/sci/ - Science & Math

Same but chemeng.

Did you know that companies advertise work locations such as refineries / power plants as if it's a plus? LOL

>>7124791
Perhaps you would fair better in the liberal arts.

Then why are you studying it?

>jobs

Nobody gets a job anyway. Study what you fucking want.

>>7124804

>Nobody gets a job anyway
>Study what you fucking want

kek

Same with mechanical engineering kek

>>7124883
What don't you like about mech E?

>>7124854
It's true. 70% of graduates get a job outside their field.

>>7124804
>tfw legitimately enjoy industrial engineering
>tfw laughed at by other engineering fields

>>7124907
Engineering still give better job prospects than liberal arts. It's the difference between ending up as a walmart manager or in finance.

>>7124917
You need a lot more than an engineering degree to get a job in finance.

>>7124929
Not if you're selling mortgage-backed securities and know someone in finance who can recommend you.

I study comp sci and maths because I'm good at them, but I hate them. The results are nice though. Welcome to life.

>>7124785
Same, that why I switched to CSE + Physics.

EE was boring as fuck. Circuits are a bore and all the in depth courses are fucking monotony to the extreme with the only exception being control systems and DSP. I've always had my eye for software engineering and scientific computing. EE can definitely get you there if you self-teach yourself the concepts, but fuck what /sci/ says. Why go through a curriculum you couldn't give less than damn about only to self-teach yourself another right after finishing it?

Just do what you like, OP.

I want to study maths or engineering but in order to notetake and answer questions, you need to be able to handwrite in order to keep up and I have a learning disorder, Dysgraphia which impairs my handwriting.

>>7124916
You deserve it. HAH.

Sincerely,
A mechanical engineer

>tfw interested in genetic engineering
>tfw suck ass at physics and can barely scrape by with a C
>tfw ok at math, like B+ average
>tfw had to drop engineering
>tfw stuck in pure genetics major
>tfw gonna be working for monsanto
>tfw don't want to work for monsanto

Jobs are a means to make money.

It's what you want to do with money that you should be asking yourself.

If you don't have an ideology-based goal for what you will do with a 100 million+ dollars, just kill yourself now and save yourself the trouble, because you will never find happiness in anything else.

Figure out what your goal in life is, and then figure out the best way to get there.

If you need a lot of money to accomplish your goal, you should pick a high-paying profession. You can always start your own business after 5 or 10 years of saving up money.

>>7124785
>tfw studying computer engineering
>tfw I love the shit out of every field of engineering
>tfw I hate going to school

>>7125715

my goals in life is playing video games and going to the gym

>>7125715
>Figure out what your goal in life is,

In my experience, only very boring people have a "goal in life."

>>7125179
yeah i'm doing pre engineering and i have the same problem. It basically caps how well you can do. Try as i might i can't get my grade past 90% in any class

>>7124791
>refineries / power plants
Glorious and colossally epic structures that supplies all modern material and/or powers all of civilization, embodying mankind's greatest achievements?

Yes, if doesn't excite you, you don't belong in engineering.

>>7126230
Aw man, not OP, but that shit totally excites me.
My dad's a professor of Geochemistry, and he took me to the synchrotron facilities he was using on a couple occasions. It absolutely imprinted on me.

>tfw when studying chemistry.
>tfw when hating being stuck in chemistry.

>>7124929
how about a engineering/math double major. Financiers froth at the dick over math majors

>>7124907
no job <span class="math">\neq[/spoiler] job outside ones field

>>7124804
>Nobody gets a job anyway
lol engineers do

>study engineering
>hate engineering
>study math
>mfw fucking Fields medalist in our maths department

Luck is real, I swear.

>>7124785
I know that feel bro
studying something I didn't want to study

>tfw studying biochemistry
>tfw actually don't mind pipeting for 8 hours a day
Strangely relaxing.

>>7126108
have some cash working a shitty job saved up? Get some equipment and become a streamer on twitch. Stream games for 8 hours a day, make sure your schedule is consistent and if you get lucky in a month you'll have 100+ viewers/regulars.

>>7127599
which one do you fuck? no-homo, right?

>>7126279
Synchrotrons aren't like refineries or plants.
But you are right, I went to a summer school at the ESRF, and that was awesome.

>>7124929
>this is what morons in math and economics believe

I know many engineers that got into finance.
Get your shit together and accept your mistakes.

