452144
>marketing major
lel

>>7451054
>As a geology major I disagree
Of course you would, but you are objectively wrong.

>>7452164
No way you can cover math, applied math and physics in 4-5 years though.

>>7452179
wha't the main focus of chemE vs EE?

>>7452144
> Is it really that bad?
hahaha, oh wow.

For the record, yes, you would almost definitely be better off doing trade school.

>>7452164
The problem with this kind of thinking is that you don't realize everyone studies the applied math, a Physics major will do the applied math in his field in far more detail than you while also picking up the skills and training needed to be actually become a physicists.

If you want to be a physicists it's far better to study physics and then math in your spare time if you feel you need it (you rarely will), rather than majoring in math then playing catch up.

>>7452173
>>7452193

Alchemist class vs Wizard class with storm spec, take your pic.

>>7451110
Go to reddit or 9fag you summerfag
> launch rockets and space shit...
Wtf?

>>7450795
Depends on what you measure. If you're talking about interesting jobs and working on the cuting edge, sure. When it comes to making the most of yourself I think it's totally different.

Sometimes I forgot how all this "smart" people gather around measuring eachothers cock seeing who has it bigger. Funny thing is, the very seed of rational thinking began in philosophy, Socrates and Plato.
It doesn't really matter what you study, if you love what you do, you'll be rich both in money and joy.
So please, if you believe yourself better than anyone because what you study is harder, sit and think about it.

>>7451164
>company is impossible if you didn't get any internships or start an impressive portfolio in college
Which everybody does, and when they leave college they have dozens of job offers lined up in the 60-70k range.

>>7452286
>what you study, if you love what you do, you'll be rich both in money and joy.
Fuck off.

>>7450811
Using that logic, computer science is shit because we get shit programmers who couldn't handle physics/mechanical engineering at my university.

>>7452286
>It doesn't really matter what you study, if you love what you do, you'll be rich both in money and joy.
Not really, if you study feminism you will be poor and bitter.

>>7450829
Who else is going to find aliens?

>business management above ecology
nice try m8 nearly had me there

>>7452376
I think art being above ecology is worse.

I was a chemistry major for most of my time in school but I've hit several road-blocks that have made school very frustrating. I've hit too many pre-req roadblocks along the way and was only able to go part-time for the past couple years. Well this semester, they aren't offering Organic Chem II so I've just about had it. Wanted a STEM degree and I do like chemistry but I'm going to be 30 by the time I get my bachelors and that isn't going to work out for me. I've never failed a chem course but I had a late start on the pure maths.
I had to start at middle-school math my first year all the way up to pre-cal level last year but I've failed a couple of them due to depression and anxiety being over-bearing at critical times (some instructors were just awful) and a couple semesters I only was able to take 1/4 classes. I know I can pass the math if I buckled down on them but I don't have time for that at this point and I know by now I'm going to have to repeat one because I just barely missed the C threshold.

I don't know what to major in but I've got to find out soon before this semester starts. Nothing else really strikes me as particularly interesting except shit-tier majors like poli sci/history and Biology or econ.

>>7452376
Business degrees are literally the original meme degrees.

Pic related, everyone and their mum has a business degree.

>>7452399
THANKS SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, I SURE DO LOVE GRAPHS

>>7452394
Cool story bro.

>>7452406
Yeah, that presentation of that data is a travesty. For fuck's sake use a line graph.

>>7452409
>>7452406

Any other presentation would look like because of the collosal business stack fucking up the scale normalization.

>>7450795
Yeah, I'd go with this one.

>>7452413
If business is the only problem then it can have a scale break or be put on another graph. No need to break one graph into 20.

>>7450840
>UTex

TRIGGERED

>>7452138
Hey guy i found Elon Musk lel :P xDDDD

This whole thread makes memsad because I fell for the "do what you think is interesting and you'll be okay".
I should have gotten a STEM education, but no I decided to do foreign language.

>>7450795

Finally a trolling image that remembers nuclear engineering exists.

