/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7145479
Cos that's what bunches of atoms do.

Plus, cosmic rays

>>7145479
The end of cold war.
Space race was an ICBM side project.

>>7145479

lack of a common enemy happened.

we need an existential threat or someshit.

>>7145487
>>7145485
>>7145479

or, or, let's send terrorists to mars on a low budget rocket so we can develop weapons to kill arabs on foreign planets and hope for derivative technologies.

>>7145479
We were really only doing the moon landing for propaganda reasons. I mean, we actually did land on the Moon, but we didn't have any clear reason for doing so besides "we'll show those damn Ruskies!"

Once we won the Space Race, we hadn't actually come up with any reason to keep going, and it was really expensive, so we stopped. NASA was prevented from doing much further by the rich source of congressional pork its activities provided; this, for instance, is why we're still stuck using solid rocket boosters - because Congress really likes the jobs those plants provide. The net result is that NASA spends so much funding on building new rockets it doesn't have the funding to launch any new missions for them - we can't build up any infrastructure.

We'll start doing space again as soon as somebody comes up with a good reason for it - right now, a lot of people doing private space companies are betting we'll be able to make it profitable.

>>7145491

although this being slightly unfeasible

we could instead create fake CIA reports saying that mars has a stockpile of illegal chemical weapons.

>>7145496
Propaganda was an added bonus to the space race, the main point was wanting to know how to build the best rocket in case we decided to start launching missiles around.

>>7145479

I think finding nothing of value on the moon pretty much ruined things

And realistically, what could humans do on mars that rovers cant?

>>7145539
sex

>>7145546
kek

>>7145479
> How the fuck has NO ONE landed on Mars yet?
We have remote controlled robots now that can do the same job without all that pesky food, water and oxygen to worry about.

We have a rover on Mars now that is busily going about its tasks and sending the data back. If/when it finally breaks down, it's just a machine.

Drones are the future. Human pilots went the way of the room sized computers.

Hate to break it to ya pal but governments don't do stuff just because. Neither do corporations. Although I think we should, and could and someone should fucking round up all the assholes doing retarded experiments on our dime and give them a good whooping.
>856,000 spent on recording mountain lions on treadmills
>18 million to renovate shitty ski resort airport
And the list goes on and on

the moon is like 0.1% of the distance to Mars

>>7145580
In space travel, speak not of distances, for they are variable, speak of delta v ranges at reasonable launch windows.

>>7145479
>What the fuck happened?

Man divided and began to keep knowledge secret from one another once more; the petty ego of nation states making them selfish. The few dammed the stream of knowledge, and the once great lakes of the public domain shriveled. Soon there wasn't enough water for it to rain and feed the stream, bringing about another information dark age. All progress without direct commercial potential slowed, as people began to look inwards on in their civilization. In what could only be described as an intellectual collapse: man forgot what they had once dreamed. They forgot why they had ever looked upwards in the first place. In a moment tragic amnesia they turned their gazed down and away from the stars.

The End?

>>7145586
obviously we would take the shortest possible window, but it's still far as fuck

traveling to the moon is nothing compared to mars. 1.5 light seconds compared to several light minutes.

my question is why there isn't a base on the moon yet?

politics

Congress wanted to spend a lot on the Space Shuttle, an utterly useless piece of machinery

>>7145662

again nothing of value

we have an ISS and *had* a space shuttle as a byproduct of satellites in orbit being very useful

US Generals dont think there's a secret russian base on mars like they did the moon

>>7145677
No one thought there was such a base in 1969, either.

>>7145479
> What the fuck happened?
There is a lot of varied opinion on this.
Here is one take.

The Apollo project was the successful culmination of many years of America catching up with German and Russian rocket technology.
That era was a truly exciting time for space science in our nation.

However, by the end of the Apollo years, many Americans had grown somewhat blase' of the whole thing. The latter
moon landings for example often were hardly covered by the news media. So we have many years with such a vast series of
accomplishments that Americans are kind of satiated.

Even so, there was still enough interest in space and even manned space activities in the early to mid 70's.
One of the concerns was the cost of everything. The concept of "reuseability" seemed a way out of some of the expense problems,
so now:

Enter the Space Shuttle.

The Space Shuttle was initially supposed to be a nifty low cost quick turn around alternative to the larger one shot
rockets of the day. It turned out to be more complex to do regular shuttle flights than first imagined.
Even though the Shuttle has arguably been a successful program overall, some of the issues with the shuttle's development
and operation even more firmly entrenched the belief that space work must always be super expensive.
Perhaps even more important is the shuttle program had the effect of directing all attention to lower earth orbit (LEO)
missions. The good news is that there were/are a lot of LEO projects worth doing. So to some, the shuttle seemed
to be enough of a space program for America. So projects like mars landings were just not within the scope of the
Space Shuttle. The Space Shuttle kind of "took up all the LOX" in our nation's space aspirations.

Today we have new systems being developed by NASA, SpaceX and other entities that should make more advanced projects possible.

>>7145479
No one has landed on Mars because it's not politically tenable. You've gotta convince the electorate that spending the tax dollars needed to go to Mars are a worthwhile expenditure, or else the electorate is more likely to vote for someone that panders to their interests.

The public's eternally wishy-washy perception of cost (Muh Taxes) versus payoff (Men on Mars!) is literally the only reason we haven't gone yet.

>>7145479
What happened to mars to cause a big scar like that?

>>7145479
>then decide to spend billions on warfare and killing one another or selling shit to one another for the next 46 years.


