/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7157597
>is music purely a human creation from culture or is there evidence of it in nature?
>purely a human creation
Bird songs
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>>7157609
some say they have a purely biological application: to either mate or drive a predator away. is there evidence of birds creating songs for aesthetic reasons?

>>7157597

First of all, what do we consider as music? How do we define it?

>>7157609

>>7157613
system of sounds put together in a certain way for the reason of enjoyment or self-expression

Whales that migrate to breeding grounds all begin dining a particular song, corresponding to that of the previous year, after the whales meet up etc they all begin singing a whole new song, different from the first , this info might be hard to read as I'm high but I'm a wildlife bio major so google that shit

>>7157618
>a certain way
the word you're looking for is rythm.

>>7157621
I've heard whale songs, some dude even put together sheet music for the tones they use and how it changes over time. it doesn't sound like music to me, but it definitely is systematic and planned out.
high bio major, why do whales sing?

>>7157597
The best candidates might be whales, but it's nearly untestable why they sing what they sing in certain situations without massive advances in neuroscience.

>>7157621
You call it a song. But only because it sounds melodious to your human ears. Same for birds. To them it's simple communication, as speech is to us.

Music is a human creation as humans are the only species capable of feeling complex emotions.

>>7157622
rhythm, expression, dynamics, harmonies etc.

>>7157630
are you a neuroscientist?

>>7157609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnfPUlR3ccg&t=11m30s

>>7157609
No, we interpret it as music. To them it's a form of communication.

>>7157612
>some say they have a purely biological application: to either mate or drive a predator away.

Some people say that humans make music to attract mates.

>>7157869
more like to attract money

>>7157869
Some people are fucking retarded

>>7157869
some people say you're a faggot

Music is obviously not a human creation. Same as art. Get over yourselves, you damn dirty apes.

>>7158053
I'm aware, but I'm having a hard time proving it

>>7157597
OP your pic doesn't have the vector analysis identities. why have E&M identities but no vector analysis?

>>7157597
>high school tier science
lel

sex

>>7159910
chill out, we where all there once.

>>7157632
Prove that it's not a song to them.

Mating. Humans just expanded upon it for pleasure and enjoyment. Kind of like sex.

>>7157652
Isn't music a form of communication?

>>7157650
Thank you

>>7159999
>we where all there once
some of us still are apparently.

>>7160517
Dolphins and a bunch of other animals fuck for pleasure.