>>7452869
fuck this thread do what you like and stop taking anonymous teenagers tell you what is good

>>7451021
It's under shit tier. Whole lot of good that lit degree did for your reading comprehension.

>>7451097
Calm your shit. It's a joke dude.

>>7451137
Maybe should've kept reading.
> Dumbass
Jobs rated by usefulness to the market and usefulness to the market. Literally every job in the next 20 years needs it.
> Kill yourself

>>7451227
Seconded.

>>7451243
Ugh, yeah, as it should be. Astronomy is to astrophysics what programming is to computer science.

>>7451579
Aerospace engineering grad here. 75k annually fresh out.

>>7450795
Data sci is not on, stats should be at the top. with AI, Compsci dominates the rest, engy is overrated (it is actually surprisingly small, a mathematical degree with compsci, PHD physics, acsi or medical specialization would dominate any one of them), Art and forestry creates things none of the sciences can compete with (it leaves a better world), so it should not be on the list and if it is, it could be equivalent to mathematics (it also has no real direct world application). With pure math or astrophysics, you won’t get a job. Geophysics is mentioned twice (good and god tier). Psychology as a field (not an undergraduate degree), should also be under great tier (it creates a functioning society and it tries to make a scientific attempt to understand the human mind and the potential for expansion (computer integration) on a potential level close to medical, plus it is very employable. Law and nursing is useful, but long hours, bad working conditions and awful people you have to work with. Not biology, bio tech. biology is about worse than ecology. Economics is mildly above philosofy (in terms of average, if you only take the top, then film art should also be in the great tier)

>>7452972
What college? I'll be doing UW, might do an internship with Boeing or something similar

>>7451237
>>7451257
There is a bias on /sci/ against econ because there are very few, if any, econ grad students on /sci/ which is why you see bullshit posts like "econ has no rigor." You cannot compare economics undergrad and economics grad school; it's like night and day. A person with a master's or PhD in economics has an extremely strong mathematics background

What about nanotech? I'm going to start this career next year and I'm unsecure about it.

>>7452980
babby freshman spotted

>>7450795
I'm disappointed that Mechatronics Engineering isn't represented here.

>>7452989
Michigan.
UW's legit, you'll be fine. Do you live there? Have you heard any insider news re SpaceX's satellite group?

>>7453026
I don't live in Seattle yet no. I live about 2 hours south of it in a small town atm, doing 2 years at community college then transferring. As to the SpaceX thing, no I haven't

>>7452898
>teenagers are telling me to be unemployed for 3 years

>>7450795
No major complaints.

>>7451896
Anyone ?

>>7450795
electrical engineer here

its not unbelievable

>>7453183
y not

>>7452394
Good luck, buddy. Remember, you can always do something you love in your spare time.

>>7452399
>Only 6k chemE degrees awarded in '09
People don't like designing the processes make high quality dildos?

>>7453733
>People don't like designing the processes make high quality dildos?
What's more of a failure, your joke or your schoolteachers?

>>7453741
WhAt do chemical engineers do. The only ones I know work at natural gas plants and DuPont. That seems so fucking depressing

>>7450795
>Unbelievable tier
>Unbelievably gay tier

Ftfy

>>7451054
Geochemistry is better than both

t. biased geochemist

>>7453733
I'd wager that working in a dildo factory would be pretty chill.

Also, ChemE does things like materials research, pharmaceutical production, bioreactors (muh brewing), process design, plain old Chemistry, and generally being badass.

>>7453803
electrical engineering is better though

>>7453816
>implying both aren't too amazing to compare to each other
Making medicine that can save millions of lives and new materials that allow new technology to exist is pretty top-tier in my opinion.

>>7452173

chemical has qt smart girls, plus you can always jump into the oil industry right out off school to quickly pay off debts

>>7453816

chem e in the pharmaceutical industry literally crushes ee in terms of everything

Why does everyone shit on history and political science? Literally the only two social sciences that currently have a shadow of a claim to rigour.

