/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7387647

Sadly you were perhaps born too early. Our bodies are biological machines. We don't yet know completely how all the parts work therefore options to replace and repair are limited.

The more we know though, the better off the rich will be.

>>7387647
You were fucked the moment you were born essentially.

The only way to create a biologically immortal human is to make it from scratch.

>>7387647

Yes. Read more about it on kurzweil's website.

>>7387653
>Yes. Read about more about this discredited nutjob and beardman

>>7387653
sum it up really quickly please

i'm afraid to look

Anti-aging maybe, but you're gonna die eventually. You should probably come to terms with that because once you have you can put whatever time you do have to good use.

>>7387651

That is like saying the only way to make a car into a truck is to buy a new truck.

If you understand enough on how to work the machine and many of it's parts you can do anything. The questions then become, how much is it going to cost? And how much effort will need to be expended?

If you have limited knowledge, that station wagon ford escort you turned into a truck (ute) will have serious structural issues and will probably fail spectacularly.

This whole universe runs in a rather mechanical way. It will in the end be possible to do pretty much anything with the required knowledge skills and tools.

It will however take a very long time to master and catalog the knowledge need for the desired advances. Op was just born too early.

>>7387647
meh, even if you're immortal you'll eventually die, heat death, big crunch etc. And it'll be just so much more hard to let go.

just take some psychedelics, have some death experience, relax and never fear death again.

>>7387657
the idea is that we develop medicine that sufficiently comprehensively repairs the damage of aging

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategies_for_Engineered_Negligible_Senescence

>>7387647
>don't want to die

Why? Aren't you curious?

>>7387647
>Will physical immortality/anti-aging be possible in our lifetimes?

It won't be possible ever. But it's not necessarily a bad thing. Think of it this way, you get to find out what happens after you die.

>>7387685
No, I'm scared.

>>7387683
I'll try anything once. What kind of psychedelics?

>>7387699
Pleaae don't make me go to /pol/ and strike up religion with the Christians over there.

>>7387700
>Pleaae don't make me go to /pol/ and strike up religion with the Christians over there.

Even if you did, I don't think you'd get rid of the cognitive dissonance. I was brought up in a religious household and once you start to become curious about the universe and how things actually work, religion just seems like a hindrance to knowledge and truth. It's just one belief among many, the only reason this seems more true than others is the amount of people believing in it, and you know that. Besides, if consciousness does remain after death it will be far more amazing than some clerical man's pipe dream of meeting Jesus.

>>7387717
I'm, uh, let's say pretty atheist, take it as you will. Like I said, I just don't want to die.

I really don't believe the singularity will happen either, hence my wondering about fixing up the fleshy bodies we have now.

>>7387720
> I just don't want to die.

Most people don't. Try to find some comfort in the melancholy of the inevitable.

>>7387647

The older you get, the less scary death becomes.

I went into genetics driven by a fear of death but a decade of washing dishes in a lab later I realize death is better than anything life can offer.

Once all hope for the future is gone you will see it isn't so bad. Give yourself some time.

>>7387699
<It won't be possible ever.
That's just naive.

Sadly, too many people think death is a part of life or that something comes after it, so anti-aging research doesn't get enough attention

>>7387735
I want to hear more about your career, truth be told.

>>7387647
Even if it was possible, you wouldn't get the treatment. There's way too many people on earth, only the rich and important ones would get the treatment.

>>7387735
Literally kill yourself. Right now.

>>7387647
Practice magick OP.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/269679718/Black-Bible

>>7387735

This is the most important thing for science to achieve. There should be immense funding for this research. However I barely every hear about anything in this field. It's kinda weird.

>>7387786
Some billionaires fund research, most notably the google founders, but yeah, you think especially in this day and age there would be like government funding for it or something.

>>7387666
You're wrong, the process is stochastic and driven by entropy.

Expanding on your analogy it's like trying to take a rusted metal chassis of the truck and then trying to recover the full shape of the iron from the oxidated dust.

