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Are there any medical students on here? I go to medical sites, but sometimes I don't know what to trust. I'm not saying I trust this site either but I thought I'd give it a shot. Basically I want to ask questions about various problems I have and see what your opinions are.

>> No.7164933

>>7164883
>Are there any medical students on here?
I hope not, this is a science and math imageboard, not a board for people who demand six figure salaries for memorizing laundry lists of symptoms (poorly).

>> No.7164958
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7164958

>>7164933
I know right most doctors are serious pieces of shit that get paid obscene amounts of money to do practically fucking nothing. What's worse is the step-wiving shit they do with referrals to "specialists". Fuck it I guess I'm just retarded.

>> No.7164967

>>7164883
>Are there any medical students on here?
yes
> sometimes I don't know what to trust
Both doctors and the internet can be full of shit.

>>7164958
>referrals to "specialists"
Do you want a google-tier guess from a GP or someone who knows what he's doing? Go to an engineer and ask him to design a bridge, a high performance software application and an aircraft and he'll probably give you referrals to other specialties of engineering also.

>> No.7164971

>>7164967
>Go to an engineer and ask him to design a bridge, a high performance software application and an aircraft and he'll probably give you referrals to other specialties of engineering also.
But he won't be making 150k a year telling people to go somewhere else, you fucking dig mate?

>> No.7164980

>>7164971
It's funny how I'm OP and this isn't me it's just a random comment from an onlooker who knows the feeeeel

>> No.7164983

>>7164971
>he won't be making 150k a year telling people to go somewhere else.

Because his customers are competent enough to know what he's useful for. His job is also to construct and manage stuff, not fix dumb laymen.

The job is high stress, high responsibility, your education lasts forever, cost a fuckton and then you have to deal with cunts like yourself that thinks doctors should somehow be omni-specialzied and be able to fix all their problems directly in a single visit.

>> No.7164992

>>7164983
>Dumb laymen

Guess anyone who didn't sit through 10 years of medical school is a "layman" then. Gotta love the elitist attitude of "professionals".

>> No.7164998

>>7164992
Elitism is definitely a professional trait.

Gotta discourage stupid people from killing each other.

>> No.7165007

>>7164992
>anyone who didn't sit through 10 years of medical school is a "layman" then

Yes. That's the fucking definition of the word.
>a person who is not qualified in a given profession and/or does not have specific knowledge of a certain subject.

>Gotta love the elitist attitude of "professionals".
Giving special treatment and breaking my work routine to appease spoiled adult children isn't part of my job description. Deal with it.

>> No.7165032

>>7165007
I don't mind referrals, I do get pissed when specialists charge me so fucking much and just tell me to take pain killers because "it would take too long to discover what's really wrong". Specifically a neuro specialists told me this, he was convinced it was not fatal so he told me to fuck off.

I don't care how busy he is, if he doesn't want to fix then don't fucking pretend you can and charge me after you failed.

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>>7165032
>>7165032
Exactly a patient should not be obligated to pay a single penny if a doctor cannot actually fix their problem, the stupid notion that the doctor should be paid simply for being in a room with them and having them attempt to make some half-assed, shitty, conjectural diagnosis with no proper evidence that their mode of treatment will work is asinine. Don't even get me started on the "mental health" doctors either that's a level of quackery I don't even want to get into seeing as how the efficacy of their treatments has no basis in any physically measurable phenomenon.

>> No.7165052

>>7165007
"I jew people out of their hard earned money with my medical degree my parents paid for and suckle at the teet of insurance companies who are also jewing hapless people out of more money than they pay for the service to live my cushy lifestyle with two condos and a vacation home because I am hypocritical and worthless piece of shit."

-You

>> No.7165084

>>7165032
>Specifically a neuro specialists told me this, he was convinced it was not fatal so he told me to fuck off.
And your problems were?

>>7165046
>a patient should not be obligated to pay a single penny if a doctor cannot actually fix their problem.
Weaseling out of paying would be a national sport.

>>7165052
You're an overprivileged manchild with no insight into either the practice of medicine or practical working conditions in the field yet you still think you're qualified to dicatate how things should work?