>>7453938
> a shadow of claim

GOD tier
Mechatronics(robotics), Nuclear, Petrol, Arospace, Chemical and Medicine.

Good tier
Every other STEM

Shit tier
Everything else.

>>7454138
i study automatics&robotics, does it place me in GOD tier

>>7453938
People shit on poli sci because it has the word "science". For whatever reason, /sci/ seems to think political scientists all got together and decided to name it that for credibility. It's almost like people here take it personally that the word "science" is in it. In my experience, poli sci is the least susceptible to political bias because it's so acutely aware of political bias when it pops up.

>>7454138
>EE not in god tier
Faget

>>7453926
Why do all the girls study ChemE

>>7451234
>>7451258

is being a vet that bad
large animals/livestock animal vet

>biology great tier

>microbiology good tier

Guys im taking Calc2, Second year of general chem and physics-classical mechanics this semester. Its do-able, right?

>>7454942
yes

I'm by no means good at math, but I managed a B in Calc2 honors

>>7454951
What were your other classes?

>>7454951
I guess I should mention I'm a microbio major taking ochem as well as molecular bio

>>7451908
maybe he opens his own clinic and does 9-5
but docs in hospitals are fucking work horses
work horses who gets fed gold nuggets

>>7452399
is there one where math and stats are separated?

>>7454955
im starting molecular biology next month (bsc) and one of the masters is microbiology, but I also love ochem. what kind of jobs can you get with those?

i should mention im in europe and shit works differently than in america, i guess

>>7454867
As long a you learn how to replace people's job.

>>7451816
"You can get a job"

Stop. Everyone knows architects have like the highest unemployment

>>7450795
>Jobs are rated by employment, usefulness to market, salary, work
>chemistry

I'm a chemistry major and I can tell you this field is going to shit. If you can't get employed your salary, usefulness, and work environment doesn't matter.

>>7451110
Depends on what you want to do and what country you are from. If you are from America and you would like to Engineering in the future, stick with a B.Eng or B.S.Eng simply because they are ABET accredited and in 95% of states, you cannot earn a Professional Engineer certification if you do not have a bachelors degree in an engineering discipline.

>>7455168
>tfw chemical engineering master race
>tfw everyone I know has gotten jobs easily, even with the oil market turning

Feels good
Pure chem guys needing a PhD to be useful.
Petroleum is flavor of the month tier. People thought it was the key to riches 4 years ago, now students are fleeing their programs.

>>7452286
I will agree that philosophy takes a lot of complex thought, but the criteria for what places a study in one tier or another is clearly listed at the bottom of the chart. Philosophy is not employable and not well paying.

>>7450795
>major in IT
>Minor in CS
>Average into Great

I'm cool with this.

Where would you put bionics engineering?

>>7454998
wish I could give you a good answer, but alas I'm only an undergrad

I've applied it in research and made some money, but nothing major

>>7452173
ChemE here. I'll give you my take on it.

EE covers everything from circuits, signals, control systems, computer science and computer engineering. You'll learn a lot of really hard math. At my school, EE students take more math courses than engineering courses. The job outlook is good. Every tech company needs a EE for something, so there's a large number of companies hiring. College career fairs these days are saturated with companies looking for CS/CE/EE people.

ChemE covers pretty much everything related to chemicals. Your standard uni program will teach you basic chem classes (org/phys/analytical/inorg), but then drop chemistry almost entirely. You'll focus on kinetics, thermodynamics, mass/heat transfer, process/plant design. You get trained for the chemical/manufacturing industry.

But, depending on the classes you add in, you can end up pretty much anywhere as a chemE. A few bio classes and you can work in biotech, bioprocessing and medicine. Get into materials science and you can work in metallurgy, composites/aerospace, advanced materials. Also semiconductors, which can get you into any part of computer hardware engineering and manufacturing.

Also the oil industry, either upstream or downstream. Go more on the math side and you can get into modeling and heavy computation programming. Surface chemistry, catalysis, polymers. Basically a whole lot of shit, depending on where you steer yourself.