The only thermodynamically possible way purify the metal again by melting it down and casting it from scratch so spending energy to shed entropy, unfortunately that doesn't work for humans. You need to start with a chrome door.


I'm sorry you're going to die one, I don't want to either.

>>7387802
https://youtu.be/F8pnOSs4vvY?t=5m57s

>>7387840
Watching that was painful.
>Sackur: But you're crazy and everyone hates you, right?
>de Grey: Nope, perfectly fine
>Sackur:... Right, but you're crazy and everyone hates you, right?
Repeat.

>>7387647
Biological immortality could be possible, but only if we find a way to unlock telomerase generation without the cancer bullshit.

>>7387802
You have to be 18 to post here, Mr. Stochastically scientifically illiterate

>humans develop biological immortality before space travel
>dumb fucking religious nuts(because no matter what they say, they're hypocrites and will likely assimilate or justify the means of bio immort. into their religion) will keep having kids and spreading their bullshit

>kurzweil
is it that idiot who takes literally over 200 supplement and nootropic pills daily and hired a guy to manage all of them and remind him of doses and shit?
he won't live more than 100 years for sure
>>7387647
I assume you're about 20, let's further assume you have about 60 years to live

I would bet money the answer to your question is NO

>>7387960
See >>7387840 retard.

You are the same as de Grey saying "hurr scientists don't know everything" in response to literally the same thing I said.

In the future try using an actual argument, rather than making yourself look both stupid and childish by trying to appeal with something that someone obviously insulted you with so hard in the past that it still burns in your mind and you have to keep repeating it.

Trying to appeal to age is a logical fallacy and just makes you look even more stupid when don't add an actual argument with your empty insult.

>>7387647
No, because people wrongly assume the future is always going to be better. That's wrong. The upcoming decades will see modern civilization entirely implode and set us back centuries in for most people.

You not wanting to die is only a side effect of billions of years of evolution at work. But once you're dead I guarantee you won't even care that you're dead. It's an irrational fear.

Has there been any serious advance in research of this topic in the past ten years?

>>7388357
I'm not going to waste my time with someone who thinks humans are closed thermodynamic systems, dude

>>7387802

This isn't about me dieing, I was born too early as well.

>entropy

So parts wear down. Okay? Replace them. Need new organs? Clone them. Cell repair? Grow new ones based on the patients genetic makeup.

Early anti-aging and immortality will probably involve cybernetics and robotics and maybe pharmaceuticals and targeted genetic therapy. Eventually it may evolve into a form of trans-humanism. You can technically keep a person running for billions of years just as you could keep a car. That person may require "addons" to function properly but the point still stands.

Granted a car is much less complicated but the only thing stopping us at this point in time is that we don't know how everything works as far as our body concerned. We don't even know all of the parts that run our "machine". We don't know all of the little wires and the wheres and hows to safely interact with them in a more intrusive manner.

So you are quite wrong about this. I know I will die. But I know that the people of the future will at least achieve longevity, and perhaps maybe immortality later.

The only thing I do not know is whether or not those "immortals" will for all intents and purposes, be human. At least in the classical sense. Perhaps maybe even the literal sense as well.

"It is one of the most remarkable things that in all of the biological sciences there is no clue as to the necessity of death. If you say we want to make perpetual motion, we have discovered enough laws as we studied physics to see that it is either absolutely impossible or else the laws are wrong.

But there is nothing in biology yet found that indicates the inevitability of death. This suggests to me that it is not at all inevitable and that it is only a matter of time before the biologists discover what it is that is causing us the trouble and that this terrible universal disease or temporariness of the human’s body will be cured."

R.Feynman

>>7388647

this isn't about me dying*

>>7388621
>thinks humans are closed thermodynamic systems

And you think rust and corrosion only occurs in closed systems.

Just shut the fuck up you collosal retard, you know fuckall about chemical thermodynamics and you're embarrassing the entire board by thinking you're worthy of posting on /sci/.

