/sci/ - Science & Math

No, if you give them weed they just become retarded slackers like all those other potheads.

Their brains are undeveloped so it could cause damage.
Additionally you shouldn't teach children to partake in addictive habits (inb4 weed isn't addictive, even psychologically)

>>7086292
>Their brains are undeveloped so it could cause damage.
[citation needed]

Obviously you'd have to be able to trust your child first, knowing that it understands what you say, so you give the right warning and precautions.

But after that, isn't the shift in perception under weed something you can learn from tremendously much?
Personally I use weed only very occasionally, but I can appreciate its upsides. I'd even go as far and say lighting up teaches you more than 12 years of education. It teaches you things about yourself and the world in a direct way.
I think weed has powerful potential in that regard, and another is heightened body awareness and calmness and muscular relaxation, it's good for maintaining a healthy body if you use it to stretch.

What if I made my 6 yo son consume THC in one or way another and he experiences at that young age all that good stuff. Maybe when he's 8 his mind is already elevated above 18yos, because it makes you see through things if you do it right.

Obviously you need the right subject, too. I'm talking about a boy who's highly intelligent and healthy.

I'm constantly thinking about ways to teach my future children so I'm curious. Only 22 so got some time left to gather more information.

>>7086308
You're going to make a great parent, anon.

Until child services takes your children away.

>>7086315
Because the subhumans working in child services really know better, right? Stop being so submissive to "authority" and assume responsibility.

Almost all large scale studies show that marijuana use starting in early teenage years or earlier correlate with lowered cognitive ability, even when taking other factors into account.
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.full
http://666.biologija.org/Popeetal2003.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3037578/

>>7086319
No, you the 4channer pothead that developed an app is the authority.

>assume responsibility
>druging your child is now a responsibility

>>7086321
But there are studies that suggest (in adults) weed actually increases cognitive ability

I'm not sure if at this point those studies can be trusted, weed is still illegal in most countries and I assume most of these studies are skewed propaganda

>>7086325
I'm not a pothead, I study physics and math, do 15 hours of sports a week and something between 15-30 hours of meditation a week

So yes, naturally I assume myself to be superior to the retards who usually make decisions

>>7086308
>I'd even go as far and say lighting up teaches you more than 12 years of education.
For a while in my teens I regularly smoked weed. I say you are full of shit. I mean, sure, weed is fun and interesting for a while, but don't be ridiculous, it's just a drug, it's not really teaching you anything. You mostly laugh and eat and can't concentrate on anything if you have positive thoughts and feel like shit if you have negative ones. It's not magic.

>>7086326
I just gave you a reason. You can still make whatever stupid decision you want I don't care.

>>7086326
>But there are studies that suggest (in adults) weed actually increases cognitive ability
>mfw

>what is selection bias

Yes, when giving weed to a VERY select group of people with a certain pre-diagnosed condition(s) or meeting other criteria, THC has been shown to help them function at a higher capacity.

That does not mean everyone, or even a small percentage of adults will benefit from smoking weed.

TLDR; You're a fucking idiot

>>7086328
>something between 15-30 hours of meditation a week
Holy shit.
That's hilarious.
You may as well be a pothead because that's exactly what they do, they just do it high.
That's why they're so retarded, they let their brain waste away while they do nothing except watch the paint dry

>>7086331
Still more than the 12 years of education, what do people actually need in real life? Do simple calculations when they buy shit and a grasp of their own language plus preferrably another one, but you can learn that without going to school easily

But anyway, this is getting off topic so w/e
Ofc, it also does depend on what you do when you're high. Try to turn off all your electronic devices and just chill and spend time with your own mind, just be in the now and look, listen and observe

>>7086334
Only rarely do I meditate when I'm high
I smoke weed about once a week

>>7086333
>That does not mean everyone, or even a small percentage of adults will benefit from smoking weed.
So people do something without gaining any form of benefit from it? You're the idiot, the heightened state is the benefit

The more time you spend in a certain state the more this state manifests in yourself

>>7086334
I don't meditate, but I think meditating could be valuable. I recently started allowing myself times to just sit down and calm down, not thinking about anything too hard. It really helps my concentration when I get back to working again and probably keeps me from burning out.

>>7086340
>So people do something without gaining any form of benefit from it?
Feels good man. Same with alcohol, heroine, tobacco and 4chan.

>>7086343
Feeling good is not a benefit?

Am I on /sci/ or am I on /b/?

>>7086344
Yeah sure, might as well give your kid heroine then if that's all the motivation needed.

>>7086334
I'd really reccomend meditating some time.
Try it, really try it. Assume it works and try it.

>>7086340
>So people do something without gaining any form of benefit from it? You're the idiot, the heightened state is the benefit

>the heightened state is the benefit
>the heightened state is the benefit
>the heightened state is the benefit
>the heightened state is the benefit


. . . . .

>actually believes being high on THC places you in a heightened state
>mfw

Maybe you're so intellectually underdeveloped that being high is the only way for you to access the more creative regions of your brain, but for me and most other people it isn't so.

