/sci/ - Science & Math

* vaccines don't work 100% of the time (as all drugs)
* not all kids can be vaccinated for variuos reasons
* some vaccines need some time to become effective

>>7376918
We're actually worried about their kids

Stop trying to use your tiny mind in matters it can't grasp what is happening and just vaccinate your kids like everyone else.

If there is a blizzard raging outside, closing 5 out of 6 windows in the room wouldn't do the job, hmm?

>>7376936
*claps*

>>7376936

This. Vaccines are only sufficiently effective if everybody is vaccinated.

>>7376918
>My my kid has polio why should you be worried about your kids?

I don't want your kid to die because you are a moron
No man is an island

>>7376918
Herd immunity.

>>7376918
>this is an acceptable mindset in america

Because I don't want my kids hanging around someone who's suffering from "Chronic Stupidity".
They won't get illnesses from your little nurglings, but they may be influenced by stupid ideas and a lack of intelligent thinking.

>>7376918
this argument is on the same level as "if I evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys?". it's barely worth answering because if you can ask such a stupid question you have clearly not even made an attempt to understand the issue.

>>7376918
This is hilarious, imagine if a pedophile made a picture that said "Why would me raping my kids be a threat to your kids? I'm not raping them!"
Are we supposed to not feel compassion when the child of a anti-vaccine moron dies of a preventable disease?
Child abuse is illegal for a reason, needlessly endangering your own children on a whim is child abuse. You should not be allowed to abuse your own children, you do not own them - they are people in their own right, and deserve to be treated like people.

>I don't understand the issue so I'll pose a fuckstupid question

>>7376918
this argument is on the same level as "if I evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys?". it's barely worth answering because if you can ask such a stupid question you have clearly not even made an attempt to understand the issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

>>7376923
This.
Infants aren't vaccinated as soon as they fly out of the womb, and probably not for another few weeks/months. During that time, not only is the infant unvaccinated, but also it would have a weaker immune system.

>>7377097
This is the correct answer

>>7377013
>nurglings
is that a real term?

My kids don't need to be vaccinated because if they get sick I can just pray to Jesus Christ for them to be cured.

>>7377028
>"if I evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys?"

if christianity evolved from judaism, why are there still jews?

I'm not worried about my kids. I'm worried about your kids. I tend to do that when exposed to a child who's been criminally neglected.

>>7377051

No that's not what it's like. The threat to other people's kids is real and what the question is targetting here. We're talking about other kids.

It's not like "raping my kids" at all, you're a sicko to even come up with that.

>>7377172
*tips fedora*

Christianity comes from GOD.

>>7377051
>they are people in their own right, and deserve to be treated like people.
They should be allowed to vote and give consent then.

>>7376918
There's only 1 really legitimate argument regarding vaccines and that's the threat that if you successfully eradicate a virus then the vaccine may stop being given, allowing people with samples of the virus to use it as a weapon much later on.

That and "you don't know what's in them" in the sense of concerns over whether they're sure they aren't going to cause horrible scarring or aids outbreaks or something.

>>7376931
ad hominen is the kikes way of proving his point, amiryt shekel lord?

>>7377132
On /tg/ it is

>>7377051

Depends on the risk the vaccine poses. If the rest of the people you are around are vaccinated, your risk is pretty low, potentially lower than the risk of getting hurt from a vaccine.

I wasn't vaccinated for a number of things and I will not vaccinate my own kids for them.

Anyway every major disease outbreak is the result of a foreigner spreading the disease into the US.

>>7377529
>there are people like this on /sci/

>>7377529
>on sci
>uses qualifiers like "pretty low"
fuck right off

>>7377529
Do you know the term "tragedy of the commons"?

Luckily, most people are responsible and vaccinate, unlike you.

Even assuming vaccination was potentially harmful you'd be in the wrong.

>>7376918
Why is the USA such a third world country when it comes to science? You idiots actually let rednecks run for president and let the masses dictate agenda's. Top kek you're doomed.

