/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7312954
Depression

>>7312957
Thanks for the uh...succinct answer...

>>7312954
math is everywhere in everything always

depression and anxiety

>>7312982
Do you take the time to calculate everything around you? Every potential action, every possibility, every metric? Do you dream in Math?
>>7312985
Ignorance is truly bliss eh? Just curious but what exactly is making you guys so down? Did you come across some revelation that the majority of the world doesn't know?

>>7312991
It is just depressing how better off the world could be if everyone was just slightly more educated.

>>7312991
it's more that I think myself crazy
racing thoughts, sensory overload...it's very hard to get a bit of peace. I can't sleep except in near-total darkness because if I can resolve images, I've got something to observe and my brain just doesn't let go.

>>7312954
lol this thread

i guess the question got changed to how is it being autistic

>>7313012
Are all geniuses autistic?

>>7313025
No. But according to the media they are.

>>7313012
Depression is a legitimate result of being a genius.

>>7313038

How come people who are smart have a personality of being assholes? I had two professors who had PhDs and had tenure at my CC that I go to. They were hard graders, rude to their students, and just had complete assholes.

>>7313042
I've noticed that people of higher intelligence are pretty condescending as well.

I think of myself as being smart because I've figured out a way to effectively trick myself into thinking I'm happy all the time. It works because I'm happy all the time and I'm totally oblivious to the kinds of things that change that for most people. Also I've always generally been good at the kinds of things people associate with being smart. I don't think you can be unhappy and intelligent. If you're unhappy, you aren't even smart enough to solve your personal problems. And that's just ignorant.

>>7313038
lol no

look up any study and find it's the opposite

>>7313044
This is a post worthy of dubs. That's a unique take on things I haven't heard before.

>>7312954
Why don't you go find them and ask them? You'll find none of them here.

>>7313050
SAVAGE!

>>7313042
Well, the smart people who aren't assholes... you usually don't know they're smart. They do their best to fit in and don't feel the need to show anything off.

e.g. My little brother almost got put into special ed in high school because all of the teachers thought he was severely retarded. Yet when I was 18, which would make him 11, he picked up the first year physics homework I'd thrown on the table when I got home and did it all in the time it took me to have a shower and grab a couple of cookies. Little bastard taught himself SR from my dad's old textbooks because his bike was broken one Sunday afternoon and he didn't have money to go get a new sprocket or whatever. Yet... he got recommended for special ed because that's what made him fit in.

>>7313056
>SR
Synchronizing Resources?

>>7312954
I once god mad and was able to mildly imagine/hallucinate everything around me as binary numbers. The leaves on tree were all constellation of decimal, binary and complex numbers. They were changing shapes and suddenly the root of the tree was sending me signals to focus down there and I saw a small snake; harmless, cute and binary. The whole day I was reading random automata book and watching the spectacular mathematical incarnation of reality. I wasn't drunk or anything.

>>7313060
Spector audiometry.

>>7313081
Spectroradiometry.

>>7312954
I'm probably not among the "higher-tiers of enlightenment", but I like sharing my world view. I'm a passionate amateur astronomy and I think looking at the stars every night always puts things in perspective for me. I don't agree with everyone saying "being smart = being depressed", everyday I just think my god what a privilege to be alive. Also what a glorious time to be. To have the legitimate answers to such big questions of our place in the universe and why we're here and how the world around us is the way it is, I find to be, perpetually awe-inspiring. Or more superficially we can have pretty much anything we want when we want it and don't have to worry about just survival. So I'm pretty much happy all the time. And I also find it very exciting everything we don't know, like imagine the sheer complexity of the most fundamental laws governing the fact we're talking over the internet right now, it must be complex beyond measure, and the fact I don't understand them at all does not detract from the fact I get to experience them, which I find cool for some reason. Anyway, I'm gonna have pulled pork for dinner, life's good.

>>7313009
You're not super intelligent you're just autistic

>>7313097
I know it's super first world to say all that but I've never experienced any different so I can't comment on how others have it.

>>7312954
>“We go about our daily lives understanding almost nothing of the world. We give little thought to the machinery that generates the sunlight that makes life possible, to the gravity that glues us to an earth that would otherwise send us spinning off into space...” (Carl Sagan)

>" ... he asked the oracle to tell him whether there was anyone wiser than I was, and the Pythian prophetess answered that there was no man wiser. Chaerephon is dead himself, but his brother, who is in court, will confirm the truth of this story. Why do I mention this? Because I am going to explain to you why I have such an evil name. When I heard the answer, I said to myself, What can the god mean? and what is the interpretation of this riddle? for I know that I have no wisdom, small or great" (Socrates).

>"I have no special talents; I am only passionately curious" (Albert Einstein)

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJWPFYygGPc

>all this use of material and energy
>unoptimized and wasted
>how much we fuck nature over
>lol what is sustainability
Humanity is going to crash and burn.

