/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7166725
Getting mine at 26, you jel?

>>7166730
Yes I am.

>>7166725
I think you're the only one here that knows that feel

>>7166733
Now I suddenly feel bad for posting that. On the bright side you just got dubs!

Hope getting mine at 26
Max 28

>tfw I will get my Phd before I turn 20
>tfw 18 and already have a master degree

>>7166799
Nice, what field?

>Inb4 something useless like math

>>7166799
David get off /sci/ you faggot.

I'm 28, get money for 4 more months doing it, have enough pages and project report is out. Some more simulations and then it's mostly a matter of rewriting that stuff so that other people can read it.

>>7166803
If you're perusing a PhD, you probably don't give a shit how "useful" it is.

>Dropped out of uni during second year
>Got a software development job anyway
>Reapplying for undergrad degree for Sept '16 admission
>Want a PhD as well
My life is education

Very few people get math PhDs before 30.

>>7166945
Researchers are can be pretty useful anon.

>>7166949
like Jacob Barnett

lol what a faggot

Jacob Burnet got his PhD at age 6 from Oxford

Einstain got his at age 3 from Phoenix University online

>caring about a PhD

Lol enjoy your useless degree faggots. Meanwhile, I'll be graduating with a bachelors in EE making money right after college while you all slave away

>>7167440
enjoy doing nothing meaningful with your life and not constantly expanding your mind and knowledge

>>7166725
>tfw signed up for a stupid 2 year ms program after undergrad before deciding no way in hell do i want to write a dissertation on this shit
>tfw will be 24 when starting PhD and 28-30 when graduating

>tfw successfully avoided having a real job for the first 30 years of my life and might make it my entire life if i go into academia

>>7167465
>expanding your mind and knowledge
Sounds gay

I should be finishing mine next May. I'll be turning 30 in December.

It's not really a big deal about how old you are when you finish it. It isn't a race and it's all about the research. The piece of paper will be nice for jobs, but I'm still publishing good work and enjoying the lifestyle.

>>7167465
Except I will be doing that with my freetime

And I'll have more money than you.

>>7166725
Why do you care about the degree? If you're going to be sad about anything, be sad about the fact that you won't contribute anything useful to science until you are 30 years old.

I never understood people who wanted to "work for Google" or "go to Cambridge for grad school". What do you actually want to DO? Attending an institution or getting a job at a company doesn't automatically translate into doing something meaningful.

>>7167508
>And I'll have more money than you.
How old are you?

>mfw about to graduate college
>haven't talked to anybody at all and just went home after class
>no networking either
>tfw hearing everybody joining research
>might as well have just enlisted straight out of high school

>>7167630
yikes

>>7167633
>mfw first day of lab and I'm clumsy and uncoordinated as shit
>panic as everybody is doing everything fine without any instructional input
>mfw my sister got into pharm school after 3 years of community college and 3 years of university with 3 hours of weekly volunteer service at hospital and is paying out the ass in loans
>mfw i'm still more of a failure than her

>>7166725
Who cares, I went back to uni at 23. There are literally 50 year olds in my computing lectures (who love to ask questions because mature age students love to pause lectures). Age is a number OP, what matters most is what you're doing in the here and now.

>>7167638
>first day of lab and I'm clumsy and uncoordinated as shit
You must be me. Fuck labs, I'm doing theoretical physics

>>7167659
dude I was doing fucking gram stains and I couldn't fix the fucking cells to the bacteria to the slides. then I couldn't hold the goddamn slide with tweezers without contaminating/dislodging the cells while washing it with water and iodine and CV and all that other shit

FUCK LABS

it reminds me of how much preparation I have to do like when I write a script in a text file before I order a pizza over the phone

>>7166725
>tfw you'd rather die than get your PhD

>>7167666
If you can’t do a simple fucking smear and Gram stain, maybe the sciences are not for you.

How is it even possible to get it before 26 for the regular student?

In Europe it's 3 years for Bachelors , 2 years for Masters and 3 years (min) for PhD. Also you can't go from Bachelors to PhD like you can in Murrica.

You enter Uni at 18/19 (merrilards enter one year earlier for some reason, my country copies the German system)

>>7166725

The average age to obtain a PhD is 33, so most doctors know this feel.

>>7167752
people get nervous, your hands shake, it's easy to make mistakes. It's a matter of practise and leaning to feel comfortable with what you're doing. no one is born knowing what to do in a lab

>tfw I probably wont get out of undergrad until I'm 28

>>7166725
Im in 11th grade with 20.

How fucked am I?

>>7166725
OP SHUT UP! YOU ARE MAKING ME CRY!

i know your feel, I'm 28yo and I will start my master in October 2016. FUCK MY LIFE

one of my professors says he knows a guy that is battling to get accepted into a med school because he's like 50 years old and they don't want to take him on because he won't be practicing/working very long

>>7167771
My tenth grade lab partner used to call me "Shaky" for just that reason. We weren't really friends, just friendly, barely kept in touch after high school, and didn't see each other at all after undergrad. I hadn't seen her in five years, and didn't even recognize her, when she came up at convocation when I was about to be awarded my PhD and called me by that long-forgotten name again. Good times.

