/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7226114
I don't care about the gender of other students, why do you?

>Your opinion
None, if they can get the research done they are fine. Same with guys.

>biological or social reason they don't enter.
A lot of women I know want to have children some day, and seeing as women have a biological clock that men never experience, it makes sense why some aren't really interested in pursuing degrees that may take 10 years to get.

>>7226114
-Nothing really
-Maybe they don't feel welcome?
-No

I don't care but I feel most of them shouldn't and don't want to be there, but this doesn't apply just to females

>>7226114
Engineering major here.

I wish we got more girls. Sucking cock gets boring after a while. But I don't want to lower myself into studying some easy degree like math just to have girls in my classroom.

Women in STEM give me a boner if they're even average in looks.

>>7226391
kek

Math is truly masterrace: Hardest degree + 30% of students are girls.

>>7226421
I have actually debated switching to a math degree because of the less strict requirements and easier courses.
To say it's hard is subjective

>>7226114
- I'd really like seeing more girls interested on STEM, an ambient with just guys is boring sometimes. However, only if they enter by merit, not by some stupid attempt of social justice.

- biological, due their maternity - driven instincts, and sociological, due to stereotypes. Being unwelcome? Really never saw that, unless they try to force some behavior that isn't coherent with the group - the classical "omg, take it easy on me, I'm a girl" . Fuck you, no one has to done any shit just because you're a spoiled princess.

- I try to not give them any prejulgament, but I confess that I have a friendlier attitude towards them.

>>7226114
I think it's just sexism. Just read this thread.

Women have the grades and brains to do it, but they choose other fields. At least they are taking over medicine here in my country of Canada.

>>7226465
>medicine
>brains
Try again.

>>7226114
I get tired of these questions because they are always asked.

>How do you guys feel about girls entering science or even the really hard mathematics-oriented fields?
Don't care as long as they are happy with those paths.

>Do you believe there is some biological or social reason they don't enter?
IDK.

>Furthermore, are you biased towards girls who do enter these fields?
Read answer 1.

Women are currently getting professorships at a rate of 2:1 over men in the STEM fields.

Deal with it nerds

>>7226114
Women have different brains. Their wiring is different. Sciences and abstract fields are not a great choice for women.

>>7226512
Yes, that's happening because of the social pressures but that doesn't mean this is a good thing.

When better and brighter people are not given positions because their gender is wrong, society itself will suffer.

This discrimination will be the end of US dominance in sciences. Other countries don't engage in these crazy discrimination schemes and they will get stronger as the result.

i think that women should have an equal chance as everyone else. your ability should give you access and nothing else.

in terms of bias, i would say i am in favor of them when compared to people from other backgrounds. i like being able to discuss my work with other educated people, i can't really do this with non-stem

I feel hard in my pants over the prospect.
Solve triple integrals with me and let me put my Gaussian cylinder in your electromagnetic field bb.

>>7226576
Not sure if this is true (2:1), but it makes sense if so. Lots of the best men go into industry to make money, but that's constantly evolving. Women take time off for child birth and rearing, and so would get left behind in industry. Academia - teaching and the occasional research paper (at least at non-research focused schools) makes sense as a career path for women in STEM who want to have kids. So, the if the best women are applying to be professors, it makes sense that they're, overall, more qualified than the men who are divided between industry and academia.

>>7226114
As long as they get work done efficiently and don't distract me, I don't care. What I don't want are attention whores.

>>7226765
http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360

It's true

>>7226576
As long as the best people get jobs it's fine. This is simply an observation that they're getting hired at a higher rate.

>>7226114
>Do you believe there is some biological or social reason they don't enter?

I would say the reason is inherently biological for most women, but is exacerbated by the social.

I think this is a good watch for anyone interested in the reason why certain fields tend to be dominated by one sex.

https://vimeo.com/19707588

>>7226949
Oh, I should add an interesting point from the documentary.

In nations where there is much financial difficulty such as India, more women tend to go into STEM fields. This is likely because there is a greater pressure to make money and survive.

On the contrary, nations with a relatively high standard of living and "gender equality" tend to be more polarized (e.g., civil engineering is dominated by men, but nursing is dominated by women).

I think this is interesting because it offers some credibility to the notion that when men and women are "free" to do as they please with little to no financial pressure, they will go with their natural instincts.

Something to think about.

