/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7291308
What is the difference between study Economics and Business? Sorry for being a non English speaker.

>yfw poli sci jobs are growing 25% through 2020

>>7291308
shitposting, jealousy, undergrad cs is kind of lackluster difficulty-wise

>>7291314
Economics deals with economies. Business deals with businesses.

>>7291308
it's obviously a chart meant for trolling, seeing as medicine is below chemistry (lmao)

Because we don't need more people working on selling ads on the internet.

>>7291321
I'm not talking about the picture, it's just vaguely related and the first picture I clicked in my computers folder to create the thread.

>>7291322
Yeah we do.

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm

>>7291322
kek, I'm a CS major and literally working on something like this in a shit company

What do people with degrees in chemistry or chem engineering even do?

>>7291333
Roleplay Breaking Bad, obviously.

>>7291315
Percentages do not mean anything.

25% out of four jobs required?

what does sci think of aerospace?

we're all computer scientists, CS majors are code monkeys

>theology isn't waste of life tier

Because it isn't actually science and literally everything relevant is being "researched" / developed by actual mathematicians, not computer scientists

They hate us because we're better than them.

>>7291366
a harder more specified version of mechanical

i myself changed from aero to mech after 1st semester when i looked at my 3rd/4th year courses

you guys may be way smarter but good luck having no job unless you work in the airforce or are smart enough for nasa

>>7291308
>It's high paying

Why are business majors looked down on? Don't you know how much CEOs are paid!?

>difficult

Only if you are retarded.

>>7291374

>>7291314

Business majors study the art of lying to investors and general bullshittery

Economics studies the world markets

>>7291404
They hate us because they ain't us.

>>7291333
Research how the world works? Research how to make life better? For example, studying algae and their biosynthetic pathways to make renewable fuels, or studying the vibrational excitations of freons that cause the ozone to be destroyed. I know I don't fully understand it, but there's definitely interesting stuff going on in chemistry and chemical engineering. Think polymer science

>>7291473
>business majors are CEOs
KEK

>>7291487
they hate us cuz they anus

>>7291333 >>7291489
Pharmaceuticals, a lot of that. If you go beyond inorganic chemistry, there is even more happening, like engineering organs, bioprothestics, and other engineered body modifications. Immunology ie. anything that looks at developing vaccines

>>7291473
>calls other people retarded
>doesn't know that business major != C.E.O.
let me guess, freshman math major?

>>7291308
> Doctor (Any. Dr)

You do understand that anyone could get a doctorate in any degrees, right?

>>7291308
>Philosophy and Theology not in waste of life tier

>>7291308
>I'm making ~$100k at my first ever job.
Doing what?

>>7291499

Not sure if troll or retarded CS major

>>7291308
Stop trying to be spoon fed and learn to check the archives. We have this same thread all the time.

>>5662999
>I do not hate CS. CS is an umbrella term for many interesting fields of research. However I do feel utter contempt for CS students. As a mathematically minded person I myself studied CS until realizing that I won't get any intellectual qualifications from studying it. BSc programmes in CS are catering to and attracting the most anti-intellectual scum that barely managed to enter university. The usual CS curriculum is already designed in such a way to teach only a bare minimum of math and theory, hardly going beyond high school knowledge. Yet the average CS student fails it. The same people who are spouting wrong platitudes like "CS is all hard math" are the people who think you're a genius for knowing calculus. The pinnacle of idiocy I encountered in CS was a 6th semester student going for his BSc who did not know what a logarithm is.

>>5982685
>With a CS degree alone without further qualifications you are factually unemployable. Neither the primitive GUI design in java nor the shallow hardware, database or network intro will qualify you for a job. The only people getting acceptable jobs with a CS degree are those who either combined it with another degree or who already had a job before because they self-learned important skills. Quite a few CS students openly told me they are only getting the degree just to have something on paper to force their boss to give them higher salary. The job they already had because they started web design / programming / security in high school. Having demonstrable experience in those is more important to an employer than what you learned in CS. The business monkey variety of retards is even more unemployable. Representatives of local industries explicitly said the degree is trash because these people know neither economics/business nor computing.

>>7291510

>>5981331
>The math and theoretical CS are even more laughable. The only people who complain about their hardness are those stereotypical video game retards who already failed their math classes in high school. All the "muh logical quantifiers", "let's mindlessly apply this symbolic manipulation algorithm", "oh wow, an automaton represents a language" or "holy shit, how do I show this algorithm does what it does" babby crap is shallow and hardly deserves to be called university level. A mathematician or a physicsist who is trained in reading definitions, theorems and proofs can pick up all of a BSc computer scientist's theoretical CS much more indepth by spending one or two afternoons of reading a book.
>>5981333
>The worst thing however are the people going for such a degree. Out of all degrees CS seems to attract the most anti-intellectual scum. I seriously wonder how these people even managed to enter university. Every retard who barely passed high school and spends most of his day playing video games seems to think the must study CS. There are socially inept neckbeards of the retarded variety, hating and repeatedly failing math as well as the most simple programming assignments. There are dumbasses whose high school diploma was too bad to go for an economics degree, hence why they want to enter the business monkey route of CS in the hope of getting a little more than minimum salary. Those are of such subhuman IQ that they do not even understand the semantics of an implication in propositional logic.

>>7291506
Yeah, it's confirmed, you're a freshman math major with superiority complex.

>>7291510
They don't even offer computer science at my school, only computer engineering. CE is literally EE with an emphasis on programming.