>>7313100
I'm on the high-functioning part (formerly called Asperger's) of the autistic spectrum, yes. I dunno if I'm super-intelligent, but I'm pretty damn smart in certain respects. Mostly analytical stuff, pattern-recognition, stuff like that. I don't have the best open-ended creative thinking capabilities, and I'm terribad at reading social situations as per the stereotype of autists.
Lemme put it this way: I did minimal test prep (took literally one practice test and nothing else), completed the GRE in less than 3 hours without any breaks, and aced both multiple-choice sections (pic related).
The autism contributes to the intelligence; that's not universal by any means, but it's not uncommon either.

>all of this material and energy within reach
>just waiting for us to harness it
>how much we will change the universe
>an empire that will last for eternity
Humanity is going to conquer the stars.

I would also like to mention and emphasize the fact that there. are. people. suffering. and if by dying and coming back we will somehow be able to show that the afterlife is not painful at all (and it would be pointless to try and avoid a painful afterlife by not committing suicide as a painful afterlife could be caused by anything including dying a natural death) then we are morally obligated to die and see if the afterlife really is pain-free.

I suggest that the person who came back may be able to do signs and miracles perhaps to show that they're statements about the afterlife is true.

When I compare myself to the people around me, I feel like a genius.

But when I look at people who have actually accomplished something, I feel like a fucking idiot. I imagine successful people are inherently optimistic in some way. The energy required to commit yourself with fervor to a pursuit that could fail and be an embarrassment takes a certain degree of irrational optimism. Every PhD thesis, every start up business, every radical new theory could be bullshit, so to commit years of your life to it is lunacy. But people do it and they are the winners.

>>7313838
>I'm pretty damn smart in certain respects. Mostly analytical stuff
>scores 80th percentile in analytical writing

>>7313885
>Every PhD thesis, every start up business, every radical new theory could be bullshit, so to commit years of your life to it is lunacy.
I agree with this part but not the rest. These "winners" are usually just people who have pragmatic or ideological uses.

In my experience the smartest people in history are aesthetes.
>"Only as an aesthetic product can the world be justified to all eternity."
So basically the monks, then the aristocrats, now the hippies/NEETs. The people whose whole life was just to appreciate the best aesthetic products life (and naturally, man) has to offer. Even the producers of that art, the artists are mere slaves to the ideological whims of critics and then the appreciation of the audience (the best members of the audience are usually critics themselves though).

>>7313060
Don't be that pleb. It was strontium homework, obviously.

>>7313901
The GRE writing part is pretty BS and totally unimportant. From what I remember it is actually scored by computers which is kind of weird. The distribution of grades for it is also pretty wonky and is like a tailed normal distribution with most people getting a <2 I think with 6 as the max. The above 5 scores are very rare.

This thread is sad

>>7312954
So you want to be enlightened OP?

Here's some great videos to help you on your great journey to ultimate enlightenment. https://www.youtube.com/user/thespiritscience

>>7312957
>>7312985
>>7312995
>>7313038
When someone says that depression is a result of being intelligent, it means he isn't very intelligent. Just a rule of thumb for you all.

>>7312995
education doesn't turn people white/east asian

>>7314088
So?

I think happy, therefore I am.

>>7313838
I was diagnosed with Aspergers at a young age myself, and oddly enough my Reading/Writing ability far surpasses my Analytical ability. Go figure...

164 on the WAIS-IV here.

Being intelligent isn't anything special as far as daily living goes. Yes "personal problems" are scaled and handled better, and yes it is sort of a "higher plane" of existing relative to lower tier IQs because of a more abstract understanding of things, but it's probably not as mysterious or as magical as you think.

I think the biggest thing is that I'm smarter than almost everyone I talk to or meet day-to-day in real life, and this sort of makes people seem fake or predictable (like a computer program) sometimes.

Also, when you get to a certain IQ, people can tell you're smart just by how you think and talk - even if you're not trying to show it off at all - and your "smartness" becomes the single largest thing that people use to identify you, which can be annoying sometimes.

But yeah it's nothing magical.

>>7314088
Lol'd
>>7312995
Also this

1) You're always angry at other people.

2) Sometimes you begin to trust someone, then they slip back into gossip/drama/bitching shit, and you hate yourself for letting it happen.

3) It's really rare to find people who are actually deeply emotional and/or processing-capable, vs just rote-rote-rote people that do learn a lot, but suck at thinking.

4) You get really sick of people being insecure or whatever, when they start instructing you to do stupidly fucking obvious things. Worse, when you're literally paid to do something, and five minutes before you're supposed to do it, someone comes by and tells you what to do. I've started giving people shit over it, because it's fucking retarded and insulting.

