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>>7336659
Something related to the human body or mechanical engineer, maybe.

Mechanical engineering, Electrical engineering, civil engineering, chemistry, anything related to health.

physics, specifically particle physics

>>7336678
>electrical engineering...chemistry
nope

>agricultural science
STEM degrees only please

>>7336686
I guess you're going to be useless.

Trades would be better. Nursing would be the best if you want a bachelor's degree, otherwise go for trades and it's obvious which of those would be useful (not barber). Mechanical engineering would be good for graduate degrees.

>>7336666
Cyborg engineer. Quads confirm.

>>7336690

1. Mechanical engineering
2. Medicine (does that count as STEM?)
3. Physics
4. Chemistry


99999999. Electrical Engineering
999999991. Computer Science

>>7336659
Electrical. Build radios and ... something

Mechanical if you work in one of the shops while you're studying.

>>7336659

Computer science

1) you know how to build a computer from scratch, you can could get science back on track within 20 years of very hard work.

2) you know how to organize systems of any level of complexity - you can manage huge endeavours through abstractions. With this, you can reconstruct society.

3) you know the basics of many sciences, you are in the best position to make educated guesses about the broadest of subjects. With this, you can reconstruct a lot of technology.

4) on top of 3, you are also in the best position to make extrapolations or projections about anything. With this, you can build models about the unknown.

>>7336666
HAIL SATAN

>>7336712
These days a computer scientist doesn't learn how to build a computer or how they work. They just learn how to write code

>>7336666

>>7336716
Really? Last time I checked it out it's literally introductory to using iPhone apps

Chemical Engineering

>>7336726
Sounds like a shitty program at a shitty school.

>>7336716

You're describing a code monkey not a computer scientist.

>>7336659

Civil engineering.

>>7336712
>false
>computer science =/= sociology, anthropology and politics
>computer scientist superiority complex
>apparently computer scientists are psychics
computer scientists learn code. code is only applicable when you already have a computer with a compiler on it
>implying you can create a compiler

>>7336732
By the definitions used by colleges, a code monkey is a "computer scientist"

>>7336738
>>implying you can create a compiler
>implying this isn't an exercise in an introductory CS course

Physics.

>>7336730
I'm sorry, but an astronomer doesn't also know how to build a telescope either. doesnt make it a shitty physics program

>>7336659
Assuming we revert back to feudalism, medicine and trades will be most vital. Mechanical and Civil engineering will be the first ones to make a comeback as economies advance.

>>7336659
Math PhD. I don't see how else in a post apocalyptic world you will get 300k starting.

>>7336747
but a mechanical engineer knows how to build a wrench or hammer.

>>7336755
A Mech Engineer nows how to design a wrench or hammer, not make one. It's the blacksmith who manufactures it.

>>7336759
You don't think mechanical engineers study manufacturing?

>>7336755
yes, but he's in engineering. not in physics or in computer science.

>>7336761
You won't have factories up and running in a "post-apocalyptic situation"

And yes, they study manufacturing, but Engineers aren't the ones to hands-down manufacture the good.

>>7336771
> Engineers aren't the ones to hands-down manufacture the good.
Yeah just the prototype

>>7336738
Making shitty compilers isn't hard, if you know how to program and have a clue.

Improve on that and CONGRATULATIONS! You've got yourself a haskell.

>>7336710
Yes, the M in STEM stands for Medi- I mean mathematics. Just like the M in M-theory stands for magic or anything you want. It's just a classification, no real bearing in the real world of real bearing. You know what medicine is made of? Infinite sets of universes. So when you take medicine you consume universes. Someone in turn is consuming us. This is where black holes come in. They are gateways to the holograms of the greater dimensions. Imagine a projected hologram of the universe on a higher dimension. We are a projection of 2D space. Nothing is true. Consciousnesses don't exist.

>>7336712
all are done better by CE/EE
2, 3, 4 are done better by a mathematician/physicist/etc and neither a mathematician/physicist/etc or a CS can build a computer

I SERIOUSLY doubt that that even 1% of CS grads could build a computer from scratch. I'm not talking about ordering a handful of components from amazon and snapping them together. Any monkey can do that. Building a comp from materials and tools is so far removed from what a CS degree teaches you.

I just fell for some shitty bait, didn't I...

>>7336738
>>7336716

I congratulate you people on your FUCKING degrees in computer science.

I imagine you'd be calling me a liar if I told you that a computer scientist actually spends more time drawing diagrams than writing code, if they write code at all.

>>7336802

a cs should be able to build a computer of any complexity. Whether out of relays wound from salvaged copper wire and magnets, or slaves pushing around rocks on a plain.

they know how to design all logic components, and how to combine them into an architecture that emulates a Turing machine.

and even if they don't know it, they can derive it.

they can then create a language that abstracts the instruction set of the architecture.

and then they can code on their own, self built computer.

>>7336818
8/10, good one m8

>>7336825

tell me, where did you get a degree, and in what?

>>7336659
mechanical engineering (ingenuity)
botany/agriculture (food)
construction or civil engineering (shelter)
medical (health)
electrical engineering or technician (so you can take the crude out of all of the above)

>>7336831
It would be extremely painful.

It depends tbh

In the event of a happening that results in the pollution of all fresh water in an area a chemist or water scientist will be more useful to the society than a physicist.

If it's an event involving ecological collapse then an ecologist, if it's a plague then a microbiologist.

On a personal level probably a doctor, being able to patch yourself and others up is incredibly useful but I'm not sure how much more useful it would be than first aid training if the health infrastructure is collapsed.