>>7291511
That's an awesome copypasta. Can I send it to r/4chan for future reference?

What's wrong with mechanical engineering?

I'm seriously thinking about switching majors from math to CS because I'm getting really fed up with doing nothing but proofs and theory. I just want more application. Will I lose all of my street cred in the scientific community?

>>7291628

If you do both you're automatically god-tier.

>>7291510
Maybe at schools with shitty CS programs...

>>7291628

>takes math major
>doesn't enjoy proof
>mfw

>>7291622
Those are two of the most popular engineering schools, hence them being left out. It's a bait chart.

>tfw mathematics and physics double major
>tfw published my first article (as an undergrad) in quant finance

r8 academics bruhs

>>7291502
Selling coke

>>7291642
Well I did and still do. It's just that I want something "more".

>>7291680
Thinking of doing the same double, what's it like?

>>7291680
>quant finance

Why would you waste mathematical talent on such a subject.

>>7291628
You don't have any street cred, not even in STEM. No one respects you except other mathfags, everyone else just thinks you were too stupid to get into engineering.

>>7291761
>being this much of a delusional cocksucker

>>7291314
>>7291320
>>7291484
Top kek, economics students are just wannabe politicians who were shit at finance and want to get back at the normies who were better than them at it.

Good business student land: Goldman
Good econ student land: Moody's

I think you might recall who outsmarted who in that real-world matchup.

>>7291628
Are you fine with working as a code money?

>>7291759
Maybe so he can be employed and make money? Sorry that might be a foreign concept for most math majors...

>>7291511

cs major fag that i am this hurt a lot ... since i can confirm much of it evryday at the faculty.

CS major here, I do it for the money, Math is for elitist scum.

>>7291308
Why do Civil and Mech always get the short end of the fucking dildo?

Something like Social or Audio Engineering should be the laughing stock, not two of the most major disciplines.

Why is mechanical engineering so looked down upon?

>>7291901
>Social or Audio Engineering
That's NOT engineering or a real university degree. It's "Everything else not listed" tier.

>>7291921
Civil and Mech are the easiest and earn the least amount of money of the 4 traditional engineering disciplines, what's there not to look down on?

>>7291308
Why the hate for English? My gf is a comparative lit post-doc, I'd say she's intelligent, and has a nice job lined up for her as a professor.

>>7291826
>studying something for money rather than out of a love of the subject

They have trade schools for that anon.

>>7291308
i study neuroscience, and, while i'm flattered, it is not the same tier as medicine.

>>7291943
Her education is Teacher in Low Tier.
I am very sure that with that OP means getting a major in English without becoming a teacher is a waste of life.

>>7291959
well, harry potter writer (rowling) had an english degree and she came fine.

literature is mostly writing for film or TV, which I don't know how good they pay.

I believe writing legal contracts is another job for english mayors.

Is not that bad.

>>7291308
Lol placing IT in low tier.

xD I'll be having the comfiest pay at the comfiest job

>>7291977
because this is /sci/ not /libart/

>>7291981
2/10 made me reply

>>7291985
I know, but you fags always dismiss art, and yet entertaiment can be extremelly profitable.

>>7291981
Oh wow, I get most people's bitching ITT, but for a degree that's half the pay and a tenth the prestige and difficulty of CS you're pretty fucking retarded if you believe placing IT in the low bracket isn't being excessively generous. It's closer to waste of life tier.

>>7291977
>literature is mostly writing for film or TV
No. It's mostly for journalists or office jobs that require writing skills.

>writing legal contracts is another job for english mayors
That would be a job for lawyers.

>>7291995
>>7291990

Ahem, sorry what was that? Hard to hear over my modest standard of living and the whir of the cooled server room I get to administrate for a chill 50k a year.

As a single person that amount of money is fine this early in a career.

>>7291996
Why a literature degree wouldn't help you with writing scripts?

>>7291999
you must be great at parties

>>7291992
There are no jobs for English majors in film or TV. I promise you that. Those jobs go to film studies majors who have important connections.

>>7291977
>harry potter writer (rowling) had an english degree and she came fine.
Wasn't she literally scavenging through garbage dumpsters before she hit big though? Anyway /sci/ doesn't give a fuck about stupid fantasy fiction books.

Writers in entertainment aren't paid well and you definitely don't need an English degree to do it, but you're right it is a job where having a lit. degree can be advantageous.

>legal contracts
Nope, not at all, not even in a secretarial sense.

>>7292003
only the most non-prestigious parties.

>>7292002
Because this >>7292004

You will never get a job writing scripts with a literature degree. Barely anyone in general gets a job in that market, so literature majors won't have a chance in hell.

>>7291977
you don't even need an english degree to be a writer though, you just need to write stuff

its a waste of time and money

>>7291999
You're talking to people who start their careers with 60-100k and have secretaries or other lackeys to bring them coffee in their closed office space matched only in size by management and more senior scientists and engineers.

Don't talk to us about pay or comfy.

>>7292008
>"so what do you do?"
>"IT admin"
>"oh...."

you literally have the most boring job imaginable

>>7292012
Well if you plan on getting the type of job that requires you to have any old degree and you are interested in English then it wouldn't be a waste of time and money.

But in the general scheme of things it most likely is.

>>7292004
>>7292005
>>7292010
>>7292012
wouldn't an english degree help you with writing since you read about literature history, make creative writing classes and learn basic literature criticism/theory?

wouldn't that help?

wouldn't going for an english degree be like going to commercial art schools to learn to paint?

