/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7403451
Pretty much every time I learn something new

when i realized that mind is over matter

This entire country is uncircumcised

>>7403570
Your mother's an uncircumcised country.
>burn

come on guys, this is serious. lets share some interesting insights go!

>>7403451
Learning about quadrance with Wildberger

>>7403451
my main eureka moment was when i realized that the holocaust never happened and there werent even 6 million jews living in all of europe

>>7403451
>the whole is the sum of its parts
What no structure matters

>>7403451
Read Newton's Principia and in it he said that if lots of stuff is moving there is a lot of movement and likewise if stuff is moving fast there is a lot of movement therefore the amount of movement is proportional to how much stuff is moving and how fast this stuff is moving. I get the concept of momentum now.

>>7403451
when i realized that i don't have much control over my life, but God does.

gauss map

>>7403618
>there werent even 6 million jews living in all of europe

We both know that's not correct

When I learned that that the kernel of a vector space being the set of v->0 vector is just a generalization of the kernel of a group that takes g->e where e is the zero vector in an F space because it's an abelian group under addition. Not really complicated but I remember it sticking with me.

>>7403691
when I realised that there is no God, and no 'true' or 'essential' meaning or purpose to life, and that to prosper in life is to embrace the creation of my own meaning.

>>7404152
How could you relize that?

I took acid and realized that most ideas in physics are actually very simple, almost child-like concepts. I managed to record myself: put record voice on my phone and completely forgot about it till my battery went dead and I checked it tomorrow. Before I listened to it, I tried to recall most of the things and how long they lasted from my perspective. then I listened to the recording and it blew my mind..things that I thought lasted for a very long time were actually only a few seconds and vice versa. time is such a strange concept, but it's not hard to understand that you can make time pass slower or faster only using your brain.

basically, you have all the time in the world to do things. life only seems short when you compare it to history.

>>7404283
I'm going to go ahead and guess you've never taken post-secoundary level physics course...

>>7404283
>almost child-like concepts.
All topics are this way. All fields are this way. Almost all people are this way. Their ideas are base an infantile, they've just deluded themselves into thinking otherwise, or been deluded.

>>7404352
>galois theory
>infantile

>>7404360
I don't know what that is, but it's very likely all of its components could be reduced to childlike thoughts, relativities, and tendencies.

It's not a comfortable viewpoint, I agree. It's one I avoid pulling into my mind, and it brings about ideas of transcendence and entrapment. But nonetheless, there's more truth in it than not.

>>7404368
it's a very complicated topic in mathematics

>>7404369
-Shrug-
I recall when I was 5 or so and learning to properly read, I was in a car driving down the interstate. It became apparent that reading the signs passing by no longer took any kind of effort, it was automatic and did itself. This did not feel neat, it was actually deeply unsettling. I knew something was wrong, or had been lost, but just didn't know what. Fast forward to my twenties, I have a good deal of philosophy, psychology, life experiences, layered around these things. They've been expanded, reworked, re-envisioned, iterated on. But ultimately, a slavery to language and learning by these signals remains at the core. Just in another way. All else can be broken down into simple parts.

Personally, I avoid the line of thought. I think life is cluttered and it hasn't ever been anything other than varying degrees of misery, the idea that I've made no meaningful progress is disagreeable and impossible to reconcile. I can accept that our "heart" never truly changes, but haven't deeply evaluated other aspects.

Take it for what you will. Computing and engineering are definitely childlike, as is mathematics, though. Most "functional" tasks are, regardless of any perceived abstraction.

>>7404381

>>7404390
Good.

>>7403451
I've encountered to many of em during my past analysis classes. Also had a few regarding physics.

rationality is independent of base bcus fractions are independent of base

>>7404381
euphoria: the post.

>>7404425
Mixed states are a sort of euphoria.

Eureka, also known as Mania?

Watching my SICP and fucking around with introductory programming:

Things should not be defined but what they are as in a state or set of properties, but by how they react. Logically if two things act the same way then they are the same thing, even if one wants to apply separate definitions to them based on taste.

Chain rule in Calc 1

When I discovered the fundamentals of logic at age 12(ish).

>>7403451

Urysohn's lemma. The first time I read it made little sense and didn't seem particularly useful. Then it clicked.

>>7403609
This.

>>7404352
glad someone got what I was trying to say..
another eureka moment of mine was this: when I was a small kid (younger then 9) I used to imagine that there was an almost exact copy of myself and everyone, except we were all green martians. Once I got older, I found it amazing that I could relate this to something that would be considered a parallel universe in quantum mechanics, even though the reason for this concept appearing in my head was an escape mechanism and not a physics theory.

I honestly believe that the key to being great at anything is to go into a child-like state: no ego, curiosity and having no fear of mistakes.