>>7450831
This guy

>>7455196
I'm considering Just doing a masters in ChemE once I finish my last year coming up. I've emailed professors at other schools who said they would happily take me into their program alongside other ChemE undergrads, I would just need to take remedial courses in engi.

The problem is even PhDs in chem are getting shit on. Take a gander at any of the organic chemistry threads on /sci/ (which are what 70% or so of chem majors want to do for a living) and you'll see they have no plans for a job. All they can do is hope and pray that there will be something once they finish their dissertation. Your PhD thesis on organometallics? Boring. If you didn't do total synthesis (an incredibly competitive, frustrating, and long PhD) you aren't even going to be considered for a synthesis job, most chemists dream. Not to mention a lot of organic is being outsourced to India and China now. Jesus Christ. If I knew there were jobs in chem, I'd gladly stay, but I'm not doing a 5+ year PhD because I like it only to find that the party is over for the rest of my life afterward. I'm not making the mistake of going into a no jobs field.

>>7455251
I think people getting PhDs in chemistry because they like it without thinking beyond the PhD is part of the problem.

No joke I've seen a number of PhD defenses for synthesis where the candidate starts getting grilled on why they synthesized the chemical they did, what it's useful for, etc. And the guy will just say something like "I dunno I just like it".

>>7455226
do you think there's any use for someone who majored in chemical engineering and minored in electrical engineering for a bachelors?

What would you do with a philosophy degree?

>>7455265
In the committees defense that's a big part of it. If you don't have the foresight to decide why you should spend your PhD making something, perhaps you shouldn't have wasted that time. If it's a compound that has no practical application, it should at least be proof that a technique you used to synthesize it worked, in which case it is a useful demonstration of some interesting chem.

Though it is sad that the passion is being sucked out of it. It greatly upsets me that I have to be pragmatic and weigh job opportunities against what I like to do. That's exactly what professors will tell aspiring grad students NOT to do.

It doesn't help that chemistry is fading. Do I think it will go away completely? No. But it's definitely declining at the moment. It costs ~1.5 billion to develop a new drug from scratch that may or may not work. Why waste that money when a professor will be more than willing to study that synthesis independently for himself? Technologies that don't require require propellants like rocket fuels and gasoline will eventually be possible (let's avoid EM drive shitposting though). Not to mention small molecule drugs can only do so much. We are moving into an era of personalized medicine, epigenetics, and biochem as far as med chem goes.

>>7455271
>U
>>7455308

in light of this, maybe major in electrical and minor in chemical.

i kinda just want to make drugs and explosives with the chemistry education, and make musical devices and shit with the electrical degree, as well as get a better job, i already have my welding cert and work in a steel fab shop. its a shitty job though. i spend my free time working wood, saving up to work metals.

not sure what kind of degree i want, but i think electrical engineering is the best.

>>7455316
>maybe major in electrical and minor in chemical

In terms of relevance, I don't think it matters either way. Sure, computers and electricity is on the forefront of tech, but it's not like food, paper, gasoline, pills, etc are going to go away in our lifetime. That and I don't think the laws of flow rates, thermodynamics, and materials are going anywhere unless we are planning on ascending beyond our physical form. Any current research in that field?

>>7455364
to be clear, i don't want a job researching shit, i want to be tasked with making sure that processes go the way they're supposed to and produce a high quality product. i just want to help make quality product.

like, i'd be much happier just being told to make X table, and develop a system for making it really quickly and accurately. kick ass tables. best table you ever seen. except with electronics i guess, i'm not artistic enough with wood to make a living doing woodwork.

i guess electricians are the only people that fuck with break boxes and transformers n shit at businesses though, so i can at least get decent pay for doing stuff like that.

How much a demmand is there for chemists around water quality and heavy metal contamination?

>>7455383
That sounds like engineering to me, only instead of "make this", you're more given an order to make something happen. The person telling you what they want rarely understands WHAT they want if that makes sense.

