/sci/ - Science & Math

It would most likely fucking die tbh
You'd have to make lots of them m8

The factors that go into an embryo developing in a healthy way are astoundingly complex and I can safely say that you do not have the capabilities to come even remotely close to your goal of actually fostering human embryo growth.

>>7222816
So lets get beyond theoretical and get literal, what exactly do I need to do it? I'm talking biological materials, lab equipment etc. Let's assume my budget is limitless or a non issue.

>>7222818
Okay I can take the criticism and I appreciate it, but then who does have the capabilities then? What types of people/ communities should I get involved with for this kind of research? Simply telling me I can't do it doesn't really give me an idea of the actions I need to take to get to the point where I CAN do it.

>>7222813
Come on this is interesting stuff help me out guys. This is literally the kind of shit /sci/ is supposed to live for, playing fucking god.

>>7222827
You cant do it because of practical restrictions. Its isnt a matter of "heat up to temperature, add amino acids and sugars etc." theres all kinds of proteins from the mother that are essential to growth that are wildly impractical to supply.

Organisations that are suitably large to overcome these practical issues are gimped by ethical restrictions and "you am play god" mentalities.

If theres anywhere that has the capabilities to do it, it would be some shadowy government department staffed entirely by people with no external connections, since scientific communities tend to be fairly promiscuous when it comes to collaboration. Good luck finding a group.

At the end of the day, leaving aside questions of possibility, it is much easier to grow a baby in a female host than it is in a glass jar. Given the borderline criminal underfunding of science sectors worldwide, there would need to be some huge benefit to doing this that cant be countered with "overpopulation".

The whole "science isnt about why, its about why not" thing thats common in popsci can often be countered with perfectly logical reasons that inspire a "oh thats why not"

>>7222813
What's OP's pic?

>>7222813
Biggest bait seen in a while

>>7222822
1) get a female slave.
2) ???
3 enjoy

>>7222834
>playing fucking god

We have no interest for more humans. We could give a fuck to destroy shit because it's fun.

>>7222813

Fuck.

>>7222834
Go be an underaged retard somewhere else

>>7222862
This is what pisses me off about mainstream society, science isn't hurr durr "funded" so all kinds of cool and interesting shit never gets to happen (or at least doesn't become public) because oldman sacks and jp morgan didn't ordain an approval to do so. I think you're right and agree with you which is what makes this even shittier, it's not just about this particular topic either the same bullshit mentality could be applied to anything in science. More or less experiment X is "immoral" or "unethical" so you can't do it no so says a bunch of backwards retards. Every goddamn stem cell research company I find on the net seems to be ball and chained by stupid laws regarding their production, some I kind of understand like maybe where the cells are obtained from, like when they used human embryos directly, but the rest are completely retarded. The US government can spend 300 billion$ making drones, missiles, and fucking airplanes but it can't pinch off enough dosh to invest in better medical technology? I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

>>7222834
"Playing god" puts some sort of moral label on it, this is simply exploring human development outside of the body.

>>7222928
Why so emotional?
If the planet is so bad, then leave, you'll do the people around you a favor by not being alive to complain anymore

>>7222931
It's a figure of speech I know what you mean though, I'll try to stop using the phrase, old habits die hard.

>>7222928
Donate your living body to a private research group in a third world country if you want to help with the creation of interesting things.

>>7222937
It's not the planet itself obviously it's a fucking futurama meme.

>>7222938
Nah you dont have to change,
I was just analyzing you

>>7222942
Why does it have to be a 3rd world country?

>>7222928
>oldman sacks and jp morgan didn't ordain an approval to do so


It's because spending billions to make something that is already perfectly fine is batshit insane.

>>7222944
Oh a meme,
When you get through puberty the emotions should start to settle then.

>>7222952
Seriously? What does the developmental stage of my reproductive organs have to do with this discussion may I so kindly ask?

>>7222942
heh, reminds me of the shitty corpses many med schools have to work with nowadays

the first time we got to see a real one in first year anatomy, our prof got to the lungs and someone asked why they were so shriveled, blackened, and diseased-looking, prof said "oh, we got these from a TB quarantine camp"

>>7222950
"Already perfect" oh wow man holy shit that's funny I gotta take a break from this site, This is enough 4chan for today.

>>7222949
Less likely to avoid doing something because of their morals.

>>7222969
I'm not that guy but you're a retard.

>>7222969
Explain me what you could upgrade with a machine utero ?

>>7222813
Something like pic related - and maybe 1000 attempts. Not to mention the unfertilized eggs to go with.

Mail order wives are cheaper, more efficient, and more entertaining.

>>7222972
So a place that is less developed technologically is MORE likely to have less morality than a place that is, what the fuck I can't even!?!!?! Japan is a first world country they have 0 morals from what I can tell.

>>7222879
Murder.