>>7404346
I have, but not at that moment. No need to mock my way of realizing things. Taking acid is something I've done twice when I was very depressed, and it helped me realize some things about myself. I'm not planning on doing it again, but who knows.

sorry if my english sucks. hope you get my point.

>>7404369
>>7404360
How did that guy come up with that at 19?

>>7403451
When I fully grasped object oriented abstractions in programming.

Realising that electromagnetism is a product of relativity.

when i was 16 and sad i couldnt diffrentiate an infinite product without doing product rule for the rest of time, i released

(product f)' = (product f ) (sum f' / f )
by product f = e^ sum ln f

i thought i was a jenias

>>7404794
how so?

the time i realized mayonnaise can be used if i run out of lotion when i watch queens blade. it was life changing

>>7404816
The speed of the electrons decreases the distance between them from the perspective if the positive particles being repelled, this increases the flux density and thereby force on the particles.

>>7404158
This is most likely after years of thinking and a bit hard to distill into a short post.
On God. Christianity is so flawed that it just breaks apart with a bit of poking. Same with the other religions.
But is there a god or not? A prime mover of sorts. Who knows. What is evident is that this construct is of no importance in your life. Any claim for meaning from this source is unfounded and must be rejected. Thus there is no external source of meaning, yet you know that there is meaningful experiences. You've had those so far in life. They originate internally and only that which is you can apply meaning to your experiences.

Want to prosper here in life? Look into what molds you as a person.

>>7404854
Amen brother.

>>7404854
we were talking about God and u jumped to religion and started attacking it, do u just want to highlight how smart you are for thinking it over? every smart person who is able to think for himself realizes religions are flawed, but there are many people in the world who dont wnat to think that deeply, and religion isnt a bad thing for them.

>>7404774

>another eureka moment of mine was this: when I was a small kid (younger then 9) I used to imagine that there was an almost exact copy of myself and everyone, except we were all green martians. Once I got older, I found it amazing that I could relate this to something that would be considered a parallel universe in quantum mechanics, even though the reason for this concept appearing in my head was an escape mechanism and not a physics theory.

10/10. I lol'd pretty hard.

>Generalized Stokes Theorem

Once you understand it, it's obvious, but putting all the pieces together in my head was cool as fuck.

>>7404360
>>7404781
When Galois was doing it he was working with permutations. It want until much later that the whole subject was axiomatized and buried under many levels of abstraction. Galois probably wouldn't recognize it if you were somehow able to show it to him.

Arguably the original Galois theory did boil down to "infantile concepts" but that is very much no longer the case. The modern theory is more general and much more abstract.

>>7403618
This tbh

Relativity finally clicked for me when I realized that since photons don't experience time, all exchanges of energy via photon (most or all of energy exchanges) occur instantaneously.

Following that, I realized that mass and time must be intrinsically connected, with one being a function of the other.

>>7404892
why does he have red eyes ?

>>7404928

All astrophysicists are stoners, at least in spirit.

>>7404873
I not sure what to make of your answer.

What I did was answering what I consider a genuine question. Yet you attribute this to vanity; which you then feel the need to belittle.

That last part is some weird, self-defeating appeal to popularity that I see no need for.

I can only assume your jimmies are a bit rustled right now.

>>7404873

>there are many people in the world who dont wnat to think that deeply, and religion isnt a bad thing for them

Yes, those people are effectively children. Sad little children.

>>7404733
Care to share some intuition?

Personally, I remember sitting in my room doing a problem when the main ideas behind galois theory just came together all at once.

>>7404951
>>7404949
>>7404873

>>7404963

The post literally said that religion was a good thing for people who don't want to think too deeply.

Willingly retreating into ignorance is childish.

>>7404980

>>7404963
Dismissing athiesm as a tryhard edgy meme isn't even close to being an argument, athiests have a right to feel superior because everyone else is a dumbshit.

>>7404988
>everyone else is a dumbshit.
-said atheist xD

>>7404988
>>7404980
>calling everyone who disagrees a dumbshit and ignorant is a valid argument
>calling atheists fedoras is not

>in addition, despite being unable to realise stupidity of my argument I believe I am intellectually superier
bet you're intelligent but an underachiever eh?

There was a point where the economy just clicked for me
I don't really know what I thought before, but one day everything about the true purpose of an economy was crystal clear

>>7405000
and what is that?

>>7405003
The products and services we produce
I was too distracted by employment and currency to see it

>>7404997

How is willful ignorance not childish?

>>7404997
Everyone else being a dumbshit is an over generalisation, not an argument.
> Intelligent but an underachiever
I do fit the stereotype there admittedly.

>>7405013
ofcourse you do :')

>>7405005
You don't deserve a reply tbh but I'll let you have one:
*you're fallacy is stating without an argument that being religous is being willfully ignorant

>>7405013
>I do fit the stereotype there admittedly.
I could spend time explaining to you that you are, in fact, stupid but seeing as your dunning-kreuger is already balls deep in your arse, there's no point.

