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So I heard that scientists plan to bring the tasmanian tiger and maybe even the woolly mammoth back with cloning. How do you view attempting to clone Neanderthals or Denisovans? At least one of them just to see if they were capable of speech and how intelligent they really were? Or would that be too much "playing god" for you? I personally would be ecstatic if that happened.

>> No.7259896

The SJWs will interfere and force them to add more melanin because white is evil.

>> No.7259904

>>7259894
Anyone who's against "playing god" is an Untermensch and should be walked upon.

It would definitely be neat, but it would be difficult to do social experiments with.

>> No.7259912

>>7259904
I still think that it's the best option to fins the answers to all the questions we have about them.

>> No.7259920

Cloning requires an active and alive cell that can be coaxed into becoming a stem cell. This is then placed in utero (into a compatible surrogate mother's womb). We have frozen and semi-preserved mammoth cells that have a chance to be revivable, I'm not sure about the tasmanian tiger, but if they are claiming to be able to clone it, they would have to have some potential cells.

We don't have any neanderthal or denisovan cells (or dinosaur cells for that matter, sorry jurrasic park!) that would be viable for reviving.

I don't think our technology is advanced enough to produce a completely artificial womb yet, so a compatible mother is still required. Picking one that won't result in their immune system just attacking the foreign cell instead of incubating it will be a monumental task, as even foreign cells from the same species are frequently rejected by the host.

>> No.7259931

>>7259894
How about T-Rex? Please don't leave T-Rex alone ;_;

>> No.7259959

>>7259931
Kind of dangerous but just 1 for science wouldn't hurt tbh.

>> No.7259960

>>7259931
You can actually selectively de-evolve chickens into dinosaurs

>> No.7259962

>>7259960
That made me think of spiders and how they were around since dinosaurs and are still around being spiders. Damn creepy lil shits.

>> No.7259974

>>7259920
I'm pretty sure Sapiens womb can deal with Neanderthal.

As for cells, we just gotta keep looking for frozen specimens.

>> No.7259994

>>7259894
But there's already living denisovans in australia.

>> No.7260007

>>7259994
Rude

>> No.7260144

I don't even want them to brink back mammoths

where will that fucker live? All his pals are dead, his habitat is gone, his food is gone. It's scientific circlejerk for the sake of it

as for cloning humans or predecessors to humans , it's just cruel. The above still applies, plus they're far too intelligent to be viewed as test mice. Also clone bodies are fucked up anyway so it adds to the torture

>> No.7260235

>>7259920
Do we have a complete set of DNA for a neanderthal? Hypothetically, could we copy the DNA and insert it into a sperm/egg and produce a clone that way?

>> No.7260342

>>7260144
>All his pals are dead, his habitat is gone, his food is gone.
Uh... the clone would be a totally new person. Cloning =/= Resurrection. His habitat is still here, Earth didn't go anywhere :P The food is here as well. And we will be his pals as we are humans too :P

>> No.7260362

>>7260342

Not that anon but you're assuming they will be capable of dealing with 1900's/2000's human speech patterns, diet, environments, tools and pathogens.

It would be like me sending you 50,000 years in the future and seeing how well you can deal with 52,015 human (if they will even call themselves humans anymore) habits and living.

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7260367

Sebastien is that you?

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7260389

>>7260367
you bet your ass it is

>> No.7260394

>>7260362
I watched a documentary about human evolution and it said modern humans and neanderthals have at least one of the more important genes for speech in common because language evolved with one of our common ancestors. Neanderthals had their own languages and they've been lost forever... We can't even know what our ancestors first languages sounded like. It's kinda maddening.

>> No.7260444

>>7260394
There are thousands and thousands of languages that existed and are now gone. 100000-150000 of sapien history had unwritten languages, and unwritten languages are the ones who change and evolve the faster, which means there was probably an insane linguistic diversity on earth back then. Then you have neanderthal history, and I don't see any good reason as to why they shouldn't have language. Their tech was too advanced for them not to be able to deal with and to communicate abstract ideas.

So we have 250k years of unknown languages, lost in the past, and all we have out of it is indo-european, which we can only estimate the structures and main phonetics components.

>> No.7260484

>>7259894
>I personally would be ecstatic if that happened.

Why?

>> No.7260670

>>7260484
because it's exciting

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7260782

>>7259894
>implying neanderthals ever went extinct

>> No.7260921

>mfw Neanderthal is more intelligent than modern humans and it is confirmed that whites are simply the half-breeds of Neanderthal and mud races.

>> No.7260928

>>7260782
Thanks, /sci really needed that Aryan bullshit.

>> No.7260952

>>7260782
Look at all this bullshit. Look at it.

>> No.7260957

As cool as that would be the problem is "what the fuck do we do with him ?" I mean you can't do ton of test on kid.

And anyway we don't have enough ADN material (if we use what we have he would just be a regular human.)

>> No.7261070

>>7260921
No, neanderthals had bigger brains, but that doesn't mean more intelligence. Their skulls were flatter, meaning their brains were shaped differently and the parts that would be smaller because of it had to do with cognitive thinking and other aspects of intelligence.

>> No.7261701

>>7260782
For a second I thought that I'm still in /pol/