It's not a race. Don't sweat it. You've still got more good years left in your life than anyone ever born before you. And it's just a title anyway. The reward is the journey etc.

>>7166789
> 26 max 28
If you don't know already, you're in trouble. ;)

>starting college at 23

>>7167817
And then you had sex, right?

>>7167826
You're all right anon.

I went to college for 2 years from 18-20, couldn't keep doing it because of emotional problems, tried life the hard way, partied away a lot of years and did a dead-end job for a while, and now I've started up college again when I was 26, 27 now.

It's a lot easier in some ways and harder in others, easier because I'm a lot more disciplined and actually have my shit together this time around, harder because I'm doing it while supporting myself whereas I lived with my parents when I was 20. I would kill for that 50 extra hours during the week to actually focus on school, next semester is my second half of sophomore year and I'll probably be on student loans because this shit is impossible and it will get harder. Also I'm surrounded by kids who I identify with less than the professors/instructors, class discussion is fucking ROUGH. They say 30 is the new 20 but when you hang out with twenty year-olds, thank fucking god that isn't true.

A lot of it being easier is actually being able to approach faculty and instructors like an adult, I can typically get things my way now that I can actually express myself and make my case, in case of any misunderstanding, or excuse an absence. Not being scared of the grills in my class is a plus too.

But above all I don't really get threads like this. 30 isn't old. You have your whole life ahead of you still at 30; it's hilarious how people starting college think 30 is old, when in a few years you'll get the perspective to see how young 30 really is. Getting a PhD at 30 or 32 is fucking winning at life. I'll probably be 35.

>>7166725
I'm 24, 3 years into my PhD. Currently finishing off experimental work and writing for thesis/publications.

I expect to be finished by August at 25.

Cry more bitch nigger.

Suddenly everyone on /sci/ has a phd

>>7167884

I can't think of any other board I post on where the claimed credentials are more laughable.

>>7166745
I beg to differ.

>>7166928
I it an actual contribution to science?

>>7167764
Actually, the American system makes it harder to get a PhD early tab in the UK.
>start Bsc at 18, finish at 21
>Msc takes 1 year, finish at 22
>PhD can sometimes be done in 3 years
>Have PhD aged 25

>>7167933
you don't even need a Masters to go into PhD sometimes, if you come out with a great Bachelors

so you could come out with a PhD at 24 in the UK, although it'd be pretty rare.

>>7167764
No, the 3+2 years for masters and bachelor aren't even doable in some programs and 3 years for the phd is also very unlikely, if I remember correctly the average is 4.
And you often have to wait before getting into university or travel for a year, so I guess the regular student would get it at ~29,30.

>>7166945
>If you're perusing a PhD *in math*, you probably don't give a shit how "useful" it is.

>>7167465
>doing nothing meaningful with your life
Oh wow, the bitter irony of some useless academic who will never achieve shit talking about life meaning to an industry engineer.

>>7167630
Yeah, sorry to say you fucked up son.

>tfw my networking was so good, my current adviser literally called me and asked if I was interested in joining his group (was planning on getting a job before I saw how amazing the research was).

>>7167666
>it reminds me of how much preparation I have to do like when I write a script in a text file before I order a pizza over the phone

>>7167764
wat.
>In Europe it's 3 years for Bachelors , 2 years for Masters and 3 years (min) for PhD. Also you can't go from Bachelors to PhD like you can in Murrica.
Ok, 8 years
>You enter Uni at 18/19
18+8 = 26?

Anyway, my department:
>4 years bachelors (ChemEng), finish at 22
>Masters is a minimum 1 year of course work, but you can actually finish your research in the same year, finish at 23-24, for most people it's around 25.
>PhD takes as long as it takes, you can finish anywhere from 6 months to 6 years, if your research doesn't involve a lot of labwork students doing theoretical work can finish in about 1.5 years, so PhD graduates are usually 25-30, then you also have the people who are like 40+.

>>7167809
I thought that was common knowledge? It's a law in my country that you can't be accepted after the age of 30.

I'm 30 now and haven't even finished my bachelor's. Due to making a major move, I probably won't finish it until my mid-30's, and if I get a PhD it won't be until 37-38 at the earliest (moved to Australia, where PhD programs are three years long).

In the meantime, I've been a ramp-rat at an airport, traveled a bit through that, worked as a medic, done hard labor as a mechanic for an oil well services company, and now moved to an entirely new country.

I've even considered just getting into IT via certifications and perhaps a simple CS/SE degree and making of that whatever I can, especially since I'm not entirely certain I want to do research for a living.

Get your PhD if you like, forget about age.

Odds are you're not going to make a profound contribution anyway, so your advanced degree is mainly for your own personal satisfaction, which isn't contingent on age.

If you're going to beat the odds and be a superstar in your field, then your age still doesn't matter (except for things like getting a Fields Medal, but 30 is still young enough for that anyway).