>>7124785
>love physics and astronomy
>studying mechanical engineering
>pretty bored by it.

Don't know what to do. I don't care for engineering all that much but in the end most people who get physics phds go into engineering,software dev, or even into financial fields so why bother?

>>7127786
>Synchrotrons aren't like refineries or plants.

It's a plant by definition...do you even know how things werk?

>>7124785
Same here, first semester electrical engineering and I'm considering just changing my major to informatics, because that is what interests me far more. Fuck transformators, fuck two-port networks, fuck everything. It's not even that hard (if you're not too lazy to do the homework, which I am), but it's just boring and I can't imagine working with LTSpice for 40 fucking years.

I'm currently doing an electrical engineering degree with an additional major of either physics or pure mathematics.
I've just been thinking over the past 4 months, why am I studying this shit when there aren't any jobs (I live in Australia), I have absolutely no passion for engineering and even physics and maths is only marginally interesting to me.
Should I just drop engineering and study computer science and continue with mathematics?
Do those majors go together?

>>7128425
Yes, computer science and mathematics go together. You have to be passionate about math if you want to succeed as a math major.

>>7127812
Astronomers always need ppl that construct them stuff. It's called an 'Instrumentalist' and is a integrate part of any bigger Institute that can afford to pay them.
I guess there are also positions that focus a bit more on physics/astronomy, but honestly idk, I don't go to their talks so much.

>>7124785
I just want to do robotics research and develop other cool electric devices. Computer science is nice so far but the engineering math is boring. Circuit analysis is also very tedious. I have no passion for the subject at all I am only after the results. I wonder if I can even make it like this. I wish I had a natural fascination for it.

Senior in high school
Love physics, still have that passion for it that I don't want to lose
Late nights with my textbooks, drawing up the equations and grinning like a fucking schoolgirl
Nothing makes me happier.
Tfw just accepted to the best Engineering Physics Program in the country
H-hold me /sci/
I just want to do physics forever and I don't want this feeling to go away.

>>7124791
>ewww this place is loud and grey and the floors are concrete :( and it's not even air conditioned! gross
You're a fucking pussy. Typical millennial, lel.

>>7128502
illinois?

>>7128425
I kinda feel this. Also in Australia, and I'm doing engineering because muh jobs. But now I'm realising by the time I graduate there probably won't be any jobs, and I'll be just as unemployed as I would be if I studied something I was more interested in.

How to get a passion for anything? Is it learnable? I am just studying because I have to but I don't enjoy it and find it a chore. But I like the idea of understanding the devices and programs we use every day and getting the skills to build my own. Like the idea of knowing mathematics well enough to figure out how to make something more efficient excites me yet studying mathematics is boring to me. Will I get to enjoy it once I know the basics and proceed to the advanced stuff?

>>7124901
too hands on

>>7128515
This is exactly how I feel.
I wish 4chan and my schools career councillor didn't instill 'muh STEM' into me and I majored in English literature instead. I mean, both are equally useless in terms of a career, so why not do the one I enjoy the most. Although, why can't I just learn in my own time without the stress and debt on university?

>>7124916
>tfw I literally lol'd after reading "industrial engineering"
It's not that I don't respect your field (I do); it's just it really doesn't seem to fit the title of "engineering" when compared to other engineering fields. It seems... out of place.

>>7128666
You can't fool me, Satan! Usually, you hear ME's complaining about the opposite, that it's not as hands-on as they were expecting. So many kids go into ME because they like to work on cars without realizing what the degree actually entails.

>tfw studying electrical engineering
>tfw I love school
>tfw I'm a junior, love what I study
>tfw love my friends
>tfw doing better than in high school, go out more, have sex maybe once or twice a week thanks to my new outgoing personality
>drink when I can, watched my university win the national championship in football this year (based tOSU)

>tfw I never want to graduate
>I'm fearful that this is my prime sometimes

Doing Electrical Engineering i just feel like my education would not be complete without
>graduate school

>>7128524
There are a lot different fields in mathematics, so you might find an area that you're interested in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areas_of_mathematics

The early math courses can feel like a chore to get through, since the emphasis is on computation. It does get a lot more interesting as you advance and focus more on abstraction and proofs.

>study physics
>learn how the universe works
>it's beautiful
>feel contentness

>>7127623
how's biochemistry?

need to choose between biochemistry and microbiology

>>7126119
>actually believing this

You must be a pathetic person with a weak as fuck character.