One of the reason for the high costs of medicine is you. No one wants to deal with insufferable faggots for pennies.

>> No.7165102

>>7165084
>And your problems were?
Migraines, I get them about four times a semester and they last for 2-3 days, can barely move and painkillers do not work for shit.

I still have them, they've become so bad I throw up constantly from the pain.

It's affecting my work performance, I'd be more pissed, but with minimal luck my my factory is soon going to be at full production capacity and I'll never have to worry about money again.


I don't want to shit on the entire medical profession, just the fact that if the asshole specialists weren't controlling their profession so much just to make more money they could train more people so they can actually handle the fucking workload and not have to work 80 hours a week to earn money they never get to spend.

>> No.7165117

>>7165084
Weaseling out of paying for what?! You stupid fuck. You pay for a service that actually works, if I pay my cable company I get internet access and can visibly see the results upon paying for said service. If I pay your faggot ass I have no guarantee that what you prescribe (if anything) will be effective. Recently a doctor tried to charge me cash upfront prior to the visit, the asshole wanted 80$ to sit with me in a room for like 15 minutes for a follow up from a previous appointment. I walked out the door and don't plan on going back to his clinic ever.

>> No.7165136

>>7165084
You have no idea how old I am, my gender or my occupation (none of which I am even obliged to tell you) yet you make blind assumptions like the jack ass you are, kindly kill yourself.

>> No.7165140

>>7165102
>I get them about four times a semester and they last for 2-3 days, can barely move and painkillers do not work for shit.

Have you tried any prophylactic/preventative drugs?

It seems a bit strange for a neurologist to just discard you like that, there's plenty of pharmacologic preventive options to try at the very least which wouldn't be very time consuming at all.

>> No.7165144

>>7165117
He obviously means poor people who have been treated successfully will try to weasel out of paying. And he's right about that too tbh

>> No.7165150

>>7165136
>You have no idea how old I am, my gender or my occupation
I don't give a shit about your special snowflake person, your behaviour however bears the hallmarks of a terrible patient(terrible person too) and it's probably reflected in your documents.

>> No.7165158

>>7165144
Gee I wonder why the poor person doesn't want to pay the the ultra-rich doctor to "fix" the health problems they probably got from working their terrible-paying wage-slave job. This is a tough nut to crack I'll have to think long and hard about this one and get back to you. Shit maybe I'll make it a research project for "school", a long quest if you will to find the elusive answer to this impossibly difficult question.

>> No.7165162

>>7165140
>Have you tried any prophylactic/preventative drugs?
Yes none of them work, I went through all the most modern stuff.

Only thing that sort of worked for me for a while was cutting out all diary and most sugars+simple carbs while fixing my sleeping and exercise patterns. My research sometimes requires me to stay awake for a few days straight so that ruins it again and I usually get migraines after these periods or a few weeks after. It might also be linked to eye/neck strain since I sometimes get it after long programming sessions, but I'm not really sure, I don't know enough about medicine to figure it out.

>It seems a bit strange for a neurologist to just discard you like that
His nurse did an EEG, he asked me a few algorithmic-like questions for 15 minutes, ranted about unrelated shit for 20, then told me he doesn't think it's anything fatal so GTFO.

My friends doing medschool (who also went through their textbooks with me) told me that's how it's usually done, if they can't find the cause and they think it's not fatal and no one will sue they just let us suffer and don't try to fix it.

>> No.7165165

>>7165158
It doesn't matter, they provided a service so they have to pay, it's not the doctors fault they didn't work hard in high school to earn more than wage-slave salary.

>> No.7165167

>>7165162
>they just let us suffer and don't try to fix it.
There are limits to what modern medicine can do.

>> No.7165178

ITT : consequences of money-oriented American healthcare. Terrible doctors creating whining patients/brats.

Also
>doctors
>elitists

Halft of the threads on /sci/ consist in "le engineering master race xDDD no STEM is better". Med students and doctors are pretty much laid back compared to engineecunts.