5) Depression's been mentioned already, but that's a big thing. You know you could understand things, but enjoyment and motivation don't follow being intelligent. What's worse is the more you understand, the more disappointing everything else gets. It's sorta like climbing a mountain, only to find all the other mountains around are smaller.

>>7314172
The more intelligent you are the higher expectations you are expected to meet. Ignorance is truly bliss, even if you're only feigning it...

>>7312954

Ignorance is a bliss. If you think about something too much, you might arrive at some depressing conclusions. I know I have.

But on the other side, it's a good feeling knowing you've gained more insight than most people. And you can talk endlessly about complex matters with other smart people.

>>7312954
When I realized I was intelligent, I used it to my advantage to bring forth everything I had into the world and use it in a positive and meaningful way which lightened up the experience for all travelers to see and gaze at while marveling star-structuredly at the metaphoric sky with each star representing a point within our understanding of human cultures and our definitions of what we perceive as genuine, whilst some of us do not perceive them as genuinely false but have also claimed to fall out of the common trench of Mariana where the fish sleep and the old ones slumber, waiting for the calling to come upon the world and

I feel like this thread has brought about a new meme...

>>7312954
It feels like a lot of noise in your brain and super kick ass when you take amphetamines

>>7312954
I can't relate to anybody around me so instead I work all the time.
I act like a dumb ass to most people so they don't ask me my opinion or how to spell simple words.
I don't maintain relationships with females unless they are only sexual, because they are all whores.
I have no friends to speak of; also life is a nonstop nightmare. Most people really have no idea what is going on within governments and intelligence agencies and no one seems to care. It's interesting honestly.
>Reality is so fucked
It's okay I usually burst out into laughter for no reason in public over cringe worthy stuff like this, everyone thinks I'm a sociopath / psychopath or a retard. But I don't give a fuck what people think, most people spend all day thinking about TV reruns and the new iPhone adds. I often get frustrated over my mediocre living conditions and wages and smoke weed because of it. But I should be able to retire by 30 or so it's all good.
Also I can read people very easily, I can also predict human behavior for the most part. I can also usually predict someones response to a question so relationships get kind of boring fast unless it's with people with multi faceted personalities.

>>7315876
psssh nothin personnel kid

It's lonely at the top

>>7315911
Then join us at the bottom.

So much cringe, guys.

>>7315941
Wow did you draw that?

>>7315954
Um, yeah. Just thought the expression fit.

>>7315972
Didn't know /sci/fags had any capability in the art department.

>>7315985
It's not even that good, but I'll take what I can get. Thanks ^_^

>>7313081
>>7313083
Sphincter reduction? I love how some people automatically assume you know random acronyms only they are familiar with.

>high tiers of enlightenment
>near-constant bliss
>occasional existential anxiety re: how being is out of nothing

>>7314172
This sounds like low-tier enlightenment. Still as ego-driven as ever. intelligence is not enlightenment.

I'd say you define intelligence first, and then we'll talk about the "experience" OP.

OP, I'm assuming you mean enlightened to knowledge of the underpinnings of the universe as we know them and higher mathematics, which comes with such an understanding.

Contrary to what others said in this thread, being enlightened in such a way is an endowment which brings a flurry of feelings hard to describe. If I were to sum it up with one feeling, it would be that of feeling connected.

Though minuscule in comparison to grand universal bodies, we are the very products which have essentially been forged and sustain our being. We humans, and all creatures, are the persevering force of the universe giving life to itself. It took a million super-massive suns to spawn the ingredients which constitute your being.

Though apathy may come in waves, we cannot lose our awe of the universe, ourselves. There is a purpose, if we make one.

>>7312995
this

>>7312954
but i dont really focus on the world around me, i tend to only focus on the things I'm doing. I don't feel depressed, but I suppose I'm always bored.
I feel like it is like
>Ignorance is bliss
but i'm not sure how

>>7316031
OP here. To clear things up my intention was to get insight on intelligence, not enlightenment. Sorry for the confusion.

>>7314056
you would know, because of how intelligent you are

>>7313044
good for you.
for me this idea is a big part of my depression: if i really was so smart, i should have figured out by now how to be happy, but im not. That makes me even more depressed.
How did you do it?
>trick yourself into beeing happy?

Not the brightest spark here, not in thinking fast on my feet. But various people throughout my life have called me a deep thinker, a description that has always puzzled me. I guess I like to think deeply about things.

The sheer waste and inefficiency of human life gets me down sometimes. I think of how much better the human race could be doing. I don't understand the need for fashion, status, new and expensive cars. I mean i do understand it on an academic level, but I just fail to see how people fall for it.That depresses me.Somehow I expect better of Humanity and yet I am usually disappointed.

Gossip, small talk, bitching about shit that doesn't matter, interfering in other peoples lives, putting people down for no other reason than to boost or assert one's position. That gets me down.