>>7128524
bump for this 'cause same problem here

>tfw nursing major trying to become a nurse practitioner
>tfw suddenly became super good at math out of nowhere after failing it for years

man I'm too deep into my major

>Junior in Electrical Engineering
>Hate the FUCK out of it

If you hate it, get the fuck out of it while you still can. Engineering is not something you do if you just want money.

>Studying Chemistry
>Absolute shit at anything math related
>Lectures bore me to tears

At least labs are fun are kind of okay.

>>7131220
>Studying Chemistry
>Absolute shit at anything without any math
>Lab bores me to tears

to each his own

>studying bio
>will likely be unemployed or at subway after graduation

at least i'm enjoying what i'm studying

>>7131186
Same here, I have an existential crisis every couple of days. I am about 38 hours from graduating so I should stick with it at least to have my name on a piece of paper. Never tried for an internship either.

>>7131186
but that's why they all do it

So what exactly do you hate about Electrical Engineering?

>>7124785
>study electrical engineering because muh jobs
>realize 2 years in that true passion is physics
>can still go to grad school in something like photonics and essentially do applied physics

Could have been worse.

>>7126230
of course it's fucking impressive, but do you have any idea what chemical and process engineers actually do on a day-to-day basis? it's not exactly riveting stuff.

>actually doing engineering to become an engineer

>>7131699

What STEM profession IS riveting stuff?

I mean, I could go to astrophysics and theoretically be all about them stars and shit but practically spend all day doing error analysis and number-crunching.

>tfw test about electromagnetic fields is coming up

life is suffering

>>7132206
Been there done that.

>>7131684
>tfw you will never get to play hl3

>tfw too dumb to understand circuit diagrams

>>7131186
What about petroeleum engineers?

BSEE here, graduated slightly over 3 years ago. I took a whole bunch of Power Systems classes (Power Circuit Analysis, Electrical Machines, Protection System Design, Electrical Wiring Design, Illumination System Design, and Power Electronics) that gave me an edge over everybody else.

Currently working as a Lead Electrical Engineer at a Nuclear Power Plant. My key advantage was that I knew more than more engineers who had 2-3 years experience as soon as I walked through the door and then I just kept getting better and made sure everyone took notice.

I always think of it as a competition and try to be better than everyone else. Granted, I'm one of the lucky few whose first job was in a field they like.

>>7125755
I know that feel school is annoying as hell but the concepts are interesting.

>graduate school for msee
>hate thesis on semiconductors
>love pulsed power (muh railguns) internship

writing is suffering

>>7133307
stfu nerd nobody asked you LOL

Mechanical Engineer.
The gears turn in my mind.
I only need to draw it out to make it become real.
Why wouldn't everyone want to do this.

>>7133362
>>7133362
>The gears turn in my mind.
>I only need to draw it out to make it become real.

iktf bro.

>>7127576
Sucking dick for cash is not only illegal in a large amount of places, but it also doesn't count as a job.

>>7124785
I know perfectly that feeling OP
Just switch already

>Not studying anything.
>Working a warehouse.
>Just want to be a geologist.
>It probably won't ever happen.

>>7133362

>>7130340
Define "super good at math"

>>7125659
>>tfw suck ass at physics and can barely scrape by with a C

Study harder!!!!

Get off your fat lazy ass and STUDY!!!

Stop trying to pass the class and concentrate on UNDERSTANDING the material... passing the class will be a side effect of truly understanding the material.

I use to teach intro to computing... I hated the STEMs who only wanted to pass the course... NEVER did ANY extra programming.. never played around and wrote a small game, ONLY did what was required to pass... the few that DID play with programming and wrote small fun programs LEARNED how to program and kicked ass

Stop trying to pass classes and instead UNDERSTAND the material

>>7126230
this

my school is small for undergrad, most of the funding is in graduate research for astrophysics and genetic engineering. as a result the closest thing to the girls of power generation and resource renewal is electrical engineering.

i really want to work in power management and clean power generation. there's something i find beautiful about a system which gives you something with minimal waste products.

also working in in the procuring of clean water would be awesome. helping some the future water crisis may turn out to be incredibly lucrative

>>7133362
because interactions across fields we can only detect and not see is like magic, and understanding those interactions makes me excited the same way grears do for you

>>7133369
>shitting on other fields
i love how this is a meme on /sci/ but there are a lot of arrogant douchebags out there who actually believe what they say

>>7134116
I just love shitting people, it is fun to insult eachother on a Mongolian cave painting forum.

