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7089343 No.7089343 [Reply] [Original]

ITT we make arguments for opinions in science that we disagree with.

As an example topics might focus around global warming, vaccines or the big bang but are limited only to your imagination.

Hard Mode: You must spend as much time understanding the opposing opinions as you do arguing for it so you don't devalue there arguments to a caricature slogan.

>> No.7089345

string theory is a pile of wank

>> No.7089352

>>7089345
So you actually are a proponent of string theory?

>> No.7089368
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7089368

psychedelics are gate ways for the space man on a human mind to explore what nature has to offer in its pre encoded language and soul in this illusion we call reality science seems to limit its self by not looking to the thing that made it the brain its self and its veils... take DMT folks

>> No.7089370

>>7089343
I hate the standard model of particle physics.

>>7089345
You never studied string theory in your life.

>> No.7089372

>opinion
>science
Pick one

>> No.7089374

>>7089372
this

>> No.7089377
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>>7089372
the human imagination is always there if you want it

>> No.7089383

>>7089368
What's the smallest amount of DMT I can take to feel its effects?

>> No.7089389

There's no such thing as true love.

>> No.7089390

>>7089343
I would like to know how the Big Bang works in the most simplest terms possible. It's difficult to comprehend how something can appear out of nothing.

1. Before the universe, what was there?
2. How did a gas "explosion" happen and where did it come from?
3. And is the Big Bang still up for debate in the science community?

Anyone have a video or reading material about this?

>> No.7089394

>>7089372
>>7089374
But anon, the people who disagree with you are the ones with the baseless opinions.

>> No.7089395

>>7089390
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing

>> No.7089398

>>7089395
I've read part of that before. Any more recommendations to understand the Big Bang?

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>>7089383
take a toke and it hits you quick and take an other and the next... its not harmful unless you fear death by astonishment. to feel that you took too much of a psychedelic is to be exactly where you should be and keep your hands and feet inside the vehicle and get lost in what the natural chemical presents in this thing we call reality

>> No.7089410

>>7089390
>>7089398
Yeah, learn general relativity and then cosmology.

>> No.7089411

>>7089398
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3MWRvLndzs

>> No.7089426

>>7089368
>Take DMT and be just like this babbling retard who can't even write a coherent sentence.
No thanks.

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>>7089426
well its hard to explain the incomprehensible to science. continue roaming in your playpen of a reality.

>> No.7089445

>>7089426
but science is all about experimentation why not see for your self? eat a psilocybin mushroom. its been proven to improve vision in small doses and theorized to be what expanded the monkey mind so rapidly. many people find these nature given substances informative I invite you to lose that ego and illusion.

>> No.7089450

>>7089389
redefine it

>> No.7089453

>>7089389
I truly love you anon prove me wrong

>> No.7089471

>>7089445
>its been proven to improve vision in small doses and theorized to be what expanded the monkey mind so rapidly.
Wrong, Terrence McKenna was a pathological liar.

>> No.7089472

>>7089445
Why would I need to experiment on myself when the experiment has been done countless times and the consistent result appears to be that psychedelics turn you into a moron who constantly tells others to try psychedelics and "open your mind bro"?

>> No.7089473

>>7089471
well let us suffocate on this rock

>> No.7089479

>>7089445
Not him but I did and it was literally "feel a smug sense of self-satisfaction: the drug". It makes you think you know a lot more than you actually do, which becomes plainly obvious when you get sober and seemingly forget all of the totally awesome things you came up with. It's an illusion and nothing more. That so many people fall for it is concerning.

>> No.7089481

>>7089472
it cant be experienced by me telling you that is a symbol pointing to something grander than us. its self exploration its for the adventure

>> No.7089483

>>7089473
And taking drugs will somehow save you? kek, you acidheads are jokes.

>> No.7089485

>>7089481
Then I don't give a shit.

>> No.7089486

>>7089481
Look retard, drugs are not giving you access to a higher realm or whatever bullshit you believe. It's just throwing a wrench into your neural chemistry. You can make your computer screen make pretty colors if you fuck with it. That doesn't mean you are experiencing anything important.