>>7336865
A field medic from the military would probably be the most ideal person you would want in most post apocalyptic scenarios.

>>7336849
You're a big guy.

>>7336659

1. Biology
>medicine
>food
>clean water

2. Women's studies
>white women


Why would i need an engineer lmao...

>>7336885
Why would you want a bitchy white woman?

>>7336886

i wonder

>>7336885
You haven't seen the "girls" in women's studies. You're lucky if they're not lesbians.

>>7336901
> not liking lesbians

Pretty much anything you need a degree for is useless outside of the context of civilization. I think a lot of people in this thread have a lot of misconceptions about what an engineer actually is and dies.

>>7336906
they won't like you

>>7336907
I'm an engineer and it's definitely the most useful STEM degree in this kind of situation.
A trade would probably be more useful though.

>actually thinking mech engineering would be most advantageous

>>7336663
this is the correct answer

When shit hits the fan, the guy who has the most food wins.

>>7336907
Seconding the dying part. And engineer wouldn't last a day.

>>7336908
> needing people to like you

>>7336885
>medicine
Chemistry
>Food
Agronomy
>Water
Chem

>>7336908
>rape is not an option.
>rape in an post-apocalyptic scenario.

Humanity promptly goes extinct because nobody has sex.
Ever.

>>7336909
Engineers will never be useful in a post apocalyptic world.

You can't repopulate the world through homosexuality

>>7336916
>>7336917
Instinctmind

>>7336914

>medicine
Microbiology with some first aid

>food
plant science and botany. agronomy if you want to commercialize it or want an enormous scale

>water

Microbiology

>>7336917
> not knowing the origins of your memes

>>7336916
>>7336917
That's it, I'm fucking done with this board. Clearly it's been infested by /v/-tier sexist pricks.

>>7336920
>water
>microbiology

Good luck getting those radioactive contaminants out of your water with antibiotics

>>7336923
>/v/
>Not the second most sjw board after /co/

If you ended up in a well rounded biology program, one with heavy emphasis on chemistry. You would do pretty well.

Animal husbandry would be a really big winner, Everyone is going to want a horse, with 9/10 young horses not being fit for ownership, i.e. glue factory/dog food/british supermarket. It will be quite the endeavor to bring their population to the point where we can once again depend on them for travel.

The horse really lost out with the industrial revolution, we kept the dogs and cats, but horses lost their roles entirely.

>>7336659
nature survivalist

>>7336929
>not just using electric jeeps
top cuck

>not picking a major with a heavy emphasis on field work.

>All these engineers who have never spent more than 4 hours outside thinking they will survive

>>7336776
No you idiot. I work as an assistant mechanical engineer for an elevator company. When I design a new part I don't make it myself, I design it in Inventor then give the drawings to our shop and have them make it. A few days later I have the prototype.

>>7336923
who asked you? who cares? fuck off

engineering. specifically the master race nuclear engineering

Women studies. And here is why:

>Women do 90% of spending in the US
>Women are wealthy
>Women are weak
>Women are stupid

Any schmuck with a degree could get a harem of bitches doing the gathering and cooking for them.

>>7336923
Fuck off whale.

Chemistry

>can make mustard gas, tear gas, explosives, smoke bombs
>know the best poisons
>know the best medicines (if you're a pharmaceutical chemist), can make them too if you're knowledgeable enough
>implying someone with deep knowledge of Chemistry wouldn't be one of the most useful people you can have second to a doctor or surgeon. The only problem is getting the reagents and lab equipment to make it happen.

Biomedical engineering

>>7336965
>can make mustard gas, tear gas, explosives, smoke bombs
>cant make superior nuclear bombs
>know the best poisons
>don't know that ingested alpha emitters can be much more deadly than cyanide
>know the best medicines (if you're a pharmaceutical chemist), can make them too if you're knowledgeable enough
>can't perform radiation therapy on cancer patients
>implying nuclear engineering wouldn't be one of the most useful to people you can have

>>7336971
You would need a lot of facilities and resources to achieve what can be done much simpler by a Chemist.

Perhaps when civilization has rebuilt itself and decides we need to wipe each other out again will you be useful.

>>7336974
>implying we don't have knowledge of statics and dynamics, fluid mechanics, heat transfer, thermodynamics, materials science, chemistry, and phys on top of all the nuclear swag we do

CE and EE sound godlike combined.
Medicine is also a huge part.

A game theorist would be God tier for winning tribal warfare and organized crime deals.

I just realized that my degree in mathematical finance would be utterly worthless in any time and place other than information-age capitalism. Oh well, better make friends with agricultural engineers and doctors.

>>7336978
> implying any of that matters in post-apocalyptia

>>7337017
>having a solid background in all areas of science doesn't matter
you're dumb

>>7336996
>game theory
>applicable to real life

>>7337024
maybe a century or two after then apocalypse, but not right away.

>>7336937
>post-apocalyptic scenarior
it's you assholes that probably got us into this situation you and your fucking nukes and whatnot

>>7337115
>it's a shame that this apocalyptic scenario happened considering the luxuries we used to enjoy like large scale power production and distribution, advanced cancer treatments, and the super soaker (invented by a nuke)
ftfy

>>7336710
>2015
>being unsure that medicine is stem
>being bordeline retarded

>>7336710
>not needing a computer scientist to decode google maps for you

absolute retard

Medicine
Medicine
Medicine again

I think some engineerings may also prove useful.

The gift of GauB

>>7336729
This anon-fag gets it

>>7336752
this

Any stem degree has value, but Getting the degree is only half way. Knowledge is useless unless you can apply it.

