/sci/ - Science & Math

>>7078536
Girls do better in school on average. That's one hypothesis.

But your question will never be properly discussed because this thread is going to be 200 replies of complaining that women are ruining science by being stupid whores who crave attention or some BS.

Numerous factors, men are encouraged to find a job asap, intellectuality is still viewed as less masculine than handywork bla bla bla

What kind of question is that to ask /sci/ of all things? We hate gender studies, remember?

Men can go to work real jobs making lots of money right out of school, so it makes sense for them to opt for that.

Things like labour and running equipment. Women are entirely capable but usually not willing.

>>7078542
>intellectuality is still viewed as less masculine
I don't think so m8.

>>7078547
well, it is
ask someone to draw a STEM major and a construction worker

>>7078547
>I don't think so m8.
Uhhh, yeah it kind of is. The image people associate with STEM is a neckbeard.

>>7078550
Maybe it's more of an american meme.
We don't see engineers and doctors as nerds.
Well, maybe electrical engineers, but you get the point.

no early career decision + personal interest in some subject

>>7078539
This might sound like boasting, but I always felt school was so easy I never had to study at all. I never even developed any study skills or thought I would ever have to study. I was so conditioned to the idea of not studying that when something remotely challenging that required one iota of studying FINALLY came about in high school, I did not do so well as I did before. It's not like I couldn't have just studied a little and figured it out easily, but I didn't even know I was SUPPOSED to. The concept of putting effort into school eluded me for a very long time. I am now 25 and re-entering education with a different mindset. Perhaps this is one contributing factor to the lack of success of males.

p.s. I'm posting on /sci/ so I am obviously a male.

>>7078536
1. men have plenty of opportunities that do not require a 2-4 year degree (physical labor)
2. women are more content to do busy work, less addled by testosterone and ADHD, etc.

>>7078561
That's pretty anecdotal, but sure I guess some people who perform worse in school do so because of that reason.

Either way on average girls perform better in school. Interpret it how you want, it's just a fact.

>>7078579
Well.. yeah.

My girlfriend and I often study together. She'll spend 3 hours diligently reading and making color-coded flash cards. I'll spend the first 30 minutes masturbating, listen to some music while I down some coffee for 20 minutes, spend another 30 minutes masturbating, spend 40 minutes browsing 4chan, and then give my homework a solid half hour before turning to her and asking if she'd like to have sex.

>>7078578
physical labor is hardly an opportunity

>>7078590

Maybe not for you, fatso.

>>7078590
It's a job, so yes it is.

>>7078561
Femanon here. I have the same exact problem.
I'm still learning how to study
>>7078578
I also have ADD. But I'm doing really well in school now, president of senior beta
yea still don't have those study habits down

>>7078561
young males don't want to sit still and read books. they want to run around and do shit with their hands and have adventures. a big reason why guys don't do so hot in college is because they go before they are ready.

its hard to study when your priorities are getting laid and having fun. when you get a bit older, chilling out and just reading books gets more appealing.

>>7078561
same here

i coasted all the way through grade school and high school, never studying a day in my life, never reading any of the assigned texts, always making it out with straight A's somehow

then college came around and I almost flunked out, my study skills and attention span were so terrible (nearly non-existent).

i've always suspected that i have ADD or something, and might be some kind of a savant, but my GP won't budge on looking into this.

>>7078590
Laboring is actually pretty chill; masonry, landscaping, glass-blowing, power washing, painting, roofing, carpentry, and digging.

You just work, think about things, and listen for directions. If you're a craftsman, you are your own boss.

I honestly find more anxiety comes from the expectation of workings, and not work in itself.

In most western countries girls get better grades on average than boys. Now you can say it's because they mature faster, have less of a stigma attached to being obedient and doing your studies, and so on. But it's pretty natural that this leads to more women continuing on with their studies.

>>7078536
Well just based on these stats they're smarter obviously

>>7078536
IQ distribution by gender.
Men and women have the same IQ on average, but women have a lower standard deviation.
This means the most unusually stupid people are disproportionally male.
It also means the most unusually intelligent people are also disproportionally male, but the standards for college admission aren't particularly elite.