>>7292016
Its comfy as fuck. 40k-50k is what you need to live in an apartment solo, eat well and have a few free/cheap hobbies.

Nigga I wouldn't feel comfortable having other people be subservient to me.

>>7292017

and I like it that way :) Why feel the need to constantly do and do and do? I'd rather maintain what is already being done.

>>7292022
yeah, but you could just read those things at home, and not pay £40k for the privilege

>>7292023
>Nigga I wouldn't feel comfortable having other people be subservient to me.

Definition of cuck

>>7292022
Do you really thinking "writing" is an actual skill that any professional lacks? Do you really think an English degree is about becoming a "good writer" or that most graduates are guaranteed to be any good at prose?

Because if you do you're completely alone in thinking any of that.

>>7292012
>it's not a waste of time and money if you like doing it

>>7292023
i kind of envy your lack of ambition

>>7292025
but I'm not american and college here doesn't cost me the same as a house.

>>7292027
I believe it's the same as becoming a good musician/painter.

I do believe it's better to go to an education rather than spend years in your mother basement.

It's like a gym.

>>7292028
>>7292025
^this

>>7291308
Why astronomy is a mid-tier?

>>7292023
>Nigga I wouldn't feel comfortable having other people be subservient to me.
What the fucking fuck? Are you even a man? Everyone wants people underneath them. Hell many of us were paid to yell at workers in our first industry internships, it's part of why they get in to engineering.

>>7292031
did you not see the pound sign?
yeah fair enough in that case then, man fuck the torys

>>7292023
This has to be a troll, this anon is just way too content with his lot in life, I refuse to believe that something like this can actually exist.

>>7292022
>wouldn't that help?
That's like asking "wouldn't it be useful to major in walking or breathing? You can take a hundred classes to learn how to put one foot in front of the other or expand your diaphragm."

No. Anyone who has a basic level of intelligence can become a good writer. You don't need "help". In fact scientists are often better writers than English majors and score far higher on assessment tests. Half of the work I do is analytic writing. An English degree is worthless if you want a job.

>>7292037
yeah, but that's the problem.

Not all countries have college education privatized.

>>7292040
ok

>>7292026
>>7292035
understudies/apprentices/nicer-words =/= subservants

I don't enjoy withholding knowledge which is why I chose IT so that I can help people less knowledgeable than me.

>>7292030
Hey man, some people just want to live and working is a 2nd priority. I'm lucky that my family has deep roots in mathematics, physics and engineering otherwise I probably wouldn't have the logical mindset to even consider IT. I'd probably be a carpenter or a nurse or something.

>>7292039

No way man, there is such a thing as the easy path in life. That doesn't mean that I want to be a half-assed admin. I'd rather do the chill thing but be very effective at it for a personal sense of achievement because thats worth more to me than anything in the world.

>>7292031
Right, but have you noticed that all the biggest science fiction* writers are all STEM degree holders? It makes complete sense that if you've practiced technical writing for 3+ years you're going to be more proficient in technical writing than someone who studied old literature. As another anon said entertainment writing is for film studies an more importantly people with connections.

Writing on its own simply doesn't have a niche in industry.


*(which is by far the biggest fantasy market despite all the attention fantasy fiction is getting nowadays because of the big screen)

>>7292050
>implying anyone is less knowledgeable than you

>>7292037
>fuck the torys
At least they're going to get rid of all the illegal immigrant niggers.

>>7292053
n-n-no bully anon

>>7292055
niggers aren't costing me £16k a year for my shitty neuroscience degree, i'm inclined to like them more than the torys

>>7292050
>but be very effective at it for a personal sense of achievement because thats worth more to me than anything in the world.
I can respect that.

>>7292060
>niggers aren't costing me £16k a year for my shitty neuroscience degree,

They are. Where do you think all the state subsidies are bleeding off to? Welfare is expensive.

>>7291943
because /sci/ id full of autistic neckbeards who can only understand math

>>7292065
not really, its about a third the cost of pensions

its not like hiking up student fees even made any money, because none of the shitty psychology graduates will ever pay it back

>>7291308
I disagree with that chart but Maths are definitely God-Goddes Tier In The Universe

>>7292072
Did you know that humanity faculty graduate stipends and lecturer salaries is half what STEM departments get? Yeah sure, the tier list is just math autism right? When even academia says one is worth more than the other then maybe you should start considering that it's true.

>>7292072
Implying anything else matters. STEM skills and maybe technical ability with art are really the only things people don't absorb passively in their daily lives. All other degrees are worthless, because anyone can do them.

>>7292098
Anyone can dedicate themselves to a STEM degree too?

>>7292098
*All other degree holders are worthless, because anyone can do what they do.

>>7292099
It was I typo. I meant this >>7292101.

>>7292099
>Anyone
I was as surprised as you were when I found out how few high-school graduates actually make the minimum entry requirements for engineering school. People are just really stupid/lazy in general.

>doing math homework ill never use

>CS grad

fuck mathematics! it's for builders and fags!

>>7292127
And you're definitely not a builder.

>>7292127
Why don't you just study IT? CS is mostly math.

>>7291308
>chemistry god tier
>physics god tier
enjoy 6 years of grad school 4 years of post doc, 4 years of adjunct prof just to realize there is no room in academia and get a job as a engineer or software dev

>all engineering equal except mech
>philosophy mid tier
>neuroscience mid tier
>comp sci in the same tier as theology,biology, and philosophy
>theology above economics, business and law
Lol what the fuck, hell I'd ve even most of the waste of life choices like art,foreign languages, and English are better choices than theology, at least you develop some useful skills and talents.