>but I want an academic job
Yeah, fair enough, but if you're 30 you should be mature enough (life spent in school notwithstanding) to realize life is a joke, accept your situation, and deal with whatever happens.

What's a typical day in the life of a PhD student like?

>>7167986
This is a man after my own heart.

Need more gentlemen like you in Australia brother!

>>7167884
>>7167904
It's not "suddenly", back in 2010 the bulk of this community was finishing up undergrad, why is it so strange that most of us are in grad school now?

And I mean, come on, it isn't exactly hard to get into grad-school...and it's not like the graduate offices on every campus isn't filled with 4chan shit, I don't know why this is unexpected at all, god even my 40 something year old supervisor browses /sci/ and /g/ on occasion.

>>7166947
>>Got a software development job anyway
Current/starting Salary? Just curious.

>>7166989
>age 6 from Oxford
>Phoenix University online

>>7167779
>11th grade
>20 years old
jesus what the actual fuck?

>>7167986
Can I ask you why you even want a PhD? I would've thought a man with your background would be more pragmatic than that.

I guess if you don't have a family etc. it makes sense though.

>>7168002
It's somewhat on the bucket list, though my girlfriend (who is a current PhD student) is already talking about starting a family, so life may get in the way.

If I end up never doing it, it's not the sort of thing that I'd majorly regret on my deathbed or whatever. But if I'm able to do it, and if I find a sufficiently compelling project to work on, then I'll go for it.

>>7168016
I know you really didn't ask for my 2 cents, but kids are way more expensive then you probably think and if you want a family with your gf you should seriously consider getting an industry job right away to build up savings. Trust me when I say that in terms of financial compensation PhD starting salaries are not worth the years of paychecks you missed out on an industry salary.

But you're both young and patient enough I'd say go for the PhD and wait a few years after you graduate, women do get extremely anxious for still being unmarried past 30 though.

>>7166725
>4chan
>phd

pick one.

>>7168031
Yeah, my sister and her husband have had a couple of kids, and despite his earning six figures they've still struggled a bit.

I'm not even entirely certain I want kids myself, but yeah, if we decide to start a family soon, the PhD thing might have to be skipped.

This isn't even to mention all the other things that kids will force us put on hold (mainly in terms of travel).

We'll see, anyway.

>>7168048
Yeah two of my friends who married a year after graduating with me are both pulling engineering salaries (don't know how much exactly, but pretty high considering they bought their first house cash) and they actually told the other day with daycare + needing a bigger house etc. they aren't planning on having children until they get the salary boost after finishing their EIT period. Scary shit.

"Luckily" I haven't had a committed relationships in years though, I'm also getting some occasional industry consulting money at a company I did an internship at on top of what the university pays.

Also, some of the students here get paid industry salaries, if you're in engineering you should talk to your professors about industry sponsored positions, they hire you "full time" but you do your research at the uni labs, usually you can get a nice starting offer from them after finishing your PhD as well. Personally I didn't gun for those and went for research that interested me, right now I kind of regret staying in academia this long to be honest.

>being a freshie
>giving a shit about what age you may get your PhD

All this tells me is that you are more concerned with making money in industry than the process of education itself

>>7167971
>>7167973
yeah man, I wish I had social skills and confidence

>currently 25
>year 2 of 6 year average graduation in the program
i MIGHT have my phd before i'm thirty but it doesn't look good

>>7166947
Why go back to school when you got a job in the industry?

>>7168324
I'll answer this. First, I do make a high salary in industry but I find the work numbing & tedious. I would rather be doing research than fill the role of a cog in a machine. I am thankful for the job, otherwise I would still be dirt poor like I was when I graduated. With that being said, I'd rather be in academia learning and doing research. You can't put a price on that and it would make me vastly happier. I belong in academia, not in industry. I've been out of school for 3 years and am returning back to school this Fall

>>7166725
The only reason I'd get a PHD is if I found some sort of niche field I'm interested in. So far it's all somewhat boring to me.
>Computer Science and Mathematics
At first AI sounds great, but then you look at current research and it's all the same shit everyone's already seen.

I'll just go the myth busters route. Do my own stuff on the side til I'm 50, and get a honory doctorate from some University that needs publicity.

weierstrass believes in you op

>>7168330
John Smith Western University proudly awards Anon No.7168330 a PhD in Public Speaking. Thank you No.7168330 for your contributions to Mathematics and AI.

>>7168328
>I would rather be doing research than fill the role of a cog in a machine.
Oh boy are you going to be disappointed, most researchers are still cogs in machine.

>>7166725
Nah, ain't got time for that shit. Need more money for dat dere band equipment.

>>7166725
>/sci/ trying to get a PhD in this world
>mfw a USA college gives the communist president Milan Kucan an honorary doctorate because "He promoted a multi-party system, a free-market economy, and independent judiciary and law-abiding police"
IDK, maybe I'm being paranoid, but the world doesn't work the way a scientist think it does. You can work your ass off your entire life trying to contribute to science and what not but in the end you're but a pawn to be used by the ruling sociopath.