>>7078912
>Men and women have the same IQ on average, but women have a lower standard deviation.
>This means the most unusually stupid people are disproportionally male.
This is a myth. Men actually have a slightly higher average IQ, pulled up by the much higher number of male geniuses.

Furthermore, reaching equal average IQs between the sexes is a design goal for IQ tests (the original purpose of IQ testing was to track childhood development, primarily to identify children who are developing slowly, hence the term "mentally retarded", and may need medical attention, improved nutrition, or other help; for such purposes, it's far more convenient to have a single test for both sexes), which has been difficult to meet. The average man is known to have considerably better spacial reasoning skills than the average woman, for instance, so spacial reasoning has to be de-emphasized in calculating IQ scores.

The difference in mental performance between men and women is actually quite comparable to the difference in physical performance. If you tried to develop a "Fitness Quotient" which produced the same average scores for men and for women, it would suffer from similar problems of dubious usefulness.

>>7078953
Is there even time to do something about a child's fucked up brain if you've reached the point where you can measure problems with a test? And if those problems are from being poor, then they surely won't even get tested in the first place.

I don't see why they don't just segregate it. Worrying about women looking inferior to men is like worrying about a Prius looking inferior to a Hummer.

Muricafag here. There's a few reasons as to why the school ratios favor girls to guys, and they're mainly social in nature. Now this is not meant to sound like /pol/ or /r9k/ kind of whining rant, though it may come off this way.

Blatantly put, girls are given more opportunities and support to continue their educations. Gender limited scholarships and societies favoring girls have a significant prevelance for both incoming and continuing undergraduates which combine with the non-gendered groups and monetary opportunities, essentially giving more support and access to girls than to guys. Furthering this discrepancy is many schools' focus on diversity in enrollment mean that as a "minority" group, girls have an advantage I'm getting admitted to schools of their choice. On the other hand, many career aspired girls tend to go into fields that require a degree (e.g. a higher number of girls when compared to guys in the field of nursing which requires a 4 year program)

Like I said, I'm not intending to condemn these practices (I'm a disabled student myself, and after various slip ups during my undergrad career, I have used the system to my advantage a bit), I'm just pointing them out

>>7079238
*girls have an advantage in getting admitted
Sorry. On phone

>>7078550
unmasculine =/= female

>>7078639
good news, I am an expert at telling whether or not people on the internet are savants, you're clear.

There are more good jobs (pay enough) for men who don't go to college than there are for women who don't.

Women don't have to compete with men, who are still smarter and more capable.

Primary school is more tailored for the female brain, taught by women, etc...

>>7078536
>more women in college
More than what?

>>7079242
>On phone
get a real computer, faget

>>7078536
we are a generation raised by women, what do you expect?

>>7079337
I'm in a hospital that has shit wifi. My laptop can't access it, so I'm stuck on my phone

>>7079397
Why do you think you need to justify you being on a phone? It's fucking 2015, phones are awesome, fuck him for saying get on a real computer he's an idiot

>>7079400
I know he's an idiot. I just wanted to bring up the hospital bit to counter him being an asshole. It's petty and immature, but fuck it

>>7078536
One thing to remember OP is that that's only been ture in the last 30 years and even then only in industrialise fairly rich western countries.

In most parts of the world most women would be lucky to finish high school.

>>7079400
> phone using pleb detected

>>7078536
Men are idiots, basically.

>>7079400
>phones are awesome
phones are retarded, use crippleware O/S, Lrn2computer, faget

This guy >>7078912 has answered. Females are almost all the same, so just about all of them can go to college. The higher variation in men leads to dudes laying brick their whole life and also to reality-altering geniuses such as Jacob Barnett

>>7079397
>I'm stuck on my phone
unstick yourself and get to work, faget

>>7078536
Men have become lazy slobs who just play vidya and post on 4chan, while picking the easiest path in life.

Women became career-orientated and ambitious and they're very encouraged to do that.

How this happened, I don't know

>>7078634

Anecdote here: my first three semesters of uni were fucked by this. I entered too early and got fucked by my social life. My first two semesters were atrocious. I got a 2.0 on the freshman studies course. Literally the "show up please" class

Fuck, I'm still trying to recover from that.

>>7079330

>Primary school is more tailored for the female brain, taught by women, etc...

