/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7212017
I don't know about that. Unfortunately I think biology falls under STEM.

>>7212017
You forgot CS.

>>7212017
God Tier = Memeology

Shit Tier = Mathematics

>>7212017
EVERY PROBLEM HAS A SOLUTION

>>7212029
CS is a subset of mathematics, I'd place it higher than engineering & biology.

>>7212021
Biology is all memorization. You don't have to be smart to get a degree in it.

>>7212035
>EVERY PROBLEM HAS A SOLUTION
ORLY?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem

>>7212036
>CS is a subset of mathematics, I'd place it higher than engineering & biology.

You know nothing of CS or math

>>7212044
That's the joke. Guess you're a newfriend: https://archive.moe/sci/thread/7168080/

>>7212051
>>7212029

>cs
>bad major

engineering is the dumbest major

>>7212017
You know what is the most stupid major? Yours, independently of what it is, because you are expending time and money that could be used to hone your skills in your area but instead you are coming to a weeaboo imageboard to criticize others choices of careers.

>>7212101
>CS can't be a bad major
>It has the word "computer" in it and computers are fucking awesome!

Mathematics because its a tool. A good degree for for lazy people like me.

Pure Maths is similar to Biology. You memorize stuff. Understanding pure maths is for autists; I fully agree as a maths undergrad.

Currently taking contemporary proof based linear algebra. Easy as fuk lol. Currently a second year in undergrad pure mathematics and philosophy. Going to do a one year teaching course after that. Going to take Advance courses in Real Analysis, Abstract Algebra, Number Theory, Diff Geo, and some philosophy units.

Most hardest degrees are physics, medicine, law, and engineering (especially electrical and aerospace). Those guys do Complex Analysis, Differential Geometry, and Commutative Algebra which I think are all pretty decent mathematics for engineers. Not at a whole-content though... As for Medicine, Law, and Physics the work loads are fucking intense eventhough you do a lot of memorizing for Med/Law.

Med/Law are highly regarded courses, we should get off our high horses, hard'en up, and accept the fact STEM fags like us will always get the attention/prestige. No one fucking cares if you're a scientist or engineer. If say you're one people will be "oh idk that course xD" but then if you say you're a doctor or lawyer people will be in awe and your say 'smart'. Yes, doctors, and lawyers are way smarter than sci fags. Suck it up.

>>7212036
>CS is a subset of mathematics

Playing around with babies first graph theory and combinatorics doesn't make CS a subset of math. If any field is a subset of math, it's either physics or EE.

>>7212175
Go to a non-shit school that teaches real mathematics, like recursion theory. This isn't your baby math at a shit school (like yours).


http://dept.math.lsa.umich.edu/graduate/histGradCourses.html#684

>>7212173
>Currently a second year in undergrad pure mathematics and philosophy. Going to do a one year teaching course after that.
Look into becoming an actuary, friend. Teaching is a hell hole.

>>7212175

Bitch I get a math minor with one math elective along with my CS degree. Double majoring isn't much more than a CS degree alone.

>>7212173
>You memorize stuff in pure maths
>I'm taking linear algebra
ayy lmao

>>7212163

give me an objective reason why CS is any worse a major compared to other STEM majors
define bad
define good

>>7212203
because they attend shit schools where a CS degree is a software engineering degree.

>>7212193
>math minor

Even high school math teachers get degrees in math. Anyone can pick all the piss easy electives and major in math.

>>7212183
>appealing to 2nd year graduate math courses
>implying writing recursive functions is the same as studying recursion theory

Yeah that's exactly the same level of work as every undergrad CS course.

>>7212208
recursion theory is taught at the undergraduate level to CS majors. But in no way is it typically taught at an in-depth level. Shit heads like you think recursion theory and computational complexity is baby math and if you went to a decent school you could take these courses as a CS major within the mathematics department or CS graduate department. Same with Set theory, Graph theory, Combinatorics and Numerical Analysis or Computer Algebra. Get the fuck out with your baby math CS shit

>>7212017
>engineers are dumb because le /sci/ meme
I took calc I-III + LA on my own in high school, most people here are taking one of these classes at the.

I double majored in chemical engineering and mathematics, the material I learned in high school was only expanded upon in university, nothing truly alien.