Who the hell made this stupid list?

>>7292138
I agree with the part of the chart being stupid, but
>enjoy 6 years of grad school 4 years of post doc, 4 years of adjunct prof just to realize there is no room in academia and get a job as a engineer or software dev
dude, you don't study to get a job, you study for the knowledge you bloody pleb.

>>7292138
Physics and chemistry are god tier. Along with math, they're the most important subjects in existence.

If any of them went away, all of modern civilization would collapse. How many other majors can say the same?

>>7292138
econ and business are jokes though. I feel like you could be a more valuable human studying theology so that you can know why you don't need it than studying econ and business.

>>7292138
So the quality of the field depend on the probability of getting a job and its salary? Not by its applications?

Is there anyone here not studying for the sole purpose of getting a job?

>be all of sci
>mummy tells me i'm a special snowflake growing up
>excel in school because school is easy as fuck if you believe you can do it
>do a stem subject
>realise everyone else is a special snowflake too
>have to prove you're the specialist snowflake by telling people every degree but yours is worthless

>>7292171

Business with a concentration in Finance or Accounting is great to get into.

>>7292183
you forgot >is actually shit at their degree

>>7292184
>Business.

>>7292171
Theology is the very definition of useless knowledge. No one cares or needs to know about your opinion on God's a-temporary nature or defense of cosmological.
>>7292146
>>729218
>>7292138
if your from a super wealthy family or are brilliant enough to be sure that you can stay in academia/research than go study what you want or think is most important, but if you an average student than how good your major is depends on your how it will benefit, i.e get a job or at least develop skills.

>>7292183
Grew up in the system. What's your next excuse? Other majors are inferior to mine and this isn't irl where I need to pretend to be polite about your worthless waste of life degree.

>>7292138
>hating on philosophy.
Philosophy is the purest form of science and the base of everything. It is even more important than math. Without philosophy, you wouldn't have science at all. Philosophy is basically the question "Why is this thing here?" A question which has to be used in every science.

>>7292227
what can you even do with a neuroscience Bsc?

>>7292248
>Bsc
Nothing. You obviously need a PhD.

>>7292050
You sound like a 10/10 humanbean

Cheers!

>>7292236
Have fun debating the existence of God and morality with all the theology students in the welfare lines

>>7292251
Not that guy, but wouldn't neuroscience be MD?

>>7292305
nah, thats neurology

>>7292305
No.

Neuroscience = research on neuro

Neuro MD is a specialization in medicine more concerned with clinical practice than research.

>>7291935
>mech
>easier than chem
Apparently you've never taken a class with the words "dynamics" "mechanics" "vibration/deform" "combustion/thermal/heat"
I wish I could have done the rote mem I did in ochem for my required classes

>>7292369
Are you retarded?
>"dynamics" "mechanics"
Chem takes fluid mech which along with other transfer processes which is the most difficult classical mechanics. All solid state shit is easy.
>"vibration/deform"
They do deform in Strength of Materials, I've seen vibration courses and it's nothing difficult.
>"combustion/thermal/heat"
They do more semesters thermodynamics than you including chemical solutions thermodynamics which is the most difficult statistical physics/classical thermo course any engineering degree takes.


Now for the actual hard courses which is control engineering (that mech sometimes does on a superficial level) and reactor engineering which no one else on campus does.

>ochem
Chemistry in it's entirety isn't even 20% of the credits in a ChemE course you fucking idiot.


Try reading up on other courses to see how little actual science and engineering you've been exposed to. I'd tell you to make friends, but I know that's probably not an option for you.

Why is foreign language waste of life tier? Translation is an indispensable tool.

>>7292231
Spot the virgin math major.

>>7292400
>He's smarter than me
>Must be a virgin

Sure thing pal.

>>7292398
>Translation is an indispensable tool.
That's already been made by google.

>>7292391
Does it ever make you feel bad that a superficial exposure to physics and chemistry is the reason engineering is "hard"?

>>7291639
>ad hominem

MIT, Princeton, Berkeley, CMU, Cornell, Stanford, etc all have terrible CS programs. Good schools do not exist.

>>7292412
Physics and Chemistry doesn't do the same applied science courses as in engineering, they're actually the ones that do it superficially so they can get to the modern/advanced stuff faster. A typical physicists would know nothing about the most modern heat exchange models for example.

>>7291308
>>7291308
What's wrong with Civil Engineering?

>>7292431
Nothing, it's just not god-tier

>>7292431
It's literally the easiest engineering out there besides industrial. You don't need as much skill to do civil.

>>7292412
lel you're retarded. engineers dont know much about your retarded astronomy popsci bullshit but when it comes down to real physics engineers know what theyre talking about

>>7291945
the numerical methods involved are actually pretty fun, but that's more out of an interest for the computer applications of math for me.

>>7292439
b8 level of retarded

>>7292439
>real physics enginers know what theyre talking about
no, not really
most of us just memorize shti and regurgitate on tests. We're generally memory based and if you ask any of my 4th year friends they couldnt give you a clear explanation of undergrad physics theories if they tried. We're exposed to complex ideas but the workload we're thrown is just too heavy to learn them perfectly, so people fit a large amount of memorization and "remembering how to solve the problem" into how they learn and study

>>7292444
>us
Stop pretending retard. There is no memorization in engineering and you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

>>7292420
>A typical physicists would know nothing about the most modern heat exchange models for example.
No, but they will be able to calculate scattering amplitudes for nonabelian gauge theories by computing an infinite sum over infinite dimensional integral. Which is more superficial?