Takes me back to my original point of selection bias.

Weed is neurological poison.

>>7086345
First you make a fallacy, I respond with the sole purpose of letting you know, then it takes you two responses to actually "understand" what I'm trying to tell you and then you make another fallacy again

I'm done here

>>7086347
Nice ad hominem
Weed arose naturally, so naturally it is in the Tao. Neither extreme is preferrable. Consciously ignore something that is outside of you and you simultaneously ignore a part of yourself.

>>7086340
Education is not merely about learning about getting through everyday life. I'll probably never need chemistry in my life, that doesn't mean knowing the basics doesn't enrich me as a person. Also, a lot of stuff actually is useful. History, geography, philosophy, all that pops up in every day conversations all the time. School gives you a framework for exploring those themes, or at least it should. I read some philosophy by myself, but only the discussions in my philosophy class really got me into it. Having other people around to talk to and an hour or so dedicated to a topic can really help enriching ones relation with the subject matter.

>Try to turn off all your electronic devices and just chill and spend time with your own mind, just be in the now and look, listen and observe
Yeah, I used to do that, but it just got boring for me. I can't do math while high, which is what I otherwise do (or should do) all day, so it just feels like wasted time. Of course time for relaxation is important, but these days I vastly prefer doing so with a clean head, since weed really makes me feel stupid.

>>7086290
No, it will make them retarded.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbradberry/2015/02/10/new-study-shows-smoking-pot-permanently-lowers-iq/

There is also no upside to it beside the "heightened sense" bullshit that retarded potheads think they achieve when they smoke a bong.

>>7086344
1. As >>7086321 pointed out, it might cause future difficulties on your kid.

2. A 6yo kid is immature and impressionable. He would easily believe and acceptin anything you tell him.

>Am I on /sci/ or am I on /b/?
You are the one trying to drug a kid.

>>7086340
>The more time you spend in a certain state the more this state manifests in yourself
Kill yourself

>>7086348
Seeing as you're such an 'expert' on debate techniques and logical fallacies, surely you are well aware of the fact that just because an argument is fallacious in nature, it does not by definition make the central point, or the argument as a whole, invalid. . .

Hands up! You're all posting in a troll thread! HA

>>7086290
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=cannabis

now form your own opinion

may want to also check out erowid for first-hand accounts and other info which may or may not be more or equally biased.

>>7086290
Damn it OP you've got me bothered. Why did you start this thread if you've got your mind made up? The "s" in "/sci/" does not stand for "sycophants"; people are very vocal about their disagreement here (as they are on the rest of 4chan). Let's review your posts and see what's wrong with you.
>>7086308
>[citation needed]
Are you saying that you don't think children have underdeveloped brains or that pot can damage an underdeveloped brain? These are both pretty obvious.
>Obviously you'd have to able to...
The child is 6 years old. Let me stress that for you. SIX FUCKING YEARS OLD. By the same token you could say that having sex with children is okay. Your reasoning here is not sound.
>But after that, isn't the shift in perception under weed...
You've entered non-scientific territory here. Your experiences are particular to you it seems, considering the other posts in the thread and that my own experiences disagree with yours.
>...lighting up teaches you more than 12 years of education...
Something different? Sure. Something more than 12 years of education? You've either damaged your brain in such a way that you've become a savant or your education was nonexistent. Considering how social we are as a species, I'm certain that 12 years of learning, teaching, and interacting (all part of the education process) is more valuable than "lighting up".
The rest of this post is unscientific garbage. You begin with a [citation needed] and then proceed to deliver reasoning based purely on your own experience. That is borderline hypocrisy.

>>7086290

>temporary neurosynaptic damage leading to a cascading effect in developmental learning systems

>brain damage due to hypooxygenation

>psychological and physiological addiction

>vaporizing does no damage to the lungs, top kek.

I think you should let your kids smoke pot so that your genes get removed from the pool.

>>7086319

authority in a democracy is a consensus of the society

if you are a threat to that society you will be subjected to that authority to remove you from that society or rectify your behavior.

if you disagree with them then yes, they do in fact know better, in relation to what is considered best for the state. If you do not want to be subject to their authority terminate your social contract, resign your citizenship, and leave the state permanently.

>>7086397
i like you :)

>>7086319
This post is in no way a response to its quoted post. That anon was not clearly not taking a stance on child protective services, but you responded as if he was. You will face great difficulty convincing others that you are of a heightened state of mind (whatever the hell that means) if you cannot read correctly. The "subhumans working in child services" may or may not know better, but the fact of the matter is that they're going to come and take your child.
>Stop being so submissive to "authority" and assume responsibility
The government is an authority, no quotes, the anon was not being submissive, and responsibility are you talking about?

>>7086326
>But there are studies in adults...
Aren't we only interested in the effects of Mary Jane on kids here? Why even bother taking the argument to a place it needn't be? As for the veracity of these studies, well, I suppose that may be up for debate. >>7086333 has given you a very good reason to doubt the studies claiming benefits, at least.