>>7377011
I know it's popular to hate on the U.S. for the mongoloids that run the country and get all of the attention from the media but this is a global problem, not a U.S. one. Anti-vaxxers are a force in Australia especially.

1. Smallpox. Eradicated because of vaccine.
2. Allowing a disease to have a host allows it to evolve, thus it will eventually evolve immunity to vaccines killing my family.

>>7377143
/thread. This is the only correct answer in this entire blasphemous thread. Jesus Crhist our lord and savorio will soon cime to us and cure all diseases

>>7377711
..to vaccines, eventually killing my...

>>7377713
Prayer is a form of natural selection.

>>7377178
I'm not >>7377051 but your acting like the pedophile was telling the truth about not raping the other kids.

>>7377706
We have fucking measles outbreaks in Canada, a few hundred people each year for the past few years. Measles! What the fuck is this shit? Next it'll be polio.

One of my friends caught measles in 2011 because some dumbfuck hipster parents let their unvaccinated kid go to school with a big rash. My friend was volunteering at the school and was pregnant at the time. Fortunately, her kid didn't die and didn't end up a mutant, but fuck.

OP, in case you're not trolling, no vaccine is 100% effective, but it doesn't have to be in order to reduce and even eradicate a disease. It's like how seatbelts don't always keep you from dying in a car accident... but they sure help. Also, some people can't be vaccinated for various reasons (compromised immune systems, too young, stuff like that).

>>7377728
You're*

>>7377529
kill yourself and put your kids up for adoption please

>>7377529
>my parents were retarded and now I'm retarded too
Story of your life, huh.

>>7376918
they're not a threat to my kids, you're a threat to them. Also bacteria and viruses mutate all the time. It's only a matter of time before this already dangerous strand becomes resistant to anything we have.

>>7377098
It takes years for a child to get completely vaccinated, its like you completely forgot all the vaccinations you had to get growing up.

>>7376918
>An analogy might explain

Your computer is running the best anti-virus and firewall software that you can get. But this does not guarantee 100% protection. Your computer is also connected to thousands of other computers. Some of which have no anti-virus and firewall software. Are they a threat or not?

http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/07/us-sees-its-first-measles-death-in-a-dozen-years/

>>7377051
The thing is that it is disputed whether vaccine is more dangerous than the disease itself. So there are different perceptions about what would actually be to endanger the kids.

>>7378091
Some kids die or become chronically ill from vaccines. It's kind of difficult to tell their parents "oh, but it was for the greater good, you know".

>>7377010
/thread

>>7377192
>Christianity comes from illiterate bronze age goat herders

FTFY

>>7376918
Some immune compromised people are not candidates for vaccination. They rely on everyone else vaccinating themselves. Their lives are literally in everyone else hands. Pity them because their lives are in the hands of a growing number of morons.

>>7377713
>>savorio
>mfw no one has pounced on this for Italian puns in this thread

>>7377724
Yep. The non-deluded people not talking to themselves hunt, mate, etc., propagating their non-retarded behaviour while the pray-ers wait in vain for...

>>7376936
/thread

>>7378091
>>7378094
If a kid isn't able to get a vaccine due to some body deficiency, a doctor should be able to recognize that and keep them for getting the vaccine. However, every able-bodied person should get a vaccine, as there is virtually no risk and they contribute to herd immunity, which protects those who don't have the vaccine.

>>7378105
Is there a significance to the red umbrella in this picture? If there is, I can't seem to figure it out.

>>7376931
>Just do as you're told, goy.

>>7378157
Yes should be able to, but routine mistakes are made every now and then.

>Nephew gets pertussis from the other kids at his rich white school
>Plead and beg and use every argument I know to convince my sister and her husband that they need to vaccinate
>Still not vaccinated
>Still goes to school where there are frequent outbreaks of easily preventable diseases

This anti-vaccine shit is pretty much a religion

>>7378340
So what we should try and calculate is the expected number of people to be hurt by bad vaccines as compared to be hurt by a pandemia.