Can you purify water?
Do you know how to generate electricity?
Etc (think fundamental stuff that society often takes for granted)

>>7338416
Trauma Surgeons to be specific.

no use of listening to my fucking heartbeat if you aint gonna do shit about it

>>7339108
engineers have all that knowledge and more. mathfags dont. literally worthless

>>7336795
Gay

>>7336978
Also gay

>>7339208
ayy lmao

>>7336818
Gay

>>7336659
electrical or mechanical engineering, maybe chemistry.

>>7339116
Trauma surgeons won't have half the equipment they need. Any MD is licensed as a general practitioner, and that's what you need.

>>7336659
Assuming you can even figure out the basics of food, shelter, clothing, and water at a rudimentary level (congrats, you are a survivor), then you are going to want a plethora of abilities, not a single degree.

Mechanics (not necessarily engineering) for repairing or maintaining salvaged equipment.

Electrical engineering for getting the power on and keeping it that way (this is a big one), mechanical engineering comes into play here if you go big but thats not very likely, most likely you will be hijacking existing equipment, not building your own windmill.

Basic chemistry for preparation of things like soaps, fertilizers, explosives, antiseptics, and food preservatives.

General Medicine because DUH.

And basketweaving. Because eventually, you are going to run out of malls to loot and will need to make your own clothes and containers.

This is actually one of the reasons I went to med-school.
My grandparents on my mother's side are holocaust survivors, and her entire family has a sort of "you can never know when everything will change" mentality that's been instilled in me as well. For instance they always gather loads of food (in case there's a sudden shortage someday), and they really pushed me and my brothers in studying practical professions rather than subjects we were just interested in.

>>7336971
>implying alpha emitters kill people faster than cyanide that binds to mitochondria preventing them making ATP effectively killing the entire cell

>>7336659
Chemical Engineering.

Most important for restoring our infrastructural to the point of having the materials needed to produce modern technologies including but not limited to all refining processes (-> metals, chemicals, oils -> plastics, medicines and other organics etc.), water and fertilizer (unless the population was reduced to 1 billion, everyone would starve with ChemEs to produce fertilizer), integrated circuit production, steam cycles for power (which with emphasis on pneumatic powered equipment can be started up without requiring electrical power) etc.

Nothing in modern society can exist without ChemE and the discipline also receives enough training in EE to build filter circuits and other electrical instrumentation (and is also trained to build pneumatic PID controllers, which EEs don't, so automation of industry could be achieved earlier even before the power is back online), being very familiar with IC production which is a gas diffusion intro problem in all transfer processes textbooks it's only a decade or two before we restore our entire digital infrastructure.

And of course most underrated of all is modern material science, polymers and additive compound technology (ignoring nano buzzwords) is extremely vital to the cheap, functioning consumer products we take for granted every day.


Chemical Engineering.

Every other answer is a troll or uninformed.

>>7336865
Only correct answer in this thread

Over a timeline,
when people were isoleted, mechE would be of high value, because of the tools, and automasition knowledge. later on when people would start gathering CE/EE would be important for rebuilding infrastructure.

>>7336659
Aerospace so we can get the fuck out of this shithole

You faggots are all retarded and here's why.

>water
Desalination and water purification needs to be done on a mass scale which make's it a chemical engineering optimization problem. Chemists do not study reactor and unit operation design, they don't even study heat, mass and momentum transfer processes. It's an engineering problem, not a chemistry problem. Literally a Mechanical engineer is better suited to providing clean water. There's no such thing as a "water science" discipline as one anon mentioned, it's "water utilization" and it's an engineering field.

>medicine
While I repsect the profession, an MD can do little without access to advanced medical equipment and drugs, it's no use having MDs who can do little except watch all his patients die of simple outbreaks that have been cured centuries ago.

Being able to mass produce cheap anti biotics is far more important than being able diagnose extremely rare diseases. This is again a reaction engineering problem.

>food
Agris are literal farmers that don't understand how to fix arid post apocalyptic soil, botany is useful for cataloging and not much else.

ChemEs have discovered processes to grow food in literally deserts by using mulch film (a spun thermo set plastic that needs to be mass produced) and fertilizers to restore farm land to its former glory.

>b-b- but we won't have manufacturing!
Every engineer can design a lath in his sleep, you can quickly train the masses to manufacture any tools and equipment you need. Cast moulds are also easy to make, in the absence of everything else you can just use clay, the only hard part is getting refined raw materials.

>b-b- but muh trades!
We need leaders, not replaceable techs who engineers can train from the survivors in 6-12 months anyway.


Again Chemical Engineering is the only correct answer with Mechanical Engineering being a very close second honourable mention.

>>7339650
>an MD can do little without access to advanced medical equipment and drugs
Or you can do what Physicians did for thousands of years? Many of the basic procedures and treatments that are part of your clinical training have been used well before modern medicine. Things like treating wounds, first aid, delivering children, basic surgical procedures, bloodletting, cauterization, and even many natural medications have been in use for thousands of years. Look up medicine in ancient Egypt, or in ancient Greece or Rome. The country doctors were also famous in Europe. Consider things like medicine in the golden age of the islam as well, no technology, but they performed many ophthalmologic procedures (even cataract)

>>7339650
> There's no such thing as a "water science" discipline


But that's wrong you fucking retard.

>>7339650
you must be a first world armchair idiot

water can be boiled. boiling is fire, fire is fucking easy and simple you dumbass, even a retard like you can light one. nobody fucking needs centralized water system you lazy fuck

people have been farming for thousands of years, all that knowledge isnt gonna fucking disappear you dumbass.