>>7222980
I like how a bunch of people assume that I'm trying to make this thing to fuck it or enslave it, sounds like you guys are the ones with issues not me. I would treat the life if it became sentient with some modicum of respect and give it rights FFS just like any naturally born human, even though that doesn't happen in a lot of places on earth still.

>>7222994
Didn't say any such thing...

...Also as to the various people claiming ethical issues with this, I don't see any... Aside from maybe the number of failed post-conception attempts you're likely to have.

But if you can design a reliable artificial womb... What's the problem? All sorts of women have issues breeding due to damaged wombs and the like, but perfectly viable eggs. You'd potentially be doing them a service.

...and it's not as if you'd be replacing women. Can't do that until you find a way to make artificial eggs.

>>7222990
Fuck off.

>>7222979
We could learn more about embryonic development, like exactly the kind of conditions that allow for it to happen without the natural reproductive organs. This is not some attempt to replace sex either it's just an experiment. Other things we might be able to do on this level are things like genetic engineering, not for aesthetic purposes even though that remains a possibility, but for functional purposes. We could prevent and even discover better treatments for hereditary disorders that cause age related degenerative diseases such as dementia, alzheimer's etc.

If I impregnate a human their are far more consequences than if I did this...

>>7222813
You do understand you sound like a huge fucking fedoratipping retard OP? This would be beyond your capabilities even if you had all the money in the world.

Even if you could create an artificial womb, you would have to monitor all the nutrients, proteins, antibodies, etc. that go from mother to child at all times to be able to replicate it. And as of now, this is practically impossible.

>>7223006
>We could learn more about embryonic development


So. You are going to study the fuck out of something so you can build that shit, to study it ?!

Seriously ?!

>>7222818
This. I can't believe people responded seriously to this thread. OP is obviously dumb as shit.

>mfw he seriously believes it >>7223015

Currently, you'd pretty much need a few healthy females to donate blood on a daily basis. You'd also need to overcome significant tissue culture issues (for the womb, never mind the embryo). Basically, if you had the capabilities to produce a completely artificial womb (no human/animal products beyond basic stuff like protein feedstocks) then you'd have solved a myriad of medical issues that would revolutionise healthcare. Everything from the end of blood donation (and the associated disease, haemolytic risks) to perfect tissue reconstruction (while you might not be able to manufacture whole organs you could save people with everything from disfigurement to loss of bowel tissue).

>>7223025
I'm past caring about the personal opinions of people who use the term "fedora tipping". It's like a blanket term used by people to cover their insecurities, like the word "autism". Oh look someone thought slightly differently, they must be a fat 300lb WoW playing slob who doesn't shower for days at a time and binge eats Macca's all day. Hurr durr le atheist stereotype meme HURRRRR DURRRRR look mom I posted it again, I;m gonna show those nerds whose boss.

>>7223025
Eh, it's already been done - just not with humans (well at least, not above board.)

Tech's been around for almost two decades.

i think it would be cool to do this because you could extend it for other organisms, not necessarily just humans. you could gestate extinct mammoths or some shit, assuming they cryo'd that DNA sample they found.

if we got to the point that protein synthesis was understood fully and cellular differentiation could be organized on a macroscopic level, you could develop living organisms that don't exist yet, but could help contribute to the biosphere.

Paracelsus claims to have done so in a horse vagina;

>That the sperm of a man be putrefied by itself in a sealed cucurbit for forty days with the highest degree of putrefaction in a horse’s womb, or at least so long that it comes to life and moves itself, and stirs, which is easily observed. After this time, it will look somewhat like a man, but transparent, without a body. If, after this, it be fed wisely with the Arcanum of human blood, and be nourished for up to forty weeks, and be kept in the even heat of the horse’s womb, a living human child grows therefrom, with all its members like another child, which is born of a woman, but much smaller.

I'm not sure if this was wish-fulfillment, or what. But what I'm going to say is that this sounds like the best avenue of research. Artificial wombs will probably turn out to be bioprinted female reproductive systems, hooked up to other biological systems that are all fed by machines with nutrients and oxygen.

Wombs are the least interesting application of bioprinting. Why make new lifeforms, when you can modify old ones - perhaps yourself? There's fewer ethical questions when it's all about you, as well.

Moreover, we've been genetically modifying mammals for decades now. One of the ways we produce transgenic animals is by modifying the genetic material in gametes or fertilized eggs to get what we want, and than sticking the modified organism into a natural or transgenic one to get it to grow. Human cells are also being implanted into other mammals like mice now, and the results are very encouraging.

The only reason we need artificial wombs is to keep premature babies alive - otherwise, you could plan for a surrogate mother, or just implant the tissue or reproductive organs into a person and get the desired organ, child, or surrogate mother to gestate the child.