>>7212207
>shit schools

SHOW ME A SCHOOL WHERE CS ISN'T SHIT. CS at Princeton, MIT, Berkeley, CMU, Cornell, Harvard, etc are all shit.

Seriously, CS majors mindlessly parrot the same exact rebuttal every time their major is attack. Face it, your course work is trivial. Stop trying to scapegoat to mythical "shit schools" and face reality. CS courses aren't even a third as difficult as math, physics, or engineering courses.

>But I got D in all my CS course so if they're pathetic, that mean I'm retarded....
>therefore you must be trolling!!

>>7212203
>give me an objective reason why CS is any worse a major compared to other STEM majors

As others have put it:

>>5662999
>I do not hate CS. CS is an umbrella term for many interesting fields of research. However I do feel utter contempt for CS students. As a mathematically minded person I myself studied CS until realizing that I won't get any intellectual qualifications from studying it. BSc programmes in CS are catering to and attracting the most anti-intellectual scum that barely managed to enter university. The usual CS curriculum is already designed in such a way to teach only a bare minimum of math and theory, hardly going beyond high school knowledge. Yet the average CS student fails it. The same people who are spouting wrong platitudes like "CS is all hard math" are the people who think you're a genius for knowing calculus. The pinnacle of idiocy I encountered in CS was a 6th semester student going for his BSc who did not know what a logarithm is.

>>5982685
>With a CS degree alone without further qualifications you are factually unemployable. Neither the primitive GUI design in java nor the shallow hardware, database or network intro will qualify you for a job. The only people getting acceptable jobs with a CS degree are those who either combined it with another degree or who already had a job before because they self-learned important skills. Quite a few CS students openly told me they are only getting the degree just to have something on paper to force their boss to give them higher salary. The job they already had because they started web design / programming / security in high school. Having demonstrable experience in those is more important to an employer than what you learned in CS. The business monkey variety of retards is even more unemployable. Representatives of local industries explicitly said the degree is trash because these people know neither economics/business nor computing.

>>7212221
>Face it, your course work is trivial.
Because you think pure math courses in:
>recursion theory
>graph theory
>set theory
>model theory
>numerical analysis
>computer algebra
>combinatorics

is trivial?

Hahahaha, you are a fucking retard. I study both math and cs you fucking idiot. Get the fuck off here and don't post anymore. Fuck off.

>>7212225
some more:

>>5981331
>The math and theoretical CS are even more laughable. The only people who complain about their hardness are those stereotypical video game retards who already failed their math classes in high school. All the "muh logical quantifiers", "let's mindlessly apply this symbolic manipulation algorithm", "oh wow, an automaton represents a language" or "holy shit, how do I show this algorithm does what it does" babby crap is shallow and hardly deserves to be called university level. A mathematician or a physicsist who is trained in reading definitions, theorems and proofs can pick up all of a BSc computer scientist's theoretical CS much more indepth by spending one or two afternoons of reading a book.

>>5981333
>The worst thing however are the people going for such a degree. Out of all degrees CS seems to attract the most anti-intellectual scum. I seriously wonder how these people even managed to enter university. Every retard who barely passed high school and spends most of his day playing video games seems to think the must study CS. There are socially inept neckbeards of the retarded variety, hating and repeatedly failing math as well as the most simple programming assignments. There are dumbasses whose high school diploma was too bad to go for an economics degree, hence why they want to enter the business monkey route of CS in the hope of getting a little more than minimum salary. Those are of such subhuman IQ that they do not even understand the semantics of an implication in propositional logic.

>>7212210
99.995% of CS majors do not take graduate courses in recursion theory. Stop trying to justify undergrad CS by appealing to graduate courses and postgraduate research in CS. They are not related.

>>7212230
>>The math and theoretical CS are even more laughable. The only people who complain about their hardness are those stereotypical video game retards who already failed their math classes in high school. All the "muh logical quantifiers", "let's mindlessly apply this symbolic manipulation algorithm", "oh wow, an automaton represents a language" or "holy shit, how do I show this algorithm does what it does" babby crap is shallow and hardly deserves to be called university level. A mathematician or a physicsist who is trained in reading definitions, theorems and proofs can pick up all of a BSc computer scientist's theoretical CS much more indepth by spending one or two afternoons of reading a book.