>>7292444
lel, you're so fucking obvious you retard
0/10

>>7291943

You don't need to get a Ph.D to learn how to read and write.

>>7292490
I'm not going to turn this into a jargon pissing contest, but everyone knows the coupled non-linear PDEs engineers have to deal with is more complicated than most problems in physics which have analytical solutions. That's why so many numerical DE/optimization solution techniques, like variable steps, and other algorithms have been developed by engineering degree holders over the last few decades. That is not to say higher level physics can't get extremely complicated too, you just can't compare the classical techniques they are trained with to modern techniques.

And then we're still comparing undergrad knowledge, most Physicists don't obtain really advanced knowledge until grad-school, which is also entirely different level on the engineer side.

>inb4 G theory is undergrad

>>7292506
>the coupled non-linear PDEs engineers have to deal with is more complicated than most problems in physics which have analytical solutions
this. your analytical solutions are easy. we have to deal with shit that you cant even solve with math analytically

>everyone saying "study for the love of the subject, not for how much it pays!!"
>proceeds to shitpost about how dumb humanity majors are for doing the same thing

Hmm

>>7292512
The solutions aren't the hard part, developing the models in the first place is, something rarely done in Physics undergrad.

>>7292518
thats the point they dont need special models because they can find analytical solutions. and they often arent dealing with several components together in a complex system

If you did some research instead of coding all day in your dirty pajamas maybe you wouldn't be looked down upon so much.

>>7292391
>vibrations
>not difficult
Fuck anyone who actually took this course that actually tells you this.

>actual hard courses which is control engineering (that mech sometimes does on a superficial level)
>Hard courses
Haven't ever seen anything more than a few DEs and systems of eq
>Industrial Engineering
>anywhere near hard
Now you are just fucking with me

>and reactor engineering which no one else on campus does.
Your college doesn't have a NRE program?

>ad hominem
No you

I'd like someone to explain why Chem E is actually more difficult than Mech E.

>>7292538
>Implying anyone looks down on people who get paid 120k to code in their pajamas.

>>7291308
Why is a music major looked down on so much in /sci/?
It's high paying (a professional orchestra performer can easily earn over 100k), difficult, and fun.

>>7292546
You can always fall back on the "m-muh salary" defense, kouhai.

>>7292513
I think they're shitting on them more for their worth to humanity rather than doing what you love.

Personally I don't give a fuck, whatever floats your boat.

>>7292568
ah yes, all of these failed physics Ph.D's flipping burgers or working a dead end ME shitjob for a megacorp are clearly the ones we should praising for their duty to humanity

>>7292603
>you are so fucking mad right now

>>7292545
>Fuck anyone who actually took this course that actually tells you this.
Most of my friends who took it are retards who bragged about how they passed despite having no idea what was going on, but I will give you that, I haven't taken a vibrations course exam so I won't speak about it further.

>Haven't ever seen anything more than a few DEs and systems of eq
The DE time domain analysis are usually intro stuff where you're just learning to construct models from the conservation laws. The entire year course from modelling to control has: Discreet calculus and analysis, complex analysis, frequency domain analysis, analysis of control loops with dead time, model analysis and optimization, control of coupled non-linear systems, linearization of non-linear PDEs systems, simulation of physically unrealizable systems. Not even math programmes have applied math this difficult in undergrad (not counting god-tier math students who take grad courses in undergrad anyway). Only electrical engineers also do comparably difficult control courses, which why electrical engineering also happens to be god tier.

>Industrial
Are you even reading my post? Didn't mention it and Industrial =/= real engineering.

>NRE
What exactly do you mean by NRE program? Most ChemE programmes have to design an entire plant including high level economically optimized process synthesis as well detailed design of reactors, operation units, enviro considerations etc. The final 6 months of the course is dedicated to it and there are no other coursework. There is also a research project in the first semester that has produce publishable results, though only a small percentage of students usually get published.

>No you
No u.

>I'd like someone to explain why Chem E is actually more difficult than Mech E.
Well, if we aside from material difficultly which can be subjectively argued about all day and night, the courseload and the dropout rate is much higher in ChemE, NukeE and EE than in MechE.

>>7291308
one of the most ludicrous versions of this I've ever seen

>>7292561
Because free market determines objective usefulness? If every idiot could do it the demand and the salaries would be lower.

Now go b/a/ck to >>>/a/ you fucking weeb.

>>7292614
I think we can all agree that the 2010 edition remains the most objectively correct, non-troll version.

>>7292603
infinitely more useful than the millions of lib art students doing what again exactly?

>>7292626
>objectively correct
>CS is in God tier

No.

>>7292640
CS gets paid well and has contributed a lot to modern society.

Don't be butthurt that's the best tier list there is.

>>7292626
>nuke not in the highest tier of engr

>>7292626
Why is Aero so high?

>>7292646
>contributed a lot to modern society

You're thinking about EE and CpE majors. CS has done next to nothing.

>>7292656
spergs love muh space

>>7292652
That's the only aspect of the 2010 list I consider outdated, the job market for Nuke was terrible at the time, but it's picked up and then some nowadays.

>>7292656
Muh spaceships, fighter jets and money.

>>7291999

Then why is IT the most suicidal profession if it's so great?

>>7292034

It's as useful as philosophy and theology.