>>7168351
>mfw he can even use my national security agency to read my post and se my identity

>>7168351
>Honorary PhDs

You do realize that no one takes that seriously and he can actually get a research job with it right? As using the title, it's akin to Kaiser Wilhelm thinking his honorary title would make that Britbong brigrade loyally fight for him.

>balding before getting a phd
what have i done to deserve this?

>>7166947
how did you find that job? connections?

>>7168388
Inferior genetics. You weren't smart enough to finish the PhD sooner AND you're going bald.

>>7167992
interested too

>>7167992
>>7168632

Depends on the field. My girlfriend's doing her PhD in some sort of weird organic chemistry/biochemistry project, and she spends her days going to meetings, tutoring, doing labwork, and writing/editing the occasional paper.

Meanwhile, our friend Nick is a mathematics PhD student doing something involving mathematical modeling. His days seem to mostly be spent on YouTube.

>>7166725
>tfw this feel is irrelevant to me because I couldn't get into a PhD program to begin with
Time to an hero.

>>7168972
No wonder all my math/compsci professors seem so content with their life.

>>7168972
Probably listening to music on youtube while working. Or doing mathematical modelling about the videos on youtube.

>>7166725
>tfw you will get your B.Sc before you turn 20

Im 25 and finishing PhD in May. My office mate is in the same boat except his birthday in in June so he will actually be 24. The bastard.

>>7166725

Iknowthatfeel.jpg

Started in biochemistry/biophysics PhD program last fall, at 24. Most people do around 6 - 7 years in my field (structural), so if all goes to plan, I'll be done at 30 - 31.

I got no PhD or master's and I worked my first day on my degree's job at 29.
>Tfw subspecialty on medicine.

I plan to enter a PhD program around 28 or 29. That means I'll be 33-34 when I complete a PhD. Do you know how young this is? I don't really plan to work in industry, so I'll jump ship to industry. Plus, I already have strong industry experience and connections most students wish they had.

I graduated with a pure math degree, worked in industry a few years and plan to get a PhD in another field. I'm going back to undergrad to vamp up on coursework to get into a PhD program for that field. I already have a mathematics publication and strong connections in both industry and academia. I'll be able to completely my PhD by 33-34. That's still quite young, and esp. considering I'll probably move from academic to industrial research. A lot of 33 year olds are office drones.

>>7167992
I'm going into a PhD program this fall, but I work closely with engineering grad students and this is basically how it rolls on a typical day:

>students trickle into office around 9am
>work until noon, then get lunch and go to class
>come back around 1-2pm and work until 6pm
>work through dinner
>leave at 9pm
>do coursework or read papers until bed at around midnight
>wake up, rinse and repeat 6 days a week
>take a day off to do errands, get groceries, do laundry, and keep from killing yourself in general

that's basically it, I stayed at uni over the summer to do research and worked the same hours they did. it's actually not bad if you enjoy your work, then it's really fun since all you're responsible for is your research. especially if you have a fun group to work alongside with that also work hard, it honestly gives me the same feeling I used to get when I was into gaming.

you have to meet deadlines and stuff if you're on a RA, but you pretty much have your own work schedule otherwise as long as you keep producing results. I'm looking forward to it.

>>7170484
I didn't keep such a schedule, but seems I won't finish my PhD either.

>Enter program at 22
>Adviser fucks up my program
>Seven year later graduate with Masters instead of PhD
>Work for 2 years
>Enter different program at 31
>Expected PhD now at 36 instead of 28
I can bitch about the situation or I can move forward. My experiences have also changed my career goals. I've become more interested in teaching because most of my professors are so crap at it.

>>7171038
Well you can encounter some behaviors along your journey in life. It can make you realize that titles and diplomas can be quite unevenly and unfairly distributed and make you more humble as a result.

>>7171067
It can make you a cynical and bitter cunt too :^)

>>7171069
Don't forget asocial alcoholic. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Streleski

>>7171102
In my youth I advocated harsher punishments for violent crimes. By then I had no idea how fucking effective some means of mental manipulation and harassment can be.

>>7171102
>7 years for murder
>in the USA
wtf? Were the laws more lax in the 1970s?

>>7167780
same

>>7166725

>Tfw turning 29 and one more year to go to finish undergrad

>>7166730
>>7166745

I am also getting mine at 26.

>>7167440

homie, I get paid 31k/year to go to school.

I don't care how much money you make, your situation sucks compared to mine.

>>7167992

Nuclear engineering phd student:
I get into the lab around 11am, shoot the shit with labmates for an hour, eat lunch, start working for real at 1pm.

Then I code a bit and mostly just slack off until 7pm and go home.

Repeat every day for >=3 years.

Whenever there's an important deadline, then change 7pm to 12am and also tack on some weekends.

The plus side is that I skip whenever I want to; I could easily work from home if I wanted to. Nobody watches over my shoulder or anything. If I wanted to take two weeks off to go to the beach nobody would be the wiser.

It's a pretty nice gig.