>> No.7165186

I'm an anesthesiologist with a subspecialty in pain management. Reading this thread pissed me off incredibly much, fuck you, fuck everyone who thinks that way, fuck everyone who steps in my office with that attitude, fuck everyone who thinks of doctors like that. If you could be one you should have at least tried you dumb piece of shit that thinks of engineering more than medical sciences. Go insert your shitty calculations in a pc to do all the shit for you and let the real working people do their fucking jobs you fucking need to live by. Don't cry like a motherfucker when noone treats you well. I guess the neuro got pissed off by your attitude so you fucking deserved all the shit he gave you. Like another medical specialist said in this thread, I never took any "how to calm teenagers crying out loud" class. Why should I then?

Going in an anonymous image board asking personal health questions reveals that you're retarded as fuck too. Don't play smart when you do shit like that.

You also asked for opinions. My opinion is go kill yourself you piece of shit.

Now that I got it out of my system, your description of your symptoms resembles the "my pc is broken" IT specialist get everyday. Now kindly fuck off.

>> No.7165192

>>7165162
>that's how it's usually done, if they can't find the cause and they think it's not fatal and no one will sue they just let us suffer and don't try to fix it.

Not every problem have an identifiable cause or cure. They did try pharmacological treatment at least.

Also doctors are working with time and resource constraints. At some point there's really not much more to do. Finding some neurologist that frequently deal with migraine could be an option in case you think your last neurologist gave up to soon or was incompetent. but there's no guarantee you'd get more success from that.

>> No.7165193

>>7165167
Yes, so add more places in medschool so we can have more MD-PhD researchers and MD practitioners. I can't believe how badly the field is being stifled just to control the salaries.

Worst of all it's not even an original idea. At one point professional engineers wanted to raise the entrance requirements of engineering and wanted it to become a graduate degree like medicine or law, there were even plans for "pre-engineering" programmes etc. (there still is in sense). Only problem is the state said "nope, the economy would collapse; fuck you fags". I don't know why medicine in the US gets away with the blatant bureaucracy. In other countries medicine is just like any other profession, you can get into the degree straight out of high-school and you work reasonable 40 hour work weeks and earn a reasonable salary.

Also the field needs more rigour, there seems to be lack of efforts to connect the fundamental mechanisms to most physiological diseases/fuckups even though the vanilla "healthy" physiology has been extremely well mapped.

>> No.7165198

>>7165150
>>7165150
>>7165150
>>7165150
You clearly do care a little bit if you're responding you jackwagon, this must strike a nerve with you at least somewhat and I'm guessing you're in the medical field but not necessarily an MD, DO or what have you. Also please thoroughly explain what makes me a "terrible person", is it because I use the fleshy pile of matter in my skull instead of just rolling with the punches? Though I may come off as sarcastic I'm very serious and really want to get an insight into how you people think and so far what I've read is horrifying (IE you have a superiority complex you shouldn't have). The dichotomy of producer and consumer on every level of every industry fascinates me so keep typing I want to read it all.

>> No.7165199

>>7165186

/sci/ loves to disparage the medical field, yet when they try to talk about it, they tend to know less than a 6th grader and create the shittiest and cringiest threads about it

"hey guize I woke up this morning with a headache could it be brain cancer ? too scared to go the doctor"
"1000 proofs that cannabis is absolutely inoffensive and grows your brains cells and cures cancer and enlarges your penis"
"how do I immortal? "
"le bigpharmaconspiracy.jpg"

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>>7165193
>In other countries medicine is just like any other profession, you can get into the degree straight out of high-school and you work reasonable 40 hour work weeks and earn a reasonable salary.

What
the
actual
fuck

What countries are you talking about ?? 40 hours per week ? As far as I know, not in France, or Germany, or UK, or Ireland, or Belgium, or Switzerland. I don't know about other European countries but I have yet to find a doctor that works 40 hours per week.

>> No.7165213

>>7165186
Firs of all as the guy who posted about the neuro I'm not the OP and I only posted because the other MD ITT was asking about it. In the appointment I followed instructions just telling him my symptoms and I didn't have an "attitude", but whatever, you're ranting about stuff that's really unimportant and unprofessional to me.

You sound frustrated that patients that know as much about medicine as you do. I shouldn't have to tell you how childish and retarded that is.