>>7336803
We know. A CS graduate doesn't know jack about semiconductors and probably almost nothing about electronics.
I don't know about architecture though, if anyone can tell me?

>>7339662
>Things like treating wounds, first aid, delivering children, basic surgical procedures, bloodletting, cauterization, and even many natural medications have been in use for thousands of years.
Some prep kid is more likely to know all that than a medical doctor. It's common knowledge, not modern medicine.

>Consider things like medicine in the golden age of the islam as well, no technology, but they performed many ophthalmologic procedures (even cataract)
Again, things like this don't matter if your entire population dies of cholera, thirst and hunger while you're making sure some peasant is able to read properly.

>>7339665
Water science is not an accredited discipline recognized under the Washington accord.

What this means is even if you find some random university offering a post grad in "water science" it's a worthless piece of paper because unlike water utilization engineering you are legally not allowed to work on water purification.

>>7336659
MechE for machinery
CivE for structures
EE for salvaging and using electronics
ChemE for muh piping systems, industrial processes, and possibly some use for acquiring medicine (Biomolecular engineering falls in the same major)
Agriculture for not starving to death
Chemistry for... chemicals (you can always use explosives and aspirin)
Math for dying quickly.

>>7339673
Not sure what a prep kid is, but proper delivery of children, even moreso outside of clinical setting, requires quite a bit of clinical knowledge. Proper treatment of wounds requires knowledge of anatomy and surgical procedures. These are the bread and butter of medical training. Proper use of natural medications requires understanding of pharmacology and physiology. This is like writing out a med-school curriculum.

>>7339670
Check my IP, I'm posting from a third world country right now, but nice try.

>I know how a kettle works!
That's irrelevant fucktard. All savagery is irrelevant and obviously we can stay in the copp-, not even, the stone age if we had no expertise.
> nobody fucking needs centralized water system you lazy fuck
You want to be able to have one person mass produce products or even better to automate it, that's what modern society is. In any case water purification is done using reverse osmosis, boiling is way too expensive and you're retarded for not knowing that so you're wrong both ways and you've just wasted a ton of firewood because you're a strong independent womyn who don't need no patriarchal water.

>people have been farming for thousands of years, all that knowledge isnt gonna fucking disappear you dumbass.
You know literally nothing about modern farming. You can't just water shit in the ground and hope it grows anymore, even if you find perfect soil you're going to turn all the land arid in a few seasons any conceivably large population starves. Modern farmers rely on a constant supply of modern materials and equipment, if you take that away from we can't sustain even 10% of the population we do today.


Also one more thing I forget to add, you people are idiots for thinking a CS major isn't the most well equipped to reproduce computers and >>7336818 is perfectly right for saying they can build computers of varying complexity from the principles that no one understands better than CS. Of course a computer alone isn't as useful when you already have PIDs until you can start manufacturing ICs again.

>>7339673
> not an accredited discipline recognized under the Washington accord.

>scientific disciplines aren't valid because they aren't recognised by an accord that specifically addresses engineering degrees.

>>7339676
>but proper delivery of children, even moreso outside of clinical setting, requires quite a bit of clinical knowledge.
Not disagreeing, but if we have to go back to a 50% infant mortality rate that won't be worst thing ever. Women will bear others.

>Proper treatment of wounds requires knowledge of anatomy and surgical procedures.
I'd rather we lose the 0.05% of the population that will incur such extensive injuries per generation than lose 50% to the first plague due to not having widely accessible drugs.

>Proper use of natural medications requires understanding of pharmacology and physiology.
None of these are useful if you can't mass produce, it's no use if only the top 1% of the population has access to these medicines.

>>7339683
Exactly. No one trusts them, they're a background degree to engineering and cannot be used in practice outside of theory research.

They are not qualified to design treatment plants because they are not trained to do so.

This should be obvious, I don't understand how a /sci/ poster knows so little about how the world functions.

>>7339685
> None of these are useful if you can't mass produce

How are you going to mass produce anything in a post apocalyptic world?

>>7339692
Read my previous posts >>7339650.

Just because you don't see how to do it doesn't mean it can't be done. An engineer can undoubtedly get a mass production economy up and running in less than a year even in small populations.

>>7339692
All things considered, you could mass produce some things just using the equipment that is left over. Also, I'd imagine that the definition of mass production would change when 80% of the human population dies in the first year.

>>7339690
see
>>7339692

In a post apocalyptic world you are not going to have water treatment plants or the means to make them though. A deeper understanding of the theory behind a subject will be more useful than knowing which reaction vessel to use.

Also are you implying that nobody trusts any scientists and that engineering is the only worthwhile pursuit in the real world?

>>7339695
See >>7339693

Yes, you are.

>A deeper understanding of the theory behind a subject will be more useful than knowing which reaction vessel to use.
An engineer has both. And fluid equilibria thermodynamics isn't as simple as picking a reactor.

>Also are you implying that nobody trusts any scientists and that engineering is the only worthwhile pursuit in the real world?
Yes, I if you draw a dichotomy between academia and the real world that is exactly right. I don't even need to imply or shill that fact, it's literally the law.

>>7339650
>Fagineer with a superiority complex

Anon, I don't doubt you know your shit but you're deliuded if you think that it would only be engineers that would be need. Take you water example, what's the point of being able to design a water treatment plant if you lack the knowledge of how to treat water. In a post apocalyptic world an engineer would be an asset, but an engineer operating in isolation would be useless. The correct answer is, in no particular order:
>Engineering
>physics
>biology, particularly those with an emphasis in micro, biochem and plant biology.
>Medicine
>Chemistry
>Mathematics, becuae mathematics is always useful.