I consider all of these things so stupid, and yet it seems the majority of people willingly buy into it all.

There are many people I love but I hate Humanity as a whole. I dislike and try to avoid people in general and only have a few close friends. I can function perfectly well in a group but its all an act and I am counting the minutes down to when I can separate myself from these mental infants.

To me the solutions to so many problems are perfectly clear and it frustrates me when others seem unable to see this. I learned long ago that it is not wise to let others see this frustration, so I cope with it, hide it, and go with the flow, resigned. But inside it grinds me gears. Its so wasteful and inefficient.

>>7313838
whats your job? did you put your talents to any use?

>>7316070
All your text is too melo dramatic, aren't you a deterministic? there's really a better way we could be doing, the way things are are the only way they could have been.

>>7316079
melodramatic* there's not a better way*
sorry about that

>>7313044
>>7316067
not that first guy, but I agree with him and I trick myself into being happy as well.
the thing is you need to accept that you're not so smart. your brain is prone to psychological tricks and you're as human as the rest of us. you like getting rewarded when you do something good, you like to indulge in delicious food, your fear of death comes from not knowing when or where it will happen etc. the sooner you realize this, the sooner you can rewire it. you know yourself best, you can reprogram yourself best. see what is bothering you in any way and change it as much as you can. spend time with your thoughts and don't run away from them. let them pass.
it all depends on what puts you down. so what puts you into this depressed state anon?

>>7316070
2deep4me

Piss off, drama queen. That post was cringy as fuck.

>>7316110
I agree. let people live their lives, they don't have to be you because you haven't proved you're any better or more important then them.

With a high intelligence, people become nothing more than a game to me.
I spend months at a time strategically planting ideas into their heads, and playing mind games.
Often I get bored of someone after a while and move on to my next victim but that's okay because there's literally billions of those dirty little roaches to fuck around with.
Some people actually believe I care about them as people but the truth is I only use them for my personal advantage and entertainment.

>>7313042
There is also social skills. Smart people can lack them too, but lacking them is not correlated with being smart.
I've met smart researchers with crazy networking skills

>>7316110
This a new meme?

>>7313838
hahahahaahahahahahahahahah
this guy is an autist
hahahahahahaaaahahhahhhahhahaaaa

>>7316062
>dumbass lonely neckbeard wishes he could have some form of social interaction
>i-it's just bcuz im le smrt. :(((

>>7316082
>What makes me depressed?
Kind of a hard question to ask, even though i put a lot of thought into this every day. I'll try to sum it up:
The major reason - i think - is that i lost my purpose, i don't really know what to do with my life.
Right now, im studying theoretical physics, but i already know that i dont want to be a physicist. Since i decided this, its been increasingly hard to get myself to study. Im, not a long way from completing my BSc, but sometimes i doubt i will ever get there.
I get enthusiastic about side projects (learning programming, writing a novel, making electronic music etc.) but after a certain amount of energy i put into anything, i realize i would need to invest a lot, lot more to get really good at it, which makes me have second thoughts about if i really want this to be my life goal. I just feel im not going anywhere.
I'd say it has to do with my hard desire to do something really meaningful. All my childhood i heard from my family what a wonder-child i was, my friends all think im smart, every time they introduce me to sb, they just have to mention that this is a smart guy, which made me except a lot from myself, but im afraid i wont be able to fulfill these expectations.

>>7314143
>it is sort of a "higher plane" of existing relative to lower tier IQs
See, this is bullshit. You can't know that since everyone has a different worldview and there's no possible way to see the world through the eyes of an other person. Also 'higher plane of existing' sounds like some hippy popsci nonsense.

>>7316117
>le supreme megalomaniac kissless virgin edgelord strikes again

>>7312954
heres the 4chan surfing version

I. wonder why everyone around you is
1) following their inferior/detrimental habits
2) not improving obvious things
3) always/often giving in to fundamental desires, emotions
4) not understanding why things are they way are (e.g. religion)
5) not able to understand abstract things
6) wasting their time on menial and irrelevant stuff (celebrities, TV)
7) using flawed logic when making arguments
8) really unaware theyre doing all this

II. pull back from all social activities

III. figure out there are lots of (absolutely, not relatively) other people like you and you can connect to them

IV. talk yourself into there beeing barrier related to your selfpercieved social skill
realize your just making it up
struggle to overcome it anyway

V. not sure :S


also parellel to III.
IV'. realize how much society can be improved
figure out way to transition from current state to better state
figure out a more realistic way that doesnt involve killing 95-98% of the current population


--------------------

then theres the getting good mentorship from the start, i.e. 2-3years
wich is results in some of these among others (they are nonexclusive). become president, become 3+ figure millionaire (in $), become an oil tycoon, etc.

