/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7446868
>which obviously follows
>it is easy to see that
>clearly
>left as an exercise for the reader

Repeat 10x per chapter

>>7446868
>be 17 years old
>find this book in Uncle's house
>start flipping through
>learn limits of functions
>begin to understand differential equations
>much better than school teacher
>decide to steal book
>put in big cargo pocket (this was 90s)
>tell uncle my mum called and have to go
>pass him on the way out
>nonethewiser.jif
>walk out the door, almost to car
>aunt is coming home, waves to me
>she gets out
>she gets closer, I see that she's naked
>she grabs the bulge in my pants
>spaghetti falls out of pocket along with book
>start crying
>run to my potato and drive home
>haven't talked to them since

>>7446872
Most of the time this kind of stuff is a cue to do some routine calculations to make sure you're really getting the material. But Rudin is particularly egregious in this respect, and it doesn't help that many of the techniques and ideas in the proofs come out of left field and are mostly unmotivated.

I hate mathematics books in general. The author literally just copies and pastes theorems and proofs and then charges $300 for the book. Fuck this, nobody can afford this overpriced bullshit as an undergraduate. Just read lecture notes instead.

>>7446868
After the chapter on sequences of functions, I think it was 7.

>>7446882
You could always just pirate them.

>>7446888
The violation of intellectual property rights is heresy

>>7446882
There are good books with interesting problems, challenging problems and really great extra/complementary material. But if you just need to remember some shit you forgot, those types of books are far better for it. I mean, my chemistry teacher always had a book and she said it was her bible, but never recomended us to use it for learning.

I used it to introduce myself to analysis. It was frustrating, to say the least. You have to actually care about math to put up with it, but if you do the struggle happens to be the right kind of struggle to make you a better mathematician.

If you having problems with this basic calculus text you don't belong on /sci/ tbh

C-chapter 1 ;_;

I'm thinking about picking it back up. The reason I dropped it, though, was because I couldn't complete a number of that chapter's exercises (yes, I'm a pleb). In all seriousness, what should I do in those situations? Is it usual not to be able to complete all of those problems?

>>7447412
Learn to prove theorems first, any of those proof books, then go back to it.

>>7446868
I honestly don't know, the opinion on it turned a full 180 for some reason.

Chapter 2
I realized that learning general topology through Munkres was easier, more fun and enlightening even though it's a harder subject.
Rudin makes easy stuff look hard.

>>7447421
It's the same thing with how /sci/ once looked down on engineers and now the board is just engineers talking shit about everyone else. All of the boards have been doing this, e.g. ITAOTS gets nothing but shit on /mu/ now, when it even gets discussed.

>>7447617
>It's the same thing with how /sci/ once looked down on engineers and now the board is just engineers talking shit about everyone else.

That's not true at all, I've been here since 2010 and the opinion hasn't changed at all, it's only during summers when reddit-tier high-school brats come here who watched Cosmos for the first time that people think Physics is a prestigious major.

>>7447628
>That's not true at all

But it is you faggot.

>>7447628
Summer is ending. Can the 'Engineering vs Pure' stuff end? Just let everyone go about doing their thing and let's all collectively hate on Philosophy instead.

>>7447635
>>7447643
>>7447617

what are you talking about? we still shit on engineers a lot.

in other news, you don't drop rudin. it's a great reference book on analysis, id even call it bad for a first course

>>7447635
No it's not and you didn't come here until 2013.

>>7447643
The
>the 'Engineering vs Pure' stuff
is literally all summerfags. Every decent thread like research/textbook threads or anything with advanced topics has people from all disciplines behaving normally and collaborating with interest in each other's work without the need to push the insecure major politics that high-schoolers need to reaffirm what programmes their applying to.

Because every grad student /senior ug knows all undergrads are retarded and the only real respect to be had in STEM is pumping out significant research which 80% of degree holders from any discipline will never do.

>>7447657
>tfw this picture is true
I never checked the MS level. Women are awared 60% of MS degrees in the US.

>tfw Health is more sexist, and Education and Psychology are almost as "bad"
>tfw EACH of them are larger fields, yet Engineers get the shit end of the stick

>>7447650
Yeah Rudin is pretty hard for a first course, I thought I was hot shit and tried it and got dumpstered so I'm doing this now instead.

>>7447657
>collaborating with interest in each other's work

you're lying through your teeth or you actually think the popsci idiots on the "quantum shit" threads are actually "collaborating"

either way, no

>>7447706
Listen faggot, you obviously haven't been on /sci/ long and you're one of the retards who stick to the stupid major politics threads. None of that happens in real /sci/. You're gtfo you clown, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>7447714
>i'm older than you
>REAL /sci/
>You're gtfo you clown, you're embarrassing yourself.

why are you posting here today? this isn't your club. why are you actively fighting people? everyone's anon here

>>7447733
Except for OHP. He's a cool dude.

>>7447657
>No it's not

Yes it is faggot. Don't make me trawl the archive looking for ever variation on the phrase "engineers are faggots", I'm autistic enough to do that.

>>7447757
no one's arguing whether engineers were always called faggots, it's the other part, someone's claiming they aren't called faggots anymore

they are.

faggots

>>7447763

>>7447617
>It's the same thing with how /sci/ once looked down on engineers

>>7447628
>That's not true at all

>>7447635
>But it is you faggot.

>>7447657
>No it's not

And so on and so on....

>>7447771
it's the second part

>now the board is just engineers talking shit about everyone else

that's not true at all

>>7447733
Undergrads in the pure fields have always been regraded as inferior students who couldn't get into the more selective engineering programmes. Then a backlash started in 2013 and especially coming from within the pop-sci threads and their space/LHC/string memes now the pendulum is swinging the other way again.

Of course non-retards opt out of it all together.

>>7447673
This is a pretty good book. I've also pleasured myself with this one. :^)

>>7447757
That's literally a pro engineering meme you half-wit.

Engineering is male dominated; science is for stupid girls; well all engineering students are just homos!

That's how it started. I'm an engineer and I've posted shittons of gay engineering jokes when its funny.

>>7447785
Gonna grab it off of bookzz before it gets taken off, thanks for the suggestion pleasureman :^)

>>7447785
>>7447801
>:^)

>>>/s4s/

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>>7447801
The topology chapter is the best one.

>>7447805
RUUUUUUUUUUDE

>>7447830
Sorry i didn't know a fag was in the room

this^

>>7446868
Wait... so the sticky guide of starting with Baby and then moving on Papa is a bad idea? Pic related.