>>7455392
Chemists are in low demand. If you find a job, it will most likely be in QA/QC which is pretty much dead end at around $50k - $60k annually. I suppose it's not about money for everyone, but I have a lot of shit on my shoulders as far as taking care of a widowed parent and providing for myself and significant other.

>>7455396
what area are you in?

>>7455394

so, like is that what mechanical engineering does? or industrial engineering? i like solving problems and making things well. i also like systems. and processes. i fucking love processing.

bumpwss

>>7455446
Why did you bump somthing that is still very close to the top?

>>7455449
how fucking slow is this board anyways

Why is Electrical Engineering the most respected Engineering?

>>7455271
>>7455316
Major chemical minor electrical is a good way to get working for a semiconductor company. Companies like Intel, Micron, etc usually hire more chemEs than EEs. The EE side is circuit design and whatnot. The chemE side is figuring out how to actually make the chips, what materials to use, how to scale up, etc.

Also, chemE has a very different job market than chem, so don't worry about that >>7455308 is talking about.

Also on that note, don't do chemE if you're expecting straight chemistry. It's a lot more process and large scale stuff.

>>7455471

that sounds cool. so an entry level position for chemE+EE would be like, manufacturing chips and computer componenets? there's texas instruments and raytheon in the local area.

yeah, i really wouldn't take pure sciences. i'm not the guy to invent a new chemical or math equation or something, but i'm great at optimizing and scaling things up.

>>7455308
Medical drugs are hardly the only applied use of chemistry

Going to be switching my major to Geology from Chemistry. What am I in for?

>>7455491
my uncle is a geologist. he works for a limestone company. he tells them stuff about the ground.

>>7450795
oh god, i remember seeing this image years ago and i uploaded it to my facebook, i didnt see the military option on the very bottom. i caught hell for that from my peers top kek lot of butt hurt that day

>>7454881

I... don't know

But I'm sure any chem e's here can confirm

>>7450795
For the science board I would expect that to have some sources

>>7455471

You won't get hired for a large company like that with a major/minor

Do ee or comp e undergrad, and do grad school in a chem e/materials topic

Where does environment eng. lie in this section of tiers ?? Transferring from geo eng to environment eng. soon

>>7452322
>everybody

Bullshit. Most of the CS peers I talked to that are 3rd year in a Florida State school don't even have a github, and only half have done internships.

>>7455491
What are you going tobe doing with geology?

A good background in inorganic chemistry will only help with exploration geology

>>7454893
if you're a run of the mill dog and cat vet, then you're not going to make much. I think the vets that deal with big commercial farms or have their own practice in a wealthy area are the only ones who make a lot.

>>7450795
>military
>bottom

is this a meme or something?
Average IQ of high level military is 150 and up.


Most of the Jobs at the top require corporate dick sucking.
but no one on 4chan would know.

>>7455651

>What are you going tobe doing with geology?

I don't know for certain but I am strongly leaning towards energy. I already live where the oil is at (Texas) so I wouldn't have to move. That was what I was originally intending with chem anyway but it seems like a hopeless dead-end. Plus Geology sounds really fun with those outdoor field trips.

>>7455690
You should try and go into exploration geochemistry

>>7455479
Yeah, there are process engineers who both design and operate wafer fabrication systems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm67wbB5GmI

>>7450811
Huh, and here I thought I picked mech egr because even tho it pays less than chem or electric engineering, spending my days ripping machines apart and getting my hands dirty every now and then just sounded fun and worth the pay cut. You kno, actually enjoying my job instead of feeling like a wage slave.

If you guys really want an argument that civil and mech should be God tier: usefulness to society.
I mean sewage is just #1. Any doctor will agree that saves more lives a year than all hospitals combined.
Almost everything mech or civil does is at the heart of a working civilization, from your basic infrastructure, to manufacturing, to transportation, to farming 100 tons of wheat a day instead of 10, etc etc etc
Those professions have been around for millennia
Chem/electric/nuclear/computer/etc are just recent luxuries.
Tho grid electric engineers are probably just as vital these days.