It is indeed. I've got two little girls in grade school, and it's great for them. But I actually feel sorry for the boys in their school. The entire school atmosphere is girl-centric. There is a tremendous over-emphasis on good behavior and non-competitive cooperation and play. There is actually a "behavior board" at the front of the class, where everybody's name is listed and a marker is set, from gold star at the top to red stop sign at the bottom. My daughter and other girls knock themselves out trying to get that gold star, several boys are regularly humiliated with demerits. I question if this is even legal. Imagine a board where they post math grades at the front of the class.

Areas of study that girls (sterotypically!) tend to like more than boys are emphasized. Fiction reading and creative writing are front and center, while non-fiction, science, and math are given very short shrift. My daughter is very good at math, but it has been very difficult getting her instruction at her level at school. The math bar is set very low so everyone stays together.

And I think there are only 2 male teachers in the whole school.

>>7078536
>Is it because you need to have a certain level of intelligence to finish a technical degree

The whole "women don't go into technical degrees because they're stupid" meme is dumb- it's entirely cultural factors keeping women out of CS and engineering, which account for the vast majority of STEM degrees by volume. Math degrees have been at gender parity since the 1960's, and science since the 90's, and I guarantee that if somebody has the chops to get a BS in math or physics, then they're not going to struggle with a CS or civil engineering degree. The thing keeping women from those degrees is that they have to constantly interact with creepy fedora'd neckbeards every day for four years, and nobody in their right mind wants that. You can actually see this effect in real time- CS degrees peaked at something like 40% female in the 80's before falling by half because of the neckbeards moving in during and after the tech bubble.

>>7079696
>>7079722
... and at my daughters' school there are books and presentations of the "girls can do anything!" variety, without something similar for boys. It gives me an uneasy feeling which would perhaps be anger if I had boys instead of girls.

>>7079727
Its biological white knight faggot

I am not saying all girls are dumb and cant into science.

Its just the REALITY is MOST are not interested in it or capable of it.

Why are most geniuses male?

Male are less sociable than women thus a genius will have less distracts.

Its no coincidence Autism is far more common in men.

Now, not all autists are geniuses and not all geniuses are autists but some of the greatests mind in history have been male and would of fit on the expanded autism spectrum.


Face it MAN not MEN has more potential than WOMAN.

It's nature accept it.

>>7079808

Not that anon but while I agree with you to an extent it also must be said that men were allowed more freedom and time to themselves and their work/careers than women were, especially in the past.

2/3 of Canadian university students are female yet there are still women only scholarships.

As a recent undergrad with a B.Sc. in Bioc. there were more women professors than I had expected. My best grades came from male professors which were in the 80% range while I had female profs fail me. The teaching styles between the sexes differed vastly in my experience. The men would teach concepts and present an unseen situation on an exam and expect you to draw from the concepts and math to find a solution whereas the women seemed much more keen on memorization and simply regurgitating the slides from class onto the exams.

I did have a couple really good female profs, (instrumental chemical analysis was awesome and taught by a woman), but the worst profs in my experience were also female while my favourite were male.

>>7079917
>My best grades came from male professors which were in the 80% range while I had female profs fail me.
clearly this is a result of their gender and by proxy their incompetence and you had nothing to do with it

Men are too hyper to focus in class.

This whole education system of sitting in class for 8 hours and going home to sit in front of your desk again to study more and not move an inch is contra productive for male's.

Men ( in general ) need to move more.
We used to hunt and wrestle with bears, not made to sit still and study. Im not bullshitting
-Bio student here.

>>7079730
Because the potential for male success is already assumed in the us, look at almost any fortune 500 CEO or president etc.

>>7079841
And historical access to greater education, as women were simply expected to be housewives

>>7079924
Possible but unlikely.
I failed because I underestimated the course. Basically I was so over worked I had to sacrifice a course in order to succeed in the others. I choose to neglect what I perceived as the easiest, microbio, since it was mostly just memorization.

>>7078536
Simple answer is that most admission boards accept a 50:50 ratio, men drop out more often when they fuck up to start working, while girls will still receive financial support from their families both in conservative and liberal families.

>>7078539
There is literally no difference between 70% and 71%, it's virtually the same, of course it's not going to be the same to one significant figure. There are also more boys who play sports and skimp academics until college.