>>7086328
>I assume myself to be superior...
That is an awful folly, and I am embarrassed for you for your saying that.

>>7086340
>Still more than...
>Only rarely do I meditate when I'm high...
Do you read the posts before you respond to them? I am not convinced that you do.
>So people do something without gaining any form of benefit from it?...The heightened state is the benefit...
This is ignorance incarnate. I think the responses to this post adequately deal with your terrible reasoning, though you seem to dismiss them.

>>7086340
>So people do something without gaining any form of benefit from it? You're the idiot, the heightened state is the benefit
>The more time you spend in a certain state the more this state manifests in yourself

pretty sure this person was having a hightened experience too until it "manifested in herself" http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a83_1381737489

wow, visiting from /biz/, you fucks are really uppity. No wonder you virgins can't get laid nor earn an income above 6 figures.

>>7086290

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23386598

10-20% of cannabis users become dependent on the drug.

>>7086402

>has 7 figure income
>posts on 4chins

ya buddy i believe u

>>7086408
Maybe he lives 4chans dream and moved to Japan.

>>7086344
>Feeling good is not a benefit?
Here we go with inability to read, again. He agreed with you, but then stressed that "feel good" does not necessarily mean "body good" or even "long-term feel good".
>Am I on /sci/ or am I on /b/?
If you could learn to read you might know.

>>7086348
>First you make a fallacy,
He gave you a direct counterexample to your line of reasoning.
>I respond with the sole purpose of letting you know
I think you responded to some higher-plane existence of the post, but definitely not the actual post.
>The you make another fallacy again
He gave you a direct counterexample, again, although at this point he deserves the shame for replying to you at all.
>Nice ad hominem
Yes, that is an ad hominem! What of it? See >>7086353.
>Weed arose naturally, so naturally it is in the Tao.
What are you doing on /sci/?

>taking drugs other than psychedelics
Enjoy your lowered IQ faggots

Kids are under enough pressure without giving them psychoses to deal with.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/289555.php

>>7086411
>I think you responded to some higher-plane existence of the post, but definitely not the actual post.

leld

i think the OP might be a troll.

>>7086308

wait until the kid isn't fucking SIX YEARS old and can make the decision to take mind altering substances on their own accord you crazy fucking bastard

>Long term exposure to cannabis poses a risk of irreversible cognitive impairment in children and pre-pubescent adolescents; other than for the very highest of doses, no similar risk has been established for adults.

>

Although cannabis alone is not believed to cause psychosis, it may be a contributory factor, particularly when combined with an existing susceptibility. Higher levels and frequencies of use, and exposure from an early age carry the highest risk of developing or exacerbating psychiatric disorders.

>A 2013 literature review said that exposure to marijuana was "associated with diseases of the liver (particularly with co-existing hepatitis C), lungs, heart, and vasculature". The authors cautioned that "evidence is needed, and further research should be considered, to prove causal associations of marijuana with many physical health conditions".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_cannabis

Giving marijuana to a kid is a risky thing that no responsible parent would do. At least wait until they are adults.

>>7086290
>Are there any reasons not to give weed to a say 6 year old boy?

There are many good reasons.

First of all, an average 6 year old child will barely be above the age where they've realized that other people might have perceptions of reality that differs from theirs. They also have very limited life experience. I think it is foolhardy to expect such a young child to be able to handle ingestion of THC in any meaningful way. Whereas a person in their late teens might actually learn something from ingesting THC, I highly doubt this is the case for most if not all 6 year olds.

Furthermore, ingestion of THC either at a young age or prenatally is correlated with several mental disorders, e.g. ADD, ADHD, tics, etc. Even a 6 year old can find plenty of sources on this.

Lastly, your brain's plasticity is greater the younger you are, and THC increases brain plasticity. Therefore, THC will mess with the natural development of a child's brain. It is reasonable to assume that this effect will be harmful as opposed to helpful.

I smoke occasionally, by the way. But I would never recommend ingesting THC to anybody under 25, and the only reason I would recommend it to anybody over 25 is if they want to have fun. While I agree to some extent that ingesting THC might give you new insights, I think people overstate this effect, and the only reason you don't have these insights in a sober state is that THC makes you (me) wonder about all kinds of stuff, whereas when you're sober you don't sit around and think about what most people would call "stupid shit".

>>7086326
>in adults
But you aren't talking about giving it to adults!

>>7086354
Coffee Annan, please.

you're a fucking idiot
kill yourself
>muh harmless natural plant

>>7086308
I first I thought you were curious, now I can see your trolling.

>>7086290
It helps autism, does you kid have autism?

>>7086290
cowabunga pass the J dude

>>7086290
this thread makes me sad. how many fucking retards are out there who abuse their vulnerable kids this way?

>>7086658
don't be closed minded, mang! I let them meditate as well. It's pretty much as good as 12 years of education, so I save on school costs as well!

>>7086290
It fucks up mental development leading to a lower IQ.

>Are there any reasons not to give weed to a say 6 year old boy?
>45 posts and 4 image replies omitted.

>>7086681
+1 :^)