I'm not arguing mech or civil is harder. I know. My roommate was electrical egr. Fuck all that. I just hope all that extra money (+20k/yr?) makes up for entering a profession that has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.
My argument is your guidelines for selection are arbitrary, and overlook how important or more needed one field is than another.

>>7455723

electrical engineers commit suicide alot?

>>7455723

Don't listen to most of the the people here, they're just kids who don't what they're talking about as evident by the all the asking of what they should major in, seriously if you can't read up on majors at your uni's website and make a decision yourself instead of asking on a childrens chinese cartoon image board, you're not gonna get very far

Anyone who has studied stem will have tremendous respect for, and know about the importance of each profession, pay difference doesn't matter much as most eng's move into management after around 10 years and the pay evens out

Advice to the kiddos browsing this, pick something you enjoy, because you'll end up going much further with it then with something you hate

>>7450795
HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO PUT MARKETING ABOVE PHILOSOPHY?!
Philosophy is seriously underrated. If you agree with this placement then you are an illiterate cocklord.
You need to have a deep understanding of the implications of scimath and I honestly think you have not read some of the more applicable philosophy. Its intense logical thinking.. HOW IS THAT WORSE THAN COLLEGE EDUCATION?!

>>7450795
sociology english, that's a new one.

>>7455723
Mate you sound like a right retard

Fucking check yourself

After my first year of uni I'll have to pick between
>eco-engineering
>mechanical engineering
>construction engineering

Mech is for cucks, eco-eng is for women and tbh I like construction engineering the most. Mech would obv give me more opportunities later on but I hate learning about wires and circuits and shit.

>>7455507
best post in thread

>>7455491
hey friend, im an environmental geologist. Just working on a phase 1 ATM. u'll have fun

>>7450795
The fuck is wrong with Aviation?

>>7452084
i did geology undergrad and geophysics masters. I liked geology tbh, but geophysics MS got me a good job

>>7450795
first of all, everybody knows that physics > engineering, but if this chart is to be taken as truth, (which it is not) then shouldn't mechanical engineering be unbelievable?

>>7455860
Because philo is useless. Read it if you like but its a worthless degree.

>everything STEM is good
>everything else is bad
Nice.
Great charts guys.

Anyways, what should I concentrate my app. Math degree in? I can still pick the full range. But I only really have a passion for economics and socioeconomics and CSE sounds awful seeing as the vast majority of time spent is in front of a computer.

>>7457108
>everybody knows that physics > engineering
lmao

>>7452253
>using a pic not related image
>Telling somebody else to go back to reddit or 9fag
haha

>>7450795
As someone debating between Geology and Computer Programming, yup I agree. Maybe Petroleum Engineering, but I'm not totally sure if I want to find oil, or drill for oil.

>>7455860
If you have good critical thinking skill, why did you pick a stupid major?

TFW Agriculture Technology and Plant science double major. Not sure where I fall in this.

>>7457276
Geologists have a higher job satisfaction

>>7458695
true

>>7450843
Why isn't theology in the suicide teir?

>>7451139
It's taking five minutes to dl this version!

>>7450795
Why isn't theology the highest tier, only through it can we know with 100% certainty how we were created.

>Dual God Tier majors
I feel a slight urge to say "yes" just to feel good about myself.

>>7451893
No, otherwise I'm proof that CS/Math should be in unbelievably tier.

>>7450795
>Computer programming made it to god tier
aw yiss

>>7450795
I love how in these lists the uppermost tier always does not fit to the rest and it is almost always solely engineering. And if it is not an own tier, then you can see how engineering got added manually to the highest tier (usually with a low-tier color, implying cut/paste from shit tier).
Just look at it. First of all, it's "tier", whereas in the others it's always "Tier", then the horizontal line has more space to the tier below than the others.
It is so obvious that the original list did not feature this "Unbelievable tier" and some butthurt engineer added it himself. Why do engineers always need to seek validation and shit on others? I rarely see non-engineers do that.