To be honest, it seems like a lot of the very biggest contributions, especially more recent ones, come from people that went through some similar to the first one.

>>7313097
fucking barf

>>7316165
heh, you fucked with the wrong guy sir
prepare for the storm

>>7316176
LOL

>>7316145
you're lacking self-confidence. having a low ego is as bad as having a high ego. having no ego is the way to go.
you're not as important as you think, people don't really expect anything from you. they're happy you're alive and well if they do care about you. they'd be absolutely broken to hear you're so depressed about yourself.
and since you make music, I'll make this even easier. you know that not every idea you have is good (I threw away songs that were 20min and worked on for days, but kept some ideas that were 30s and took me that long to think them up), but it's good to keep it to remember that even you can make mistakes and that not every idea you have is good. if you made a mistake with the physics department, think about why you wanted to do that in the first place. is it something that was expected of you or do you actually enjoy it in any way? you're human, you can make mistakes just like any other person. just keep your head clear by thinking about these things every day.

>>7312954
also if you want to know how they think, listen to what they say

try these 2
elon musk
peter thiel

>>7313114
great example of lesser intelligence not understanding what their motivation behind saying those things are

>>7315876
if that is true, why the fuck are wasting your life like this?

its not that hard to realize that
1. nihilism isnt true / is impossible
2. smoking weed trends towards an impact/relevance of zero. same fore retiring / not doing things.

also
>I usually burst out into laughter for no reason in public
thats autism, not intelligence

>>7316176
Bring it on you little bitch. I don't need to prepare for anything. I've dealt with your kind before. Once someone charged at me screaming "CHARIZAAAARD!!". Needless to say I kicked his arse very hard. Tripped him, grabbed one of his legs and started rotating. Once he was airborn I let go and charizard hit the ground with the force of a thousand suns. Come at me bro.

>>7315876
>I don't maintain relationships with females unless they are only sexual, because they are all whores.
Let me fix that for you:
>I don't maintain relationships with females because I'm a huge retard/autist and none is interested in me. I think all females are whores because I watch porn everyday to satisfy my sexual needs. I'm also a hugless virgin.

>>7312995
That's not depression, fucking farquads1

>>7313038
Only if you study thermodynamics

>>7316018
Nobody will answer you but trolls.

Because 4chan is full of ego-driven people.

>>7316178
ty anon for being my one time therapist. talking about things like this always help.

For everyone else in this thread, this is what i think is one aspect of true intelligence: Acknowledging that you are a small part of a larger whole, a deep love of humanity, despite all its flaws. The willingness to help a random anon from 4chan, another small part of the big organism. knowing that these small things matter. Everybody who wrote how other people annoy them, you have a lot to learn from this person

>>7312954

>>7316082
>>7313044
can confirm this. this 'happiness' is a leftover for evolutionary reasons.
and it is necesary for many / most people. also it was necessary for me before I figure things out.

however, for me it is more a state of indifference.
I think this 'happiness' is entierly centric on dopamin.
1) having a good amount of dopamine in your system
2) beeing adjusted to the right amounts. some people call this 'balanced personality'. also buddhism is trying to achieve something similar (although I think this 'desire is evil' is a very on/off, rough approximation and suboptimal kind of way to look at it -- the general idea seems accurate).

My theory was one of 'balance'. that is you do things you dont like (as much) and complement with hedonistic kind of dopamine sources.
So I tried skydiving, with goal of wingsuiting. ( completed 19 jumps). and also had plans to lead lavish sexual life. had the best time ever.

during offseason I was thinking. about success and life etc. and I realized, the most sucessful people have an unwavering passion for the things they do and dont give much fuck about other stuff. so I revised my model.
cut out any and all dopamine sources. skydiving, sex, cookies, juice, any recreational activities (at the time counting social). get used to no dopamine / low dopamine so that we will be fine during dry periods. only source of dopamine is getting things done (thats a neat addiction). as it turns this didnt work.

So another revision. this is what Im doing now.
still no 'consumeristic' dopamine sources. baseload from accomplishing things, make progress towards accomplishing things (=work). and then stabelizers. stabelizers currently are
sex (vanilla), exercising (1n/3d), social (related to work)
works pretty well so far, with some tweaks, and maybe maybe additions, possible.

It is pretty easy to get depressed. It can also be pretty frustrating dealing with people and you might fall into an existential crisis occasionally.

Even when I'm with good old friends, I have trouble feeling like I belong there. Its hard to get to a place where you don't look at people as being disadvantaged because they struggle with certain concepts. I do struggle with assigning the worth of a person based only on their intelligence. I am trying to get past that and see value in all people, because ethics or some bullshit.