Immortality in the sense of living for hundreds of years as a youthful individual?
Most likely, in fact in the hundreds of years you would be living, I'm sure science will find ways to let you live even longer, and repeat the process a lot.

The only people alive that might get it (assuming it even happens) would be the incredibly young and the incredible wealthy. And I don't mean "I drive a ferrari" rich, I mean you're one of the richest motherfuckers on planet Earth.

And people like that probably aren't fiddle fucking around on 4chan.

tl;dr: probably but you won't get it (get into investing while you can, boy.)

>>7387647
>I-I don't want to die. ;_;

deal with it,fag

>>7387647
>Will physical immortality/anti-aging be possible in our lifetimes?
Unlikely.

>I-I don't want to die. ;_;
Then spend your energy accepting death as a part of life. Or just stop thinking about it.

>>7387647
Find someone to love and fuck, then do all the stuff you want to achieve before dying. Then fuck as you'll never be able to again. Repeat until you die.

>>7387647
I think you should stop worrying about your unavoidable demise and instead learn to appreciate the beauty of death.
Smart or retarded, rich or poor, young or old, happy or sad, to death these are all the same.
No matter how much or how little you struggle the goal line never changes, death is the great equalizer.

You may take life very seriously since it comes with a expiration date, or you may opt not to for the very same reason.
If you think about this the right way it can make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside Op :)

>>7387700
LSD, shrooms, probably DMT. I don't know of a surefire way to have a death experience. For me, it just happened.

Eternal cellular reproduction.. Well, eternal healthy cellular reproduction.

>>7387647
It is a possibility. If all of the funds were directed into harnessing and reconverting mass into energy we could live as long as want, but we need some more billion dollars in cancer research and only cancer research so no.

>>7387647
Possible, but maybe not in our time.
There is a lot of money in it though. Who wouldn't want to buy your any aging medicine?

>>7387840
Here's a much better talk than the BBC (lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL3DW6-xzLc

Your desire for longevity denies the reality of our lack of resources. Governments will not be interested in a geriatric class of citizens who won't go into the grave, it's simply not profitable.

The only people who will directly benefit from the technology will be the incredibly wealthy. In all reality it will probably lead to a ruling class of humans with life spans many times over the normal while you bunch of aspies keep begging for scraps.

>>7390180

Any kind of degradation can be repaired substituted and replaced with the proper knowledge and skill. We just don't have enough of either right now.

We are able to clone animals, that is a start, and we are designing more and more complicated systems, some of which can interact with biological components.

We can now grow meat and are getting close to the ability to 3d-print organs that can evade rejection. Maybe a decade or two down the line. Our grand children, if things go right for them, may end up living centuries longer than us. Or at the very least another 50 or 70 years long.

Cybernetics is yielding prosthetic that can allow the user to control the machine with his mind. These are all very basic things compared to what may be coming in the next century or two. New breakthroughs on synthetics and energy also yielding methods to reduce overall resource expenditures.

Keeping track of all of this, it is actually quite exciting. Space colonies might actually become a thing as well. Send the masses to colonize space, though unfortunately that would probably mean that Earth and Mars would be kept for the rich and "privileged".

Longevity and immortality might also create a society that uses the death penalty for many more crimes, including lesser ones. It is going to be interesting when it starts out, and kinda horrible to.

>>7391273

*50 or 70 years longer*

>>7387647
dont worry. when your body and life starts becoming shitty, you won't care as much

>>7391165

In the beginning it won't be all that profitable. But as time moves on, it may very well be doable. Although, at this time, it would only be remotely possible to do such if one were among the wealthy elite.

So if not OP, then maybe his children will live amongst the stars in "immortality" while the dirty masses eke out a hard existence in the apathetic void. That is one of the many directions, of course.

Perhaps we might achieve something close to a Utopia where all may benefit and resources are never sparse.

It would require some wild technological advances but it is most certainly possible. And it maybe be the closest thing to a Utopia that we will ever achieve. It can go either way though.