>24 years old and just starting undergrad
>Probably won't get PhD until 35 or older
>Considered med school but probably wouldn't finish that until 40
>Most likely can never become the astronaut I always wanted to be

>tfw graduating med school at 29 in two years
>tfw wont be done with residency until at least 34
>tfw wont be a real attending until 36-37 depending on fellowships

fuck. At least I can work until I'm 75

>getting a PhD

Autism.

>>7171675
I get paid $100k a year to do a job I love far more than school.

>>7168067
> EIT period
They're making $50k-60k each, if in North America. It's pretty consistently around that, across most disciplines.

>>7171710
>That feel when second year med student
>That feel when I'll graduate at 26
Also Step 1 in under two weeks. I'm dying, /sci/

>>7166725
>pleb
>done at 15
>my name dr. doogie

>didn't start college until I was 25

Better late than never, I suppose

>>7171710
>>7171771
good to see other med students here
ive stressed over medical school and how old ill be since i knew i wanted to be a doctor at the age of 12.
It doesnt help that I want a family and be a young parent. Where is my soulmate? ;_;

>>7171841
hows it feel that 22 year olds are gonna beat you out of jobs and employers wont hire you for being too old

>>7171846
I've since graduated, anon. I found a job years ago, and it wasn't even that hard. Most places came to me. I'll admit though, I worked for a lot of them as an intern at some point or another.

Sorry to disappoint you.

>>7171846
feels pretty good knowing you don't know shit

>>7171846
I'd much rather hire someone in their 30's than a 22 year old. Much more dependable, less likely to fuck off for other work within a year, and generally don't bring a bunch of drama into the workplace. Plus they have the ability to relate to real people, which your kid fresh out of college really does not (no, you are not an exception).

My little naive friends chasing for a degree

Mhahahhahahah

And all of you don't even try to think what's next. As always.

> graduated at 28
> 3-months contracts
> over 10 job appies rejected
> after 3rd or so went to the forest in the night and cried like a bitch
> by 7th or 8th became almost like a yog, I don't give a shit about this world anymore, don't fear to die at any moment

>wasting your lives on degrees to stroke your ego instead of actually creating something

>>7171102
Is this guy still alive? Wonder what he's up to.

7 years honestly seems way to light for fucking premeditated murder.

>>7171844
>Implying they'll ever let you out of the hospital long enough to find a girl

Maybe in your late 30s unless you wanna make a crappy GP tier salary.

>>7171862
They're also stupid losers compared to the 22 year olds. I'm sorry, but real employers don't share your crappy attitude at all.

>>7171882
>> graduated at 28
There's your problem frog poster.

>>7167465
I have to say, very few academic papers make real impact in society and very few academics get to pursue what they want

>>7167465
Except anyone can do that.

> 24
> few months away from my PhD

honestly I don't care about the PhD anymore ; I just want to get to work and earn money asap

Holy fuck, do people actually care about what age you graduate with a PhD? Most of the time people need to leave college as soon as possible and head on to the industry (also start families as well) and make a few bucks and go back to uni/college. The average age tends to be around 28-33 years olds, but who the hell fucking cares what age you graduate. You'll still be almost doing the same shit as if someone was a recent postdoc.

I'm 20 years old and in second year. I prefer working with mature age students because their motivated as fuck. They motivate me to work hard and I've been doing so much better.

Boy, it seems like generally most people my age are cunts anyway. Wished I was born at a later generation or earlier gen.

Keep doing your thing bros. I know two good mature age students and they came back to school to get their second degree (from finance to physics). There so much happier also. Do what you love.

>>7172018
This, no one in academia pursues their "interests" or some bullshit, it's like any other research job except you're paid about half as much.

>>7172017
Nope. I graduated 4 yrs earlier than the average in the country

Who Cares?

>>7172073
>it's like any other research job except
This is extremely wrong. Industrial "research" is sooooooooooo much below the true science, it can barely be called research at all.

germanfag here

why does everyone on /sci/ have a phd ?

>>7172118
Lol Bernd, I'm in Germany too. I find it really weird who such a glorious country has almost destroyed it's once glorious science. Today's German science is pathetic. Even Italians are better.

>>7172050
This.

I won't go into specifics but I work in a high paying industry position. To better understand the kind of salary I have, if I were to move in the bay area, then I'd have to make a salary of 145k/yr to maintain the same sort of lifestyle the first year I worked.

I'm miserable in my job and I NEED to get back into school. I studied math and want to switch into a PhD for a related but different field. I just got accepted into a post-bac program at a very prestigious school which I'll utilize to obtain all the necessary coursework/recommendation letters so I can apply/be admitted for a PhD. I couldn't be any happier I got in and the brand name of the school will help me greatly.

>>7172050
Listen kid, some of us want to get married and start families soon, and you can't do that on a graduate student's stipend.

>>7171882
what's your degree in?

inb4 art

>>7172145
>want to get married and start families

>>7172142

why the fuck would you go not go into specifics? are you afraid someone recognizes you ?

>>7172149
>>7172050
>2nd year shitstains talking about grad school

>>7172155
This

>>7172142
Which field are you going into?