>>7339707
> physics
because knowing how two subatomic particles interact is useful post apocalypse

>>7339718
>Wanting that knowledge to be lost forever.

Not just that physics is a very broad subject, you'd want physics grads in your post apocalyptic world since they can turn their hands to anything.

>>7339707
>Take you water example, what's the point of being able to design a water treatment plant if you lack the knowledge of how to treat water.

Do you honestly think anyone understands the science better than a chemical engineer.

You're the deluded one for thinking 2 years of loaded pure science training amounts to nothing in an engineering curriculum.

But vice versa isn't true. Building a plant doesn't JUST require simple science. It requires knowledge of- and skill in control engineering, heat exchange, mass transfer, chemical solutions thermodynamics, reaction engineering etc.

A scientist who studies "water science" at a post grad level will undoubtedly know more about cutting edge research, but none of that is important in actual plant design where the fluid phase equilibria thermodynamics for designing separation stages is far more important and a ChemE already knows more than he needs to about the fundamental science (undergrad curricula dedicate a lot of time to water treatment because most chemical processes and steam cycles require very pure water).

One degree actually studies how to design a water purification plant, the other does not, I don't understand how you can honestly believe a pure science degree will be more useful.

[cont]

>>7339702
>engineers are so deluded they believe that being a walking calculator is more important than actual science

>The correct answer is, in no particular order:
>>Engineering
>>physics
>>biology, particularly those with an emphasis in micro, biochem and plant biology.
>>Medicine
>>Chemistry
>.Mathematics, becuae mathematics is always useful.

No, not at all,

>Engineering
>Medicine
>Mathematics, because mathematics is always useful.
Most useful STEM support for engineering, especially considering access to modern computers and thus simulations will be limited.
>biology, particularly those with an emphasis in micro, biochem and plant biology.
Emphasis on zoology and other macro biology would be more important until mass production and thus cheap equipment access is finally restored.
>>----Redundancy power gap: ^If we had these 4^ everything else that would require immediate focus could be done better by someone trained in the above disciplines----
>Chemistry
More familiar with classical science techniques and analysis than other STEM. Chemistry is one of the most practical sciences.
>physics
Because an engineering curriculum covers the classical physics needed in much more detail, this discipline won't be needed for another few centuries until we can invest in high energy R&D. It won't be nearly as useful a support degree as Math, Chemistry and Bio.

>>7339732
You know jack shit of neither science nor engineering and it sticks out like a sore thumb.


At least let the real scientists do the arguing instead of embarrassing yourself you clown.

>>7339722
>you'd want physics grads in your post apocalyptic world since they can turn their hands to anything.

I hope this is sarcasm...

>>7339737
>this coming from the delusional faggot who said an engineer could convert a world that was destroyed into a mass production economy in a under a year

Alright, new question:
Which non-STEM degree will be most advantageous in a post apocalyptic situation, when most of civilization and technology have been destroyed?

>>7339743
I'm not an engineer. If you're going to post on /sci/ at least use good arguments that doesn't make you look like an empty shit spouting high-school child who doesn't know anything other than what his retarded counselor told him.

>>7339747
Chemical engineering of course. It is the only worthwhile pursuit in the world and other subjects can't compare.

I personally am a first year chemical engineer and I guarantee that I, or any other competent chemical engineer would have humanity at a space faring level within 2 weeks, 3 tops, after the apocalypse.

>>7339743
1 year is being generous dumbass, again just because you're an ignorant functioning retard doesn't mean a professional engineer isn't:
>Create cast moulds for equipment needed ~2 weeks.
>Gather and use scrap metal until refineries are back up. ~2-6 weeks in conjunction with above.
>Train technicians in conjunction with above and produce basic manufacturing tools ~6 months.
>Use piping from thermal set cast moulds to construct pneumatic PID controllers (or just PI would be enough for most basic processes) ~ 2 weeks.
>Vessels ~ 1 day in conjunction with ^
>Mending and implementation of materials and controllers ~ 3 months in conjunction with ^^
>Troubleshooting and contingency ~3 months

Enjoy your basic manufacturing plant, 1 year is being generous, most plants are brought online in less than a year all the time and most plants are manufactured from raw materials.

In fact plants are brought online and taken apart so fast economic estimates for plant lifetimes are always done for less than a decade.

>>7339749
>implying I didn't just call you a faggot because you were acting like one

>being this ass pained on a javanese shadow puppet board

>>7339755
>>7339755
>Die from a bullet wound because you spent your time casting a fucking mould instead of surviving~3 hours

Wow its like you really are a fucking moron!

>>7339753
>Being this butthurt because you have no real arguments and can't refute any of the facts already posted.

This must be what it's like to be utterly inferior to someone. Don't be so jealous all the time, there will always be someone just plain better, more valued, higher paid and more intelligent than you and you're going to be miserable being this bitter towards your superiors your entire life.

>>7339763
>I'm not an arrogant faggot you childish moron!
>Arrogant faggotry

>>7339762
Wow it's like you really don't have any arguments.

Nice job changing the goal posts to "THE WORLD IS DAYZ NOW AND THERE ARE TROLLS WHO SHOOT YOU AT SPAWN HURR"


At least bow out with some dignity and admit you knew nothing about how plants are built in industry.

>>7339766
>Still no real arguments

Your so cute! Do you have a bf yet :)

>>7339768
>changing the goal posts

The thread is about a post apocalyptic situation you moron. No fucking engineer is going to be able to do half the shit you said when they are starving, getting shot or dying from radiation poisoning.