>>7405005
You don't deserve a reply tbh but I'll let you have one:
*your fallacy is stating without an argument that being religous is being willfully ignorant

>>7405013
>I do fit the stereotype there admittedly.
I could spend time explaining to you that you are, in fact, stupid but seeing as your dunning-kreuger is already balls deep in your arse, there's no point.

>>7405025

Do you not realize that I was replying directly to >>7404873
in my first post? Read that one a little more closely.

>>7405030
how better are you than those "willingly ignorant"people? you dont know anything yourself yet you act like you discovered the highest truths, the truth is youll die as stupid as you already are if not more

>>7405035

I didn't say better, I said childish.

It's my personal opinion that seeking understanding past what is currently known is a good thing. That's the basis of science. Drawing a line in the sand at a particular knowledge threshold and refusing to pass it for fear of having one's world view disrupted is, I think, kind of sad.

>>7405056

Meant to say worse, not better

>>7405056
your mistake is confusing science and theology, when clearly you know nothing about either.

you need to realise just how much of a retard you are. unlikely due to your dunning-kreuger and the apparent belief that because dawkins said you're smarter, it is so.

>>7403451
It wasn't an 'Eureka' moment, because it wasn't much of a surprise to me, but understanding that justice meant equality for marxists while it meant something else for the burghers allowed me to understand the communist manifesto.

>>7404774
go to sleep ryan

>>7405056
protip:
Just stop using the word "atheism". Because there's basically 2 totally contradictory definitions of what it means, and what most self-proclaimed atheists will tell you it means is different from what just about everyone else will tell you.

Who is right? I don't know and I don't care, but it's gone on long enough for nobody to ever want to change their definition of it.

So just stop using the word and state what you meant by it more explicitly instead, and you'll save yourself a lot of time arguing with people on the internet.

>>7405144

You replying to the right person, there?

>>7405156
I thought so, but perhaps not, that was my first post here. I meant to reply to whoever this was >>7404988

Point being, what that guy probably thinks atheism means is just not having a belief one way or another, which isn't what most other people think it means (from what I've seen). I guess most people would use the word agnostic for that instead.

One of my Eureka moments was when i realized that heat and cold are the same thing just like good and bad, light and dark, happiness and pain

I was taking a bus back from college and I realized if I turned a problem upside down I could actually solve it. My friends and myself had been struggling with it for a few days.
But it was just a statics problem so it wasn't a big deal.

>>7403451
When I learned that n+1-dimensional cubes have twice as many vertices than n-dimensional cubes do - as expressed in the beautiful theorem displayed through the pic. It is not a too surprising result in itself, but the fact that I discovered the identity by counting the vertices after I read that the number of vertices doubles at each higher dimension makes the Eureka moment even more joyful.

>>7405241
But none of those is real, checkmate atheists

>>7405167
In my opinion atheism is like your natural state and agnostic means your entertaining the idea.

I normally don't take part in these arguments but I wasn't raised with any exposure to religion. Many of these concepts are weird and alien to me. Reincarnation, prayer (I mean like what do you like just whisper things you want to yourself and hope they happen), afterlife, water into wine, holy water, it's all very strange to me, and I don't even know what kind of stuff goes on at church.

I don't proclaim my atheism nor do I care if other people believe in stuff. It's just not a relevant part of my life. I never "made up my mind" I just never entertained the idea.

I think for a contrast one can compare with the term "skeptic" with regards to alternative medicine. Suppose you'd never heard of the thing before and thus didn't believe in it. Would this make you a skeptic? Not really, you would just be a non-believer. That is because skeptic has an entirely different meaning than atheist.

I think we should split it three ways. Atheist, religion-skeptic, and agnostic.

>>7405722
That's all fine and good, but what does it fucking matter if you can't use those words to properly communicate with anyone because the majority of other people do have a definition for those words in their head that is completely different from what you just said.

I have no interest in debating what the definitions should be.
All I did was come in this thread to warn you that you're wasting your time trying to hold onto those words when >90% of the people out there (even people who have the exact same ideas as you do) will interpret everything you say involving those words in ways you didn't intend

But by all means, don't take my advice, one day you'll realize almost every single one of your debates involving atheism boiled down to an argument about definitions rather than anything actually meaningful.

I'm a nuclear physicist. 4 years after my most basic classical physics class I was driving high one time and finally understood the physics behind the box in the bed of an accelerating and decelerating truck on an incline problem. Force vectors and shit, I just never really took the time to think about what was going on. I just used to memorize the answers for that situation when I was a freshman

made me feel like a moron when I figured it out

>>7405764
I'm not the person you were talking to. I only came into this thread to tell you I disagree.

I think the claim that the majority of people use it with those connotations is a bold claim, though I don't know how one would easily gather reliable evidence for or against it.

>>7404822
But thats wrong....