>>7172148
Control engineering

>>7172117
Yeah no, I work closely with industrial researchers and one Chemical Engineer I work with just published in an applied math journal from a new optimization technique applied to a complex highly non-linear model we were working on. In academia 99% of the grants are for research with industrial applications. No one gets to work on whatever they want, except if you're willing to do it for free (and you can do that in your spare time anyway so get fucked; you don't need an office on campus to play with yourself).

>below
Your a grad school student, neither a fully paid scientists or an industrial researcher, no one is "below" you, even Chad who has been working construction since high-school is on a higher echelon than you.
>the true science
What the fuck does that even mean? Are you 12?

>>7172165
I find that extremely hard to believe, also you're expected to get around 100 rejects if you apply to job postings, apply more, apply abroad and network better because most of those posts are giving to shitty candidates through nepotism anyway.

>>7172167
>Your a grad school student
I am not you prick. Who the fuck told you that?

>I work with just published in an applied math journal from a new optimization technique
I'm 99% sure it's bullshit and the journal is something like "International shiggy-diggy journal on neuro-fuzzy intelligence". Optimization is too serious and deep subject to develop a NEW TECHNIQUE for such a shitter level of "research" as you describe.

>>7172162
Computer Science. I never thought I'd go that path, but it is basically all that I enjoy at this point, and the areas of math I like are only found in the CS department at most universities.

>>7172153
Nah, it is just personal to me. I had what most people considered it 'made'. I had a hot girlfriend (after years of being a sperg), an excellent job and she wanted to settle down and have a family. Our financial future would have been secured with my job. I basically burned that house down when I told her my actual plans of leaving my job to return to academia. She ended up leaving me. It's bittersweet because I made a big step forward and was admitted to a well-pedigreed school and I no longer have her here with me. But in the end I know it is the right decision, I would have been MISERABLE if I didn't decide to go back to school. Money isn't a concern for me, but education is.

>>7172170
>most of those posts are giving to shitty candidates through nepotism anyway

This is the whole thing about it all. Not less, not more.

>>7172176
It was an AMS publication you nigger, I said applied math to make it clear it was needed to solve the model, like I said you have no fucking idea what you're talking about or what problems industrial researchers need to solve, it's often as -if not more- difficult than academic research.

>I'm not a grad student
So then why the fuck do you think your opinion is even valid? You're too retarded and arrogant to be a post doc or tenure track so you obviously no fuck all about research at all.

>>7172162
Computer Science. I never thought I'd go that path, but it is basically all that I enjoy at this point, and the areas of math I like are only found in the CS department at most universities.

2 + 2 = https://youtu.be/lKBe-vjH8jY

this will keep you young

>>7172191
Just shut the fuck up. I'm sick of your bullshit. It is YOU who has no idea about real research and science. Go back to your industrial buttfuck, abomination.

>>7172676
Not the guy you're responding to, but you're a huge faggot.

>name calling
>no argument
>replies 5 hours later when you know he won't respond

Why don't you tell us about your published works?

>>7172015
I am a real employer, and yes, they all do. One day you too will grow up and learn this.

>>7166725
38 and phd. Get on my low, low level.

>>7172676
Jesus you give the worst kind of vibe of a child just wanting to yell and cry when he doesn't get his way. You're anonymous here, no one cares about your petty rage, so save it.

>>7172774
Look, what's the point? Everyone knows THERE IS NO god damn science in industry. Industry is interested in the product and sales damn it. I don't even get it, what's the point to argue?

>>7172696
Yep, I got some. I even got a European patent lol.

>>7172806
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Faculty/Homepages/birdsall.html

>The work at Hughes and General Electric led to publication of 14 journal articles, granting of 27 patents (most co-authored) and election to Fellow of IEEE.

>>7168331
>muh continuous and differentiable nowhere function

>>7167487
This is all I hope to do lol. Love my discipline and am pretty sure I can get funding and a nice stipend when I finish undergrad. Just wanna avoid disgusting real jobs and do science for forever

>>7168339
This

>>7172813
Sure. And there is like one such an example per 10000 in academic science. This controversy is senseless.

>>7172850
>disgusting real jobs
This.

Real jobs are disgusting. Doesn't matter what that industry faggot tries to argue for here.

On the other hand, academic jobs are insecure and ungrateful.

Pick one.

>>7172966
I pick neither. autismbucks neetlyfe

>>7172954
I only remembered that old fucker's name because I have his book. GE, Boeing, Lockheed, IBM, Google and Microsoft all have R&D divisions that are staffed with dozens of PhDs. I don't have the time to go through every journal and highlight the guys working industry.

If anything's senseless here, it's you.

>>7172979
>GE, Boeing, Lockheed, IBM, Google and Microsoft all have R&D divisions that are staffed with dozens of PhDs
This sentence has completely no relation to the discussion.

>I don't have the time to go through every journal and highlight the guys working industry.
Sure, cos it's tedious. Scientific journals are filled in with academic research at 99%.

Academia DOES science. Industry makes the product and sells it. Your argument is invalid.

Do I need to explain in detail WHY a manufacturer has no fucking interest in publishing?