I can't understand how you hippies can be so retarded?
>le war
>le killing one another
>lelelelele

jesus fucking christ.

you live on a planet with limited resources, growing population? yes?
is it not in your interest to protect your own genes?Do those two things, limited resources and growing population tell you something? yes it is in your interest to do so, billions are small price to pay for survival of your genes.

War is perfectly logical, you are just too stupid to understand it.The name of the game is survival not "le getting to mars and being star trek!!! XD!".
Mars will not do anything for our survival. We have no way of terraforming it, any base we make there will need constant fixing because of extreme conditions: lack of atmosphere, radiation, temperatures. It takes months to get there and months back. We have no way of quick, reliable, reusable interplanetary transportation. Putting people there would be even more idiotic and wouldn't serve any other purpose but to show how big your dick is.
Wake up, this isn't sci-fi, we can't just take a dead planet and make it alive again. Just like that, on a whim of some hippie that can't even understand something that has been with us since forever, war.
That's how universe works! We just wish it and it comes true!!! FUCK YEAH, I want to fuck emma watson! Oh shit!, you guyzzz emma watson is on my dick as I'm writing this post oooooohhhh

>>7145479
It's effectively just wasted money. You won't make any profit in any reasonable way in any reasonable time span.

You can't profitably mine anything and get it back to earth, you can't properly utilize it as living space because it isn't terraformed, there isn't really anything obvious to research there which could be used for developing new technologies and tourism isn't remotely affordable.

>>7146073
The point you were trying to make got kinda lost in all that shit coming from your mouth, friend.

>>7146087
>The point you were trying to make got kinda lost in all that shit coming from your mouth, friend.


>le mom! someone insulted my idiocy on the internet! that must mean they are wrong!!!

wouldn't expect much logic from you...
I don't gain anything from making you smarter.

>>7146073
War and people fighting each other is in fact main cause of science having to hold back. Educate yourself before shitposting

>>7146090
The world doesn't gain anything from people who are self-absorbed, and doesn't care what you want.

>>7146094
>War and people fighting each other is in fact main cause of science having to hold back

Why is it so that in times of war we see more progress than at any other time? huh? Could it be NEED for technology and science as TOOLS that we use to SURVIVE?????You are bloody retarded...

>>7146095
>The world doesn't gain anything from people who are self-absorbed, and doesn't care what you want.

>le you hurt my feelings thus you are wrong
>the world doesn't want you!! lelellele

why is /sci/ filled with normies with no reasoning skills? go back to /x/ you fucking fucktards

>>7146107
wow he mad, there is no need to kill each other to do science. Your mind is very limited, go die in your war faggot

>>7145479
> What the fuck happened?
Men got distracted...?

>>7146111
>wow he mad,

not really, to you writing something longer than a sentence must be very hard so the only time you do it is when you are very mad!!

> there is no need to kill each other to do science.

science isn't outside human condition you goddamn retard, science is a tool, and tool won't be used if there is no fucking reason to use it. is that simple enough for you to understand?

> Your mind is very limited, go die in your war faggot

>>>/x/

>>7146112
thats not emma...

>>7146114
Writing anything longer than sentence for a retard past redemption like you is waste of time

>"science wont happen without war hurr durr"

>>7146065
barfight. it was ugly. that asteroid field? yeah, that was that, too. the other planets dont talk about it much since then.

>>7146112
That doesn't have Watson's inbred chipmunk face

>>7145496
>>7145515
The russian were on the moon before the americans tho'.

>>7145575
This.

>>7145689
>implying

The collective paranoia of politicians can be infinitely more scary than you think it can't.

>>7146073
>shitposting
>you
Pick both.

>>7145479
The boomer generation was the most disgusting bunch of entitled, selfish shitstains that every walked on the earth.

Thank god they're finally dying, we just might be able to get back to work once we've fixed all their collosal fuckups.

>>7145587
That's the exact opposite of what actually happened since Gorbachev ended the war, but whatever.

>>7145499
That's a great idea, Mars would have a hard time proving it doesn't have any weapons.

>>7146208
Selfish, disgusting, shitstain here.
So, I voted and worked for a fairer, more egalitarian, more technical society where generally extreme warfare diminished and across the planet standards of living increased.

Your generation decided via a series of contrived financial crises to undo every fair and decent human value we created and impoverish half the global population while foncentrating their wealth in the top 1%.

Tell me what that makes YOU.

>>7146284
>Your generation decided via a series of contrived financial crises to undo every fair and decent human value we created and impoverish half the global population while foncentrating their wealth in the top 1%.
Good, idiots shouldn't have the power that comes with having money, if communism proved anything it's that we are absolutely not equal. If it wasn't for your generation sullying fascism we could've had an ideally balanced social system today.

>Tell me what that makes YOU.
Someone who can do everything you did, only better and without fucking up the environment.

>>7145662
Because its cheaper to only have ISS and a moonbase doesn't "help earth"

By the way, the moon's regolith is 5% water-ice and a moonbase could manage more self-sufficiency. The major disadvantage is the 14 day night.

>>7146169
fuck you fucking cunt fght me irl you silly cunt!

she's perfection in a form of a woman

>>7145944
oh, I think most people would be more than happy to pay for a Mars colony. We are already willing to pay for all sorts of idiotic schemes. The moon landing itself was wildly popular. We just haven't had the leadership who wanted to do it. Mostly because none of them were really interested in space, and also because space program is one of the easiest places to cut.

Here's my idea. Let's have 10-person Mars colony, and let's auction 5 of the seats to the highest bidder. I be you could generate 10-20 billion dollars this way, there are a lot of rich guys out there and wealthy organizations willing to send a guy. The other spots are for legit astronauts.