>>7226118
because to sex them

>>7226421
>hard degree
>30% are girls
Anon I have bad news.

>>7226114
•I'm here and I don't give a fuck. I like STEM so I went into STEM. That's all.
•They're not interested for one reason or another. For me STEM has always been an interest of mine and my mom always went out of her way to engage me with academic materials (let me read her medical textbooks, indulged my countless library trips, took me to science museums, etc.) so it just sort of ended up as being inevitable. I think the point of no return was my 7th birthday party when my presents were a Game Boy Color and a microscope. Shit was rad.
•Return to point one.

>>7226452
>stupid attempt of social justice.
SJWs don't enter STEM because they're retarded and don't understand the concept of 'be the change you want to see' and go for liberal arts and gender studies degrees and then just yell at people on twitter thinking that they matter.

One animu deserves another.

>How do you guys feel
>feels thread

stopped reading

>>7226421
My high-school math teacher had a postgraduate math degree. She was pretty hot, but one of the stupidest teachers I ever had.

>>7226114
Here's a non-troll and non-biased look at the facts.

>>7226465
>Women have the grades and brains to do it, but they choose other fields.

The smartest women by grades go into engineering and successful applicants to engineering are 50% women (which is university policy at most institutions) and yet only 20% of engineering graduates are women.

So clearly we can draw a few conclusions from this phenomenon:

>A. "Cultural" factors etc. are bullshit, there is a lot of interested women who are trying to become engineers.*
>B. A lot of women are perfectly capable of becoming engineers (20% is still a 1 out of every 5 engineering graduates, that adds up to just over 10 000 women graduating engineering annually in the US alone).
>B.2 This also shows that while clearly not all women all equal as some are much higher on the bell curve, it collaborates IQ studies that show the narrower IQ distributions of women compared to men, meaning that women with slightly above average intelligence are more common than men, but highly intelligent women are rarer than highly intelligent men.
>C. High-school grades say nothing about how successful a person will be in higher level academia. Diligence, discipline and hard work won't always be a substitute for (genetic?) fluid intelligence and creative problem solving skills.
>D. Medicine, as we've always known, is mostly about memorization and requires very little open problem solving so pure hard work and diligence is rewarded. This makes it the perfect profession for most women, who are good at concentrating for long periods in structured, organized environments.
>E. No amount of shilling and additional bias is going to change the statistics for certain professions, when equity has already been pushed for decades with little effect.


*And in fact, there is more stigma coupled with women being shamed for wanting a career OTHER than STEM rather than STEM itself: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/truth-women-stem-careers/

At my uni, KCL, girls are given a £3000pa grant if they choose to study stem. This grant is only available to women and the purported purpose is to balance the playing field and lure more females into a Male dominated field.
Firstly, I find this incredibly unfair, as in the English education system, there is literally NOTHING that could stop women from having the opportunity to choose maths, physics, engineering etc. But the fact of the matter is that they just don't want to on the whole. To discriminate against a high performing, dedicated male, who had had his heart set on stem from the start purely on the basis of gender, to pander to women who might have their entire career choice swayed by a BRIBE is sickening.
Secondly, many universities in the uk are already female dominated. KCL is over 65% female already! Why are there not equal grants for men choosing sociology, literature, psychology etc. (All female dominated fields). These sorts of blatant double standards are simultaneously patronising to women, and discriminatory towards men. Why do women need to be bribed into doing tech degrees? It's pathetic.

I could keep ranting and ranting but yet again universities are proving themselves to be tools of a whiny middle class that only seeks to leech a free, worthless, education on the backs of working class taxpayers to further perpetuate class struggle. God I hate girls.
I pray to the sweet baby Jesus that men can at least keep the last bastion of academia that hasn't been softened and delegitimised by pandering to the middle classes. The less women in stem the better.

>>7226114
>How do you guys feel about girls entering science or even the really hard mathematics-oriented fields?
go for it, my fetish is smart women but you hardly ever see that.

>Do you believe there is some biological or social reason they don't enter?
There is SOME reason why they don't pursue STEM degrees and I'm not sure why. It's probably a combination of many things from the looks of it right now.

>Furthermore, are you biased towards girls who do enter these fields?
Yes, from the pure data of how women fare in STEM fields I know that its pretty likely that whatever woman I see probably won't do so well. However if I can collect more data on them then I can make a better judgement.