>>7079953
>There's literally no difference between 70% and 71%
>Literally no difference between 70 and 71
>_LITERALLY_

>>7078539
>women are ruining science by being stupid whores who crave attention or some BS.
I mean not all women, but when you have girls who take pictures of themselves in lab coats with high heels you start to wonder why they were allowed in graduate school.

And then there's that Dutch chemistry literal slut who stripped and took pornographic pictures of herself in her lab, why the fuck was she allowed into gradschool? She obviously got in through one of the "muh womyn in science" routes. I would post the full set, but I've been banned for NSFW too many times.

>>7079957
>I would post the full set, but I've been banned for NSFW too many times.
You could always post it in /s/, you know.

>>7079955
It's called hyperbole, I was trying to convey the importance of sig figs.

>>7079959
>>>/s/15749150

Enjoy.

>>7079924
Not him but I can say I've seen similar things, especially in high-school and below with non-quantitative subjects.

I remember that I had one English teacher who would rarely, if ever, give a male student an 85%+ for an essay, but nearly half the girls would easily get those marks, even with writing quality and thesis strength inferior to the most coherent and well-read male in the class.

I'm sorry but if you have never experienced this, it's probably the case that: you don't live in the Anglosphere, you're extremely lucky, you're naive or you're being willfully blind. Educational bias against boys, especially in primary and secondary school, is very real and it's an extremely plausible explanation for the gender disparity in university.

>>7079957
>>7079967
thank you very much sir, ive fapped to her in her underwear before but never had full exposure

Women bring greater diversity of thought than men. Men only really even match women in fields where they just remember facts and then use the natural patriarchy in the system to get ahead. In fields where you actually have to think, like the arts, men are completely useless and even patriarchal support doesn't help them.

>>7079974
Have you considered that their work had qualities you couldn't perceive which was also the reason why you were failing? You sound like the usual bitter misogynist.

>>7079978
Art + Feminism

>>7079978
>In fields where you actually have to think, like the arts, men are completely useless and even patriarchal support doesn't help them.
Then why are most famous artists throughout history men? Why are creative professions like engineering dominated by men?

>>7078542
>intellectuality is still viewed as less masculine
What the fuck do you mean "still", it BECAME that way in the 21st century while the reverse used to be true. (monotonous jobs are for women)

>>7079988
Patriarchy. Women were denied education, now you're crying about being beaten fair and square.

>>7079995
>Patriarchy. Women were denied education
They aren't know, society unambiguously favours women in terms of both psychological support and scholarships and they still fail more often and drop out of engineer at higher rates.

Next feel good delusion please.

>>7079981
not necessarily true, I had a high school teacher admit to me that she graded mine harsher because she expected a higher quality paper from me. I barely did any work and when I did, it shined out the bimbos who sat next to me. I looked at the paper of the chick with the highest grade; she wrote only a two page essay on some trip to Disney world with the word "like" in every single sentence.

>>7079808

>Women perform as well as men in a harder field
>Women used to perform as well as men in the same field years ago (when it was harder)
>They now no longer participate in this field, despite the fact that it is now easier and larger than it ever was, because it underwent a massive cultural shift making it activley hostile to women
>>Ergo, women are stupider than men

Christ, the >muh biotroof brigade is retarded.

>>7079981
Why do you assume I failed? You're quick to jump to "Dunning-Kruger! Dunning-Kruger!", but I was actually in a different class and received a higher grade than anyone in either of them. I only bring the anecdote up because several of my friends in the other class were just as literate as I was, but received lower marks than girls whose writing consisted of some of the most uninspired and insipid critical analysis I've ever read.

>xD le bitter misogyny meme
Typical. Mangina can't argue rationally so resorts to puerile shaming tactics due to his estrogen-poisoned brain.

>>7079727
You are wrong on every point.
>it's entirely cultural factors keeping women out of CS and engineering
No it's not, the enrollment rate for women in CS+engineering is LARGER than for men.

>which account for the vast majority of STEM degrees by volume.
Again, wrong, way wrong, see pic.