>>7166725
>you just reminded me of my own reality
>still in university
>going for PhD
>now I'm sad

>>7172167
Is it the String Method
I swear m8 it's the string method.
>mfw I actually do stuff like that in simulation
>mfw its the string method

>>7173826
Don't brake his sweet little world. He thinks he discovered a new method in optimization theory.

>did CS BSc
>started doing one MSc
>didn't like it, quit after 1,5 years
>started studying math BSc
>slacked off for a year
>got into another CS MSc
>still want to get into math

I'm 24 now. If everything goes well from now on, I'll get my math MSc with 28. I feel you OP. The thing I would hate most is to quit my studies and get a job in CS. The hardest thing in my life was figuring out what to do with it.

>>7166947
courage my friend.

>>7173896
Are you doing part time or your MSc really takes 4 years??

>>7173802
God you're fucking retarded. Just leave the thread already, you're talking to people who actually know their shit and aren't naive, highschool sperglords like you.

>>7173979
>you're talking to people who actually know their shit and aren't naive, highschool sperglords like you
oh reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally ? Bhahhahahahah. No, you leave buttfucker. Tomorrow is Monday, a hard work day, it's time to prepare your sensitive anus for DA REEL JOB

I'll be finishing my (math and comp sci) undergrad degree when I'm 24. When would be a reasonable age to expect finishing a PhD?

>>7166725
>tfw you will turn 30 before you get your BA/BS

>>7174000
>Take average number of years to complete in your country and add it to 24.
What were you expecting when you posted this?

>>7172170
>you're expected to get around 100 rejects if you apply to job postings
I choked

>>7167666
Oh my god you're that guy from /fit/ aren't you? Jesus dude you're everywhere.

>>7174077
Heh, I think it's possible it might actually be the same guy, after all someone THAT autistic probably gets a few hundred 4chan posts in per day.

>being recognized for your autism across several boards
I know this horrible, horrible feel.

>>7173802
>Academia DOES science. Industry makes the product and sells it.
yeah you clearly have no experience in either if you actually believe this. if you don't think companies use science in order to develop state of the art products or equipment, then you are delusional. hell look at research in academia as well, tons of it is done through industrial sponsors.

you sound like a sophomore undergrad completely talking out of their ass, go at least intern in an R&D department before shitting up a thread on PhD related shit you fucking weenie.

>>7174155
> This shitter still spilling his anal blood all over the thread

>>7174198
Dude
>>7173994
>>7173802
>>7172806
>>7172676
>>7172176
>>7172117

you have been getting BTFO really hard this entire thread

just leave, you're embarassing yourself. I wish there were board-wide IDs on 4chan so I could know to ignore anything you say in any thread ever, that's how stupid you've made yourself look

>>7174219
>you have been getting BTFO
>by a bleeding shitter with no relation to science, to this board and to this thread in particular
Bitch please!

>>7174262
Just stop, it's obvious you're still in high-school.

>>7174281
I am a researcher with PhD working in a top-100 technical unversity. I've already said that I have a Europena patent and a bunch of publications. I also work closely with industry partners all aroung the world. Your failed predictions about myself make you look even more stupid. This whole discussion is bullshit -- it's obvious for every non-retard (which you aren't) WHAT the differences between academic science and industrial research are.

But, really, as you're being THAT stupid, please explain, what is the reason for a manufacturer to publish a research instead of patenting it OR even holding it in a secret for porfit's sake????? M?????`Explain now

>>7172117
this is unequivocally one of the worst posts on /sci/ that I have ever read.

>>7168174
>be a freshie
>still have no idea what to do after
>said the same thing in high school while trying to pick a course
>ahfuckit.gif

>>7174299
Lol. Stop trying bruh. No one's buying it.

>tfw you will be 25 when you finish undergrad

>>7174314

Not him but it's pretty much common knowledge that a ton of research is done at corporations e.g Microsoft, IBM etc.

>>7174443
The guy you're replying to agrees with you. It's the "PhD working in a top-100 technical unversity" who thinks otherwise.

>>7174299
You're a downie and you have no idea how the world works.

Just stop posting and go back to your "the true science". Better yet, kill yourself.

>>7174299
I can hear the eurotrash accent dripping off this post.

>>7174299
>You

I'm the guy you were initially sperging against and I haven't posted since I said my industry friend's publication was in AMS. Are you this incapable of admitting you're wrong that you have assume it's one guy contradicting you?

> top-100
As PhD at a top 20 school sincerely go fuck yourself. We're not special snowflakes just because we're in academia, industry does a lot more research total than academia and researchers at nat labs+unis are often funded on industry grants anyway. All you need to do to realize what people in industry accomplish is to look at someone like Heaviside's life. I'll say it one more time before I ignore you, you have no idea how the real world works. Go outside and learn to play nice with other people.

>>7166725
ITT : insecure nerds in "I'm the Biggest Boy!" competition. Can't you just gain confidence in knowing what you're awesome at?

>>7174077
I don't even know what you're talking about

i enlisted in the Marines at 19.

Got at at 24.