>>7227222
I remember stanford or some university doing a study where they separated the men and women's programming courses and saw an increased attendance and pass rate from women. They basically figured out that fucking computer NERDS were the reason that women didn't want to become computer programmers and software engineers.

>>7227235
Right, and computer science is not engineering and there are far more women in CS than engineering. And information technology (IT) degrees are in fact female dominated.

So it's stigmatized because programming is for icky, creepy nerds, not because of "muh intelligence" or "muh oppression" (other students don't affect your career, they have no power over you). Many girls at uni are looking for a good husband too, not just to study. I know men that have changed majors to a programme with hotter girls as well.

>>7227246
To be fair, some of the men who DO show up in CS are rather off putting, and I'm saying this as a guy; The cringe is real.

For someone who is not dead set in one career, heaving to spend a decade in close contact with those folks is a negative point for CS.

>>7227246
I'm arguing the same thing might be happening in engineering but I'm not sure. If this is the case then its really our fault for not beating those nerds hard enough in high school.

> (other students don't affect your career, they have no power over you).
careful with this bud, this is never completely true. everything everyone does has SOME effect on you, it just may not be that large in some cases.

>>7227252
In real life engineering is a chad major where autism is actively discouraged.

>>7227251
>>7227252
I'm sorry, but no, students do not have any power over you, they aren't allowed to touch or harass you or you could literally sue them.

University isn't high-school.

>>7227258
>In real life engineering is a chad major where autism is actively discouraged.
Literally the most retarded thing I've read. I don't know what kind of shitty engineering school you went to but this was NOT the case for me bud.

>I'm sorry, but no, students do not have any power over you, they aren't allowed to touch or harass you or you could literally sue them.
Spoken like a true retard. Everyone has power over you if they do the right things bud. There are more ways to make someone do something than just through physical strength.

>>7227262
>I don't know what kind of shitty engineering school
ICL, most of us lift, git gud at life son. You're probably in something like software "engineering" which is why you think you know anything about real engineering.

>physical strength.
I literally talked about "talking", not fucking physical harassment are you nuts? Anything a student says that you don't like and you can sue them for libel.

>>7227266
nigga i study CS and lots of us lift too

lifting doesn't make you less autistic, it just makes you into more of a sick cunt.

>>7227270
I think you misunderstood what I meant by "autism".

Like sincere ponyfucker autism, not eccentricities, which is actually an attractive trait to many people.

>>7226114
>How do you guys feel about girls entering science or even the really hard mathematics-oriented fields?
Awesome.

>>7227274

* Also thinking that's proper autism is the equivalent of thinking tose "I'm so nerdy xD" hot girls who wear non-prescription glasses are actually awkward and ponyfucker-tier nerdy.

>>7227262
Engineering jobs go to chads. It doesn't matter how smart you are, you won't get an engineering job if you're an autist.

>>7227278
I love those girls. they are fun bangs.

>>7227279
You don't even have to be chad, just be cool.

>>7227282
They're retards.

>>7227294
Yeah but it's not like you're expecting to any sort of revelatory conversation with them.

>>7227295
True.

>>7227262
>Everyone has power over you if they do the right things bud.
Except in this case we're talking about nerds driving women away because they aren't attractive enough.
Most of these men would very much like to be attractive, but they fall short in women's eyes because of the preferences and standards the women themselves create.

>>7226114
I don't feel anything except a minor prejudice of annoyance that the woman has probably received too much affirmative action before her path has crossed my own.

I think women are not interested in these fields because their curiosities are tuned mainly towards emotion and human behavior. They also may not statistically have the raw brainpower that is needed for hard mathematics that men have.

I find it a bit threatening when a woman comes into a field with an attitude molded from brainwashing and basically attempts to hijack work that is spiritual for many of us. I feel the women who have the soul for this will go into on their own and will actually fit in because her mind and attitude are aligned with the goals of the men.

I'm an EE undergrad and there was still about 50 girls in my 2nd year class of 250. This was due to my school having this biomedical eng program and we shared courses.

They were all mostly Asian and were only concerned with getting good grades for med school.

A lot of girls go into civil and chemical engineering. I get civil but I am still confused as to why chemical.

>>7227429
>50 girls
>>7227429
>biomedical eng program

xDDDD

I dunno OP. My 12 year old daughter gets gold awards for ICT (Information computer technology) every month.

Her choice for next year? Geography, drama and art. No ICT.
Go figure.