>> No.7165219

>>7165199
I've never any seen a single thread like that in all my 5 years on /sci/, don't get me wrong this board is retarded, but those are /pol/ and /fit/ threads, not /sci/.

>> No.7165221

>>7165186
>>7165186
Not realizing that I'm just testing you dumb fucks to see how you respond to someone questioning your medical "authority" please tell me more about how bad you've got it dealing with with those awful cash-cow patients. I'm literally blowing a huge load to your anger, your tears are like milk and honey.

>> No.7165226

>>7165198
>Also please thoroughly explain what makes me a "terrible person"

You walk into someones workplace and demands everything to start orbiting around you and following your whims. When told to stop being a fucktard you throw a tantrum and try even harder to make everything about yourself and make further demands.

You're disruptive and uncooperative and probably unaware of yourself being it.

>> No.7165229

>>7165192
>They did try pharmacological treatment at least.
I would've like that, but instead he prescribed me common OTC shit that didn't work at all.

My MD friends got me more modern drugs that were more sensibly expected to work, but unfortunately none of them worked for me.

>time and resource constraints.
So train more doctors? If you can't handle the workload then why bother scheduling the appointment at all?

>> No.7165235

>>7165207
All of those countries except Switzerland and UK-England. Working more is even illegal in some of those.

>> No.7165237

>>7165219

Really ? Every single med thread on /sci/ is shit tier, and they're either about some guy like OP who wants to be diagnosed on the Internet (because he despises doctors but wants the advice from a professionnal nonetheless, eh), conspiracy threads or cringy debates about immortality or intelligence without any valid scientific data to back up what's being said, and with more speculations than from a psych undergrad paper. Maybe you didn't notice that precisely because you don't belong in that field, but in all honesty, even my worst dementia-stricken patients wouldn't spew 1/4th of the bullshit I've seen on /sci/ med threads. I'm not making this up to win an Internet argument, some of the most stupid bullshit about the medical field, I've read them on /sci/. That's why it makes me laugh to see you guys be so eager to disparage doctors and med students when you go whining the minute you have a headache"OMG I'M GOING TO DIE FROM BRAIN TUMOUR FUCKING OVERPAID DOCTOR"

>> No.7165239

>>7165226
Your client pays you for a service, they aren't just assholes who barge in to bother you in your office, have some professional dignity.

>> No.7165240

>>7165226
Are you talking about me directly or a specific patient archetype you experience regularly? It doesn't matter either way, you signed up to deal with people's physical problems (literally) and reap what you sew. I'm sure that despite your workload you get compensated well enough that it is worth the time you put in. YOU have an attitude towards your patients who, even if they are a bit difficult are making you a living. Without the issues they have your industry would die.

>> No.7165247

>>7165237
>med thread on /sci/
Because medicine does not fucking belong on /sci/ and you aren't supposed to reply to your field's equivalent of homework threads, just report and hide them, they get deleted for a reason. I don't know why the 3 or 5 med students on here browse /sci/ expecting quality medicine threads. It's not a medicine board.

>disparage doctors and med students
Literally no one does this, no one fucking cares except for a few assholes who try to bait you like OP. I'm willing to bet it's mostly high-school kids too.

>> No.7165248

>>7165207
UK medstudentfag here, he's true about the straight out of highschool thing, im 19 and halfway through my uni course.
The 40 hours a week is true for GPs, just 9-5 Monday through Friday (My fucking GP takes tuesday afternoons off, so even less than 40hrs/week). Probably same with other specialists, but its the doctors still in training that do the nightmare 90+hrs per week shift yo hear about

>> No.7165250

>>7165237
The thread was made in an effort to get a topic off the ground, not really with the expectation of legitimate responses to medical concerns. I knew if I made this it would usher in comments from buttfrustrated human beans on both ends of the spectrum (patient and doctor) it's beautiful really to watch what you people have to say, I get to know what you truly think uninhibited by social identity or reputation magnificent and glorious.