>>7292657
lol

>>7291999
IT is a joke

>>7291308
Do you understand how the universe work? Do you have insights what no-one ever had?
I'm a programing physicist, but it is evident for me, that mathematics is the only god-tier one.

>>7292626
Why is aerospace engineering so well regarded? Isn't it just mechanical engineering?

>>7292732
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>7292738
No, it's mechE with a shitton up material science, more fluid mech., more HT and orbital mech added on top of it.

>>7292732
I have no doubt that you have yet to graduate high-school.

I would take that back if you posted a time stamped though, but then I'd just call you a retard.

>>7292741
Grats for your well paying hamsterwheel.

>>7292744
besides the compressible flow and the orbital mechanics, I doubt it.
what do you think ME's do all day?

>>7292750
I don't hear your arguments. (I finish my Msc. in weeks, but I worked in multiple projects.)

>>7292757
You don't even compressible flow?

Jesus christ as if my expectations of MechE could get any lower.

>>7292680
Hahahahaha literally wot?

IT is one of the least stressful jobs once you exit entryblevel

>>7292758
I don't see any degrees to back up your claim. Your first post is also retardedly naive.

>>7292761
we do compressible flow and orbital mechanics, but we don't require a full course on it.
Pneumatics is considered graduate/research

>>7292680
That's accounting.

Accountants are the most infamous for offing themselves at high frequencies.

>>7292764
My claim is not based on my fucking Bsc degree. I saw people with Bsc degrees who would suffocate in their own saliva if they wouldn't put to work by some mediocre professor in a money-sucking lab.
I just think, that all the science what has some value in itself is made with paper and pen. The applied sciences will never produce anything what is really new. They are just factories in which you can feel that your degree has some market value. But the real beauty and the long-term usefulness of science lies in the highly theoretical fields.

>>7292768
>we do orbital mechanics
Your programme is pretty unique in that regard. Which school?

>>7292801
>My claim is not based on my fucking Bsc degree.
You claimed you're in grad-school, no one believed you.

Didn't read the rest of your post now fuck off and die.

>>7292802
I mean really basic orbital mechanics.
It's covered in dynamics.

Illinois Tech

>>7291308
Congratulations to your job.

I double major maths/CS. The hardest classes in CS are easier than the easiest classes in maths. CS is the worst undergrad across all STEM.

CS is not "bad" per se, and you can be a mathematician and do difficult work in CS fields. What is bad about CS are the students - almost all are stupid.

>>7292626
>nuclear
>below the other three
>they don't even take modern physics
>Mechanical
>on the same tier as civil
>Petroleum and Chemical
>not essentially the same shit but one has a focus
>industrial
>not just as bad as civil

>software engineering
>engineering

>>7292829
>also
>Aerospace
>2 tiers above Mech E
>less than 12 credit hours of any difference

>>7292809
>>7292758
>I finish my Msc. in weeks
>>7292801
>my fucking Bsc degree

>mfw you don't know what Msc is.

Sorry. You were right. I bet your grandma thinks you're great with computers. I didn't consider such an academic rank, that you don't need arguments to be right.

>>7292398
literally any foreign student earning a STEM degree in US can do the same shit 100 times better since they can actually understand the STEM terms used in the papers

>>7292398

You absolutely do not need to go to college to learn a foreign language.

>>7292855
If you're busy doing your M you should already have your B which is why they asked for it or do you think you can time stamp a M degree you don't have yet you stupid cuck?

>>7292556
because /sci/ is full of undergrads who doesn't know musical notes can be mathematical too

>>7292878
THAT MUST MEAN A MATH IS, LIKE, TOTALLY JUST LIKE A MATH DEGREE RIGHT?

I hate fucking idiots that take the math-music relation so literally, fucking everything can be described by math you dumbfucks. The math of music is rather simplistic and has nothing to do with real math. Music isn't special, it's not even special in the sound wave domain.

>>7292618

It's a bubble and it will pop soon enough.

>>7292899
If it really was a bubble then we've been waiting 60 years for it to pop.

It's not a bubble because unlike easier degrees there are only a few people born every generation that is genetically capable of doing it. No other programme has both entry requirements and drop out rates that high.

>>7292556
>implying everyone with a music degree becomes a highly paid professional performer
>implying you need a music degree to become a highly paid professional performer

>>7292613


>NRE
nuclear/radiological engineering

Its DEs on top of DEs and probably depends on your professor.
>muh harmonics everywhere

can't say lagrangian mech or hamiltonian mech makes anything harder though so granted much of any engineering field is no cakewalk(from my experience this holds true for ME), your argument stands solid.
But I also think it may depend on the person; some classes I found easier because they interested me more i.e. dynamics over statics even though they were supposed to be more advanced.

Really you have a point in that all of this difficulty shit is subjective and could be "easy" considering the person, their aptitude for the subjects entailed, and their interests.

>>7292876
I don't see why my B is that fucking important in this argument. I'm in Budapest and my degree is in Hamburg. But I wasn't the one saying: I have a Bsc listen to me! I had some statements what are untrue/true regardless of your belief in my degree.
That's why science ought to be great: It's built of arguments and not of trolls whining on irrelevant ranks.

>>7292763

Dealing with brain dead retards and being on call 24/7 is pretty stressful

>>7292921
You don't know jack shit about modern science. Most CERN physicists spend their data applying data filters and making approximations. You don't understand mathematical physics if you think it magically models everything.

>is there a single nigger, female or a kike?
>if yes, it's shit-tier majoring
Done.

>>7292915
It's an elective for MEs here, but most of them take something like Aero.