>>7226114
It has been my general experience that there are many women in laboratory settings. They typically excel in cognitive thinking and technical ability. There are many in the field of math for that same reason. The odd thing is there is an overwhelming amount of men in engineering.

>>7226114
>How do you guys feel about girls entering science or even the really hard mathematics-oriented fields?

More power to them

>Do you believe there is some biological or social reason they don't enter?

As hard as I try to tow the line of acceptable opinion, I just can't help but feel that the female under performance is biological in nature. I'm a bigot, I know.

>Furthermore, are you biased towards girls who do enter these fields?

God no.

>>7226114
There are simply fewer women than men who are talented enough to succeed in STEM. Those who are talented enough, welcome, have fun. But just because there are fewer women doesn't mean there's an inherent problem in the field. Is there a problem with war because there are fewer women soldiers? Is there a problem with coal mining because there are fewer women coal miners? Let's enough with this identity politics bullshit.

>>7226421
>Hardest degree

For scrubs like you maybe. Math is easy to me. In my school, the nr. 1 course to turn excellent students into dropouts was Electrophysics.

>>7227461
Toe the line. Not tow

>>7227483
I could either call you a grammar nazi, or say shit I misspelled it. Pick the answer you prefer.

>>7227266
>ICL, most of us lift, git gud at life son.
>He thinks lifting will make him less autistic
laughingbitches.jpg

>I literally talked about "talking", not fucking physical harassment are you nuts? Anything a student says that you don't like and you can sue them for libel.
>I'm sorry, but no, students do not have any power over you, they aren't allowed to touch or harass you or you could literally sue them.
You're retarded.

>>7226114
half the girls in my department just find the smartest neckbeard and cheat off them. theres a few who are good, most are just their because of the handout scholarships and diversity quotas guaranteeing them a job after they graduate.

>>7227494
It's OK. You're forgiven

>>7226450
>>7227018
>>7227197
>>7227475
Engineers detected. You guys understand I can derive all the stuff you study so hard for without even thinking about it?

Maybe you go to a shit uni where the math degree is a bad, but in the real world, math is infinitely harder than engineering.

>>7227475
>Electrophysics

Theoretical Physics here, we seem to have the least women compared to other studies in my faculty (which includes even CS). There's slightly more in astrophysics and CS, loads more in math and the ratio in the variations on chemistry seem to sometimes even be 1:1. I want to say it's just stereotyping but honestly I think maybe women here are more focused on getting a good job than becoming some autistic fuck researching esoteric shit only a couple hundred people in the world would understand. The few women I know seem to be really set on getting a PhD, no matter what exactly in, which leads me to think they have being a role model as a big priority.

>>7228038
>Engineering
>Derive

Good one. As if real engineering problems can be modeled with anything other than empirical equations.

I personally know only one female engineer irl. She's the ditziest girl I know, and I haven't a clue how she passed her classes without some sort of assistance. Probably helps that her father was a local elected official. Never had her pegged for STEM.

As to girls in STEM in general it's fine as long as they want to be there and earn their place.

I'm a biochemist, so I have to deal with it since they make up like half the field.
As long as they aren't dicks, whatever.

>>7227222
>>D. Medicine, as we've always known, is mostly about memorization and requires very little open problem solving so pure hard work and diligence is rewarded. This makes it the perfect profession for most women, who are good at concentrating for long periods in structured, organized environments.
Doctor and computer programmer are extremely feminine jobs. I don't know why people don't recognize this more

>>7227258
>In real life engineering is a chad major where autism is actively discouraged.
what

>>7226949
Man fuck the norwegian "scientists"
>here are studies that show some gender differences, what's your opinion?
>bullshit, because it contradicts my theory that has no room for biology.
the the other guy:
>my hypothesis is that there aren't any differences, everything is shit and I'm right. These researchers just want to see what they're looking for.

Is engineering more high stress/chaotic than other fields?

Could explain why chicks love chushy lab jobs and math degrees.

>>7227223
If that's your tax payer money being used right to local MP to complain.Even if they find some loophole to void discrimination is still within your rights to bitch about it.

I'm not even being sarcastic.If you don't how the Government does things. Complain about it.

Don't like a new law. Complain. Don't think we should be in foreign war. Complain. Don't like poll Tax? Complain.it won't happen overnight but eventually it will sink in.

That said your from the UK however think twice about using your real name.