>>7316227
>assigning the worth of a person based only on their intelligence
very reasonable action.
other factors contribute. intelligence is a 'key factor' meaning it affects all others, meaning if its zero, everything becomes zero as well. looks like this v = i(x) with v value, intelligence, x all other stuff

>because ethics
saving you some time. youll realize its arbitrary irrelevant BS

>>7316227

also see this for some relevations
>>7316179

>>7313042
>had complete assholes
What would an incomplete asshole be?

>>7312954
There is no one way in which intelligent people think. They all think differently

:^)

>>7316208
thanks, but I'm not sure if all this qualifies as intelligence. I've been through depression many times. It's a normal aspect of life and it can be overcome.
either way we can make this a not one time thing if you wanna keep talking and if you think it helps? we can make some music at least haha.

>>7316212
exactly, everyone has their own formula. if we consider people to be a bunch of chaotic data then we can apply the basic idea of analyzing chaotic data:

1.pick a test state
2. let it run some time
3. compare the end state to the one you picked.

if you notice no changes or don't like the changes, get back to your starting point.
if you notice changes and you like them, make that your new starting point.

never feel bad about your choices, feel good that you got to experience something firsthand and that it helped you learn in the long run about who you are and how you can be happy.

To all these replies saying "depression, existentialism, anxiety," I say this:

The realization that all existence seems to be pointless is surely a depressing one. For a long time I was trapped in the emotional state that this realization caused. Ultimately, it's the truth. However, there is an immense amount of enjoyment that even an emotionally stunted semi-genius (like myself and many others of /sci/ seem to claim to be) can find in life. Explore, meet people (most are annoying but you'll find some that show you a new way of looking at things), and this is the biggest one: ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE HAPPY, even though there's no 'reason' to. Allow yourself to enjoy the simple pleasures in life, and relationships that are deep and respectful. Just because it's pointless doesn't mean that you don't have the right (solely because you exist) to enjoy your existence.

*tips fedora*

>>7316253
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperforate_anus

>>7313114
The Einstein quote is exactly my motivation as a mathematician. Interesting to see it in words from someone else; I always describe it as, "intense curiosity." You can't stop thinking about whatever topic it is that has grabbed your attention. You don't care about anything else. You just want to learn, learn, learn.

Scientia Potentia est, fags.

Holy shit this thread is euphoria personified

Why does everything exist rather than not exist? Jesus fuck this question drives me god damn nuts. I haven't been to bed. Physics just says we have no idea. Philosophy says ask religion religion says god. But how does god or Jamal or Zeus or whoever exist.

But what can actually be considered intelligence, OP? Good grades in school, many prizes won, simple self diagnosis? How can I know if I'm enlightened or not? Your question lacks rigour.

>>7316397
How do you even know what exist and what doesn't? As far as I know, I exist, the rest is worked through induction and reasoning through similarity.
Those questions can't be answered to a fundamental level.

>>7316410
How does not existing and existing exist or not exist?

>>7316415
Those are concept that I believe you understand as I do, whatever you are.
I'm indeed assuming there is someone on the other end of the cable who knows about these concepts.

If someone was so intelligent, then they would not let themselves become depressed because depression is not efficient.

>>7312954

A hell filled lonely depression, being unable to communicate my intentions, constant misunderstandings lost a good friend recently because of it.

When I think I skip from A straight to Z and I constantly assume it's a logical conclusion until someone points out their lost.

Constantly bored, always finding new things to do and when I feel accomplished in that and there's nothing to do I get bored and move onto something new, it's all empty for me.

Romantically I can't relate to a partner with just your average Joe interests, I don't know how people literally talk about nothing or drama all the time.

It's not worth the ability to understand and learn the way I do for almost no solid friendships or feeling fulfilled.

>>7316405
Apparently, we have tests for that. This thread can't be any worse than the way it is now anyway, so I don't feel too bad about shitting it up a little more.

ITT:

People mistaking their autism as them being way more intelligent than everyone else

Realizing the average Joe doesn't understand experiment reasoning/falsification is kinda depressing.

Being not-one-of-those-people is kinda nice, even if you aren't incredibly smart on the grand scale.

That's about it.

>>7316712
That's literally half of /sci/. They're all that one kid in class who's super annoying and raises his hand for everything, laughs at things nobody else finds funny, but is so autistic that he thinks the dirty looks and utter contempt are jealousy. They're not raising their hands. Clearly he's just smarter than them. You know that kid.

>>7316712
>>7316727
le special snowflakes have arrived
liked, favoured and subscribed

>>7316727
>I'm so tired of people raising their hand durring questions I couldn't answer that I'm going to vent my frustration on the internet

Do the teacher a favor and participate, actually making use of the lectures you've paid for doesn't require being autistic or special.

>>7316730
People implying their relatively high intelligence makes them different or above everyone else is much more "special snowflake" than what I'm saying.

>>7316743
>>7316730

If you don't know *that* kid, chances are you are him.