>>7292953
Oh wow, you actually fixed a problem that has plagued /sci/ for it's entire existence. Thank you anon, this is perfect.

>>7292934
You got a point in that. The direction of experimental research does affect the circle of problems for the theory.
But there are loads of theoretical problems which are supported by the filtered information from LHC. For example the ratio of mass of elemantary particles is something what we should have better explanations for.

>>7291761
>this is what engineers tell to themselves so they don't feel stupid
Top kek

>>7292909
>60 years

Um, 60 years ago would be 1955. Long before the ubiquity of computers and the very dawn of the TRADIC.

>few people born every generation that is genetically capable of doing it

Any homeless person could learn how to program. Stop being so full of yourself.

>>7292230
>but if you an average student than how good your major is depends on your how it will benefit, i.e get a job or at least develop skills
If you think that the best way to make money on the mid-long term run is having a job or working for someone you're wrong bro, no wonder why you will most likely stay that way

>>7292930
Once you leave entry level though, after that its just bursty stress

>>7293020
And ofc the industry you are working IT with

>>7291739
It's honestly awesome. I barely have free time, and the free time I do have I spend on... more mathematics and physics. But if you don't mind not having free time, do it. Literally every day I have the same schedule. School, homework, gym, sleep. No time for anything else. Once in a blue moon I'll meet up with my pre-uni mates, but that's it.

>>7291759
I grew up poor, my mom urged me to do medicine, but I told her that there's potentially more money in mathematics. I ended up seeing if what I said was actually true and I ended up with quant finance. That was when I was like 16. I spend an entire summer reading books about quant finance, 12 hours a day for about 7 weeks. I'm pretty fond of the field now, definitely the only field I'm actually really good at for my age.

>>7292404
>claims to be smarter than someone on a message board
>superiority complex over undergrad major

Elliot Rodger have you returned?

>>7291995
top kek, IT consultants can make 150-200k easy mid career

pic related, nigga didn't even have a high school diploma

>Design
>waste of life tier
>virtually every man made object and concept requires design to structurally function or make sense
>all majors and subjects use design to provide a practical interface for the masses

Why does everybody think mechanical engineers are bad? Every I talk to at the school I am transferring to for ME seems to enjoy it, and quite a few of the seniors already have jobs lined up for them after graduation. There are a few more going to get their aerospace engineering degree and some going to work on their masters, and I don't know anything about those seeking a PhD. Seems like a nice group from where I'm from, so why does everybody on /sci/ say ME is bad? or "shit-low tier"

>>7293170
mech and civil are regarded as easier than the other two traditional disciplines, chemical and electrical.

not to say they aren't difficult majors in their own right, just compared to the others.

>>7293177
So the scale is going off of ease?

>>7293170
Because /sci/ is a circlejerk.
Don't worry about it.

>>7293177
>mech and civil
No. Don't group those together.

>>7293177
>mech easier than electrical
lol
>mech grouped with civil
okay, now definitely confirmed for not being in engineering

>>7293202
I'm in chem eng, I don't really know shit about the others other than we refer to civil as simple civil here and they get really butthurt about it. Just going based on what I've heard from upper years.

>>7293206
So why even make a comment about the other engineering fields if you know nothing about them?

>>7293211
Because I'm still right?

civil<mech<=electrical<chemical

>>7293216
>im right
>chemical > ee and me

>>7293216
civil != mechanical

Nothing you know about civil applies to mechanical.

>>7293227
Except statics.

>>7293216
are glorified chemical factory managers this deluded? Chem eng is not even related to any real engineering, and cannot even be compared to the invaluable fields of ME and ECE

>>7291761
>too stupid to get into engineering

>>7291945
>implying somebody using mathematics to make money means they don't love math

>>7293233
great representation of your face.

>>7291308
medicine is god-tier. /sci/ bags on it because they don't think MDs don't do scientific research but plenty do. I plan on getting my MD, specializing in neurosurgery, and maybe doing a PhD in neurochemistry in to make some clinical contributions

>>7293245
What do you wanna work on? Disease, artificial limbs, that sort of stuff?

>>7293233
its the hardest undergrad program to get into. stay mad stay jelly stay dumb NEETfag

What tier is nutritional science & clinical dietetics?

>>7293248
right now my main interest is diseases of the nervous system but tbh im thinking too far ahead. i start my undergraduate in biochemistry in september so idk if i'll even make it to MD, shit's competitive as fuck

>>7293277
It's never too early to think ahead.
I'm an ME/PHY sophmore going for a double-major and I want to research space propulsion, and that's pretty competitive

>God Tier:
- Something you enjoy that pays well

>High Tier:
- Something you enjoy

>Mid Tier:
- Something you don't enjoy but pays well

>Low Tier:
- Something that mommy and daddy want you to pursue

>Shit Tier:
- NEET

>>7293259
into the trash tier

>>7293293
Why?

I love nutrition and helping people.

Engineering Degree = Required due to State Law (Professional Engineering)
Accounting Degree = Required due to State Law (Certified Public Accountant)
Medical Degree = Required due to State Law (Medical License)
Law Degree = Required due to State Law (Bar Exam)

What else?

>>7293297
Don't bother with him. He's probably a edgy 20years old who considers himself best in the world because he just entered uni and had a few max scores on exams but hasn't really valued what is important in life yet.

Maybe there will be a day when he realizes he could not stand meeting a 20-25yo version of himself. But I would not place any bets on it.