>>7133431
>Not studying anything.

I think I found your problem

>>7134028
It's like I'm in a parallel universe /sci/

How do you motivate yourself?

For example when I see how mathematics or mechanics are applied I am fascinated by them. But then when I open a book I get bored and I get headaches trying to understand the confusing formula. I guess I am just a pop-sci pleb.

>>7124785


Is it just me or is this like most engineering students.

Because people in pure sciences are really passionate about their major's coursework.

CS at least enjoy the sort of problem solving involved.

The reason for going into engineering is either being pure science student that's afraid of not having employment opportunities. Or it's "durr I like tinkering", which may lend one toward engineering but it's still only like a tiny portion of what an engineer actually does.

>>7134689
I went to engineering because while I like math and computer science I wanted to be able to create something outside of the virtual world.

Was that a stupid reason?

>>7134689
this is only true to a certain extent. i study engineering partly for the first reason but partly because engineering allows for the kind of real-world applications that you don't really get to experience a lot in pure science. working in an industry you're really interested in (e.g. energy, aerospace, electronics, biomedical, food, etc) and applying sciences, math, and problem solving (all of which you are hopefully fond of) to something much more real than theoretical mental masturbation can be very rewarding for the right kind of person.
basically, your view is very black and white. i bet you haven't looked deeply into engineering as a profession, and are only judging it from an academic standpoint. i bet i (as a chemical engineer) am just as passionate about engineering new biomedical devices and pharmaceuticals that will hopefully improve healthcare in the near future as a cell biology PhD would be about studying cell processes that will increase our understanding of the human body and might be applied to something real sometime in the (further away) future.

>>7133362

Because not everyone wants to become a CAD-slave.

>>7134689
You're probably one of those science majors that see engineering majors as "sellouts". Meanwhile, they are taking half of your curriculum plus a lot of difficult engineering classes you'd probably shit your pants in, then developing the technology you're gonna be using in a couple of years while you're still in grad school getting your ass jizzed on by academia.

>>7134737
i use solidworks nigga. i get paid to basically play an advanced version of minecraft all day. my autism is very pleased.

>studying math
>love math

feels good : )

>Wanted to do engineering
>Doing my gen eds at a school that doesn't offer engineering
>Starting to doubt myself on doing engineering
>Kind of want to work with animals but Bio degree won't get me shit

I hate making decisions

>>7126230
refineries, power plants, factories, etc. give me a hardon but i fucking hate living in small towns.

i got into engineering for several reasons
for one, i thought evangelion was cool as shit as a kid, i mean the whole nerv thing where they store the robots, i always wanted to be a part of something like that.

another reason is because my sisters didn't think i could do it

another reason is because i like math and technical stuff

if i was to do anything else, it'd be drawing art, english teacher or some other gay shit but i know that doesn't pay as much as engineering can so fuck that

i can't think of other reasons right now

thanks for reading my blog post

>>7134764
Haha, I'm sure there are many people who went to study something because they saw an anime/read a novel that inspired them.
I chose biochemistry because I read Dune and fell in love with the Tleilaxu...

>>7134768
>Haha, I'm sure there are many people who went to study something because they saw an anime/read a novel that inspired them.

How does one keep ones motivation after one realizes that real life is nothing like that?

To you EEs here who hate their major, why? The idea of learning about electricity in depth fascinates me.

>>7134885
I've already learned everything I need to know about electrons and magnetic forces in my physics class. All the other stuff is basically boring as fuck and I don't see myself playing with SPICE for 40 fucking years trying to find the right network.
Fuck the pay, I'd only buy anime figures of lolis and some swords anyway, that's how much of a faggot I am, and this bullshit subject makes me hate myself even more.

>>7124785

SAME!

Also i fucking hate most of physics, but love mathematics and chemistry.

By the way op, and other indifferent EEs, what do you tell people when they ask "why electrical engineering? Why do you want to focus on (insert EE specialization here) for your bachelors?

Im curious

>>7134917
How? physics helps explain chemistry.

>>7124794
>fair better
fucking stems

>>7128828
Your university always comes up on google instead of my weab rhythm games.

Control and Instrumentation Engineering sounds like the most boring and mundane field of engineering available to study. But at least the money's good r-right?

what does it mean? i'm a csci major, idk wtf this is talking about

>>7134917
chemistry is one big short cut for physics

>>7136301
You have to show us the whole page.