>>7226114
They totally should get into anything they are able to; imagine if there were a lot more capable minds in science/engineering today if women got into any such fields as commonly as men; how much more advanced could we have been if this was always the norm?

Getting a PhD quite often requires you to have very little social life outside of your lab, to say nothing of starting and raising a family etc. I've seen plenty of female postdocs start families soon after they get their PhD; it's not like you are doomed to become a spinster if you take up the science mantle, but that seems to be a prevailing fear. Truth be told I know that good chunk of the female PIs at the place I'm at are single.. some never married. A possible biological factor would be that girls, having superior social interaction/thinking skills, are not very keen on putting themselves in an environment where they're basically sealed off from society over something that many of their current social peers might not grasp nor care about the value of anyway; women (so it seems) value their friendships more than men and are less likely to trash their social plane-scape over a very hard career that is not at all going to be a guaranteed win in life anyway.

Additionally, math and engineering being so very male-dominated probably just makes it feel intangibly wrong to seriously go for. It has not so much to do with intellect as it just feeling like it's not a right role for them to want, and that being felt as a societal pressure (again women value social perceptions more), that's what does it. Even so I hope in the future that all fields equalize, not as some cost to males in particular but for the betterment of science; there statistically must be a female Einstein or Newton and she better get the chance to shine.

>>7231459
0/10

Serious question coming through.

Has anyone else noticed that women gravitate towards chemistry?

I am in one of the few engineering majors with woman (chemical engineering). There are woman in engineering!, the ones who want to be here already are here and if an employer or prof tries to single out a girl, he will get the shit sued out of them.

I don't hate groups like "woman in engineering and science" because woman dominate life sciences, and do fucking fine in the natural sciences, medicine, etc. But where the fuck is men in early child education or men in psychology or men in womans studies. I mean this is about equality right? not just trying to social engineer woman into high positions in society, right?

Even thought I would love to see more women, when people decry the 'need' for more women in STEM but I have yeah to hear anyone satisfactorily articulate *why* we need women in STEM.

>>7231477
Anon it's all about trying to social engineer women into high positions of society. It was always about this, like when they didn't get consigned to the draft in exchange for their right to vote - which was the deal for men of the time and in many places to this day.

>>7231489
Because STEM positions are respected, even by retards.

Nobody gives a shit about how many female ditch diggers or garbage truck drivers there are, because feminism is a female supremacy movement.

>>7231495
That's probably is it, but I like to imagine they think that scientist will simply go extinct unless we get more woman scientists.

Call me naïvely equitarian just simply just contemptuous to my betters but I don't hold the guy who working on my next iPhone to the guy who picks up my trash. They're just jobs. One might be better than the other but they have no value or role to society that can't be done by someone else without too much hassle.

>>7231548
Yeah that thing about trashguy and iphone guy is bullshit. You know you wouldn't fucking listen to the trashguy's selfpublished youtube series on quantum mechanics unless he had the relevant credentials.
And you probably wouldn't want the iphone guy going through your trash.

Anyway, I know what you're saying, but regardless if you don't think trash guys are worthless you definitely wouldn't hold them in higher esteem than the iphone dude. Therefore trashguy <= iphone guy, never above.

>>7226114
Science is incredibly time consuming. If a girl ever wants to raise children it's not an attractive field to get into. It doesn't help that academic lab culture is incredibly toxic and uninviting.

>>7231550
Like fuck I would.

If I wanted to know about trash I'd ask the trash collector.

Likewise If I wanted to know about iPhones I would go to an iPhone... Guy. Because that's his *speciality*. Sure it's safe to share the latter would be more educated than the former but doesn't mean he knows he know Jack about stuff outside his field and I'd take his views with a pinch of salt because of it.

Just look at all YouTube videos by people with maths or engineer degrees pushing how the earth is only 4000 years old or Man coexisted with dinosaurs.


If Bob the Garbo was also the associate professor of theoretical physics I wouldn't turn my nose up at him because he drove garbage trucks for a living (Metaphorically of course, probably have to do it literally because yes that shit smells).

Academic prestige doesn't always translate to paying the bills.

>>7231550
Sorry to go full liveblog on you, I just flip out in a Tumblr induced rage that have in my when people tell me what I 'really' think.

You know type. 'Sure you *say* you're not a racist but i'm sure you cross the road when you see a black man...'