>>7293252
Maybe at your shit-tier community college

>>7293320
lel spoken like a tree NEET retard

>>7293245
I plan on winning a nobel prize and the fields medal and a macarthur grant

>>7293321
My entire school had a lower acceptance rate than your engineering program

>>7293324
holy shit you're stupid

>>7291501
Religion and philosophy has come up with so very many useful ways to fuck with peoples heads throughout history so why would you say that?

>>7291500
Ah perfect. Here we even have the first example. ;)

>>7292414
the fuck are you talking about

>>7293322
yeah I plan on winning a nobel too
not eligible for the other stuff though

>>7291502
I dunno about OP but I know in the Bay Area if you go to a top CS school you could easily start with 100k salary.

>>7291945
why can't one wanna study what they love and compromise with the fact of wanting to live comfortably?

>>7291945
im not spending 50k b/c of love

>>7291308
>tfw chem/neuro double major
BASED
A
S
E
D

>>7293145

Design as in fashion design

>>7293424
What are your life goals

>>7293245
https://fliptomato.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/medical-researcher-discovers-integration-gets-75-citations/

>>7293290

>>7293443
Lmao
I'm good at pretty good at HS math and physics though. I just don't see myself succeeding in those subjects at the level I would like. I was considering majoring in math/physics

>>7293231
ChemE is basically a harder version of MechE.

>>7293333

All CS programs<span class="math">{}^{†}[/spoiler] are mostly the same in terms of textbooks, syllabi, & assignments and so highly watered down that middle school students could easily pass the courses with perfect averages.

<span class="math">{}^{†}[/spoiler] besides the scam schools you see on TV

>>7291636
>tfw EE + CS and math minor master race
It's like you guys aren't even trying.

>>7293453
gtfo christfag

>>7293463
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagger_%28typography%29

Your underage is showing.

>>7292065
>niggers are responsible for the UK welfare budget.
Literally every benefit scrounger article or programme ive ever seen has featured a white person. There are not enough black people in the UK to cause the issues that they do in the States. I dont see why blacks get blamed for every societal ill in this country, they hardly do anything apart from lead crime rates in the big cities and we only have 3 big cities anyway.

>>7292230
isnt theology simply a school of philosophy? Philosophy that attributes everything to a higher power. I dont see why that is any different to wacko philosophy branches that claim things stop existing when you stop looking at them etc.

>>7293475

>>7292546
People look down on millionaires and billionaires. What are you talking about?

>>7292236
Except philosophy has never answered any of those questions. Ever.

>>7293240
Just means they like the worst kind of math.

>>7293483
I dont get this dumb meme either. Every city has an immigrant quarter. Is the USA overrun by gooks because NY has a chinatown?

If all you care about is money, smart finance majors make over 100k out of college (anyone who doesn't get a bulge bracket/elite boutique ibanking, or buyside job out of college isn't very smart--they couldn't compete with other business majors), and spend their undergrad banging sorority girls and going to clubs on the money they made during their internships (jobs are like 80-100 hours a week at the star, though)...

God Tier: Math, Physics
High Tier--and I'd say the top guys in this are close to god tier: Engineering minus civil engineering, Chemistry
Mid Tier: Doctor (MD or PhD at a top research university. No dentists), Computer Science, Philosophy, Chemistry.

Everything else: Intellectually inferior maggots.

>>7291308
>philosophy on par with CS and astronomy
>chemistry above mechanical/civil engineering and on par with math/physics
>law not mid-tier
>music not waste of life tier
>psychology not low tier
>MECHANICAL AND CIVIL ENGINEERING SHIT TIER
This has to be bait.

Who /autodidact/ here?

>>7293630
fuck off sperg

>>7291308
If this is organized by career and/or earning prospects, it is bait.

>>7293631
Booty blasted chemistry major detected. Enjoy selling drugs and/or explosives for a living :^)

Should i study Astronomy or Chemistry

>>7293663
neither

>>7293663
Astrochemistry

I wanna be a fireman after I gtfo the /mil/

So wut do, I know I will have to painfully re-learn the Gen ed reqs among many things so I can catch up with my peers. I feel really dumb among these minds that congregate on /sci/.

>>7292626
>chemistry
>god tier

kek

>>7293516
no because gooks are koreans not chinese
jesus learn your lingos

If I'm a ME mayor, how hard will it be to get a MSc in aero?

>>7293822
>Central science
>Requires knowledge of diffeq, linear, group theory and other advanced maths
>Rigorous and diverse field that takes from many other disciplines without discrimination
>One of the most selective majors
>Can get high during lab sections on ether
not god tier?

You guys make me feel so bad having chosen psych as my major :(

>>7294420
>chosen psych as my major

how do you take yourself seriously?

>having strong negative opinions on a vaguely defined practice community as a whole
>having strong negative opinions on a vaguely defined practice youre not an expert in
>relying heavily on personal experiences and local processes but assuming the title scientist

Oh you wrote that myfunc.py all by yourself? I'm impressed.

>>7292626
>geology
>mid tier instead of low
>geological engineering
What the fuck

>>7294416
>requires knowledge of advanced maths
Everybody in the chemistry department says they at most use basic mathematics, unless obviously they're doing quantum chemistry, which is in the realm of physics anyways.

>caring about the opinions of dribbling autistic retards on le 4chinz
m8 most of the people shitposting here are in their sophomore year, have never done any form of scientific research in their entire lives, and talk out of their asses about majors they read up about on wikipedia.

it is no different than when boards like /a/ trash talk each others anime waifus

>>7292513
>Implying those are the same people posting.