>> No.7089488

>>7089472
well i can see how you would feel that way. if i went around with rockets and space suits I'm sure people would skip due to the short notice

>> No.7089489

>>7089343
The Big Bang didn't occur. Loop quantum gravity removes the initial singularity, and instead suggests a "Big Bounce", whereby a previous universe contracted, and then expanded again. This is not the cyclic universe that some pop-sci authors suggest; there is no reason to think that this has happened more than once.

>> No.7089490

>>7089488
Do you realize that you are not making sense and just proving my point further?

>> No.7089491

>>7089483
Did you misread the OP?

>> No.7089493

>>7089491
I didn't even read the OP, nor do I care to.

>> No.7089495

yup our planet is doomed and we are gonna have chips like dogs for the new holocaust of the consumer

>> No.7089497

Steve jobs took acid

>> No.7089502

>>7089486
see you've bought in the the false notion that these things are harmful thank you law makers and bankers

>> No.7089510

>>7089343

"Dis-info Agent"

Lying to others *proves* that your science is the best science; that you are far more "intelligent" than your opponent despite no other accomplishments; it is the penultimate way to prove facts over using established theories; it is always successful (if you disagree, just ":No!"); it will get you accolades of merit, and a girlfriend.

'Cause lies are the best argument...

>> No.7089511

>>7089502
I've bought into it from observing people like you. Thanks.

>> No.7089512

>>7089377
Einstein didn't say that, einstein.

>> No.7089518

why do so many refuse to expand science?
why label a living phenomena such as the psilocybin mushroom and let assumptions take place. these things come from the ground we came from cultures that work with the planet with fluidity have been brought up with these things and DMT is naturally in the brain when you dream... i don't hear science talking about dreams... the question "why?" comes to mind. I am attempting to lay down the topics that science finds taboo that is all

>> No.7089526

>>7089511
well sorry for making you read my keyboard mashings and for not communicating it with my best intent moving on gladly

>> No.7089528

>>7089395
Why is everyone so eager to believe the big bang came from nothing?
Sounds like ideology is getting in the way of science.

>> No.7089531

>>7089489
>muh infinite regression
This absolutely logically describes how the universe began.

>> No.7089532

my point is there are clearly unsolved mysteries in this world and lets not forget where we came from oh yeah we don't absolutely know we can only observe and many observations there are take mass consciousness effecting computer randomizers

>> No.7089534

>>7089518
Let me list the reasons
1. Psylocybin has already been studied
2. It's just not that interesting. What exactly do you want to know about a psychedelic. It makes you see weird things. Woopdeedoo
3. Cultures revering something or something being "natural" has nothing to do with science
4. There is plenty of science about dreams
5. You acidheads fuck everything up by saying stupid shit like "DMT makes you dream" and putting a stigma on it.

>> No.7089537

>>7089532
Punctuation would probably help people understand what you're saying. But even then it would probably still be gibberish. It's pretty sad that you can't even realize you've fucked your brain up.

>> No.7089538
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7089538

what do scientists think of indigenous cultures that knew detailed astrological facts prescientifically

>> No.7089539

>>7089538
shoulders of giants nigga. its all part of the giant tinfoil ball we've been collecting over the years.

>> No.7089540

>>7089534
hehe your the one who's butt hurt about how I'm saying stuff. its that the stuff you see on them is what must be looked into more its a language of the cosmos c:

>> No.7089541

>>7089538
Like what?

>inb4 bullshit from Terrence McKenna or one of his copycats that has been thoroughly debunked

>> No.7089545

>>7089540
hehe you have the intellect of a 5 year old. Way to show everyone how mushrooms have opened your mind "bro".

>> No.7089547

>>7089538

was only the european church that thought the world was flat and the centre of the universe, right?

>> No.7089548

>>7089534
science used to be called natural philosophy

>> No.7089551

>>7089545
i actually never taken mushrooms only acid and cannabis I'm knowingly testing his views in a science community. you could say i come from am art community

>> No.7089552

>>7089548
Add this to the pile of stoners' irrelevant statements in this thread

>> No.7089554

>>7089541
yes many great people have been doubted before why not play around and see where this could take us. I sure as hell don't think the answer is in technology

>> No.7089557

>>7089545
i miss being 5 :/ I didn't shake up the monkeys nest then

>> No.7089562

>>7089552
we'll all burn to dust and we'll all die alone is that better for you? thank you science for the poison mentalities... eh fuck this narrow vision i have it you have it but i know the gate way and you've blinded yourselves and for that i'll speak your language "bazinga"

>> No.7089567

Lel am I the only person that uses psychedelics and doesn't think they give you access to a supernatural realm or some stupid bullshit?