>> No.7165251

>>7165235

>let me tell you about your working area

I'm a resident in nephrology in France. A resident works around 70 hours per week (counting the night shifts). Yes, normally it's illegal, the UE ordered the government not to make us work for more than 48 hours per week but they are going to do shit about it because we're cheap labor for the public health service. Also, I've done training courses in all kinds of med specialties, including GP, and I have yet to find a GP that does not work less than 50 hours. You can spew your bullshit about how we're being overpaid if it makes your miserable life of an engineer any better, but don't go and condescend me about my working conditions, thanks.

>> No.7165266

>>7165251
>let me tell you about your working area
I guarantee you that I have more siblings, cousins and friends in medicine than you have friends total.
>normally it's illegal
>It's "normally" illegal to murder someone, but...
It's illegal period.
>Me and my experience
Because training and academic hospitals are the exception to the rule. Go to any other more relaxed hospital and you'll see what I mean.
> You can spew your bullshit about how we're being overpaid
Personally I think US doctors are underpaid, EU as well to an extent, but they have less study debt to deal with so who cares. Like I said the US would benefit from training more MDs, not paying them less per hour.
>if it makes your miserable life of an engineer any better,
My life is great and I make more money than you while working less hours, but nice projection. You sound like one of those faggots who thought medicine was the end all prestige and money profession. You're an idiot if you went into medicine for any other reason than a desire to help people and you're going to be miserable your entire career if you did.
> but don't go and condescend me about my working conditions, thanks.
I wasn't trying to be condescending, I was drawing parallels between medicine in the US and other countries, stop getting offended on 4chan.

>> No.7165271

medicine
ˈmɛds(ə)n,ˈmɛdJsJn/Submit
noun
1. the science or practice of the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of disease (in technical use often taken to exclude surgery).

Errrr, its a science. What board is this? /sci/

>> No.7165275

>>7165240
>I'm sure that despite your workload you get compensated well enough that it is worth the time you put in.
To be honest: no.
You spend a fuckton of hours studying and grinding through medschool and get out with barely enough knowledge and knowhow to scrape by in a real independent work setting in which you're worked like slave labour with some future hope of relatively humane work conditions as a specialist. It's not very rewarding work, it's mostly just a never ending fucking grind of stress.

I'll either go into research or change field.

>> No.7165282

>>7165271
Are you an idiot, every field wants to be labeled as a science nowadays that doesn't make it one and every competent doctor know medicine is not a science, but a field that stands on its own.

>Political Science
>Business Science
>Management Science
>Sports Science
^None of these are actually science despite being called a science degree.

Engineers don't come here to discuss the business and management side of their degree, only the math and science related parts. Similarly if you want to discuss biochemistry and physiology be my guest, but /sci/ is not for discussing medicine and we don't want the board to be spammed with idiots trying to get free online diagnoses from you.

Economists can get this right and only talk about math in their field here, so can you, with a little effort.

>> No.7165285

>>7165275
Do something truly useful and put your effort into regenerative medicine and then make the knowledge public so that smaller companies can then use the research to provide better solutions to peoples' health concerns.

>> No.7165308

>>7165285
>make the knowledge public so that smaller companies can then use the research to provide better solutions to peoples' health concerns.
Fuck this guy.

Instead contact me so I can start making the precursors before the patent is publicized, I'll give you more royalties and money up front. Releasing it to everyone at once ruins the market before you even get into it.

>> No.7165570

>>7165308
You lying sack of shit you wouldn't pay him a dime you'd run off with the research and try to sell it to desperate suffering people seeking experimental treatment. Your greedy shitass behaviour is the reason conspiritards ranting about "le jooz" exist btw congrats on being a fuckhead. The whole point of having public information is so that this kind of top-secret asshole bullshit can't happen and no single person or group of people can get the upperhand on the vast majority of society yet for some reason this childish neo-conservative capitalist bullshit still exists and plagues most of modern civilization.

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>>7165570
He's showing you his true colors because he's "anonymous"

>> No.7165918

>>7165186
>I'm an anesthesiologist with a subspecialty in pain management
Is that when you call it when people are in pain but you don't give out painkillers because you're too fucking scared of the DEA? Pain "management"?

Fuck off.

>> No.7165929

>>7165918
you're retarded. Prescribing painkillers is pain management. Stop posting anytime.

>> No.7166065

>>7165918
>muh ignorance

I don't want drug seekers. And I got a lot of them. DEA exists for a reason you fucktard.

