/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6950703
Yes

>>6950703
ofc it is

>>6950703
It is, and certain fields of geology make fucking bank

>>6950704
>>6950711
>>6950719
Then how does it come that a lot of people don't consider it real science?

If even sociology is considered a science, geology shouldn't be excluded.

Any good links to intro geology texts?

>>6950703
no, geologists are merely a type of rock doctor.

>>6950733
a lot of people watch the big bang theory

>>6950735
there is nothing wrong with considering sociology a science

>>6950744
And that's what I don't get about this show. They let Sheldon make jokes how geology is not a real science, completely ignoring things that actually aren't science (e. g. "womyns studies)

>>6950733
>a lot of people
if you refer to the people here at /sci/, I do not think you should pay heed to their opinions, they're a bunch of 15 yo who try to fit in by pretending to know physics and idolising feynman

>>6950735
Sociology is a science

>>6950761
not on /sci/

>>6950703
Yes, and it's almost interesting some times.

>>6950761
Seriously, though, there are papers that you read in an intro sociology class, that people say are sociology papers, but are in no way scientific. Link is to example.

http://www.son.washington.edu/diversity/docs/SPCG-InvisibleKnapsack.pdf

Note that it contains:
-No descriptions of experiments
-No proposed experiments to show that white privilege exists
-No real predictions based on the assumption that white privilege exists
-Abundant speculation
-Barely any citations
Yet, the paper has been cited over 2200 times.

>>6950773
My point is that when professors pull shit like this, it hurts perspectives on sociology, and it makes it hard for people with little knowledge of the discipline respect it as a field.

>>6950773
Can we all agree that today's sociology is to real sociology what /sci/ is to real physics?

Actually, it is possible to do experiments in sociology, the problem is, most of the time it is forbidden.

>>6950761
It can almost be a science.
It depends on who does it.
I took a macroeconomics course last year.
Many things are still biased, but the basis, ie clarifying terminology, defining certain values etc, are science. Just not an exact science.
Same goes for psychology, sociology, etc.
The scientific part is documenting and clarifying, not writing your opinion.

>>6950786
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. There is research in social network analysis and other fields of mathematical sociology currently being done that is respectable and is comparable to work in modern economics, but it's just the least visible thing happening there.

bump

If we agree that science is defined based on adherence to the scientific method (obeserving phenomena, creating hypotheses and models from those observations, making predictions from those models, and then ultimately testing our predictions), then it should become painfully clear that not everything we call "science" is necessarily on the same level.

>>6950867
Everything you just said is true for geology and (real) sociology, so what's the point?

How does it make you feelt that the most common mineral on earth has never been seen, except in meteors?

>>6950743
Chuckled

>>6950735
Biology would be a better comparison

>>6951491
noone denies biology being a science

>>6951496
I meant that "if biology is a science, geology is too" would be a better point to make.

Aren't soil scientists trained in geology? Bc that's a pretty intense bunch. I'd say geology is probably a science?

>>6950703
just took a 300 level mineralogy course as an elective, it was neat

>>6951504
not only probably

>>6951476
Rephrase that sentence so that it makes sense.

>>6951530
how does it make you feel that the commonest mineral on earth has never been seen, except in some meteors?

>>6951530
I googled the image, and wiki says "Because the Tenham meteorites show evidence of high pressure deformations, they have been used to infer chemical and mineral changes that might occur within Earth's mantle."

So, maybe whatever is beneath the earth's crust makes up most of it, and only that meteor can show it to you? But fuck if I know.

>>6951538
Still makes no sense.
If it's the most common mineral, how can no-one have ever seen it?

>>6951544
'cause its 660 km below your feet.

>>6950703
geology is just playing with rocks.

You're silly OP.

>>6951544
>>6951547

u got got bud... sry

>>6951544
Holy shit you are dumb

>>6951554
yeah well physics is just playing with the fundamental laws of reality

you can't throw that shit

>>6951476
"An ultra-deep diamond found in Juína, Mato Grosso in western Brazil, contained inclusions of ringwoodite—the only known sample of natural terrestrial origin—thus providing evidence of significant amounts of water as hydroxide in the Earth's mantle.[5][15][16][17] The gemstone, about 5mm long,[17] was blasted up from the depths by a diatreme eruption.[18] The ringwoodite inclusion is too small to see with the eye.[17] The mantle reservoir is found to contain about three times more water, in the form of hydroxide contained within the ringwoodite crystal structure, than the Earth's oceans combined.[6]"

>>6950751
cuz geology majors are mostly men who dont bitch and complain. if they make it on women studies, prepare for sjw lawsuit

Chemist here.

Sure, why not.

Geology undergrad here
It's a fun as hell degree, has a decent bit of chemistry and biology integrated into it

plus the field work is a lot of fun most of the time

got a week long field trip before next semester starts, going to spend that week mapping an area in jamaica with the rest of my class

>>6950703
I've never heard someone complaining about geology, paleontology has to take some shit though.

Are you guys trying to copy that awful sitcom?

>>6952700
and what exactly is wrong with paleontolgy?

>>6952716
I guess it is just people being retarded in america.

>>6952725
oh, i sometimes forget that this is actually a serious buisness over there.

But isn't geology also contradictory towards the bible?

>>6952735
Believing that the sky isn't a second ocean held in place by the "firmament" and that rain isn't this water escaping is contradictory to the bible.

>>6952735
Yeah but they only pick on the most "outrageous" claims of science.