Anyway yeah, if I had to pick between the two. Of course I've pick being Steve Jobs over the trashman. it pays more and means less physical drudgery. But I would act like I was better because of it. Just that the job was better.

>>7231593
Yes, and your post claiming to earnestly hold trashworkers in equal regard as everyone else while simultaneously wishing to be regarded as a rational person threw me into a similar hissy fit.

Anyway, uh, yeah I don't like being told what people think I 'really' think either, but the example you gave is more or less the same. The discomfort is more in the confronting an inaccurate belief about yourself than the delivery though I think. I assumed that you're a rational person and told you what a rational person would think; so what?

>>7226114
I like it, they are extremely horny when finals are near. Even a naive and insecure dumbass like me can than pull some girls that are normally pretty far out of my league

>>7231625
>The discomfort is more in the confronting an inaccurate belief about yourself than the delivery though I think. I assumed that you're a rational person and told you what a rational person would think; so what?

Now I'm trying to be reasonable here... but come on dude. You can't use the fact you succeeded in pissed me off as *evidence* that you were must've been correct.

You pissed me off because telling me what I 'really' think is a surefire way of pissing me off. Which you yourself said you find annoying.

But yeah I'll bit. There's more prestige in being a computer program a guy than a guy who picks up trash. Who wouldn't want that? I certainly do.

...I'm still gonna give you shit though for thinking you're the other guy but.

Because fuck it, praise is the one-way street with me. Why bother praising the jobs of others? The reason I have the same respect for the guy building my next phone and picking up my trash is becuase it's not about personal effort or achievement it's about what they can do for me ME.

And back to the matter at hand, that's probably why women should go into STEM.

Not because the field need bright hard working women or anyhing but because hey the pay is good and it's a cushy office job right?
women should go into STEM

>>7231670

>>7226114
>Do you believe there is some biological or social reason they don't enter?

Yes, but I don't know why this is always blown way out of proportion. Like to admit there's a biological reason that makes women who have an affinity for maths rarer means you're a sexist dinosaur, or that to be for women in stem you have to pretend that there's no biological difference. You can be neutral on the gender of your scientists and accept that there will be more of one type for biological reasons for the same reason there are more black men in the 100m sprint and more men in professional soccer teams necessitating the invention of women's leagues.

>Furthermore, are you biased towards girls who do enter these fields?

I have a deep suspicion of people who self-identify with some sort of group and cling to it. Like women who make a big deal of women in STEM. Omg guise there's a women in STEM conference tomorrow all the girls should come! Having a vagina and reading physics books is so hard :(.

If they're just a regular student scientist I couldn't give less of a shit. I will assume their chosen subject is probably medical physics or astronomy and that they don't like the maths or programming aspects of physics though, because 95% of the time it's true.

>>7226114
I can guarantee that any girl who goes into mathematics is just some upper-middle class liberal who will drop it the second she gets bored of trying to look threatening to men.
If there happens to be a girl who likes mathematics and still retains her modesty and her charm then I should like to marry her promptly.

>>7226114
>How do you guys feel about girls entering science or even the really hard mathematics-oriented fields?
It's great, most of our fields badly need more women
Sausage parties are not fun

>biological reason
Nope, if it was biological we'd have more women (they're better at sitting still for 8 hours doing tedious busywork, see ADHD rates for an obvious example)

>social reason
Yes obviously, since society pretty much sends the message that these fields are for turbonerds with no social skills

>Furthermore, are you biased towards girls who do enter these fields?
Since i'm attracted to women, I can't say "No" with certainty, since subconsciously i'm sure I'm at least a little biased towards people I find attractive.
However, I try not to ever let that interfere with serious work.

>>7227446
I wonder who could be responsible for that...

in all likelihood it's not you, but tv/classmates/everyone she meets when she's not home

>>7231477
It's actually to get more worker bees for Mr Dollar. Now they love this because it's new and better than cleaning toilets. In a few generations they'll complain about wageslaving the same way we do.

>>7232634
You're a bit of an faggot though, I don't see why anyone'd want to marry you, unless they are an homosexual man.

>>7226114
Go search Erika Artukovic UCLA, physics PhD. She was a nerd who blossomed into a rose.

>tfw calc III professor and wife both work in math department
>you will never research and do math together with a qt girl
>you will never ever struggle with a problem only for your qt to solve it for you quickly and give you a kiss
>you will never enrich each other's opportunities
why fucking live?