> and I guarantee that if somebody has the chops to get a BS in math or physics, then they're not going to struggle with a CS or civil engineering degree.
Wow, nice /sci/ meme, the fact is both the requirements and dropout rates for engineering is much higher than math or physics. The reason physicists on /sci/ look down on engineering is because at top schools AND ONLY AT TOP SCHOOLS it is harder, everywhere else getting a math degree is like getting an arts degree nowadays; there's no standards or regulations so most programmes are shitty universities are incredibly easy. This is contrary to engineering where programmes have to be standardized, even at shitty schools.

>The thing keeping women from those degrees is that they have to constantly interact with creepy fedora'd neckbeards every day for four years, and nobody in their right mind wants that.
Another retarded meme, stop watching crappy sitcoms, most engineering students are healthy individuals who are in a relationship, no one is going to "creep" on you in class any more than a guy studying art would. You can ask any girl in engineering ITT.

You sound like you're just regurgitating shit your read written by a feminist who never truly studied the issue. Attitudes like yours are why we'll never solve the real issues. The REAL problem is that girls are being influenced to think too much like, well girls (ie historically bad at STEM), when instead women who intend top pursue masculine professions should be taught to think that way from an early age.

We need both femininity and masculinity in society and to optimize our intellectual resource pool both our sexes need both feminine and masculine qualities.

>>7080041
>enrollment rate for women in CS+engineering is LARGER than for men.
thats because there are a fucking stupid amount of grants and scholarships for women only in stem, and cs is the easier stem degree

>>7079981
You're quick to shout "Dunning-Kruger! Dunning-Kruger!", but I actually had a higher mark than any of the girls, as rare as that was. Chalk it up to paying lip-service to bullshit SJW ideals.

The only reason I bring up the anecdote is because I had several friends that took her class and they were just as literate as I was, but received lower marks than girls whose writing consisted of some of the most uninspired and insipid "analysis" I've ever read.

>xD le epic bitter misogyny meme
Typical. Mangina can't argue rationally because of his estrogen-poisoned brain, so he brings out the shaming tropes.

>>7080051
It's not just that, admission boards have to accept more than 50% women, by law. Which I consider to be fair, but I'd rather we just build more unis and give out more total scholarships rather than taking away from established merit based acceptance.

>>7080017
>actively hostile to women
yeah dude the field where women can coast by and get carried by thirsty beta males sure is hostile to women, LOL.

>>7080052
Taking anecdotes of when some group got allegedly mistreated and prescribing large value to it is exactly what SJW and genderstudies people do though.

>>7080041
>the fact is both the requirements and dropout rates for engineering is much higher than math or physics.
lol, dropout rates are higher only because more retards flock to the field wanting to make money, only a butthurt engineering student would seriously think its anywhere near as hard

>This is contrary to engineering where programmes have to be standardized, even at shitty schools.
yup your shit state U meche degree is totally standardized to be just as good as if it was from stanford

>>7079696
>>7079722
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Went to an all boy's high school and I have to say that when we got to uni it was immediately clear that the quality of students from my school is vastly superior to mixed school not only in terms of their academic performance (we are were always taught the bare minimum; teachers gave us an in-depth lecture on the abstract principles; we went out to play rugby, then wrote a test using the principle on a never before seen problem; no practice sets/memorization), but also in terms of confidence and overall life skills/"manliness", many boys from mixed schools struggle just to speak to girls or have self worth. It's kind sickening how emasculated and humiliated they were.

tl;dr Send your boys to private single gender school.

>>7079939
Probably right. There are, of course, only 500 CEOs of the Fortune 500. Basing any educational policy on the success of this population (out of tens of millions) is idiotic.

>>7080070
My parents wanted to send me to a private catholic boys school. I convinced them to let me go to public school for the magnet program instead. Now I haven't had sex in 5 years.

>>7080070
Respect. That's also why all-male spaces are important; as soon as you bring a woman into the fold, the whole dynamic changes and you have guys engaging in pecking-order pissing contests to impress the girls instead of healthy, focused competition like you had at your school.

>>7080067
>only a butthurt engineering student would seriously think its anywhere near as hard
No, that's what most of society thinks, you're pretty delusional, everyone thinks that physics and chemistry kids are just "students who couldn't get into/dropped out of engineering" and based on the amount of transfer applications to engineering departments from those programmes they are correct.