>Tfw got accepted onto a masters program in international security

I will be king of the wastelands

>>7339769
No, I'm not an engineer

>>7339730
>Chemical engineers understand chemistry

Top kek, you engineers are so cute when you're trying to look more important that you are.

>>7339777
That much is obvious to everyone dear.

>>7339774
> post apocalyptic situation == everyone on the planet starts out being shot simultaneously
Sure thing pal.

>>7339781
>it took you four minutes to come up with that

At this rate you'll never finish your plant :^)

>>7339782
>after the end of the world
>everything will be fine

>>7339779
Chemical engineers literally complete the entire chemistry curriculum in their first two years by taking on double the workload. An accredited degree gives your signature the legal power to actually build something of relevance and importance to the world.

A chemistry degree prepares you for QC job in the manufacturing line.

To all these idiots saying mech eng, we need roads and bridges before we can start using cars. You're underestimating how core civil engineering is; look at what Rome did with civil engineering and hardly any mechanical engineering beyond ballistas and watermills. Roads open up trade which brings material and money for you to do other things. Regions can be held and quickly pacified by fast moving troops. The absolute first thing any post apocalyptic civilization must do is fix the roads.

>>7339787
>Chemical engineers literally complete the entire chemistry curriculum in their first two years by taking on double the workload.

But that's a lie you have some basic, general chemistry. You're a prime example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, you have so little experience in a subject that you don't know how much you don't know. Like I said, it's cute.

>>7339793
>you have some basic, general chemistry

Nope, sorry pal it turns out you're the one miserably suffering from the old Dunning-Kruger. And what you do in Phys. chem. is a joke, what you read in Atkin's, Levine etc. and it's all child's play, babies first thermo, no coverages of modern EOS and modern derivations from potential wells, no modern chemical solutions thermo and absolute toddler tier reaction kinetics.

Quite literally the only thing chemistry undergrads do that is more advanced is upper level inorganic chem which, lets face it, isn't the most difficult thing in the world and some baby QM you do which is no where near physics level.


There is a reason no one respects chemistry graduates, because except for top 5 schools your curriculum is lightweight garbage.

>>7339734
>"Physics"-Because an engineering curriculum covers the classical physics needed in much more detail, this discipline won't be needed for another few centuries

>"Math"-Most useful STEM support for engineering

How in the fuck is math useful (as it should be), but physics is not need for centuries.

I fucking know engineers and when I tell them i am studying physics they all think I am crazy because they barely made it through the exam. Besides I saw your fucking physics exams and your training exercices and god dam.

I know that not all engineer are walking calculators, but the fucking majority are. One physicist and one engineer can do so much more then 10 engineers, but you cunts think that physicists are some weird creature that lives under a cave lab.

>>7339821
All those books are literally basic chem.

>>7336759
Melting iron is not rocket science. You can make a prototyping forge with ease.

>>7339828
>How in the fuck is math useful (as it should be), but physics is not need for centuries.
Pure math sometimes studies analysis of coupled non-linear PDEs typically found in real world problems at grad-school which is useful because a lot of laborious hand work is needed if computers are not available.
>I fucking know engineers and when I tell them i am studying physics they all think I am crazy because they barely made it through the exam. Besides I saw your fucking physics exams and your training exercices and god dam.
Literally no one cares about dropouts and their performance in baby intro physics retard, most engineers think that easy mode class should be scrapped because learning babies first Lorentz transforms is less useful than dedicating more time to classical transfer science.
>I know that not all engineer are walking calculators, but the fucking majority are. One physicist and one engineer can do so much more then 10 engineers, but you cunts think that physicists are some weird creature that lives under a cave lab.
I know everything that's in a typical physics curriculum and it would be less useful as support to engineering problems than math; who can potentially have more experience solving the coupled transport models. Honestly even technologists are more useful because they don't need additional training to do minor support work.

>>7339828
>Besides I saw your fucking physics exams and your training exercices and god dam.

Fucking this, I knew some engineers who were acting like they were hot shit one night, so me and the other physics students that were out made them a wager: Pass our classical mechanics exam from last year and we'll fund your next night out. Not a single one passed, needless to say there was a lot of butthurt afterwards.

>>7339831
Nice try, I TA for the chem department, I know which textbooks they use more than a freshmen like you who is just guessing.

>>7337118
And look at what that's gotten us into! I had to eat my dying mother because I was starving to death! I never asked for this!

>>7339848
Well in that case sounds like youre at a shitty university.

>>7339844
And if I gave a physics major a chem. sol. thermo he would cry.

Classical mech is a more rigorous approach than baby intro phys and they were retarded for not knowing the difference. Is still not engineering science and a far cry from transport (continuum mechanics, heat/mass/momentum transfer), it's unimportant.

>>7339852
Even if I was I'm willing to bet none of your undergrad textbooks in the respective topics are more advanced. Skoog, Holler, and Crouch is literally the fucking authority on anal. chem. and instr. analysis.

Knock of the damage control and stop behaving like a shithead in the future.

>>7336747
actually, an astronomer would know how to make a telescope. It is covered thorougly in every respectable astronomy university program

>>7339853
>And if I gave a physics major a chem. sol. thermo he would cry

Nah, he might not do as well as a chem engineer, but cry? Not a chance.

>>7339860
She wouldn't even know where to begin unless she read extensively outside the curriculum. Just like your engineering friends probably wouldn't know where to begin in a qm and even a rigorous stat. phys. exam. Using MIT OCW as a reference.

In fact I can just test this, my gf is a physics/math double major. Will report results.

