/sci/ - Science & Math

The only correct answer:
1. Aerospace Engineering
2. Mathematics
3. Nuclear Engineering
4. Physics
5. Electrical Engineering
6. Mechanical Engineering
7. Chemical Engineering
8. Computer Engineering
9. Chemistry
10. Computer Science
11. Biology

>>7339784
1. Nuclear Engineering Master Race
2. Chemical Engineering Master Race
3. Aerospace Engineering Master Race
4. Electrical Engineering Master Race
5. Mechanical Engineering Master Race
6. Mathematics Master Race
7. Physics Master Race
8. Computer Engineering
9. Computer Science
10. Geophysics

>>7339750
>>7339784
Both horribly wrong.

1. Physics
2. Mathematics
3. Chemistry
4. Electrical Engineering
5. Mechanical Engineering
6. Chemical Engineering
7. Nuclear Engineering
8. Aerospace Engineering
9. Computer Engineering
10. Computer Science
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Graham's Number. Biology

>>7339750
b-but where is civil engineering?

>>7339794
lolno

What are these tiers even judging? How hardcore you appear to 12 year olds?

>>7339811
get out my face with that fake shit

>>7339823
>anally blasted engineer
Oh wait, that's kind of redundant.

>>7339840
Variety of factors. How interesting the subject is, how relevant the knowledge is for the real world, career opportunities and general satisfaction

>>7339794
>Physics #1

>>7339847
I wonder how it feels to know that your degree is only used as a power gap ruse to insult other superior engineering degrees in major politics.

>>7339750

1. Biochemistry/ Molecular Biology/ Biotechnology/ Genetics/ Biomedical Science
2. Materials Science
3. Condensed Matter Physics
4. Biomechatronics/ EE
5. Nanotechnology
6. Other Engineering/ Physics/ Chemistry
7.Mathematics
8. Computer Science
9. Biology
10. Astronomy

>>7339750
> 1. Mathematics
> 2. Biology
master bait

>>7339859
I wonder whether you actually believe the stuff you write. You'll have to confront your delusions one day. They're going to bottle up until you seriously harm yourself or others one of these days. That's what happened with that Dylann Roof kid. In fact I bet you already cry yourself to sleep every night without understanding why.
>I know why anon

>>7339856
Theoretical physics, man.

>Everyone putting computer science at the bottom
Top kek

How do you determine this? By how interesting it is or how useful? I find astronomy/astrophysics to the the coolest shit ever but it ins't going to get you a job

>>7339881
It's a bad degree for dumb people who couldn't cut it in Math, Science or Engineering. Anyone who does those 3 can easily learn a programming language and do whatever a CS student does better

>>7339887
>repeating memes
yeah okay, all those CS students at stanford, MIT and waterloo were just too dumb to make it studying civil engineering at generic state school #19485

>>7339893
>Comparing CS at the best universities to Engineering at generic state schools
Yeah sounds about right. Seems like you already know the truth unconsciously.

>>7339887
I'm guessing you're not really familiar with CS degrees. It has little to do with programming and more to do with the design and theory of computers, algorithms, logic, performance, software/hardware interactions.

>>7339870
That post is so detailed you can only be projecting from experience.

I'm sorry anon I know it can be difficult, but please don't go around shooting some innocent people. One day, if you work really hard, you can be accepted in the engineering college and then you will know joy when people finally start taking you seriously.

>>7339909
>projecting from experience
Of course I am. My experience of talking with you.

>>7339750
1. Mathematics
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POWER GAP
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2. Physics
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HUGE POWER GAP
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3. Engineering/Chemistry/
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POWER GAP
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4. Biology & everything else

If ya really want to know
1. Math
2. Physics
3. Engineering
4. Computer Science
5. Chemistry
6. Biology
7. Geology
8. Astronomy
9. Everything not listed

>>7339870

1. Engineering
2. Computer
3. Medical
4. Math
5. Everything else, not even worth mentioning

>>7339750
Both electrical engineering and computer science are on the list but not computer engineering?
Computer engineering is basically a mash up of the most important content from both computer science and electrical engineering.

Also kek at plant science.