Lived overseas on a 2 year long vacation.

Recalled to Iraq for 1 year.

Worked in the IT field.

32 now. starting school in summer. transferred in 132 credits.

Next 4 years i will be getting a BS in Acct, an MS in CompSci, and an MBA.

Thats the plan, anyway.

>>7176074

this is so i can keep telling you nerds what to do while making 3x as much as you.

>>7166725
>>7166799
>>7166947
>>7171673
>>7171882

Stupid frogposter

>>7176082
This

Starting residency at 32....

>>7177763

PhDs are for fags who couldn't find a decent job with their BA or get into med school. Prove me wrong

>>7178104

Why does anyone need a piece of paper in the first place?

>tfw PhD in pure math

>>7178130
For physics and math? You don't. For engineering, law and medicine you need one to legally practice in the field.

>be 26
>Currently at a community college
>taking Calculus II and Linear Algebra

>>7167764
in the UK it's 3 for a bachelors,1 for a masters then usually 4 for a PhD.

Also in biology you can sometimes go straight to PhD program from bachelors.
I knew one very smart girl who did that.

After getting into the doctorate, how long time must be spent in minimal before you finally can get your phd?

>>7177763
how could you fuck up such a nice poem, its not the right words.

>>7178850
>Also in biology you can sometimes go straight to PhD program from bachelors.

You can go from many bachelors into many PhDs in the UK.

>>7178860
>After getting into the doctorate, how long time must be spent in minimal before you finally can get your phd?
I don't think there is any formal time requirements. You just need to pass a lot of qualifying exams and then have your thesis accepted.

>>7178834
I know that feel. Just stick with it.

>>7174306
Same boat as you, I decided to major in business until I figure out what I want to do. I have interests, just none that will pay well.

>>7178883
I find that hard to believe for most physical sciences or mathematics or engineering. most universities do 4 year undergraduate courses in those subjects with an integrated masters, so they'd expect their hd applicatns to be on that level.

of course I'm nottalkingabout phd non-subjcts like sociology or economics or political science.

>>7166725
fuck you, I'm still working on my Bsc and I'm turning 25 this year

Here's what I'm doing:

>Completed a Pure Math degree
>Published mathematics paper as an undergraduate
>Worked in industry several years
>Want to return for a CS PhD
>Lack too many CS pre-req for a CS PhD
>Applied/got accepted as an undergraduate student at a prestigious university to pursue post-bac studies in CS
>Taking all core CS courses for 1-2 years
>Will get letters of recs from new professors
>Will apply to this school for a PhD in CS since it is highly ranked
>Will enter a PhD around 30
>Do not give a fuck
>Will have a PhD around 35
>Do not give a fuck
>Would rather do this than make 6-figures in industry hating my life everyday. Knowing that I would be completely satisfied having a PhD at 35 than being a fucking project manager at 35 hating my life even more.

Just do what the fuck you want. Don't worry about age.

>>7178978

Not trolling, but what kind of industry work would you get with a pure mathematics degree?

>>7178978
>>Lack too many CS pre-req for a CS PhD

You making this shit up.

>>7179039
Data Science. I was valued for my mathematics skills and then moved 'up' which meant I moved into a higher level role where I started developing vision & strategy that other analyst would follow. I really impressed my director & higher levels with my first analytics project. I had skills no one else had on the team and exceeded expectations. They've since hired a PhD in Physics from an Ivy and other MS students.

>>7179044
I wish. The graduate program has multiple CS coursework requirements. Since I'll be taking undergrad courses there, I'll get an adviser and take bare min. courses I need and then apply. Bare min puts me taking courses at least another year, which is perfectly fine by me.

>>7166725
You were going to turn 30 anyways.

Might as well have a Piled Higher and Deeper for it.

Good luck teaching!

>>7167487
>tfw i don´t know tfw you are talking about

>>7166725
>mfw me neither

>tfw you graduate with no internship or research experience

>>7167440
This. I nearly went into MS/PhD. route to become a lecturer but last minute decided to purse MBA and get the fuck out of this academic shithole.

Seriously, these people are autistic and completely full of themselves.

>>7167838
who... is this this angel

my retinas are scarred

>>7167630
lel im in the same boat as you. i applied for about 15 internships over the last few months and have only heard back from 2 saying they don't have any openings/didn't get the spot.

at least we can be burger king buddies after we graduate

>>7179179
>The graduate program has multiple CS coursework requirements

Can't you get away with learning it on your own. Undergrad Algorithms, Complexity Theory, CompArch, OS Theory, Compilers, Networking, etc shouldn't take more than a week of full time studying each to learn.

>>7167666
Hey satan, checked.
But uh, that's what online ordering is for.
No more reading out nervous typos from a notepad doc for me, I get to watch animations of my toppings being added to my pizza and shit

>>7166725
>I am already working in an entry-level position in my career field
>I could very well be working in the job I'm going to work until the day I die by the time I'm 30
>all I need is a bachelors degree and a teaching certificate
I will be ruining 14 to 18 year old's lives by the time you get accepted into your program