/sci/ - Science & Math

I'm not that smart

>>7159070
I don't value wealth above all else because I'm not American.

You aren't special.

You react negatively towards a devastating critique of your pseudo-intellectualism? How surprising...

It's a fair question. most people in the real world measure their aptitude against their achievements - wealth, career progression, etc.

>>7159075
>being retarded
wealth opens up a large number of options that you wouldn't of had before. the actual smart people realize this and make sure they become wealthy.

>>7159070
I am, I graduated with a bachelors in Math in the later part of the 70's and after a few years of observing and learning, cofounded my own trading firm with a buddy

>>7159070
I am.
Became a pharmacist and I literally don't know what to do with all these monies

>>7159080
>if you're so smart why haven't you solved any of the millenium problems yet?

>>7160099
>wouldn't of
and you called him retarded. oh, the irony.

>>7159070
biz is that way -->

>>7159070
I am.

>>7160099
> i am greedy

what if you wanted to live a humble life?

>>7160575
What if you change your wish?

because scoring highly on IQ tests doesn't give you any significant amount of wealth

>If you're so smart then why are you dead?
Makes me cry every time.

i work in a swiss patent office

the pay is not good but i can work on my thought experiments

its pretty easy to become disillusioned with society and the trappings of the more intelligent you are. As long as I have access to a lab and enough money to survive, I'm pretty happy. I grew up fairly wealthy and was able to see money really has no correlation with happiness. I have enough money to maintain myself, do research, and I have some plants and animals to keep me entertained.

>>7159070
>Because I wasn't born rich.
I fucking REK normals' capitalist pipe dreams.

>>7160575
go for it, but you won't be able to do much compared to someone who is rich. money simply gives you more options and it would be idiotic to not take them.

>>7159070
Scientific/mathematical professions are for the passionate, not the greedy. There are a lot of smart people making good money in corporate or medicine, I just happen to not be one of them.

>>7160139
What are you, 12 ?

>>7160638
I think the stat was: after yearly income is raised to 70,000 dollars a year, happiness doesn't increase anymore with respect to increasing the income any further.

>>7160678
It would be idiotic to refuse the money should it be offered to you.

Then again, usually money does not fall the sky, and you have to work for it.
Even though we can still argue that, it is now less evident that not seeking money is idiotic.

Again, even if it gives more options, people who want to live a humble live don't reason with "I can do more things that way", but with "I'm happier that way".

You seem to think that being able to do a lot of things means you are happier than someone who isn't.
But, money is only a factor, it will help do things but not other.

What is idiotic is not declining money if it is for some principles, but thinking that everybody should live with your self-centered standards and be a hedonist hog thinking that "money implies being happier because money implies more options"

>>7159070
Got a PhD in math, idk what to do with all these $300k per year

>>7160628
>i work in a swiss patent office
>the pay is not good but i can work on my thought experiments

underrated post

>>7160575
What if you were humble and had a couple billion dollars to be humble with?

How many facets of science would you fund?
What research would you push?
What advantages would you offer intelligent students?

There's rich intelligent philanthropists out there. They just aren't in the news because they don't give a shit nor a giggle what the general populace thinks. Occasionally they comment in a magazine.

Saying you don't want to be rich is manipulative way of telling someone you are lazy and lack ambition.

>>7160846
not everyone has the opportunity to get rich
not everyone is lucky.

>>7160849
>thats right boys, its all about luck
>I've never done any risking things in my life
>Lived under dogma all throughout
>Told me to get good grades, got good grades
>Told me to go to college, went to college
>Told me to get a job, got a job

didnt do anything extra, did what was expected just like billions of other people

no special skill, no different, replaceable

>Complain about luck

>>7160849
see
>>7161582

just because you are good doesnt mean your the best, ergo why you are not rich

>>7159070
I have a nice capacity, however, I didn't grow in the best environment to take the best out of it.

My parents weren't autistic asians who would've raised me in a polyglot environment. Even though I could've learn some decent algebra as a child, I was raised under the idea that studying and school are boring. My parents were not well-informed in nutrition and exercising either.

Having the capacity =/= having the right circumstances to exploit said capacity.

Wow, for a science and math board there are way too many people defending the idea that everyone should want to be rich. Caring about money just because of "the opportunities it gives you," or any reason for thinking that everyone should want to be rich is such narrow-minded thinking. Of course all else equal, having more money is better. But that's impossible in this world. You need to do something that earns you money. Not everyone wants to do that.

Moreover, not every smart person wants to do things that require a lot of money. I'm currently a postdoc, married to another academic. We are low-maintenance enough that we literally don't even know how to spend all of our money. We save tons of money every year, and buy anything we think of buying (which happens not to include too much expensive stuff). We don't feel like we need to be frugal at all, and yet I'm perfectly happy living my life out like this

I don't want to be a rich guy who funds research or gives money to charity or changes the world. I don't care about any of that stuff. I just want to quietly do mathematics, spend time with my loved ones, and die. This is my ideal life. Being rich wouldn't get me anything I don't already have.

>>7161767
Are you rich enough to pay off my relatively small student loans

>>7161767
why do you want to die? why not fund anti-aging research so you can potentially continue doing what you enjoy forever?