>>7376918
>work
You're misusing that word

Let's say I've got a mouse catcher which works 100% of the time; this could mean it catches 100% of the mice, but also other things, or that it only catches 100% mice and nothing else. In both given scenarios, it's not perfect.

In the case of vaccines, people saying "they work" is referring to the fact that they don't misfire when administered to the right patient properly. To my knowledge, the only people who can't take vaccines are cancer patients with really weak immune systems.

The fact that they don't misfire doesn't mean they always hit the target though; they sometimes do not have an effect. However, they "work".

>>7377193
>and give consent then.
No, pedo spotted.

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/secret-british-mmr-vaccine-files-forced-open-by-legal-action/

http://www.naturalnews.com/036255_MMR_autism_court_case.html

>>t is small comfort to the families of children who have suffered autism as a result of these vaccines, that there may be a flicker of light at the end of the tunnel. However, the common belief amongst the established medical profession is that it is better to vaccinate a child than not. The forceful way in which the government in both the US and Europe have pushed for vaccination with MMR, has left many parents believing they have no choice, despite the shot being voluntary. In the case of Valentino Bocca this pro-vaccine propaganda was detrimental to the government's case.

Funny they mention pro-vaccine propaganda because all you need to do is look at this thread and realize that It's real.

>>7376931
>You're stupid.
>Accept.
>Obey.

>>7378525
The only one linking to shit propaganda sites is you

>>7378091
> disputed whether vaccine is more dangerous than the disease itself
Disputed by whom? A bunch of people who read some shit on the internet. Certainly not any actual epidemiologists.

Remember when all your friends got measles and one died, or that time Jimmy cut his hand on the fence and was crippled by tetanus, or how your whole family got whooping cough and basically had to stay in the house for an entire year? No? My parents sure as fuck do. In comparison, I've never known anyone who's had more than a few hives from a vaccine (and that was me, actually), and that passed in an hour or so.

The vaccine is more dangerous than the disease? Give me a fucking break.

>>7378094
>kids die or become chronically ill from vaccines
Citation needed.

Meanwhile,
> http://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/children-flu-deaths.htm
> The number of influenza-associated pediatric deaths reported to CDC during the current season surpassed 100 this week as an additional 6 deaths were reported in FluView. This brings the total number of influenza-associated pediatric deaths reported to CDC, to date, to 105 for the 2012-2013 season.
> Pediatric deaths are defined as flu-associated deaths that occur in people younger than 18 years. An early look at this season’s reports indicates that about 90 percent occurred in children who had not received a flu vaccination this season.

>>7378385
> To my knowledge, the only people who can't take vaccines are cancer patients with really weak immune systems.
I've got an autoimmune disorder and can't have certain vaccinations (nothing with live virus, basically). More significantly, there are children who haven't had them yet.

>>7378525
> mmr vaccine
Seriously? Are you trolling or just completely ignorant of the fact that that study on a statistically insignificant number of people was completely faked? This has been widely studied and no link has ever been found.

>>7378539
I'm surprised you didn't just call me autistic.

>>7378567
Citation?

>>7378545
http://rense.com/general45/USvaccinescaused.htm

http://zaidpub.com/2013/11/15/the-spanish-influenza-epidemic-of-1918-was-caused-by-vaccinations/

>>7378571
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136032/

>>7377706
BASED TONE
STOP THE NEEDLES

>>7378580
> Support VacLib's work by becoming a member or donating to our cause.
How about real citations... you know, peer-reviewed studies from actual journals, rather than vague anecdotes from scaremongering fuckheads out to make a profit at the expense of your health?

> a book by Eleanora I. McBean, Ph.D., N.D.
> N.D.
Nope, nope, nope.

>>7378545
There's this paralyzing complication, don't remember it's name exactly.. Gullain Barre or something like it.