Everyone who list CS anywhere near the bottom has never really known what the fuck is CS even about and think that CS = coding.
kek.
Being a CSfag myself, I still think that Math > Physics > CS though, and then there is the rest.
Here are some good points about CS:
>No toxic
>Easy to make money
>Generally easy to get the basic (you need to work your ass off to clime higher though, because the field is crowded with Idians and Chineses).
>Learning how to code is a benefit to pretty much EVERY OTHER MAJOR.

Here are some weak points anyway:
>Most of the tasks are boring
>Lab equipments are only computers. Maybe some robots, some drones and that's it.
>Easy to make money, but harder to make a big amount of money too.
>The field is fucking crowded so a lot of competition in every fucking subfields.

>>7339750
These lists are purely emotional reasoning. Bias and pretentious.

I invite everyone to look at it as an unordered list.
- Mathematics
- Biology
- Electrical Engineering
- Physics
- Chemistry
- Nuclear Engineering
- Mechanical Engineering
- Plant Science
- Astronomy
- Computer Science
- others not listed

Realize that all fields are interesting/useful, and no one is stopping you from being educated in all.

>>7340179
pretty much this, no need to be fancy about it...

>source: professional physicist who resorts to doing hard math from time to time

As a CS major, CS is 6-10 range. You can't really compare it to things like Math, Physics, Nuclear/Chemical/Aerospace/Biomedical/Electrical Engineering and the multiple biologies (Biochemistry/ Molecular Biology/ Biotechnology/ Genetics/ Biomedical Science). A CS degree is basically a small section of an applied math degree. The only real benefit is the flourishing job market, which will soon deminish. If CS wasnt such a cash cow major many people wouldnt even have it in a top 10.

>>7339750
I'm only concerned with money

Who makes the most money?

>>7340225
>Learning how to code is a benefit to pretty much EVERY OTHER MAJOR.
Yes, we all manage it without needing a degree in CS though. Kind of makes it irrelevant.

>No toxic
?

>Easy to make money
It's even easier when you're not competing against curry and noodles that work £0.50/hour.

1. Math
2. Physics
3. Engineering
4. Medical
5. Chemistry
6. Computer Science
7. Everything else
8.Bio

>>7339791
put phys over math and EE over aero and thats a pretty solid ranking

So many people hating on biology (geneticist here).
I though we were cool

>>7340319
Assholes

Is EE really harder than Aero? I'm studying EE and I always got the impression that Aero was harder (even though it's just an off-shoot of ME).

>>7340371
how do i get my degree in assholemenship?

>>7340363
call us when you event plasmids that give us super powers.

>>7340376
A BS/BA from a pretentious undergrad and an MBA from Harvard should do the trick.

>>7340390
so wallstreet is the way to go to make money?

who would have guessed.

>>7340375
Might depend on the school. At my uni (world top 10) it's considered the hardest undergrad degree.

We have the longest hours, the most exams, and massive fucking courseloads.

>>7340400
probably only because you don't offer nuclear engineering

What's the ranking of engineering disciplines?
I'd say
>nuclear
>chemical
>electrical/computer
>biomedical
>mech
>civil
...
>industrial bullshit

>>7340400
are you talking about aero or ee

>>7340418
not him but he's talking about EE. only on /sci/ do people consider aero harder than EE. though nuclear the true master race

>>7339877
im doing theoretical physics

>>7340326
>curry and noodles

>>7340342
>physics over math

What is physics without math?

nothing

>>7340543
physicists creates the math they need anyway.

>>7340543
lel not. math is a useful tool but alone it is shit tier

Mathematical physics master race

Have you accepted string theory as your lord and savior?

>>7339811

>>7340400
>massive fucking courseloads
What did you expect in engineering

ctrl+f statistics
>nothing

tf guys

>>7339750

>all this engineering bullshit
>STEM
it seems really unbalanced to me
especially since most of you prioritize salary, which is the 100% wrong reason to ever go to university and study anything

>no one ever lists earth/planetary sciences

>>7339863
I can't find a problem with this to be entirely honest.