Sorry to tell you that. Y'know. The kid with the long white socks and old tennis shoes. He tries to talk to the people around him and sometimes they talk back, but only ever out of politeness. He tries cracking jokes with the professor that always fall flat.

Any of this ringing a bell?

And for the record, I participate in class all the time. But I do so appropriately.

>>7313060
Special Relativity obviously

>>7316752
Define appropriately in contrast to not at all.

>>7312954
My wife looks up and sees clouds and sky.

I look up and see water vapor and a paper thin atmosphere. I see condensation, complex movement that seems chaotic, an interplay of mater and radiation.

Her sky is beautiful. Mine is even more.

>>7314143
Hah.
Hahahah.
You're not smart enough to realize that you really aren't that smart and that you don't actually know anyone you meet.
If someone ever seems simplistic, it's because you don't know them. I doubt you understand people very well at all, leading to your simplistic understanding of them.
You aren't brilliant, you're just above average in intelligence and arrogance.

>>7316010
Oh god damn it.
SR is Special Relativity.
Fuck you guys, you're all trolls.

>>7316751
Nah, on the contrary, you are just spouting standard fencesitting material to put yourself above everyone else and feel better about yourself. It's a standard internet thing, it's ok.

>>7316761
If I've already said something, give a few moments for other people to answer. Let others have a chance to speak. If the professor needs someone to raise their hand and nobody else will, then I raise my hand. Appropriately has no rigid definition. It's entirely dependent on the situation. Looking at social queues with strict definitions is autistic.

>>7316025
This guy.
We are the awareness of the universe.
The ability for the universe to know itself.

>>7316010
Someone on here the other day called me a retard because I didn't know some weird acronym which is apparently short for some japanese word meaning cuck. Jargon makes people feel like they're in a secret club.

>>7316070
*shrug*
We're imperfect.
We're the product of evolution, not engineering.
Humanity is where the falling angel meets the rising ape.

>>7316178
Well said.
Very hard to implement.
I'm very hateful, and while I understand that I should love my fellow man and I get feel good vibes from it...I just want to kill shit-tier people.
Especially the fats.

>>7316187
1. Nihilism is easy to misunderstand. Nihilists don't believe life lacks meaning, they believe that life lacks objective meaning. That meaning is subjective.

2. Wrong.

>>7316232
>ethics is meaningless
We got a real edgelord here.
Ethics isn't morality, you tard.
It's not hard to understand the basics, either.
"Causing unnecessary harm is evil."
That's it.

>>7316405
I can only go off of what definitions have been laid down for me up to this point. I'm not going to pretend that any non-discrete concept of intelligence would be any better than what's currently being discussed.

>>7316819
1. there is an empirical reality, thus subjective beliefs are irrelevant on the scale of an empircal reality.
people may say reality is subjective, but it isnt. perception of reality is subjective. empirical reality doesnt care whether some electrons are moving one way or the other.

2. elaborate how doing nothing isnt trending to zero impact


>>7316831
>Causing unnecessary harm is evil
'evil' isnt something that exists. it is used to group a set of deeds, actions, motivations etc
I would agree that unnecessary harm is unnecessary.
just that - not more, not less.

if you think ethics has substance perhaps elaborate its manifestation

also
> opening your argument with an homien. nice.

>>7316904
>there is an empirical reality

>>7316919
if we percieve something there has to exist something outside of this perception-the process.

otherwise the fundament of reality would be just a number of perceptions, with literally nothing else. but how would would those perceptions exist in the first place if there is literally nothing else?

therefore there has to be something. that something is, by definition, the empirical reality.

>>7316794
very good post

>>7316936
something something brain in a vat etc...

>>7316939
You mean imperfect

>>7316944
The point he's making is that there at least would have to be a brain in a vat, which in turn would be the empirical reality.

>>7316948
The brain in a vat mental experiment hasn't to be taken literally, it just shows that your perception of something outside doesn't imply that something outside your brain actually exist.
As far as I know the universe is my brain pretending to be inside a bigger universe.

>>7316945
if you would be so kind to provide a full argument

>>7316961
that would still mean sometihing exists - in your example your brain

if there exists ANYTHING besides the perception, there has to be a n empircal reality.
but how can the perception exist if there isnt even a reality i.e. something to exist in?

>>7316967
If your reality is the pruduct of, let's say, your imagination, who is the "you"? Is everything somehow the product of imagination's imagination? Now you could claim that it's not possible to break out of our current perception, but there still has to be a root of all perception. INB4 ITS GOD

>>7316995
Wow I can't even spoiler

I have no place in science

>>7316981
Well "something exists" is already a far more "minimal" argument that might indeed be harder to go against I think.

I don't understand the second paragraph. Are you saying that the existence of some sort of physical medium is a necessary condition? Like, an hardware is necessary for a software?
That would depend on the nature of my state of consciousness, i.e if indeed it is necessarily bound to something physical as we understand it.
This perceived bound may just be an inductive claim based on how we perceive systems to work, but those systems are internal.

