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Von Braun was a Nazi. Plus Sergei Korolev was a better rocket scientist.

>>6943206
You have ten seconds to make a case why he would be the greatest man who ever lived.

Whoops, looks like you're out of time. Too bad, cockmunch.

Did he proved Barnett's equation when he was 12? Yeah, didn't think so.

>>6943366
100% Fuck off yank.

>>6943267
>Von Braun was a Nazi.
What's you point?

Goddard reporting in. If not for his early death during a surgery he would have led the Apollo program.

>>6943267
Why does being a Nazi hinder his ability to be the best man who ever lived?

>>6943267
>Von Braun was a Nazi.
Great.

>Plus Sergei Korolev was a better rocket scientist.
I'll give you that. Korolev was pretty fucking amazing.

>>6943730
>builds N-1 x4
>x4 fail
>good rocket scientist

>inb4 but muh funds

"Once they go up, who cares where they come down? That's not my department," says Werner von Braun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro

>>6943699
/pol/ please go. No one gives a fuck about your petty racist insecurities.

>>6945067
sjw spotted

the russians beat him into space

>>6945072
>/pol/ gibberish

/pol/ please go. No one here speaks racist.

V2 attacks resulted in the deaths of an estimated 9,000 civilians and military personnel, while 12,000 forced laborers and concentration camp prisoners were killed producing the weapons.

Such a fucking hero.

>>6943267
>>6945067
>>6945079
>>6945084
It's strange: You all claim to be modern rational scientists and blame the stupid humans of the middle ages and Nazi-Germany and so on for their ignorance and intolerance.

But you still worship you own dogmas and refuse to rethink them. If someone doesn't think democracy is the only true company form, you blame him as idiot.

If someone think our way to treat other nations may isn't be the best way, he's a racist.
And if someone has other ethical values, he's a fucking nazi.

W.v. Braun was an genius and one of the best engineer the world has seen. In my eyes it doesn't matter for which nation he worked or what personal attitude he had. Which law of nature says that it's bad to develop weapons?

Hundred years before, they said this is good, now we think that is good and in hundred years we will think something other is the best.
Politics and ethic is a matter of taste, nothing more.

Because he was no longer a man when the Americans saved his life only to get the results of his scientific work. He was just an object. If he hadnt been valuable probably his shitty corpse would be mixed with mud. But he obviously was an exceeding engineer though.

"Wernher von Braun - der Raketenmann / Doku ZDF"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELE1q1JzMKs

If you're German speaking, this 90min documentary is a must see. Fucking fascinating.

>>6945067
Are you 12 years old?

>>6943206
Post the criteria for greatness.

>>6945941
>>6945561
/pol/ please go. No one gives a fuck about your petty racist insecurities.

>>6943206
>Was was von Braun not the greatest

He was a Nazi

\thread

>>6945977
That's how you argue? a meme and the issue is over?
>But you still worship your own dogmas and refuse to rethink them

I still think that politics has no place in science, so you shouldn't judge a scientist by his attitude.

>>6945994
1. He was an engineer, not a scientist.
2. His political opinion becomes a very important factor because said opinion promotes a strictly anti-intellectual and anti-scientific ideology.

Go back to >>>/pol/ and stay there.

>>6946005
>His political opinion becomes a very important factor
It doesn't though

Can't believe no one has mentioned Eugen Sänger.

NASA has practically tried to copy his work/designs.

>Sänger's other theoretical innovations during this period were proposing means of using photons for interplanetary and interstellar spacecraft propulsion prefiguring the concept of laser propulsion and the solar sail.

>He died in Berlin. The Sänger's grave is located on the cemetery "Alter Friedhof" in Stuttgart-Vaihingen. His work on the Silbervogel would prove important to the X-15, X-20 Dyna-Soar, and ultimately Space Shuttle programs.

>This whole thread.
>No one has asked why Wernher von Braun would be the greatest man ever.

>>6946005
next thing you're telling me that Archimedes was just an engineer because he mostly built pulleys and shit

and his political opinion was probably evil too because he used a lense to burn some ship once

>>6946020
Archimedes was not even an engineer, because in his time universities did not exist. He couldn't obtain an engineering degree. Please go be a mindless worshipper of ancient "wise" men on >>>/lit/.

>>6946047
>an engineer is someone who is the owner of an engineering degree as opposed to someone who does engineering

>>6946052
Can't get a job without a degree.

>>6946052
by todays standards, yes. Engineering is a legally defined profession.

>>6946062
nah, its just someone who fucks with engines which most engineers don't even do so fuck definitions.

>>6946063
>fuck definitions.

Definitions are of utmost importance in STEM. Please keep your lower intellect on your containment board. >>>/pol/

>>6946063
you literally cannot get anything done in the US without a PE signing off on it, and you have to have an engineering degree to have a PE license.

its like trying to practice medicine without a medical license, which require you to have a medical degree. you can say "fuck definitions" all you want, but the fact remains that engineering is bureaucratized now.

>>6946067
engineer
noun [C] UK /ˌen.dʒJˈnJər/ US /-ˈnJr/
A2 a person whose job is to design or build machines, engines, or electrical equipment, or things such as roads, railways, or bridges, using scientific principles:
a civil engineer
a mechanical/structural engineer
a software engineer


Thank me later

>>6943206
>You have 10 seconds to explain why Wernher von Braun was not the greatest man who ever lived.

See pic.

Q.E.D.

>>6946063
>muh feelings are more important than scientific definitions

Is this what /pol/tards actually believe?

>>6946072
>getting a job
>without degree

Your NEET daydreams are hilarious.