Again this does not apply to top schools like Oxbridge etc. where the science and math programmes are more rigorous.

> its anywhere near as hard
It's not "near as hard" it's objectively twice as hard, in my chemical engineering programme we finished the entire chemistry curriculum, including specialization classes such as analytical chemistry by the end of our second year, the professor even confirmed to us that he offered the course "verbatim" to chemistry seniors and he was impressed by how well we did compared to them. This is on top of our engineering classes (not to mention third year math that chemistry students do not take) which are way harder than anything chemistry majors ever do, every year chemistry majors who apply to our grad-school are first to take our senior level reactor course and I've never known a chemistry student who passed the course.

>yup your shit state U meche degree is totally standardized to be just as good as if it was from stanford
I'm not American, and it quite literally it is since universities are regularly reviewed in accordance with the Washington accord, they will lose their accreditation if the tests are too easy or they do not cover all the material required. This happens to a lot of decaying unis with grade inflation over the years.

Engineering is for professionals who apply science, science is for getting a background in science, I'm sorry you thought the posters from elite Physics schools on /sci/ warped your view on reality. Those guys will get high paying research jobs when they graduate, you won't even teach highschool.

>>7080087
>No, that's what most of society thinks, you're pretty delusional, everyone thinks that physics and chemistry kids are just "students who couldn't get into/dropped out of engineering" and based on the amount of transfer applications to engineering departments from those programmes they are correct.
spoken like a true engineering student who only hangs out with other engineering students lel

everyone knows math and physics fags are the weird awkward super smart einstein type, engineers are just obnoxious autists

>it's objectively twice as hard
lel lel

>and it quite literally it is since universities are regularly reviewed in accordance with the Washington accord,
toppest of lels

>when they graduate, you won't
>future tense
>implying

all i see is a butthurt engineer in denial about his crappy degree

>>7080083
I imagine you would have had plenty of sex at that catholic boys school.

>>7080085
I have to agree that that played a huge role, there was a wonderful sense of camaraderie in high-school, it stems from our culture of teamwork in sports, but extends to academics and our life in general. People always tried to help and build each other up instead of trying to knock them down. There weren't any "cliques" everyone was just naturally friends with everyone else, every grade also had those few awkward kids and the other boys would always succeed in breaking them out of their shell and building up their confidence by graduation, most often this is done by getting them into sports teams which also increases their academic performance from the discipline they learn (you learn to work hard when your entire team suffers from your flaws and not just yourself).

>>7080083
Don't know about Catholic schools, but we had a great reputation in our city, girls actually lined up to chat you up at parties when they heard what school we attended (I think many of the "chad" stories you find on /r9k/ could be about us, though we're actually very nice and sociable to everyone including boys from other schools).

I actually was once had a girl walk up to me at a sporting event (where we are required to wear uniforms) and hand me her number without a word (never called her though, I had a crush on someone else at the time).

>>7080095
>everyone knows math and physics fags are the weird awkward super smart einstein type
Wow I was arguing with a high-school kid, my mistake I guess. Would you please do your growing up somewhere other than /sci/? This is an 18+ board.

>>7080102
did you also suck each other off in teams?

>>7080116
butthurt coed student detected. you're one of those guys he talked about having problems just talking to girls, aren't you?

>>7080116
This is so typically the attitude from people who force their kids into mixed schools.

Yet on average boys in mixed schools are far more feminine and "confused" then kids in all boys schools (where any confusion is quickly beat out of you until your role becomes clear).

>>7078536
Why are there more liberal arts majors?
Why are there more men in technical jobs/vocational schools?
Because bitches don't wanna brag about being a mechanic or engineer, doctor or physicist; they wouldn't mind dating him if he makes around 6 figs and can buy them shit though

>>7080070

>Went to an all boy's high school and I have to say that when we got to uni it was immediately clear that the quality of students from my school is vastly superior to mixed school not only in terms of their academic performance
>but also in terms of confidence and overall life skills/"manliness", many boys from mixed schools struggle just to speak to girls or have self worth. It's kind sickening how emasculated and humiliated they were.

I would say that's more anecdotal evidence than necessarily true universally. It's not as if there aren't all "boy" spaces in mixed schools but the problem is they're not consistent. You will have sports groups that are all male and math/computer groups that's all male too but it's not cohesive nor consistent so you will most likely see more extremes from mix schools.