You are a fucking idiot. You know nothing about mathematical logic or its applications within CS. You wouldn't be able to understand it in a day either. Like I said, fuck off. You aren't even trained in mathematics.

>>7212238
I don't speak for undergrad CS students. I speak for myself that studies both math + cs. For you to say that shit means you don't know any fucking math and are completely clueless about higher level mathematics and mathematical applications in pure cs theory.

>>7212247
>I don't speak for undergrad CS students

"CS majors" == "undergrad CS students"

Stop arguing about CS graduate studies.

>>7212228

Absolutely. The one or two discrete math crash courses that tries to cover all of them are utterly pathetic and you have to be an idiot to think they're difficult.

>>7212239
>You wouldn't be able to understand it in a day either

And that's why undergrad CS is worthless. If it wasn't then major would have to look like this >>>7160262

>>7212228
>computer algebra
what the fuck is computer algebra

ITT: butt hurt math majors who are too autistic to turn their smarts into money

These topics are always meaningless because one group of people is always talking about programming/software engineering, and the others are always talking about computer science, and the field is young enough that they're often not distinct at universities.

Let's be honest - theoretical computer science is Maths. Most CS courses at most universities are more engineering/applications.

>>7212267
Not sure if retarded

>>7212277
>Ph.D. in Extra Tricky Integrals
>$300k starting
>any ETI job that I want

maybe it's just you

>>7212277
>be me
>Ph.D. in Extra Tricky Integrals
>$300k starting
>any ETI job that I want

mfw "engineers have higher salaries"

>>7212267
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_algebra_system

Just do what you enjoy man.

I'm a double major in Biology and Philosophy currently, about to get a master's in bio to prepare for med school.

We're all working towards a better future regardless. Who gives a shit?

>>7212297

>>7212259
You can make the same argument for any undergrad class in analysis, algebra, and topology. If you think those courses are hard you are utterly pathetic and have to be an idiot to think they're remotely difficult. Not sure why you're only singling out CS courses, cause basically every undergrad math course is baby tier and trivial. You are a fucking retard though, so no case needs to be made there.

>>7212318
Math classes build upon one another. CS is just a scattered collection of watered down shit for the sake of having a undergrad major.

Undergraduate CS programs have no right existing in the first place.

>>7212277

What does there being a lot of code monkey jobs have to do with cs programs?

>>7212325
>Math classes build upon one another. CS is just a scattered collection of watered down shit for the sake of having a undergrad major.

Undergrad math is easy as shit and you are a retard because you can't do analysis, algebra, topology or algebraic topology. That is baby shit.

>CS is just a scattered collection of watered down shit for the sake of having a undergrad major.

It really isn't any different than math undergrad. Analysis of algorithms, Computational Complexity, Combinatorics, Graph theory are on the same level as any baby tier math class. I think you are just a fucking retard that can't handle real math or real cs theory.

>>7212017

What you mean to say was kinesiology

>>7212331
Nah, CLRS/Sipser are a far cry from baby Rudin.

You're just a retard that wants to feel good about struggling in CS courses

>>7212036

>Biology is all memorization. You don't have to be smart to get a degree in it.

lol, why do mathematicians and engineers have such a gay and simplistic view of the world?

> get sick
> "lol doctors only know how to give you a pill"

>>7212365
>lol, why do mathematicians and engineers have such a gay and simplistic view of the world?


Because it's true

> > "lol doctors only know how to give you a pill"

It's true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQZ2UeOTO3I

>>7212374

> Get cancer
> Use real analysis to get better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvacG_nhD34

>>7212364
You talk shit because you think a first year grad course in rudin analysis makes you have hair on your nuts. You are a retard that hasn't even gotten to Robinson, Fulton, Harris, Weibel, Gelfand and Manin yet. You are terrible at math too because you think rudin is hard, that made me laugh.

>>7212365
biology is just memorization thats it.

>>7212277
Nice photoshop. Stay salty with your studio arts degree

>>7212364
lol rudin is baby shit, not much harder than sipser. fuck off you fucking retard. you think you are good at math when you are doing baby tier shit. AYY LMAOOOOOO. You haven't even taken real math classes yet.

>>7212407
>first year grad course in rudin

Baby rudin isn't "first year grad course", it's a freshman undergrad class.

