/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7261349
Because CS majors are never taught how to work with their hands, or how to do anything outside of specific coding.
I've seen CS grad students go to IT consultants over the most retardedly simple problems with their computers.

>>7261349
What are your qualifications mate? You could get other jobs, although admittedly as an engineer the employers will expect you to code. Even as a Chemist I've had the displeasure of learning C because I had to program a microcontroller.

Mathfag here. They made me learn matlab and c.

>>7261360
Oh, and sas too.

>>7261349
Microchips mostly.

Fact is, in virtually all systems it's easier/more reliable to use ICs and combined with their low cost (~£1 for a quality 8 pin which is good enough in almost all cases) makes them a logical choice.

>why don't they hire someone who studied CS
LOLWUT.

CS fags might be good at theoretical shite, but when it comes to understanding how an electronic system works and making sure the IC functions as intended you need an EE.

>>7261356

I'm working on my bachelor's in EE but I only had 1 semester of C and I cant program for shit

>>7261349
>>7261354
>>7261356
>>7261360
>>7261365
>>7261365
>going to university for CS
>paying alot of money to learn C
>not using the internet and learning python and java on your free time and contributing to forum projects for your resume.

lol suckas.

>>7261376

can you actually become a real programmer in self study?

>>7261376
Did you even read what I wrote?
CS majors are retarded.

>>7261391
>can you actually become a real programmer in self study?
yes.
just study yourself. there are tons of youtube videos to help you. learn from a forum too and participate. lie on your resume once your are confident enough to handle the work load. programmers are monkey tier. you dont need expensive colleges and shit to get a piece of paper. that requirement is just to weed out the minorities since universities are racist as fuck.

same with science and engineering. you can learn it all by yourself if you are the self motivated person. you can even invest in your own lab equipment. universities can allow you to rent or use their equipment if you ask the dean and tell them your story and show some of your work.

as for medicine and law.....well you need to go to the university on that since youll be working on people and shit.

>>7261400
>CS majors are retarded.
maybe if you think that. you really dont need the university or college to teach you how to program, but i do wish everyone to be up to date with ethics, unbias world history, and philosophy in order to have people make better decisions in life.
but Computers and science is far from retarded buddy.

why programmers are needed:
>medical technology
>pharmaceutical technology
>bio science technology
>mathematical simulations
>auto cad technology
>aeronautic technology
>navigation systems
>accounting
>business
>geological technology
>marine and aqua mechanics technology
>physics
>astronomy
>biology in general
>entertainment
>porn industry

>>7261417
>>porn industry

what

>>7261417

I don't think he meant that CS is retarded. He meant the actual CS Major itself. Like, the fact that there's a major for a thing that you can probably learn more effectively on your own.

Anyone smooth-brained moron can recognize that CS is a good thing.

>>7261407
>universities can allow you to rent or use their equipment if you ask the dean and tell them your story and show some of your work.

lol, try walking into most chemistry departments asking to freelance and they'll laugh you right out the door.

Why on earth would they carry insurance for that shit?

>>7261438
>Why on earth would they carry insurance for that shit?
hmmmm............
insurance? you mean they dont carry insurance and would like to buy some?

>>7261376
>people actually believe this
Who the fuck do you think companies will hire when they are reviewing resumes?
>I spent 4 years at my accredited university aggressively studying the subject and am well versed in C++, Java, and Javascript. Here is a list of projects ive done for my courses as well along with a few I have done on my free time. Here is also my transcript as well as a list of my professors and advisors who all have more that positive things to say about my work ethic and overall competence.

VS

>um..uhh....i never went to college but ive taught myself how to do this stuff while working at Burger King. I don't really have any recommendations. Also here's my Brackey's account. I know how to do this I swear.

Debugging hardware is a lot trickier than debugging software. It helps if you understand physics, electromagnetism, and basic lab electrician skills.

a CS major wouldn't be very helpful if they didn't even know how a basic circuit works

>>7261407
Dog. I'm all for autodidactic shit. But you can even begin to call yourself a empirical scientist without any empiricism. Knowing how glycolysis works and designing and carrying out an experiment are two completely different things. The latter can't be learned from a book.

>>7261753
CS majors are kind of like...slaves

>>7261716
if an employeer asks you "do you know c"

the only correct answer is no. if you say yes then the interviewer immediate knows you are full of shit.

>>7261777
And why is that

>>7261354
This is actually true.

My Dad works for a telemetry independent contractor and hates all the comp sci people who work for him because they're idiots.

>>7261423

Why do so many people say you can learn CS on your own?

Who is doing the learning for you in apparently every major except for CS?

>>7261349

Why would they hire retards?

Not OP but I have job offers from Orbital and Lockheed. Any input on either?

>>7261371
>CS fags might be good at theoretical shit

No, they really aren't.

>>7261391

Yes, just don't stop at syntax. Learn some CS too.

>>7261417
>why programmers are needed:

*why programming knowledge is needed.

You don't need a driver to drive your car; you don't need a programmer to do your programming.

>>7261927
>Why do so many people say you can learn CS on your own?

Because that's what everyone does. CS couldn't be any easier.