>>7387661
Tolkien said the Men were blessed with mortality.

>>7391165
>muh flesh
Brain computerisation.
The first country to apply it nationwide would start a new paradigm, as no fleshbased nation would be able to compete.

I honestly don't mind dying if it means everybody else dies with me.

Fucking faggot new humans born next decade get to experience a bunch of cool shit just because my Mom couldn't wait 28 more years to get creampied? That's fucking horseshit.

Here's to the apocalypse.

>>7391857
Sad thing is, you were "fated" to be born now. If your mom had a child 28 years later, it would not be you. Different sperm cell and egg cell which would undoubtly birth a different person. Everyone that is born, could not have been born at any other time unless the exact same egg cell and sperm cell were stored and reused. Basicly we that exist now were fucked basicly since birth because we were born too early for mass available viable anti aging tech, and being born too early is absolutely unchangeable.

I was literally just thinking about this.

Honestly, I don't even care if I die, just as long as I get to watch what happens. To watch the story of humanity/the universe unfold is the only thing I care about. Thinking about dying and not being able to know what happens is just fucking excruciating

>>7390247
fuck off deathist

>>7390180
stop projecting and go read a book.

>>7387647
"As you are I was. As I am you will be"

- Inscription on Roman gravestones

>>7387647
Planets die.
Stars die.
Universe dies.

You'll die.

>>7392830
Planets, stars and universes don't die.
Did you know you have to be alive to die?
And that the three things mentioned before are non-living things?
You'll learn something everyday.

Btw, will human hibernation be possible anytime soon? We could put humans into hibernation before dying, and wake up when human bodies can be kept immortal, yay.

>>7394054

Unless you have millions of dollars to do that, you're not getting hibernated.

>>7394054
You can be cryopreserved if you have at least $28000 or life insurance. However, the method is pretty crude and you'd need to do it immediately after death to avoid brain damage. This is made difficult because western society doesn't allow legal suicide.

>>7387647
As soon as we get Quantum computing going you'll be able to download your conciousness onto a Hard Drive and essentially live forever.


So save up some money because it'll probably be expensive but could be attainable within our lifetimes.

Why is everyone on /sci/ so obsessed about life and death? Just live your life the way you want, and when the time comes for you to die, you'll die.

>>7394131
because we don't WANT to die. What part of this are you not getting?

>>7394131
Death is nothing more than a disease that needs to be cured. There's no reason it has to forcibly be part of any particular organisms life.

>>7394148
pussy faggot
>>7394152
but death is how god made us...

>>7394131
Dying is meaningless. Your "circle of life" thing is the same as saying that a rock is evil or good. The universe doesn't care.

>>7394131
Kids euphoric on new science they learned. Think they can do anything because they understand quantum mechanics. As they get older they will realize that science can barely dent the forces of nature.

>>7387786
HAHAHAHAHA. Are you fucking joking?? Currently,even with mortality, dumb people(plus all of humanity in general) are such an annoyance and danger to themselves and others. Now you want to give immortality to people to wreak havoc for eternity? The world is also not sufficiently equipped to handle the overpopulation.

>>7395422

well not if we limit the immortality to intellagent people. Say, you have to pass an IQ test in order to be immoral?

>>7395437
>intellagent

Anon...

>>7395437
There's no passing or failing in IQ tests.....

>>7394121
>As soon as we get Quantum computing going
hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahaha!!!!!
Not really, my friend. A lot more research needs to be done into artificial intelligence, what causes consciousness, how the brain works, etc.

This is just as ridiculous as suggesting we're going to have killer robots in 10 years time ...

>>7395476
Killer robots can be made today...

>>7395422
So what you are saying is that new generations are less dumb than the current?

>overpopulation
Currently the birth rate is two times the death rate, so if suddenly nobody died and people would just halve the birth rate, we would have the same population growth as we do now.

Everything that lives dies sooner or later, and when you do it doesn't matter how long you lived.