>>7223260
>Why make new lifeforms, when you can modify old ones

less need for optimization

>>7223264

Why not modify the old ones into the new ones?

Create a set of artificial chromosomes. Create the cell you wish for them to inhabit. Insert them into the cell. Than, simply stimulate the cell to divide into a culture. Once you've got a big vat of these artificial cells, inject them into protein scaffolds shaped like the various organs, remove all the parts of the old organism that you want gone, and than implant and stitch on all the parts of the new organism.

Maybe I'm just self-centered or insane, but it seems pointless to create new organisms with all this fancy optimization - I want to be Frankenstein's monster, not Frankenstein himself.

>>7222813
>This is literally out of scientific curiosity.
No, no it's not.

>>7223190
>Citation needed

>>7222928
>Science shouldn't be bound by petty morality
Alright OP, you have absolutely no choice but to do this. Once you've constructed a settlement absolutely isolated from the rest of humanity, you must find a willing compadre who would help you move in to Rapture. Many chemists/biologists would definitely have the capacity for research that will eventually lead to your goal, you must however convince them. You want to do research that transcends moral boundaries and don't want to be left under the scrutiny of the masses, do it in secret, lay the infrastructure for it, or else you will fail and I will watch you fail.

>>7223686
Dont forget to invite us too, you want to liberate stem cell researchers right?

>>7223675
although you have to give OP credit for keeping this facade up well so far ITT

>>7223190
>Eh, it's already been done
no, it fucking hasn't
the first daughter with two biological mothers will have grandchildren before the first rodent grows up in an artificial womb

>>7223025
>And as of now, this is practically impossible.
It should be trivial to research and determine the makeup of maternally received nutrients, antibodies, etc.. The only reason this hasn't been done yet (to my knowledge) is because there simply isn't an incentive.
Guess what, there would be if we were making artificial wombs.

>>7222962
>puberty only makes your penis and testicles bigger

fuck off pleb

>>7223692
Now there's an idea. You know of the surrogate mother business in India? Where gays and lesbians who want to conceive kids rent the wombs of some Indian lady willing to bear their seed(?) for some cash? Well there's your market, you could ride on the wave of LGBT rights activists, get them to scream down the general populace in the name of their rights and liberties, get your funding from them. And when your project is complete, you birth your children.

>>7223006
>genetic engineering
>hereditary disorders
>age related dieseases

Sorry to burst your bubble but that's genetics and you won't answer those questions with organ/tissue engineering

>>7223692
Do you even cell bio? The reason we use Bovine or and other serum is because there are countless factors in an extracellular enviroment that we can't quantify and analyse.

Not mentioning all the regulating factors and different nutrients over a period of 9 months.

>>7223681
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/29/magazine/the-artificial-womb-is-born.html

Been doing it with goats and sheep since 1996.

>>7222990
So it's an abortion.
But how did it get like that. It's like a fish in a plastic bag. How does that even happen, is the mother even alive?

>>7222862
China to the rescue !
I hope the usa will fall before they can change Chinese society through psyops, or it would be an incalculable blow to Humanity.

>>7223762
It's fake Sherlock

Step 1: Find a donor body and remove the head.

Step 2: Sustain the bodies metabolism by pumping blood and feeding it. You will likely need to help it shit.

Step 3: Sex

>>7222990
Actually it was a miscarriage

>>7222813
You can't. Face it.

>>7222813
>What kind of materials do I need to acquire.
A metric fuck-ton of fetal bovine serum.

>>7223025
thank god someone finally called out OP on what a huge fag he is

>>7225021
>>7223025

How does nature do it than? Nature doesn't use money, and accomplishes this feat every day, in uncountable numbers.

Is there a super intelligence behind nature, or is it just that we're going about it wrong? If there is no intelligence behind nature, it means that getting a working womb is possible by just letting a planet do it's magic for a few billion years.

For perspective, humans have figured out how to get multiple tons off their planet, and land it on the moon. We haven't gone back not because it's impossible, but because it's pointless.

If we haven't figured artificial wombs out yet, it's either because there's no real need for the technology, or because no one has thrown their full intellectual weight behind the endeavor.

Less than a century, people said the computers we're using right now wouldn't exist, because only the rich or elite would be able to buy them, or have a use for them. Our computers are better than the ones we used to land on the moon, and yet we use them to discuss banal subjects on the internet - a medium used mostly for porn, gossip, and shopping.

Calling the OP retarded or a fag doesn't convey any meaningful information about the subject, and cultivates malaise - which saps the energies of people who might one day invent an artificial womb. The reason the OP is posting this question here instead of doing the research himself is this malaise.

>>7222813
You'd probably be best off finding a Developmental Biology textbook and reading at least the stuff pertinent to vertebrate development.

>>7223804

No, it was a freak case of a miscariage in Algeria, or Tunesia, if i remember correctly.

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