Studying chemeng here and feeling like you, I don't care that much about industry processes and it seems like I'm only end up doing that shit.

>tfw studying Computer Science
>tfw I don't give a fuck about Computer Science
>tfw I HATE studying in general
>tfw only in for the shekels

I am studying EE too. I don't hate it, but it isnt my goal in life to become an engineer. I know i don't belong as an engineer, but it will give me a decent and somewhat interesting job. My goal in life is to become a writer, so i didn't actually needed to go to college or to get a career. I can read and write in my spare time and become really good independent of what i am studying or working with. Try to find a passion OP. College isnt everything and at least if you work hard you will have a financial security and money to explore the things you love. Find your true self.

>>7131765
Mechatronics
Biology/ecology

>>7136301
just see what the output is when the conditions on each line are the ones shown

>>7136726
doing CS too. I have a love/hate relationship with programming in general, but aside from very specific shit I do enjoy getting to know the inner workings of a computer and the whole logic that goes with it.

>>7136301
that's just a bunch of multiplexers. A and B are the bits that determine which of the four inputs 'move forward'. C determines which of the two inputs that moved forward from the first set of multiplexers move forward as an output.


Not a lot of thinking to do.

>studying EE
>all math right now is boring stuff like integrals and differentials
>interested in number theory but I simply have no brain ressources and time to spend on that

Sometimes I wish I was a NEET and could study whatever I desired as slow as I wanted without any exams or weekly task sheets to hurry me.

>tfw have bs in physics
>tfw no idea what to do with it

Which industry is better to get into? Aerospace or Biotechnology?

>art major -> CS because job
>don't give a fuck about CS
>start taking harder classes
>start to give a fuck about CS
>love CS
>life = CS
>never want to stop learning CS

My life literally was flip turned upside down, now what

>>7137081
if you don't mind being a DoD shill, aerospace.

>tfw studying EE
>shit at mechanics, barely passed mechanics class

>>7134028
He's right, what the fuck am I doing on this cancerous board? It's mostly full of pseudo-intellectuals from /pol/.

Later faggots.

>>7136949
Underrated post

>>7136709
Biomolecular engineering is a big aspect, and R&D is always an option. Engineering has the added benefit of not cramming you into one particular discipline. Unless your Civil or Industrial, then you're literally worthless outside of that job title.

I hate having to waste 3 hours of my day commuting to school from my house

I'm considering dropping out and studying Computer Science/Engineering on my own, wish me luck

>>7137459
no point getting BS in physics imo if no intention of doing graduate studies.

It is an awkward middle place where you dont have enough physics/math knowledge, and not enough engineering knowledge to get a job as engineer

>lost contact to all of my friends after studying EE for 2 years
I love it.

>>7137552
Just starting Bsci in physics. Scared I'm going to be flipping a lot of burgers to pay off dis loan.

Should I just switch to history now?

>>7137589
In that case you'll know that flipping burgers isn't so bad because you'll know how people lived in the middle ages, but you'll still be flipping burgers.

>>7137593
But I'll also know that the rich in the middle ages still had scores of gold and bitches n bling. And horses. Like, armies of horses, and people with weapons to ride them.

I wouldn't have an army of horses just a mcburger uniform.

>fascinating
>infrastructure
>high cash flow
civil master race reporting in.

>>7136949
iktf

Thinking about moving to japan/korea/china to teach english before I return home and just settle for highschool teacher.

Computer engineer here.

>realize I love telecommunications
>everything else that doesn't somehow correlate to telecommunications starts to seem like a drag
>as soon as I can make a correlation I find it much more interesting

Electromagnetics went from bad to rad.

Systems and controls has stayed bad. Might be because he's a shitty prof. It's intended only for EE and CMPE but he's acting like all of us have been studying mechanical systems. So glad I'm not mechanical after seeing some of the shit.

>>7127855
>transformators

german bro detected

>>7136825
>Biology
>Riveting and exciting

Fuck no. Not even close.

>>7133362
>>7134750
yes, yes YES FUCKING YES I DON'T CARE WHAT I HAVE TO CAD I JUST ENJOY AUTISM SHIET AND MECHANISM

>>7134888
>All the other stuff is basically boring as fuck and I don't see myself playing with SPICE for 40 fucking years trying to find the right network.

This, this so much.