You can enjoy tripping and still recognize that being high is just the result of neurochemistry. Anyways if this supernatural realm exists, why do you need to use physical, natural objects (namely mushrooms) to access it?

>> No.7089569

>>7089545
this comes from a longing to escape the gloomy dead end and soulless view of modern science. of course i know I'm babbling these words cant make you feel they can only be what they are to you and what not etc eat more wanger

>> No.7089571

>>7089567
use more

>> No.7089572

>>7089554
That doesn't even answer the question. Try to pay attention. I know it's hard with your drug-addled brain but just try.

>>7089562
Who cares if it's better?

>> No.7089574

http://www.iflscience.com/brain/magic-mushroom-chemical-hyper-connects-brain
Psilocybin is awesome.
It may not send you to the 4th dimension or some other stupid shit, but it's definitely good brain food.

>> No.7089576

>>7089567
well because they have the potential to be a no nonsense approach to what all religions goal appears to be

>> No.7089577

>>7089571
Bro, I've used a lot of drugs in my life; probably more than most of these burnouts. Being religious isn't a side effect of using drugs, its a side effect of being retarded.

>> No.7089580

>>7089574
That article is shit and it doesn't even say psylocibin is "good brain food". If psylocibin was good brain food, presumably people who used it would be intelligent. But in fact the vast majority of them seem to be babbling retards.

>> No.7089582

>>7089576
Yes, they are a no-nonsense approach to making you dumb and gullible.

>> No.7089586

>>7089576
Lel wtf does that sentence even mean? You can't even into basic English.

>> No.7089590

>>7089572
no I'm is just a weirdo that has poor communication skills and is concerned for the future of the species I actually never worked a job i need one so i can buy drugs to make music to take drugs to. you see I come in peace from /x/ and /mu/ even now we are mixing around the social test that is being human and I'm under the impression that western culture is bogus and coming here all you saw of me is a mask

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>>7089590

>> No.7089598

>>7089577
i threw religion out i have faith in what ever there is to be after this life. I've had experiences that are very personal to me and I know which path to take i don't wish to change your point of views

>> No.7089599

>>7089580
>Good brain food means it has to make you smarter
Or, it could just decrease depression, that's considered good imo.
>Most people who do mushrooms are blithering idiots
That's a wonderful generalization coming from someone on a science board.
Maybe you should read about the subject rather than getting all your information from a retarded vocal minority from the community...are you from /pol/ by any chance?

>> No.7089601

>this retard giving psychedelic drugs a bad name

while they don't ''let you see the true answers of the universe maaannn'', they're pretty good (in moderate use) for introspection which can lead to emotional learning, familiarisation, better problem-solving, a more stable mood, etc.

>> No.7089610

well obviously this community has science covered i would gladly be an outsider i don't take any of it seriously you if not your children's children are in for something special bye bye for when our bodies are all dust well be back to what is and isn't and darkness as ignorance and light as wisdom outside the confines of time bye bye fellow god cells bye bye loves

>> No.7089631

>>7089610
You sound like a faggot

>> No.7089712

bleh

>> No.7089739

>>7089368
thanks for the fucking run-on you mong

>> No.7089753

>>7089534
>It's just not that interesting. What exactly do you want to know about a psychedelic. It makes you see weird things. Woopdeedoo

Ok, you are being overly reductive, fucko.

>implying Psylocybin and other psychedelics have not been successfully used in treating depression and fears about death in the terminally ill

It's not just a different way to listen to Steely Dan

>> No.7089761

>>7089538
just like
>>7089539
said

The Mayans were able to find out that the Earth had a 'wobble' before the Europeans got around to it. It's all because they were obsessed with charting celestial bodies and measuring time.

Imagine what we could do with over a thousand years of highly detailed astronomical observations. Of course a prescience culture figured some of this stuff out.

>> No.7089771

>>7089610
Holy shit stop trying to put your thoughts into words, it's not working out for you.