I would say the bigger problems lies in the general distraction in classrooms between boys and girls and the stigma/taste acquired from dealing with the opposite sex in what could be the worse years "socially" of their entire lives.

Because there seems to be a big difference (personally to me) between dealing with a female during her high school years and dealing with a female during her college years.

>>7080127
>anecdotal evidence
Oh absolutely, I'm only giving my personal opinion here so it should be taken with a grain of salt.

>I would say the bigger problems lies in the general distraction in classrooms between boys and girls and the stigma/taste acquired from dealing with the opposite sex in what could be the worse years "socially" of their entire lives.

Honestly yes I found girls in my engineering class a little distracting, even though they were a lot more mature than HS, you need to learn to separate your academic/professional life from your social, which is not to say you can't be friends with the girls in your class, but keep the flirting at parties or bars outside class.

The thing is that's incredibly hard to do as a teenager with sky high hormone levels.

>>7080136

>Oh absolutely, I'm only giving my personal opinion here so it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Well even if it's just a personal experience/ opinion there's still some value to it because it's a different perspective on the matter. So it's still worth listening to.

>Honestly yes I found girls in my engineering class a little distracting, even though they were a lot more mature than HS, you need to learn to separate your academic/professional life from your social, which is not to say you can't be friends with the girls in your class, but keep the flirting at parties or bars outside class.

That is true, separating the two activities is needed and it's a bit surprising that there isn't more investment in addressing time management during high school for public schools.

>The thing is that's incredibly hard to do as a teenager with sky high hormone levels.

Exactly, it's not too bad during the kid or adult phases of life but during the teen years it gets pretty hectic.

>>7078610
If you have to learn in school.. You gonna be a good engineer...

>>7080070
Wow you're surpreme intelligence.... That whole story is so stupid.... I can't even...

>>7080461

Well all our alumni graduated top of or top 10 of their class in their respective STEM fields at the best uni in our country, so yes.

You jel?

>>7080508
what school?

>>7080070
Not in my experience. I'm at Cornell right now, and almost all of the students who went to private and/or religious schools are more beta around females than those from coed public schools. They don't seem to know much about how to approach dating in an educational setting. Their entire experience with interacting with girls was limited to occasional events with a girl's school. It is however true that they are a bit better at competition with other men because they learned how without having to resort to attempting to impress their peers by banging as many girls as possible.

>>7080118
not really.

>>7080122
sure, that 19th-century-novel-style rambling totally didn't sound borderline troll-tier confused

>>7078590
lel, how does it feel knowing half-retarded high-school dropout millwrights make more than you?

>>7078953
Over half a standard deviation isn't what i'd call slightly higher.
Especially considering the distribution.

>>7080508
So all the gay students were bad? Right?
Which country? Which school?
Ohhhh stem. You used the powerfull word. Please, be a bit more unspecific.

>>7080001

How the fuck is that sort of grading scheme fair..

Surely a woman would think of that sort of thing.

>>7082831
We didn't have gays in our school, there is nothing gay about being attracted to other men, that doesn't mean you have to act like a faggot about it and can't fuck women.

>Please, be a bit more unspecific.
Physics and the engineering disciplines, no one did pure pure math though. The guys that went into arts did similarly well, among others the top linguistic student was in my year group.

Stop being so jelly pleb, there will always be men that are superior to you in every possible capacity, the difference between you and me is that I've accepted it and focus on my own self improvement rather than trying to convince everyone I'm already better than them.

I made a graphic illustrating this, however, it's based on different data. Conclusion, it's bad, but not quite as bad as your image suggests.

I send this to my gf and she just replied "Yes, I know, it's pretty obvious actually."

>>7083978
>"Yes, I know, it's pretty obvious actually."
There's basically no difference and no way you could possibly know this unless you know more than a few 10 thousand people. Your gf is a retard and a cuck.

>>7084010
Thanks for telling me, breaking up with her right now

>>7078536
The results of combining all answers to your following sentences.
It partly answers it.
Yes.
Yes.

>>7084010
You could have a feeling that it's the case. Which is the feeling any sensible person would have after knowing more than a few hundred people.