I don't want to be solipsist just for the sake of it, I am like most people far from it when it comes to everyday life, but it might be interest to see it differently.
Like, the idea of "physical reality" might be like the idea of "euclidean plane" in geometry. It's not important that there exist actual points with actual properties, but it's the relations between those object the important thing. The "euclidean plane" is just one of different possible models for the same thing.
Same thing might be for reality: I got this model where I assume an objective reality exist, where other conscious beings exist, and so on. But that's it, a model.

>>7317025
> physical reality / physical reality
does not matter what it is or what properties it has (not for my point) - just that it exists

>Well "something exists" is already a far more "minimal" argument that might indeed be harder to go against
yes. the proof is that we (at least I) percieve. so SOMETHING has to exist for that to be even possible. not just by way for 'something that we can percieve' but 'some kind of reality for this perception to exist in the first place'

I think there exists an empirical reality i.e. as things truly are. our universe is part of that.
then theres is perception - pieces of the empirical rality that our sense pickup and our brain turns into something - that helps with the assortment of particles that we are stay such an assortment.

>>7313885
that is the story of my life.

I used to consider myself smart, but now that I'm in post.graduate studies, I realize I'll never understand what others have

>>7316076
working stockroom at the moment, $10/hr, mostly because I didn't build connections in undergrad. going to grad school in the fall now that I've got my mental health under control and have learned to dial back the autism a good bit.

>>7316136
yeah, but I'm a smart autist, checkmate atheists

>>7313042
First off having a PhD isn't necessarily indicative of being really smart.

Secondly, by CC I image you're referring to community college? If so, I hope you know being a tenured professor at a CC doesn't mean shit.

I sorry so many of you have emotional problems and cannot relate to others. perhaps you can find it comforting that many others on this board (and on 4chan in general) have the same issue. It makes me sad to think that in this era so many of you have problems with compassion and friendship.

I consider that I might be above average intelligence only because of the feedback I have receive from peers, professors, and others. colloquially intelligence is about academic drive, being quick witted, knowing lots of facts.

my intelligence comes from knowing that I am the creator of my experience.

happiness, fulfillment and satisfaction, I couldn't live a better life.

>>7316784
Does that mean that I am god himself? Or whoever/whatever entity expressed through one subject (me) at a given moment.

>>7316410
Starting off from this, my worst fear about death is not knowing I exist. Fuck me, I'd prefer knowing I'm dead than spend an infinite time not existing at all. Can you imagine that shit? The whole universe will collapse but you won't even know you would be a nothing at that time. I hope the day I die my brain will function on a high level just enough to keep my consiousness from leaving me. I prefer a fucking purgatory from an eternal sleep

>>7317958
nice

>>7318140
>I hope you know being a tenured professor at a CC doesn't mean shit.
It means you get a stable income.

>>7318267
>I hope the day I die my brain will function on a high level just enough to keep my consiousness from leaving me.
Like a ghost?
>I prefer a fucking purgatory from an eternal sleep
Are you me? Wanna skype?

>>7316172
y tho

>>7316397
>Why does everything exist rather than not exist?
Because "existing" is a man made concept, which describes things and situations that are objectively observable. It's just wordplay.

>>7318216
/thread

>>7316904
First off, you're autistic.
Most of us are. Probably including me.
1. Who gives a shit about scales of empirical reality. We're subjective, we're human. Our subjective beliefs matter because they matter to us. We matter because we matter to us. Cygnus X-1 gives 0 shits about anything. It can't. But we can.

2. Weed doesn't make you trend to zero impact. Abuse and addiction might but that's a matter of the individual and not the weed. Weed isn't especially addictive.

3. Evil exists because we make it exist. Anthropogenic? Yep.
Evil is defined as unnecessary harm. Arguably as purposeful, non-accidental unnecessary harm.
Ethics can be found in nature whenever a group of organisms, usually the same species, needs to cooperate for the sake of the greater good. As seen in elephants, piranha, Dumbledore's and primates.
Ethics are a very successful product of evolution. They're also very rational.
I'm sure some autist has come up with an equation for ethics. Try googling it.
>ad hominem? This is 4chan. Fuck did you expect, you autist?

>>7318289
Not really a ghost, even a consious being who does nothing at all is enough
Skype's on, just tell me what to do :)

>>7318374
angry tone, confused logic


enjoying that driving high?

>>7318448
What a great response there.
/sarcasm.
Because you're autistic and will miss the obvious.

Here let me spare you the thinking needed reply to this post, to, you lazy, autistic fuck.
>hurr durr doesn't need a better response durr hurr

>>7312954
SAD & FACEPALMING
that's how i live