>>7341220
that's geology and astronomy level

>>7341216
it's called math

>>7341253

>Geology major
who does this
fuckin stupid

>>7339750
I have a bach in computer science, and a masters in biology

Where do I fit

>>7341255
non-delusional people who want to study planetary science

>>7340387
those physics faggots still can't teleport things or time travel. 2000+ years of research and all for what? fucking string theory

>tfw electrical engineering
>tfw master race

>>7341269

and then....?

>>7339854
It's still fuckin stupid. How can you rank these fields so arbitrarily when the individual fields are so massive?

Math, Bio and CS are all huge fields with tons of variance and significant difference between the sub-disciplines.

Even just comparing two fields (let's say bio and CS), do you rank them by comparing project leads at google and tech silicon valley entrepreneurs with high-school biology teachers?

Or do you compare a molecular biology post-doc doing gene therapy research at a multibillion dollar biotech firm with some java-pasting code-monkey doing in-house software for Dunder Mifflin?

ITT: Freshman

>>7339863
>CE implied to be lower than CS

CS is literally only people who want to make games, code monkeys, and like 2% people who are actually interested in the field outside of job opportunities

>>7341284
profit

>>7339750
>>7339784
>>7339791
>>7339794
>>7339823
>>7339863
>>7340239

Confirmed /sci/ is 80% engineers.

OFFICIAL TIER LIST
1. Neuroscience / Cognitive Science
2. Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning
3. Mathematics / Physics / Theoretical Physics
4. Elec. Eng / Comp. Eng / Aero Eng / Nuke Eng
5. Mech Eng. / Chem Eng. / Nanotechnology
6. Biotechnology / Biomechatronics
7. Computer Science (Actual theory and research, not codemonkey Software Eng.)
8. Astronomy
9. Biology
10. Philosophy / Psychology

>>7339750
Recall, CS has more impact than all the above fields. No one of your carrers have sense without the breakthroughs of computer scientists. Even this page could not be possible without computer science, even the entire internet. Hence:

1. Math
2. Computer Science
3. Physics

>>7341336
>mathematics below neuroscience and AI

pls

>>7341339
>Not putting the science of how you can even fucking comprehend mathematics above mathematics

pls

>>7341336
Are you stupid?...

>2. Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning
>7. Computer Science (Actual theory and research, not codemonkey Software Eng.)

Machine learning is a subfield of Computer Science.

>>7341343
>AI
>Don't bring up Kurzweil.

>>7341343
I don't see computer science above mathematics in that chart.

>any major at a shit school
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SHIT

1. Machine Learning
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ShinichiMochizukiquantipleplex. Every other major

>>7341345
>>7341350

I understand that AI and Machine Learning is a subtopic of CS. The CS I listed as 7 assumes that AI and Machine Learning are not included, and that CS covers more of its core research, such as optimization, data structures, data manipulation, and data manipulation.

>>7341348
I'm familiar with Kurzweil. I didn't mention him because it didn't really tie into my tier list in terms of relevance.

>>7341298
You're fucking stupid. We're not comparing people . We're comparing fields.

>>7341218
People study engineering because they actually want to use science for a living and get to work on cool large scale projects.

Most people in pure science and math never become good enough to have a research career and either have non-STEM careers or end up teaching high-school etc.

There's literally no reason to not study science unless you are overly eager to get raped by the academia scam. It's not about salary, it never was.

>>7339791
>>7340342
Agreed.

THE OFFICIAL, NON-NEGOTIABLE ULTIMATE TIER LIST:

1. Nuclear Engineering Master Race
2. Chemical Engineering Master Race
3. Electrical Engineering Master Race
4. Aerospace Engineering Master Race
5. Mechanical Engineering Master Race
6. Physics Master Race
7. Mathematics Master Race
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>~Power gap~
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8. Computer Engineering
9. Computer Science
10. Geophysics

1. math
2. physics
3. astronomy
4. meteorology
5. chemistry
6. biology
8. engineering
9. geology
10. ecology

>Geology, Geophysics barely ever mentioned, never above halfway

sad frogs.

It's not too late for me to switch to a full maths major. Thoughts?