>>7339867
>she
>gf
Anon, stop it. You're just embarrasing yourself now.

>>7339867
>She wouldn't even know where to begin
>she
Well of course not.

>>7339855
While I won't go through everything, I learnt physical chemistry from:

http://www.amazon.com/Physical-Chemistry-Molecular-Donald-McQuarrie/dp/0935702997/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1434724323&sr=8-1&keywords=physical+chemistry+mcquarrie

As for QM, that was from standard physics undergraduate texts, so Griffiths and the like.

>>7339878
>Being unironically sexist when your graduation rates is almost 50% female.
You're not studying a special snowflake degree, get over it.

>>7339880
Well, McQuarrie is definitely more advanced in quantum and stat mech than Atkin's, but it's treatment of classical thermo is more superficial and that's my complaint in the first place, molecular simulation and QM/SP techniques is not used in standard practice and it doesn't make it more advanced than modern therm chem when you actually want to use PS in modern design. I can promise you that using Griffiths is definitely not the norm for most chemistry programmes, many don't have dedicated QM courses as a core and students rarely take electives that advanced from the physics department. So if true congrats your school's programme is relatively top tier, I'm talking about the average chemistry degree.

>>7339897
>>Being unironically sexist when your graduation rates is almost 50% female
>50%
Oh I didn't realize we're taking gender studies and sociology degrees seriously these days. My bad anon.

>>7339907
I'm bundling "science", talking about the Physics bachelor degree; it's a girls thing whether you want to admit it or not. Have fun dealing with your rampant sexism and other emotional issues. I'm out I can only sooth so much bitter, vitriol and repressed inadequacy issues at a time.

>>7339912
>physics
>a girls thing
Top kek anon.
>20% of BA's
>16% of PhD's
>5% of full professor positions
Can you be any more cucked?

>cosmologist

I'm fucked.

>>7339912
Maybe you shouldn't pull graphs from your gf's psychology image folder. Here's an actual breakdown of the physical sciences.

>>7339897
>many don't have dedicated QM courses as a core

I have literally never seen a chemistry course without QM as a compulsory subject, even at my friends average university he had to take intro to QM (Schrödinger equation, simple potentials, hydrogen atom and spin) followed by "advanced QM" that was all about approximation techniques and application.

>but it's treatment of classical thermo is more superficial

I wouldn't argue with that, but you'd want a dedicated book on such a broad subject.

>>7339922
Oh and by the way. Once you pull stats from the math BA subsection, that line drops to 15% women.

>>7339922
>No source listed while the other graph has an authoritative .gov reference.
>Thinks a BA degree is a science degree.
>Has virgin tier sexism mentality simply can't accept the fact that most women can do his degree.

>>7339936
>thinks a BA degree is a science degree
Oh well then you'll be happy to hear there are even fewer women pursuing higher degrees in physics. Cucked again.

>most women can do his degree
But they realize that their extreme scientific skillsets are better applied towards things like French poetry amirite?

Oh and:
>>reddit/Tumblr your choice

>>7339946
BA = bachelor of arts, it's intro physics then mainly lib. art and business classes.

Not a BSc ( = bachelor of science) which is a more rigorous science.degree dumbass.


Anyway the data in>>7339912 is for BSc degrees.

Your graph has no source and is discarded.

>>7339936
Oh and here's your precious source betafag:
>http://www.aps.org/programs/women/resources/statistics.cfm
Now you can rest easy with your "government confirmation" that women are failures.

>>7339952
>Not a BSc ( = bachelor of science) which is a more rigorous science.degree dumbass.
Hahaha, he actually believes this is the reason. Has your girlfriend really cucked you this badly or are you a cuntwhore yourself? This is women-tier logic. I hope you don't get too triggered.
>women << niggers

>>7339955
>.org

Literally no real person will take that seriously over .gov

>>7339958
>cuntwhore confirmed
I really hope for your sake that you're just trolling me and you're not so dense that you: >were unable to Google "women percentage in physics"
>think aps.org is unreliable
It's 80% likely that you are a women based on your ineptitude. So kill yourself cunt.

any engineering branch. knowing how to suck cocks will come in handy when you have to prostitute yourself for a can of beans.

Most engineers would be quite useless in such a world because most don't know anything about the very basics of their work.

Civil engineering would provide the most useful skills in such a world because in worst case you can still build quite stunning things just with stones and concrete... also water supply.

While modern mechanical engineers would run into a dead end if they don't have access to metals.

>>7336659
not going to college and spending your time actually learning to do useful things

actually scratch that, agronomy. agronomy and spend your free time learning to do useful things instead of dicking around on the internet like a normal college student.

>>7339557
Po-210 has a lower LD50 than cyanide

give me a doctor, a US Marine, a hunter, and a handy-man (carpenter/mechanic)

>>7336929
>horse
bikes my thrilla

Music. Live the life of a traveling bard, cuckolding local warlords.

>>7339957
Haha, what? I'm not him, but it's common knowledge that Bsc's have a more rigorous curriculum. What is the argument here?

>>7340189
It's also much harder to get

>also botulinum

>>7340636
>botulinum
about the same ld50 as Po-210

>>7336686
Have fun chewing on your circuit boards faggot

>>7336795
Wrong thread.

>>7336659
Horticulture

I'm a heavy equipment mechanic considering getting a mechanical engineering degree in 10-15 years
how am I doing ?

>>7339963
m8 why are you so mad? I just checked his data from the National Center for Education Statistics <span class="math">^{[1]}[/spoiler] and his data is correct, for bachelors degrees (4 year long Bachelors in Science, not art) the percentage is indeed just over 40% for Physics. This is compared to 17% for engineering. Physics has MORE THAN DOUBLE the female gradation rates of engineering.