>>7378631
>To make a profit?

Give me a break. Pharma industry is out to make a profit. How many with ties to pharmacology sit and review papers and edit "actual" journals? Very many.

>>7378633
Guillain–Barré syndrome does exist, but it hasn't even been shown to be connected to any vaccine. It has occurred in people who've never received a vaccine, and is most often connected to a serious bacterial or viral infection. Viral infection... hey, that's what vaccines are made to stop!

The only connection to vaccines is that in one year following a major influenza outbreak, a slightly higher than normal number of people were diagnosed with GBS. Like, not even 2 sigmas of statistical significance. Of course, influenza is known to induce GBS....

In short, it probably has no relation to the vaccine, but even in the worst case, you're still thousands of times more likely to be disabled or killed by the flu than you are to suffer GBS.

>>7378639
That web site is ASKING FOR DONATIONS. That other person is SELLING A BOOK.

Use your fucking head. Of course pharma companies are making a profit. But they are selling you a tangible thing that actually works, a thing that is being rigorously investigated and verified by completely independent people, both in the private sector and by public sector employees and university researchers with nothing to gain by lying.

If GSK's vaccine for whatever didn't work, but Pfizer's did, would Pfizer just sit there and let GSK rake in millions of dollars in sales? No, they'd fucking show that their competitor's product was shit, then watch the cash flow into their coffers instead.

>>7378659
It hasn't been shown to have a relation to vaccines because then people would stop buying them.

>>7378677
>nothing to gain by lying

Tell the chief of UK drug investigation who concluded a lot of research that marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol. Lost his job right away. And he was being publicly funded. Wherever there is money in silencing something you can bet your ass that they find ways to influence.

>>7376918
it's not my kids it's my gay friends with aids, or my grandmother who is on immunosuppresents for her hip replacement..that's who your lil plauge mongers are gonna kill

>>7378694
Marijuana is too cheap to produce and works far too well as a painkiller. Would out-compete several patented medicines in no time if it was allowed

>>7378697
Yeah and my really poor aunt who has chronic pain is dependent on painkillers for which there is no cheap legal alternatives because of pharma patents.

>>7378708
Not only because of the patents, harsh drug laws are needed too. Because as mentioned some remedies are possible to grow in nature. It's the combination of patents and drug laws which create the monopoly.

>>7378677
>>The claims made through research by these authors cannot be can't legitimate because they ask for donations and sell books. This is not an attack the source fallacy but common sense because I play upon suspicion and mask that as logic.
>>Pharmaceutical monopolies are above any suspicion. You must trust them blindly or else you are the scum of society.

>>7378355
I'm from a first world Asian country, and I've been living in Canada for two years now. Can you explain the reasoning behind parents not wanting to get their kids vaccinated? Vaccines are a must have in developed Asia, as most families have grandparents old enough to remember first hand the desperate times in post WWII Asia. The SARS outbreak and the threat of a new strain of flu pretty much guarantees that the younger generations also regard vaccinations as essential.

>>7376918
Congratulations OP you are now a Jehovah's Witness from the 1920's.
...
The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 pp. 297
Vaccination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox.

The Golden Age 1921 Oct 12 p.17
Vaccination never prevented anything and never will, and is the most barbarous practice... Use your rights as American citizens to forever abolish the devilish practice of vaccination.

The Golden Age 1929 May 1 p.502
Thinking people would rather have smallpox than vaccination, because the latter sows the seed of syphilis, cancers, escema, erysipelas, scrofula, consumption, even leprosy and many other loathsome affections. Hence the practice of vaccination is a crime, an outrage and a delusion.

>>7376955
That's false.

>>737871
>>Because Jehovah's witnesses recognized vaccines as dangerous, that means that you only oppose them based on a intellectually false basis. This is not false equivalence and poisoning the well because reasons and emotionally based rhetoric that will be spammed in a loop. This might appear to be propaganda but it is only the truth because attempts to emotionally guilt-trip posters into accepting vaccinations and having their children vaccinated is the right thing to do for herd-resilience.