>>7159070
that was a great episode btw

>>7159070
Riches come in the next life

>>7161767
>I still live with my parents

too many enemies spreading lies and slander about me. shouldn't stop me in the future, but it has severely affected my past.

>>7161837
This is the one reason I would want to get rich. Thing is, the amount of effort it would take vs. the likelihood it would happen even if I became the richest man on earth and devoted all of my funds toward this is so small. Doesn't seem worth it considering the likelihood I just waste my life without ever achieving the goal of immortality. I came to terms with dying when I was very young, and am okay with it.

>>7159070
1) Because the smarts, type of discipline and hard work needed for getting rich is different than the smarts needed for studying a STEM and shitpost in /sci all day.
2) We are still pretty young i assume (lots of rich people fucked up lots of times before hitting it).

>>7159070
Wait a minute... so you have to be smart in order to be rich? But the kardashians are some of the dumbest bimbos EVA HAHA

>>7161930
I'm sorry, but you're dumb.

The statement implies that smart people are rich and not that rich people are smart

>>7161920
how can you predict the outcome before you know? your assumption is odd. do you know much about the unpredictability in the growth of knowledge?

the amount of effort is small compared to the potential of infinite gain.

>>7159070
is pepe actually so mainstream now that its making it to facebook? this is getting out of control

Because not everyone is a greedy jew.

>>7160139
Its not irony, just coincidence.
>youre both retarded
>inb4 hurr durr its you're
The apostrophe is a worthless punctuation mark and everybody knows it.

>>7160609
Scoring highly on IQ tests also doesnt indicate you are smart. This is coming from someone who scored a 141 on mensa's test. Its all garbage. Wealth is a more accurate measurement of intellect.

>>7161993
this
because success if the only real measure of success

intellect, atleast in my opinion, is the ability to 'make shit happen' as you see fit
despite the circumstances

>>7159070
Wealth generally requires extreme aptitude at a niche specialty not an overall general or even practical intelligence.

>>7161767
You are considered rich by most people on 4chan. That said, i completely agree. Its the entire reason i picked up a trade rather than going to college. I work 3 days a week and spend the rest of the time doing the things i love (building things in my garage, playing video games, spending time with loved ones). Time is far more valuable than money for me, its the only resource that nobody can give you more of... yet

>>7162000
What trade did you pick up?

>>7160139
Is it a meme to shit on somebody's grammar and then not capitalize the start of your sentence?

>>7159070
I am working towards a phd in pure mathematics. This is the thing that gets to me. I will likely spend my life working on contributing a tiny piece of mathematical knowledge.
Meanwhile lawyers, doctors and bankers are out making friends, exploring the world and making love to beautiful women.
Is pure thought really worth it?

>>7162037
Yes but only if you're borderline insane and know how to present the fact that you're smarter than everyone else without getting them to hate you.

Seriously, when talking to women about it describe how "poetic and artistic" pure mathematics is. If you're passionate about it and act that way without being autistic asian robot it shouldn't be hard.

>>7162037
This is what bothers me. I don't need much money to live but I wonder if I an missing out. Contributing to science seems like the only way to go for me yet since I am not a genius I will just be a small cog working long hours for modest pay and no fame so I wonder if going full hedonism wouldn't be a better choice.

>>7159070

I am, make around 80-120k a month trading futures/options on my couch.

I can tell you being rich doesn't mean you are intelligent though, at least it isn't a measure of your intelligence, although learning a skill that earned you a bunch of money that you could use filling your one life in the universe with pleasure seems smarter than being some typical 60k a year scientist that is smart but not smart enough to make any real breakthroughs or discoveries in the field realistically.

I have to say a lot of the S.T.E.M majors and neckbeards in general are cheeky kunts though(especially Indians for some reason), especially when they learn I'm self made, then they get visibly and audibly salty.

>>7162046
I explain pure mathematics as it really is and most women find it off-putting, why say something is beautiful if you cannot show its beauty?

>>7159070
How do I put it to this? Money is not my desire. I don't frown upon those that wish to be rich. My desires is simply just doing mathematics for endless of hours, and someday I hope to wander around the world, and perhaps teach/lecture at different universities.

>>7162066
Most people find passion hot. She may not get the beauty of math, but she will likely be attracted to the fact that you are passionate about something. Don't try and explain it. Just talk enthusiasticly about it.

>>7162265
Don't keep on talking about it if she seems to be getting boared though.

>>7159070

>imblayign

>>7162265
Inb4laying

>>7162268
Yall got no game. Just ignore her most of the time, bang her brains out once a week and tell her you're too busy working to see her any more than that.

She'll definitely be interested in math then, as in "why does he find this stuff more interesting than me???"

>>7162054
>I am, make around 80-120k a month trading futures/options on my couch.

Pics or it didn't happen nigga.

>>7162280
Yep. That too. There's no efficient way to scare em off if you really want to be alone and code though. Whatever crazy you try to pull that logically should work just makes them even more curious about you.

>>7162290
You could always say you love animals or something and then show her your collection of weird animal sex dolls. If she doesn't run away at that point, I don't know what would work.

>>7162295
The downside of this is that you would have to buy and hide away some disturbing shit though. And the possibility that your mom or dad or friends would find out.