>>7341782
>Thoughts?
Don't be stupid enough to be influenced by meme spouting cucks and stick to the more lucrative and prestigious Geo degree.

Ppl who think compsci=only coding are fucking retarded.

And software engineering isnt being a codemonkey you inbred fuck.

>>7341818
It's because they go to shitty schools where IT degrees are given a CS coat paint to trick idiots into the programme.

>>7341358
>data manipulation
congratulations for describing every subfield of CS and CS itself.

Cut out all the non-STEM majors and take the first 10

>>7340239
>biology above physics
>a specialized physics course above general physics

I know you went for the le EE good life meme, but seriously get some sense of reality, mate.

>>7341841
>GRE

But engineering students don't take GREs because they already have lucrative job offers and getting into engineering grad-school is effortless (because there is enough funding and places for everyone that applies).

Obviously Physics and Math will have better scores because they are desperate to get into a good grad school to be employable. Grad school is the best physics/math bachelor graduates can hope for while the best engineering graduates take the 100k starting jobs.

Notice also how high philosophy, english and other garbage degrees with no employment prospects are.

>>7341841
This is the only correct listing ITT. Physics indeed houses the most inteligent, resourceful and knowledgable people. Mathfags are welcome beside us too.

>>7341853
That exactly as much as estimate of intelligence as this article is a real representation of degree difficulty:

http://www.thebestcolleges.org/top-10-easiest-and-hardest-college-degree-majors/

This thread is cancer

>>7341850
>source: my smegma ridden dick

Oh boy, are you gonna get surprised when some physicsfag with Ph.D is gonna fuck you in the ass every day on site while you basically toil around being nothing more than a mere extolled electrician.

>>7341841
Is philosophy an honorary stem degree

>>7341841
Engineers are almost always faggots.
I agree with this list though

>>7341855
Math and compsci ez? Business and social sciences hard? What a shitty list

>>7341859
People who get Ph.D's in physics have been in academia so long they are undesirable as a hire. They can get consultant work, but it's rare for them to leave academia for engineering work. This is true for most Ph.D's.

>>7341859
God your delusion is probably real. In industry Physics PhDs are lab monkeys unless they also got an engineering bachelors at some point, they aren't legally allowed to sign off on anything in engineering. Even if you own your company you have to suck a real engineers dick every day to sign off on anything you want to build/sell. You literally have to pay me 80k+ just for my signature because you were too stupid to study a professional degree in undergrad.

>>7341864
>compszi ez
IT easy

OFFICIAL NON NEGOTIABLE PASSED DOWN FROM THE HEAVENS POWER TIERS

>1. The degree I'm studying
>2. Some other stuff I thought looked good

POWER GAP

>3. Shit I'm not interested in
>4. Shit I think is dumb
>5. The guy who stole my crush studied this

POWER GAP

>6. Biology
>7. Computer science

Prove me wrong

>>7341864
It's based on grades and dropout rates, even that is a less retarded methodology than trying to convert irrelevant shit like GRE scores to IQ because the former includes the entire data site.

>>7341868
Don't get me wrong, I admire your tenacity, but didn't you get sick of having your shit pushed in during the post apocalypse thread?

>>7341866
>>7341868

>engineers this buttflustered

You faggots should intern in companies like Continental, ABB, Siemens etc. from time to time and see for yourself who actually works at the top positions. Our divison manager had Ph.D. in Physics and most of the upper management in R&D more often than not have a degree in physics, material sciences, chem etc. Engineers are literally used only in lower-middle tier positions or on-site jobs where they basically do the same shit technicians do (and sometimes even less). You're in for a big surprise if you thought just having a engi undergrad will get you that top tier 100k smooth sailing job.

>>7341872
Nigger, I have not even begin yet.

I was successfully rusing 5 retards in that thread and I will continue to ruse ever more.


Just you wait anon, I'm working on something big, the butthurt will reach unprecedented proportions.

>>7341876
>Anecdotes with no citations

While my anecdotes say only professional engineers do technical management at most companies, I also have cold hard facts to back up my statements:
http://content.spencerstuart.com/sswebsite/pdf/lib/2005_CEO_Study_JS.pdf#nameddest=edu
http://engineering.curiouscatblog.net/2006/05/10/top-degree-for-sp-500-ceos-engineering/

>Most top 500 CEOs are engineers, followed closely by business and economics. Science is lowest on the list and none held a math degree.