>>7378714
What he said was that 'big pharma' has a review process with testable results confirmed by other parties, and the other doesn't.
Of course, this whole argument seems to come from an overreaction to >>7378094, which doesn't actually claim that vaccines are bad, just that they aren't perfect.

>>7378731

The entire point of vaccines is to eradicate viruses etc., if you have people hosting these lifeforms they will evolve to be immune to vaccines and then you have outbreaks affecting even people who are vaccinated.

>>7378715
A fraudulent report linked vaccinations to autism so that myth entered the public consciousness. Even though it was discredited, the myth persists, and once people become emotionally attached to the idea that vaccines are harmful they'll look for more reasons to believe that. There's also the conspiracy theory angle.

>>7378742
To be fair that's not the 'entire' point. It's also to protect the individuals who got the vaccine. Even if the disease is not eliminated entirely keeping them from getting it is still a plus.

>>7378732
No, also this >>7378697
And even Jehovah's Witnesses recognized they were retarded and reversed their anti vaccine policy in 1952.
...
And here is why every child should be vaccinated:
http://www.post-polio.org/ir-eng.html

>>7378744
I guess it's easier for parents to blame external forces beyond their control for issues such as their kids having autism. That's sad though. If you've been to any Asian country other than Japan, Korea, or Singapore you'd quickly understand why vaccines are required unless you want to die prematurely.

>>7378738
>>7378742
>>7378744
>>7378746
>>7378747

>>Not propaganda.

>>7378767
>master troll demonstrates truly epic rusing
Grow up.

>>7378767
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/autism-hits-china-big-time/

>>7378580
>>7378525

>>Propaganda because Pharma-shills say so.

>>7378779
http://www.post-polio.org/ir-eng.html
...
You quote: >>7378525
http://www.naturalnews.com/
naturalnews...
let me guess: must include homeopathy, iridolody and every second illness is caused by candida overgrowth (whatever the fuck that is)
And finally every paragraph is big pharma this and that and evil conspiracy theory... illuminati, but by the power of Jesus we will prevail.
FU

>>7378767

>>7378794
Well done, your poisoning the well debunks any concerns about vaccines because everyone knows that anyone who views the pharmaceutical monopoly -or anything- with reasonable suspicion is an undesirable element of society.

>>7378779
In light of this, does it seem suspicious that Sandy-hoax was blamed on a kid with autism, then, in the immediate after-math. Autism became a forced-meme insult?

>>7378809
>your poisoning the well
the "well" to which you refer has long ago been shit into uselessness by its proponents

A vaccinew is like slowly building a fence. There are people on this planet that are unable to get vaccines due to compromised immune systems or other various factors. Those children and other people are placed inside of this fence, or bubble, or people who are vaccinated. If there is too many unvacvinated people then one is going to get the disease and spread it to the others effectively killing most of them. The side effect if this is that while the disease is out a murdering it evolves and changes its genetic code. Vaccines are fairly specific so if the right transformation occurs bam no more immunity and everyone starts getting smallpox, etc.

>>7378904
Also this is all from basic biology and the upper division genetics courses I took in college. People just tend to be afraid of odd things. The guy who invented the spanish flu vaccine and I think the small pox vaccine shot themselves up with the vaccine first because it was gonna take too long to get to human trials. Ifor you are really worried that vaccines are evil things produced by pharmaceutical companies and the government then just look at if those same people vaccinate their children. The answer is gonna be about 99% of the time yes because people that are in the pharmaceutical industry and regulatory agencies in the government know that it's important for public health.

>>7378525
>children who have suffered autism as a result of these vaccines
Stopped reading right there.

>>7378885
>>No citation needed because obviously I am correct blah-blah-blah, insert ad-hom here.