Did you notice all the weird dashes and squiggles on your keyboard? You have to put some of them in your sentences.

>> No.7089776

>>7089761
>The Mayans were able to find out that the Earth had a 'wobble' before the Europeans got around to it.
No they didn't. Prove it.

>> No.7089856

>>7089776
I don't have the research on hand.

But my professor with a Ph.D. in Mayan astronomy has researched it.

That's not proof, but I don't have the resources to show you.

>> No.7089863

>>7089856
>Ph.D in Mayan astronomy
My Ph.D in shitposting says you're lying

>> No.7090247

>>7089601
of course but what how about in an alchemical context fusing science with that in the flow of things

>> No.7090257

>>7089486
prove it nigger

>> No.7090259

>>7089486
what about the beings that inform you from the higher realms? ether way it informs when one seeks it in the mind realm

>> No.7090279

>>7090247
I don't even want to know what your babbling about.

>> No.7090282

>>7090259
They don't tell you things you don't already know. It's all just you.

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>>7089377

>> No.7090331

>>7089489
>implying this hard

>> No.7090493

>>7089489
Not Lorentz invariant, into the trash it goes.

>> No.7090497

>>7089538
>detailed astrological facts
>astrology
>fact
>please choose only one

>> No.7090498

>>7090493
It might be Lorentz invariant in some form - the problem that seems to plague all LQG is the massive entropy of empty space.
I was only doing what OP asked.

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>virus is not life

>> No.7090588

>>7089343
>IQ is a mathematical abstraction that cannot be reified, the fact that performance in one part of an IQ test is positively correlated to performance in another must be one of the most unsurprising findings in science. The resultant general intelligence component, or g, is simply a statistical artefact of the spearman correlation used to analyse the test and has no basis in fact.

>IQ is not hereditary . . .

>The most important influence in the personality development of children is the environment their parents provide/varaince in parenting style. High IQ parents provide books and stimulus, leading to high IQ children; aggressive parents set violent examples, and their children are typically more aggressive; neurotic parents damage their children so that they themselves show neurotic traits. Environment outside the home and genetics largely do not play a role

>String theory has gone for 20 years without a single testable prediction, and the number of different possible permutations of the calabi yau space essentially means we're never going to get one. Thus string theory is at best psuedo science, at worst a massive waste of time and money

>The evidence for run away anthropogenic global warming is unconvincing; a positive feedback effect where rising temperatures lead to increased concentrations of carbon dioxide, water vapour, methane and other green house gasses has never actually been demonstrated- thus rendering the vast majority of climate change predictions as baseless.


Wow, that was actually really really hard. I tried putting myself in the position of an creationist/evolution skeptic, but found I just couldn't do it.

>> No.7090975

Retinex model is a good representation of the early processing of the human visual system. It has all the necessary components and can be fine-tuned to explain simple stimulus perception.

>> No.7090988

OP is not a faggot, he's just a normal guy, for all we know he's a normal successful college student who just suffers from mild autism. He's just trying to make an entertaining thread that touches on science subjects, it's only due to his youth and poor education that he doesn't understand that repeating poorly-understood popsci ideas is different from actually discussing science. We shouldn't jump to conclusions about his intellect or character merely based on one terrible post, they might not be entirely true. In fact, not only is there some nonzero probability that OP is a heterosexual but we can't even rule out the possibility that he is a nonvirgin and has a girlfriend, at least in theory.

>> No.7091261

There's no reason to want to know if there are genetic trends in intelligence along racial/sex lines other than bigotry.

>> No.7091318

>>7089472
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing
hahahaha :)
because everything you have read is true.
if you want to eat - you have to eat for yourself.

>> No.7091328

Racism has no scientific basis.

>> No.7091437

HIV/AIDS is one of the most recent forms of Natural Selection in humans.

>> No.7091444

the plant give you your own reflection

>> No.7092564

>>7089370

Where's my SuSy, CERN?

You said there would be SuSy.

>> No.7092866

>>7089497
Freud loved cocaine, and Erdos loved amphetamines. Even Feynman went through an LSD and ketamine phase. Drug experimentation is fine when you're young because you can handle it.

>> No.7093080

/Thread
>>/pol/