>>7458695
>>7459152
Awesome! Well, definitely going for Geology then.

>>7451107
Not only that, but Aero is in 'unbelievable' when it's virtually the same thing as Mech.

>>7460952
OP made this you moron, you are way too paranoid about a single typo, there's shit tons of typos in the rest of the pic.

>I rarely see non-engineers do that.
You obviously don't browse /sci/ or /biz/, you cuck.

>>7450795
>College teaching
>Just good

So learning physics is god tier, teaching is just good. Okay anon.

>>7451581
>just add MechE and EE and divide it by half
>divide it by half
triggered

>>7450795

What is the methodology used in creating this hierarchy?

What data sources were used?

>>7455723
You shouldnt be ripping machines apart. Thats what a mechanic does. You should be designing them and to some extent over seeing someone else rip them apart.
Dumb ass

>>7462325
This is a great point. College professor of almost anything with tenure is a great job

>>7462567
Personal bias and perceptions duh

>>7462042
Similar, but virtually the same is a stretch. Aero has a much larger focus on fluids/fluid flow. Aircraft/missile/spacecraft dynamics and control theory are probably omitted entirely in ME. The professors' research will differ significantly as well between the two departments.

Should vocational tests help you pick a field?

>>7450795
What are the criteria of your Tier system? For example, one of your "shit tier" degrees is high school-education. How will society function without shit-tier (sic) educators teaching young minds to aspire to....(presumably) higher tiers?

>>7463017
Probably, it means "shit tier" in case you don't study a university degree.

>>7450795
>Thinking of going into chemical engineering over chemistry because I enjoy theory.
Help change my mind /sci/

Seeing as my quest is semi related to this thread.
I love astrophysics and I'm going to finish my bs in physics this year, but I'm at a crossroads as astrophysics is my dream career, but astronomers make more money and have an easier time seeking employment. I'm unsure of what the job market will look like in nearly a decade but I wouldn't like to be an insolvent PhD.
Wat do.

Highest tier: Anything you enjoy

>>7462944
>>>7455723
>You shouldnt be ripping machines apart. Thats what a mechanic does. You should be designing them and to some extent over seeing someone else rip them apart.
>Dumb ass
>>7462944
Except being able to do any of those things is actually an asset, if you can do any of that then you have a better time getting along with the people you're overseeing and therefore makes you more likeable at the workplace. If you seriously can't do it because you think it's below you then you're just being a slave wage rofl.

Would you really employ a math B.Sc/M.Sc or physics graduate?

>>7464145
Cheap code monkey support.

What jobs can you get with a physics degree ?
Thinking of studying physics

>>7464162
You can be Elon Musk

>>7464162
Literally none

>>7464162
Chancellor of Europe

>>7455540
Can confirm, girls are big into ChemE and BioMed

Is pursuing a physics degree very hard? I feel like i could do it but im not confident in my math skills... any help?

>>7450795
Is CompSci with a Math minor even good? Like I know I'll make money but will I hate my job?

I'm thinking of switching to something with more programming. I like programming a lot and I thought CompSci would have a lot of it but it doesn't.

>>7465020
physics is playing around with math to predict and model real world shit. You need to be confident with math.

> Be Bachelors of EE
> Employed as Naval Combat Systems Engineering Officer aboard guided missile frigate, in charge of about 30 technicians

> Simultaneously Unbelievable Tier and Suicide Tier

>>7465055
Why don't you work for Raytheon or some other defense contractors if you're interested in weaponry?

>>7465066

Once my current contract is up I'm gonna put in for them to pay for my Master's EE, then serve out that time.

After that, I'll farm around offers (for civilian jobs) around contract renewal time. Gotta say though, the 25 days of vacation per year and "free" visits all over west Asia is nice.

Originally signed up so I wouldn't be drowning in student loans.

>>7465072

Yeah I definitely meant east Asia.

>>7450843
fuck off, archaeology is not that low