Nice try though.

>>7341876
>companies like Continental, ABB, Siemens
Continental CEO: Studied Aerospace engineering then manufacturing engineering
ABB CEO: Ph.D in economics, Masters in Business Admin and engineering, headed Automation(with no physics Ph.D btw)
Siemens CEO: Business Admin

0/3 on Physics, chem, material sciences

7/10 I was baited well

>>7341879
I don't think you understand what ruse means

>>7341890
Why bother? The retards were too stupid to get into an engineering programme, they're going to be too stupid to discipline their minds enough to accept facts that would shatter their delusion.

>>7340400
Haha silly child

>he thinks lots of work = hardest work

>>7340225
The problem comes from the US term CS, we call it Informatics which makes much more sense. It is about information systems and their studies.

And by the way, coding is a very serious science now, coding as in designing robust and "perfect system". Most huge research is made in automatic proof too, this is where you see many Turings Awards working etc.

Is it too bad that I know my favorite field isn't super important but I don't act as if it is? I mean, these threads are always people trying to prove to others that their choices are objectively better. As if they don't have any other accomplishments in life and need to prove to themselves they are worth something.

1. computer science
nth... the rest

enjoy doing anything significant without the apps with build, "scientists" lol

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>>7339863
Biochemistry and molecular biology comprehensive undergrad is my major. Can I feel smug yet sci?

>>7339811

>>7341772
> 4. Meteorology

No.

>>7341816
Don't worry it's 300k starting

>>7341870
U are good at finding patterns are u an mathophysics??

Let's say I want to be a Cryptanalyst, what degree would I obtain?

>>7339750
>>7339784
>>7339791
>>7339794
>9
>>7339863
>>7340173
>>7340179
>>7340209
>>7340239
>>7340338
>>7340416
Chem is top nigger

>>7342265
Well, biochemistry master race is who will rule the world in the coming decades, so yes. Feel smug with me.

>1. Math
I like this meme

>>7343218
Fuck.
Yes.

>>7340416
in terms of what? research? Pay? Jobs?
Each discipline has its ups and downs and differences.

>>7343403
>>7343218

Kickass

>>7339883
Astronomy/astrophysics majors have the lowest unemployment rate of any field. http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/04/news/economy/jobs-lowest-unemployment/

>>7340363
Microbiologist here

Feels sad man

>>7339750
What about the Mathematical technical software engineer?

>>7341846
>cant into reading comprehension

So how are you guys capable of rating all the various degrees?

Or is that one of the "my subject" > all the other ones in a random order

Mathematical Physics (those guys are wizards)
Mathematics
Physics
Chemistry
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ROTE MEMORISATION GAP
---------------------------------------------
Electrical and Aeronautical Engineering
Biology
CS
Mech Eng
Chem Eng and Civil

and no I wasn't a maths or mathematical physics undergrad before you ask .

>>7343778
>getting a degree in being a code monkey

Shit tier

>>7343872
Chemistry has a lot more rote memorization than any engineering, Math Phys are not wizards compared to pure math it's more simplistic, you're retarded and you don't understand any of those fields.

>>7339750
1. Engineering management
2. Computer Science
3. Physics

What these lists fails to acknowledge is that science is incredibly interdisciplinary. Take biology, for instance; biochemistry, biophysics, mathematical biology, computational biology, bioinformatics, and so on are all branches of biology.

>>7344346
Did you expect that a buch of high schooler knows anything?

>crypto fucking nowhere

come on, guys

I like Mechanical Engineering.

It gives you many options to work as engineer or going the applied science route.

>>7339750
but degrees in Physics alone are useless

>>7340548
you do know everything used in physics (complex numbers/quaternions, group theory, basically everything einstein needed) was invented hundreds of years before anyone needed that shit

>>7341336
> Mathematics / Physics / Theoretical Physics
why are they together
pls don't

>>7344459
crypto is math, isn't it?