>>7261946

>CS degrees don't have the same math and science prerequisites as engineering courses

>CS majors don't take Calc I, II, III, Diff. Equations, Matrix and Linear Algebr, Discrete Mathematics I and II, Mechanics, EM, and Quantum Physics, Chemistry I and II

>CS isn't accredited by the same body that accredits Engineering for PE licenses.

>CS students don't only have to take 30 something credits of any engineering major to dual enroll.

>Engineers aren't butthurt that their 'prestigious' degrees aren't actually that tough

>Engineers aren't disillusioned starting 50k

>Engineers aren't all gay.

>I spent 4 years on the internet aggressively studying the subject and am well versed in C++, Java, and Javascript. Here is a list of projects ive done to further my education, as well as a few just for fun. Here is also a list of open source projects I've contributed to, where my contributions have been well received.

VS

>um..uhh....i went to college to learn comp sci. Most of it was too theoretical to be of any real relevance to 99% of the work I would do here, and I still don't actually know how to program very well. I can solve FizzBuzz, I swear, but I'd rather regurgitate the big O complexity of a few sorting algorithms I memorized. What? Implement those sorting algorithms? Heh heh next question plz

>>7261716
>>7261984

>>7261980
>Mechanics, EM, and Quantum Physics

>implying intro physics I, II, & III is "Mechanics, EM, and Quantum Physics"

top kek

>>7261986
LOL this post is good.

seriously though, what's the point of even listing the pre-requisite math and science courses? those definitely are not the challenging part of an engineering degree (although clearly it was the most challenging part of this CS major's degree)

>>7261986

What? Did you not go to college ?

Every ABET CS and Engineering program requires these courses.

>>7261992

So what is the hardest part of any engineering degree if not learning the foundational concepts of math and science?

You can't seriously be an engineer and tell me that the major courses gave you problems?

You seriously want to sit there and tell me the major courses are HARDER than the weedout courses?

Did you have issues with the concepts or just the plug-n-chug on the quizes and exams?

>>7261980
>Calc I, II, III, Diff. Equations, Matrix and Linear Algebr, Discrete Mathematics I and II,

That's baby tier math

>Mechanics, EM, and Quantum Physics, Chemistry I and II

That's baby tier science

>>7262005

Those aren't weed out courses. They're the easiest part of the major.

>>7262013

Exactly. Engineering undergraduate degrees are full of baby science and baby math.

You aren't learning any new foundations in your major coursework.

You literaly only need to understand baby science and baby math to get an engineering degree.

>>7262013
>Those aren't weed out courses. They're the easiest part of the major.

No, those are all actual real weedout courses.

If you can pass those but have trouble with the major courses then you have a problem.

I dual majored CS and EE and the only EE class I had an issue with was signal processing.

ITT: engineers that work in programming because they passed their degree program but couldn't pass an interview.

>>7262005
pretty sure it's different at different schools.

Intro to Mat Sci/ Crytsallography was the weed out course for our department.

This is literally "my 15 stem classes are better than your 15 stem classes" the thread.

implying anyone in this thread could earn by degree due to lack of shill willpower of word salad.

BA Philosophy

I know a few self taught electrical engineers. They certainly exist, and lile what you woyld expect know a lot more that the guys with a BS. Including me.

The only fields you need degrees in out state mandated like law, medicine, and well professiknal engineering. Thoss guys will never have a PE.

Most of the stuff we do day to day has nothing to do with what we learn in college anyway, and if it does we can look it up fairly quickly... so most of you in this thread probably suffer feom self worth issues sorry to say.

>>7261962
Lockheed Martin has a lot of contractors aand fags who want to work for the CIA. A friend of mine that graduated with Aviation Engy worked for them for a while. Pretty good job security and quite a few benefits.He never elaborated on those tho.Thats all I really know.

Computer Science:

Quantum Information Theory
Spin-Based Quantum Information Processing
Quantum Algorithms
Nanoelectronics-Based Quantum Information Processing
Quantum Complexity
Optical Quantum Information Processing
Quantum Error Correction & Fault Tolerance
Quantum Cryptography

>Anyone is learning this on the Internet

>any undergrad engineer would understand any of this

>If I say the word "Quantum" enough, people will think I'm highly intelligent!

>>7261374
You are a worthless piece of shit then.
>>7261753
>>7261772
Amen.

My robotics firm hired 2 CS grad because they thought I am having too much workload in building these. Now I have to do my work and also handle these idiots who knows shit about hardware. Fucking hate CS fags.

>>7261980
all of those except mechanics, EM, and quantum physics are actually requirements for my CS dept. (but we have sci elective those classes would fill anyway). And honestly, they were way easier than the CS classes I've taken here. Math at least has some semblance of beauty and simplicity in it that makes it fun, CS turns into very unclear, not straightforward processes where there is very little documentation out there to help you. But, I'm tired of being bottom of the barrel poor my whole life so I'm studying something with some market value for when I graduate.

>>7261984
I agree this is more the reality of it. Been much more impressed with self taught, passionate coders. If I could go back, I would follow this route to become a software dev.