>>7378904
>>7378934
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0802904
>>Not propaganda.
>>Related to Adam Lanza but also not propaganda:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html

Propaganda:
http://sarahkendzior.com/2012/12/16/want-the-truth-behind-i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-read-her-blog/
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/autism-speaks-scientist-is-vaccine-developer-of-top-selling-vaccine-the-top-fifteen-selling-vaccines-sanevax-inc-news-release/

>>7376918
They're not a threat to my kids. But you are a threat to your own kids. If you saw an adult threaten the safety of a child, would you walk by and do nothing?

>>7378983
Okay so one mother in 2008 thinks her kid got autism from a vaccine despite the fact that the myth was already very deeply ingrained in the psyche of america so there could be no possible way for a false cause fallacy. And you know what even if t was 100% the fault of the vaccine then the likelihood of it happening again is astronomically low. But just cause some people are allergic to penicillin doesnt mean we ban penicillin from all hospitals, IT means that we should be looking for what markers there are for reactive people so they can be added to the "do not vaccinate list" alongside invalids and those with autoimmune diseases. It's not that difficult but if you are willing to weigh the possibility of your child being that one in a billion and developing autism vs. horrible painful diseases that may cripple, kill and harm others with a much higher rate then you are a fool who doesn't understand public health. And yes the ratio would be neigh on that level because they have already done comprehensive studies on this bullshit for years and years and years and found no correlation or possibility of causation.

>>7377013
Then don't let your kids hang out with unvaccinated people. People should pay all consequences of not vaccinating kids, should be educated that it's good but shouldn't be forced to do so. There are no laws that make feeding kids mandatory, then why there should be laws forcing people to vaccinate?
Also compulsory vaccinations make vaccines cost more than they would cost on free market.

>>7379053
There actually is a law for that the crime is usually called child endangerment or neglect or abuse. Take you pick it's still illegal.
>>7378904
That is why everyone needs to be vaccinated. Not because it is cheap or makes money it's because it's currently the most effective way we know how to eradicate a disease.

>>7378983
I'm confused as to the objective of this post or the logic behind what is or isn't 'propaganda'. For example http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0802904 makes the case that the vaccine-autism link is bullshit and is described as 'not propaganda', but the overall post is structured as a rebuttal against pro-vaccine posters. Similarly http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html is described as 'not propaganda' while http://sarahkendzior.com/2012/12/16/want-the-truth-behind-i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-read-her-blog/ is described as 'propaganda', but both are ultimately just opinion pieces about Adam Lanza (who doesn't seem relevant in the first place).

>>7379053
>There are no laws that make feeding kids mandatory

>>7379068
Then show me law that explicitly state that kids should be fed

>>7379074
https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/can/defining/federal/

>>7379074
>literally didn't even try to confirm whether that nonsense statement was based on fact
https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/can/defining/federal/

>>7376918
We should focus on doing away with neonatal genital cutting before we jump on to the next thing to force on children for their own good.

>>7379074
And here are a few examples of people who were charged for breaking that law or similar laws in that way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collingswood_Boys
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/30891284.html
http://www.people.com/article/pennsylvania-parents-charged-homicide-starvation

>>7379053
Actually I think it would be a crime against the kids' human rights if they did not get food, clothes and some place to live.

>>7379074
kek

>>7379068
>Dammit, it isn't working. What should we do :'(

>>7379193
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

>>7376918
you get vaccinated to stop the spread of disease and to build up an immunity, it doesn't make you immune. The main purpose is to stop it from spreading.

>>7378103
top lel. his status:
>rekt.

>>7378140
Wouldn't the ice planet be melted before it could do anything to the heat based planet? heat is energy that can travel whereas cold is just lack of heat. So if I understand correctly some heat would transfer to the cold planet. idk I'm probably retarded

>>7379263
>even considering this meme situation

Yes, you're retarded.

I think the anti-vaccine people should take a trip to Pakistan and tell us what is is like to get polio.

>>7379263

Heat doesn't move through space you fucking idiot. It is literally radiation like sound.