>>7212221
>CS gets more money
>CS Is seen as a cooler degree than mine
>Cries

>>7212017
>acing math classes
>getting A- in engineering classes

makes me want to swap my major to math, i have all the prerequisites to do so, could even graduate on time.

math at all levels has been easier than my Eng and Physics classes.

>>7212017
Everyone here arguing about how pure their degree is (big their dick is), and I'm just sitting here with a Computer Science Games BS content with my life

stay unemployed physics and mathfags

all the butthurt in this thread is amazing. so insecure about your field of study.

>>7212221
>SHOW ME A SCHOOL WHERE CS ISN'T SHIT. CS at Princeton, MIT, Berkeley, CMU, Cornell, Harvard, etc are all shit.


show proof of this. oh wait you can't, because you're literally a fucking dipshit.

>>7212175
>learning selected topics in the body of mathematics is not learning a subset of mathematics

>>7212675
>Learn 1+1=2
>Think you're "basically" a mathematician

>>7212552
>show proof of this.

Google. Course syllabi, books, and assignments are all online. CS programs are a fucking joke.

>>7212221
>Seriously, CS majors mindlessly parrot the same exact rebuttal every time their major is attack.

>Every time I ask what 2+2 is, they parrot "4" instead of coming up with something new

Truth doesn't change, dickbiscuit.

>>7212017
"Engineering" is not a major.

That's the equivalent of trying to group a "science" major.

And by that logic since we're grouping Physics with shit like biology, psychology and sociology "Science" is the dumbest STEM major no question.

>>7212051
>You know nothing of CS or math
You're the one who knows nothing about them.

>>7212175
>sciences/applied sciences
>subsets of math
get the fuck out

>>7212730
>CS programs are a fucking joke
yup they are. That being said no one here could ace them.

>>7212756
>grouping biology with social sciences.

Kill yourself.

The amount of butthurt here is amazing.

Totally laughing at all the retards in this thread, trying to have a dickwaving contest about which major is the best/worst.

None of them is you bunch of stupid faggots. They all have their places. You are just proving your own stupidity by talking shit about fields you don't understand.

>>7212809
I'm stupid but that doesn't change anything to the fact math >> all.

>>7212829
In it's purity and perfection - yes.

In practicality/application - it is neccessary, but not sufficient. The progress of other sciences is equally as important.

And what is the most important type of knowledge? Classification of finite simple groups, relativistic physics, structure nad function of DNA, ? I would say its all equal as long as it's all obtained by methodologically correct procedures.

>>7212842
>other sciences
You seem to imply math is a science and I'm here to correct you.

lol you kids are such a fucking joke. doctors are better than you shitty ass "engineers" (more so engineering majors) who think being able to change one shitty little detail on the exam question which is exactly the same shit as you saw in the homework is "innovation" and "ingenuity"

fuck off you poor cunt

>>7212879

I hate engineering as much as anyone (because I do it) but why do you even bother pretending that doctors are anything but trade school tier? It's just memorising a bunch of shit and applying it. The main difference between them and other breaindead careers is the amount to memorise, the control of the supply of doctors, and the proximity and involvement with other humans.

Important and good and blabla... sure. Actual intellectual work...LOL.

I know that lots of middle class people aspire to be it so you therefore conclude that they must be intellectual work. Take a step back and think for yourself

>>7212901
Medical "doctors" are not PhDs, therefore not actual doctors.

>>7212916

i assumed that guy was talking about medical people

>>7212901
doctors have mastered the art of looking intelligent, accumulating respect, creating artificial scarcity in their field, and making the biggest bucks

the rest of you are just amateurs at it

>>7212921
Well yeah sorry you may be right.

>>7212916
PhD doctors are not MD, therefore not actual doctors.
Only autists call themselves doctors after getting their doctorate

>>7212175
>Doesn't know about recursion theory or computability.
Stay pleb, anon. I'm a pure math major and that shit is legit as fuck.

>>7212017
Civil Engineering

>>7212946
seconded. I'm a math major and and recursion theory is legit as fuck.

>>7212175
>>7212730
>>7212364
>>7212325
>>7212259

responses show that this guy doesn't understand higher level mathematics. he can be angry as he wants and continue to rehash the same spill about cs being shit, but none of his angry responses will change the fact that he has continually proven himself to be inadequate at understanding higher level mathematics & is simply a dumbass. No replies to this response will change that. The guy should drop out of school.