>>6946005
>2. His political opinion becomes a very important factor because said opinion promotes a strictly anti-intellectual and anti-scientific ideology.

>>6946018
- has childhood dream that mankind could fly to the moon in his lifetime
- it's all he ever talks about to other kids at school
- everyone thinks he's a hopeless dreamer, father tries forcing him to become a musician
- to no avail, dedicates entire life to pioneering rocket research
- instruments political powers - good or bad - to fund his life's goal, wherever he is, whatever the cost
- almost dies in flames while trying save research data by hand while getting bombed by the Brits
- 40 years after being arrested by German police for trying to drive explosive-powered carriages though Berlin's parks he witnesses mankind set afoot on the moon, brought there by the rocket he designed, through his lifetime's work

bretty gud

>>6943206
Sergei Korolev

>>6943855
he died early doring the design phase and it was compleated by state sponser yess men

he was white

>>6946092
>it's all he ever talks about to other kids at school

If that's true, he must of been even more autistic than the average /sci/ fag.

Yeah, let's damn engineers because they have other moral values

>>6943206

>von Braun
>only major discover was the Braun principle
>"Vahnce ze rockets go oop, 'oo kares vhere zey kome down?"
>doesn't even bother to solve this, sends it off to another NASA department to solve.

mfw

good at rockets, bad at humanity

>>6946076
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/engineer
what definition are you going by?

>>6945561
>Which law of nature says that it's bad to develop weapons?
you are a weirdo. nobody with a little mind left would even write something like that. i cannot take you serious.

>>6946153

>>6946172
>3.95 MB

>>6946172
>>6946195

>>6946217
>.png

>>6946142
I kekd

>>6946217
save as jpg, bro.

>>6943206
Of all the humans to appoint the title 'greatest man who ever lived' you pick a glorified engineer with a very dubious background.
Wernher Von Braun was definatly a interesting figure but your way of framing this controversial character ITT reveals that you're nothing but another exile nazi troll from /pol/.

>>6943699
The nazis were not very nice people anon

>>6946272
My grandfather was nazi and he was a very nice person.

>>6946242
>>6946258
What's the benefit?

>>6946272
you only think that because they lost.

>>6946272
[brainwashing intensifies]

>>6946458

>start a war which kills millions for "muh living space"
>murder millions more in cold blood (inb4 didn't happen)
>implying that's something very nice people do

>>6943206
http://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/space-flight/frank-malina-americas-forgotten-rocketeer

>>6946414
more compression, therefore smaller file

>>6946415
this.

I'm not saying that I would prefer to live in a nazi regime.
But statements like "Nazis are bad persons" are just dumb. Who defined what's good and bad? It's all relative. To say nazism is a priori evil is like saying mastrubation is evil: just a dogma which the society generated and which is now such established that nobody question it.

What bothers me is the arrogance of the people: They say that they are such tolerant and enlightened but they are just as small minded as 80 years ago. If you were born in Nazi-Germany you would march in front row.

>>6946414
it's because how the compression works. use a jpeg for photographic pictures with lots of details and many color shades. use png for painted pictures with larger areas of the same color, like cartoons, also for text. also 72 dpi or 600x400 pixel are usually enough for interwebz meme stuff. and the guy from >>6945561 is still a huge faggot.

>>6946014
that thing is so fucking awesome>>6943206

>>6946261
>exile nazi troll from /pol/.
you mean stormfront


btw, this thread shows that poltards don't understand two things:
- braun was a man of his time, which means, he wasn't that special
- engineers don't care about marketing bullshit, they care about real accomplishments, and Korolev with his rocket engines did much more than braun himself, so much, american scientists still haven't beaten his technology.

I remember a time when /sci/ would ban anything related to politics immediately.
or, perhaps, the mods are poltards themselves, I don't know...

>>6946521
fuck off to /pol/, retard

>>6946504
Who knows?
In hundret years they will show pictures of chicken farms and mountains of dead cows in school like they show concentration camps nowadays. Instead of racism they will blame us for speciesism and will say that we were bad and evil people.
It's all a matter of opinion.

>>6946567

Cows and chickens aren't sentient, anon, please try harder with your false equivalences next time.

>>6946575
>cows
>not sentient

>>6946575
Befor: "Jews are no real humans"
Now: "Cows and chickens aren't sentient"

Same shit. I'm also sure many animal lover suppose my argument.

>>6946613
stop this shit, anon

>>6946546
>engineers don't care about marketing bullshit,
No true Scottish engineer does.

>>6946625

>>6943206

He built weapons of war...

>>6946644
I hope you will never get imprisoned in a nazi camp yourself.

>>6946415
>>6946458
unless I'm mistaken about their opinions of the jewish people then I might just have to concede that they hold certain views that result in me being unable to think of them as a particularly pleasant bunch of chaps

>>6946567
you have a point but why are we trying to resist this progress? Why do we accept nazism and bigotry in a time and age where you are suggesting that we should know better

>>6943206
Because Riemann.

Nazis actually contributed a lot to science. Without the Nazis we would be far behind in medical sciences compared to what we are at today.

>>6946504
>start a war which kills millions for "muh living space"
Britain and France declared war, not Germany. And Germany only bitchslapped Poland first because German people living in Poland were being mistreated and later imprisoned/killed.

>murder millions more in cold blood (inb4 didn't happen)
People are killed in war. Shocking.


>inb4 muh holocaust because none of the other WW2 players used concentration camps and ethnic cleansing nope no sirree
>inb4 >>>/pol/ because knowing anything at all about WW2 beyond Omega Death-King Hitler tried to conquer the world with his army of brainwashed Ubersoldiers and you belong on Stormfront if you disagree