In addition I checked the postgraduate data. Doctor's degrees conferred to females in the 2011-12 period:
>Physics
1,761 <span class="math">^{[2]}[/spoiler] / 5,370 <span class="math">^{[3]}[/spoiler] = 32.8%

>Engineering (All disciplines)
1,952 <span class="math">^{[2]}[/spoiler] /8,722 <span class="math">^{[3]}[/spoiler] = 22.4%

So even at a postgraduate level still one third of Physics graduates are female compared to one in five for engineering.

If you wanted misogynistic elitism you should've done engineering. There's a reason the gay engineer meme exists, but there are no gay physics memes; because physics is nearly 50% female like most normal degrees.

In addition I compared numbers from the enrollment table for comparison of the completion rates.

>Engineering (All disciplines)
81,382 <span class="math">^{[4]}[/spoiler] / 697 000 <span class="math">^{[5}[/spoiler] = 11.68 %
>Physics
26,663 <span class="math">^{[4]}[/spoiler] / 140 000 <span class="math">^{[5}[/spoiler] = 19.05 %

Physics has nearly DOUBLE the graduation rates of engineering.

>References
>---------------

1. http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/2013menu_tables.asp
2. Table 324.35. Doctor's degrees conferred to females by postsecondary institutions, by race/ethnicity and field of study: 2010-11 and 2011-12
3. Table 324.25. Doctor's degrees conferred by postsecondary institutions, by race/ethnicity and field of study: 2010-11 and 2011-12
4. Table 322.10. Bachelor's degrees conferred by postsecondary institutions, by field of study: Selected years, 1970-71 through 2011-12
5. Table 311.90. Graduate enrollment in science and engineering programs in degree-granting postsecondary institutions, by discipline: Fall 1999 through fall 2011

>>7341813
In conclusion, if you want to be an elitist prick online, at least do a degree that actually warrants elitism. Physics is a fairly typical degree, it's not special snowflake all.

The real numbers are even wider because those engineering groupings include "easy" disciplines like Industrial, environmental engineering etc.

>>7336659
politics.

STEM majors wouldn't survive because they have shitty interpersonal skills and would be shunned by their fellow survivors.

People who are strong, crafty, and work well with others have the best shot of surviving.

MechE and EE together could rebuild the world.

>>7342111

>>7336744
The fuck did you smoke? First you'll need the basics from theoretical computer science and then you could go into a compiler design lecture. Most lectures on compilers are deserted, though. So, nothing 1st semester, maybe 5th or 6th.

>>7336910
>have a PhD in Agricultural Science
>all those smug plebs ignores you because you're not 'real' science
>post apocalyptic scenario
>you know how to produce food
>those smug plebs come to you

People with Agricultural Science would still win in any scenario. They have the most efficient (efficiency in the sense of getting a product done in the shortest amount of time possible) way of providing a way to reorganize a social structure based on needs and mandate a set of rules. Sure you can survive on a few days worth of packaged food, but in the end you're human and one of your conditions is food consumption.

Engineers would come in 2nd place. Assuming that most of the equipment they need to build a device that they want is still available. Knowledge is no problem to them, it's applying that knowledge to real world scenarios in an efficient way is when it becomes a problem. Also, because the devices that they will make will be needed to protect the group and advance into establishing a more solid stream of social operations.

Chem/Biochem/Bio would be 3rd. Really everyday life can be maintained at more or less the same standard as before (i.e. water supply) but the main point of those 3 degrees is to have a solid foundation for medicine. IMO, most of the chemistry you would need for everyday life, assuming that you finished an undergrad in any practical STEM field, is already taught at the 1st - 2nd years.

>>7336686
>STEM degrees only please

I don't think you understand how much of an exact science agriculture has really become. It's basically just applied chemistry in conjunction with the old-fashioned preconception of farming.

>>7336663
does environmental engineer count?

why would you want to keep on living, just kill yourself an be down with it before some new post apocalyptic warlord enslaves you and either your ass becomes his new favorite toy or he tortures you to death

>>7336659
Psychology
>inb4 bait

Depends on scale of apocalypse.

Top 2 levels (total devastation of everything):
Scale: Totally fucked
Degree: chemistry. Or whatever that taught you how to get clean water out of literal shit.


Scale: It could be worse
Degree: Biology. IF water is not a problem you need to know what you can eat.

Mid-tier fucked-up (everything in ruins but enough leftovers):
Electronics (Communication = GOD)

Low tier fucked-up (partially intact infrastructures and societies):
Computers

>>7336663
>Thinking you need to know that much to grow food
If you are growing to sell, sure, but if you want to live off it, you don't need to really know shit. And if you don't know anything a small book will get you covered. Right now in Syria, in Hasaka, they are looking for engineers. They have plenty of food because there's a lot of farmland. Assuming you don't live in a shithole, theres probably food growing all around you. Engineers are needed to maintain some quality of life when it all goes to shit. Also, yeah, chemistry. The Kobane canton is only at 5% oil output according to very recent YPG figures. This is due to a lack of chemicals/ chemical engineers to refine the oil. Also any medical personnel are worth their weight in gold.
tl'dr
Anybody who isn't a total fucking retard should be able to grow food. Now anybody can fix power stations, refine oil, build technicals,fix radios,treat bullet wounds ect. You aren't trying to survive a shtf, you are trying to end it. Either you manage to rebuild society, like the YPG, you leave like the Syrians who fled to Turkey when the IS took Tel Abyad, or you die.