>> No.7166072

>>7165271
Medicine is a science, but doctors are not scientists. Kind of like how engineers are not scientists.

>> No.7166075

>>7165570
Fuck off commie. You don't belong here. You never did. You don't belong anywhere.

>> No.7166086

>>7165570
>You lying sack of shit you wouldn't pay him a dime
Uh, no? I literally can't do that or I go to jail.

Do you even know how shit in the real world works at all?

>and try to sell it to desperate suffering people seeking experimental treatment.
Wrong if I have a solid business plan and the market isn't flooded I can mass produce it for cheaper and not have to worry about over production. More people would get it for cheaper. Lrn2Risk management.

> The whole point of having public information is so that this kind of top-secret asshole bullshit can't happen and no single person or group of people can get the upperhand on the vast majority of society yet for some reason this childish neo-conservative capitalist bullshit still exists and plagues most of modern civilization.
>People shouldn't have to pay for the hard work of researchers! They should do it FOR FREE! (but also they should pay me for bread, because I totally earned that)
Yeah, go fuck yourself you hippie shitstain.

>> No.7166129

>>7164883
I like this thread. It shows me how stupid people can be outside what they know.

>> No.7166169

>>7165162
>staying up a few days straight
what did you expect

>> No.7166187

>>7166169
Tiredness? I'm not a fucking MD how would I know.

>> No.7166247

>>7165918
I know "pain management" is such a bullshit term for pussy "sub-specialists" who are too afraid of being ousted by drug regulators that they don't even prescribe effective pain meds.

>> No.7166253

>>7166075
I like this post, it made me think of that episode of futurama where farnsworth tells the hippie version of himself to get a job. But seriously you're ignorant as fuck though.

>> No.7166258

>>7166086
I'm saying we should promote a kind of society where competition isn't solely based on financial gain not that people shouldn't work idiot.

>> No.7166267

>>7164971
>But he won't be making 150k a year telling people to go somewhere else, you fucking dig mate?

What sad consultant engineers are YOU working with?

>> No.7166269

>>7165046
>Exactly a patient should not be obligated to pay a single penny if a doctor cannot actually fix their problem

First answer:
>Doctors shouldn't do this one thing that every single other consultant, from Law to Engineering to auto mechanic, does every day.

Alternative answer:
Yeah, that's not how capitalism works nigger. If doctor X charges more for an initial consultation than you want to pay, go to doctor Y.

>> No.7166273

>>7165158
>Poor people can't afford doctors, lawyers or engineers
>So doctors are terrible people

Top tier argument, spot.

>> No.7166284

>>7165046
I'd say you've got a pretty bad case of Chronic Bitch Syndrome (CBS), not to be confused with the media source. Maybe that falls into the realm of mental health, neurology, and personality disorders. Maybe it's genetic and your parents could have recessive alleles. Maybe it's a result of somatic mutations that arose in noncoding eQTLs during pediatric development and your parents aren't to blame for disorder (though that's highly unlikely). The world may never know what the precise etiology of your spectacular bitchiness, but hopefully, your condition will guide the treatment of others. Either way, pay up, bitch.

>> No.7166393

>>7166247
My mother has parkinsonism. She's had a lot of trouble recovering from foot surgery and was in extreme pain.

Doctor:
>I'm not giving you pain meds

Yeah the DEA exists to protect us from people who can't even wipe their own ass.

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>>7166284
>>7166284
>>7166284
Here's your money douche I've got a gorillion more if you want them.

>> No.7167856

>>7165186

I agree with you.

>> No.7167860

Hello /sci/
I came in my gf like 5 hours ago
Although she is on birth control she hasn't taken it since Sunday
I'm getting her the Plan B pill tomorrow
I should be good right

>> No.7168039

>>7167856
No one asked you faggot.

>> No.7168105

>>7166258
>I'm saying we should promote a kind of society where competition isn't solely based on financial gain not that people shouldn't work idiot.

How else do you intend to ration our limited resources?

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7168810

>>7164992
this

10 years of welding work should get you a phD in welding lmaoo

>> No.7168881

>>7167860
>my gf
normie pls