>>7376918
Because mine got autism from the vaccines and are socially anxious.

>>7376918
>Hurr durr I don't understand herd immunity

>>7381008
Neither do you, apparently.

>>7379263
Any energy gained by the ice sun would have to be lost by the lava sun.

>>7376918

Too bad there isn't a vaccine against idiotism.

>>7378983

vaccines cause school shootings
/thread

>>7376931
Yes but you inject yourself many times over the "safe dose first" I'll observe the results.

>>7376995
No islands are sentient.

>>7379053
Child abuse and neglect is a criminal offence. Perhaps refusing vaccinations should fall under this as well.

>>7379474
People who worry about vaccines are more likely to have autism anyways. Correlation =/= causality

The US should follow Australia's example (one of the rare occasions one may say something like this). The Australian prime minister recently enacted a law that prevents you from receiving family benefits if you do not vaxx your kids. This is probably the most effective way to deal with the issue. Money concerns always trump idiotic principles

>>7376918
I would find that really irresponsible if someone said that IRL.

To be honest, I don't give a fuck about whether your child dies of some preventable disease. The fact that you are helping to keep the disease around is unacceptable. Look at the result of smallpox vaccination - smallpox has been eradicated! But for douchebags who don't vaccinate their children, they are preventing such things from happening. I say that is a failure of human duty.

>>7378538
Yes, stupid people need to accept and obey the less stupid people. That's how society functions, see soldiers vs leaders.

>>7379263
It's not serious. -1000 celcius is -726.95 Kelvin, which is below absolute zero.

>>7377132
There's a tabletop wargame setting where Nurgle is the god of, among other thing, disease, decay, rot, and dirtiness in general. Sounds like a kid to me.

>>7382289
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nergal

Herd immunity. Once a certain percent if people are immune to a disease it becomes impossible for it to spread since it can't come in contact with another individual it can infect. If we drop below that percent we're at risk of an epidemic

>>7378525
>suffered autism as a result of these vaccines

Objection Your Honor: facts not in evidence; speculation
- Granted

>>7376918
Herd immunity.

MMR, etc are a good idea. Flu shots are for retards who go into crowded areas or don't wash hands.

They're a threat to children who are too young to be vaccinated, and pregnant women e.g. like how measles fucks the fetus.

I still don't think vaccines should be forced onto people because the government could use it in a malicious way and we should be able to refuse if it becomes known that it has come to that.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna

>>7378580
An outbreak in 1918, really? Do you even know what goes into vaccines in the modern era?

>>7376918
People with weakened immune systems often cant be vaccinated. These people depend on "herd immunity" which means everyone around them is immune so the disease has no place to replicate and reach them. If you dont get vaccinated and you go out in a heavily populated area you are putting at least a couple of lives at risk. So if you dont want to get vaccinated then you shouldnt be allowed in public.

>>7376918
There are people with weak immune systems that rely on herd immunity to avoid infection, as for one reason or another they cannot be vaccinated themselves. It is not that you're a threat to my vaccinated children, it's that you're a threat to all those people who for economic or medical reasons cannot be vaccinated

>>7376918
Because of this:
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/spain-s-first-case-diphtheria-28-years-due-lack-vaccination

>>7382465
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>>7383457
They are the weakest links and we don't need them. Let em die.

>>7382411
Seriously? "The CIA puts shit in vaccines" is your argument? That's almost as bad as the "vaccines cause autism" argument. If your going to argue that, at least use the NSA so it's more believable.

But I'm also against mandatory vaccination, just because I think "my child, my choice" shouldn't just be reserved for abortion. With that said, I'm still going to vaccinate my kids. (if I ever have them. Big if, right there)

>>7383889
There is at least one disease that you are unable to be vaccinated against that others can, you just don't know it yet. Seeing that you are now a "weakest link" in a given population should we just let you die?

>>7382195
why not double down an add a nice bonus on top of that?
> Money talks, baby
Let's corrupt them into being good parents