/sci/ - Science & Math

>>6933246
>using human feelings and concepts to describe the universe

typical ten-fingered being reasoning here

>>6933246
>>6933251
>we are in the middle of the universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5PHtDvqHpA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background#Low_multipoles_and_other_anomalies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_%28spacecraft%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson_Microwave_Anisotropy_Probe

>nothing has been proved to exist except you
>you have no idea if you actually exist
feels good man

>tfw you only die but don't stop existing in the universe
>you are afraid of death as much as you are afraid of complete memory loss, fear of losing yourself as you know it
>you will eventually die and forget everything, even tough you lived through this sensation infinite times
>the past person you knew you was is already dead, your current beliefs and knowledge only a weak semblance of what you was
>tfw the person you know or knew is the person you will eventually be
>tfw when you knew his feels firsthand
>tfw when only time separates me from being you

>>6933246
>deterministic
'no'

>>6933263
In my mind I could not stop,
This dance of questions, whys and thoughts.
Until one night I touched an end,
That left me cold, distraught and dead.
It was a wall as black as night,
Whose very touch blot out the light.
It seeped through every nook and crack,
Until my mind was colored black.
And though I could not find myself,
I knew I couldn't cry for help.
This nothingness pulsed through my head,
This empty void I touched was End.
The feeling gave me such a fright,
I ran somewhere to bask in light.
But though I felt relief that day,
I knew that End was here to stay.

>>6933246
>the fact that "meaning" is something invented entirely by and for humans as a quirk of uncaring evolution to describe an inhuman universe necessarily implies that the universe is "meaningless"

Stay nihilistic, bro. I bet you think determinism also invalidates free will.

>>6933246
>insignificant
that is up to you

>>6933246

>tfw the universe is a rotting corpse of a god that killed himself

or at least that's what Philipp Mainlander thought

>>6933557
that's brutal dude

>>6933263
>afraid of death

Dam casual pleb

>>6933256
>we are in the middle of the universe
except your wrong

If you had every information of the universe from the begining you could calculate how the universe develops. But quantums are random so you cant. And it might be that human brains decide with the help of quantums. And if quantums are controlled from something transcendend you have free will and meaningful. Mathematicians often think everything is determenistic, but its not

>>6933568
>Before our universe was born, the only thing that existed was the basic unity*, a being in a state that can only be described by negations: It was not bound to time or space or matter. It existed in a transcendental world that has nothing to with the laws of physics or anything else that we know from our world. All we can say about the basic unity, is that is has been and is no longer, it vanished with the birth of our universe, which is the only miracle that ever happened. Everything that happened after that miracle, the very second the universe was born, is our world where our laws of physics make sense. After defining the basic unity as a being that is absolutely different from us and is furthermore the cause of the birth of our entire universe, we can now give that being the name it deserves: God. But we can not try to describe this God any further, because that would mean leaving our reality, projecting logics that only make sense in our world, into another world. The only thing we know is that the basic unity must have been killing itself, because it was the only thing existing before the universe and therefore it couldn't have been killed by anything else, because there wasn't anything that could have killed it. Therefore the universe, as we know it, was born through the suicide of God. God decided that he can't bear his existence anymore and that he wishes to turn into Nothingness. But he was not able to reach that goal without thereby creating our world, because the path from his over-being** to Nothingness required a transition, which is being as we know it, our universe. This entire world is therefore nothing more than God's "body", that is in all its components rotting into nothingness now.

if you think about it it's actually just a more poetic description of the big bang written decades before the actual theory of big bang was developed, but it still gives me feels.

>>6933575
>all these comments in the video
>replying to obvious troll

This shows how knowledge doesn't give you social skill.
>/sci/ forever alone

>>6933523
>>6933277
>>6933583
>And it might be that human brains decide with the help of quantums
Not you control nature, nature controls you.

>quantum being random
>random variables in a equation make it non-deterministic
Stay autistic brony.

>>6933575

actually he's right.

you're always the center of the universe.

>>6933256
pls be troll
"I mean they wouldn't admit that the earth is center of evil because the people working on the big bang theory at science usa corp would lose theri jobs"-youtube retard 2:30

>>6933583
i thought i told enough of you to shut the fuck up about this pseudoscientific bullshit. you don't have a fucking clue of what you're talking about, you don't even like science. you just like to feel smart.

determinism and nondeterminism is interpretation, and not science.

FUCK
OFF

>>6933809
If you have self-esteem issues.

>>6933256
How the fuck could you know or anyone know, considering that we can't observe the whole universe.

>>6933647
>decades before the actual theory
More like centuries.
The big bang vision that inspired Lemaître was written around 1250 AD

>>6933845
Whats wrong with you? Science is only a word not a belief.

>>6933246
>not being a monotheist

>>6933999
triples confirm, allahu ackbar

>>6933246
who cares

The multiverse is a result of its boundary conditions. Consciousness travels through the multiverse +one second per second. As it travels, conciousness as we know it reduces the multiverse into moments of three dimensional space. This model means that there is an "omniversal" object that is observed at different points and times.

This model allows for willpower despite its deterministic nature. As consciousness moves through time, it can navigate to different coordinates of the omniverse through repeated choice. Example: represent one's path through the omniversal coordinate grid (unkown how many axis/variables this entails, some say 10 or 11) as a line. By deciding to work diligently, one diverges further from the "control" curve of apathy. One can observe a cross section of the omniverse where they are phenomenal in their chosen field by making the choice to study and research every single day.

tl;dr: Concioussness can use willpower to observe different universes within a determined multiverse.

Thoughts on this model and where it goes wrong?

>>6933246
We don't know the universe is deterministic and we can't be insignificant if the universe is meaningless, but otherwise pretty profound post

>>6933948

The actual scientific theories, not philosophical ideas or descriptions of an expanding universe, were developed in the XXth century and Mainlander (the guy I quoted) wrote this in the 1870's. I never said he was the first one to suggest it, I am just saying that this concept of the universe as a rotting corpse of a god that killed himself is suprisingly close to the current cosmological model.

>>6933851

not this anon, but given that we usually mean 'the universe' as 'the observable universe' then it's a tautological truth - you are in the center of the observable universe as by the definition it centers on the observer.

>>6933999
>not being a deist

>>6933246
Do you even Sagan, bro?

Life is the most interesting thing happening in the universe and us humans are currently the most interesting part of life because we have revolutionized evolution by evolving memetically instead of genetically. Furthermore, we are the ones that decide whether or not Earth life survives for 1 billion years before being steamed to death by the Sun evaporating the oceans or if it survives for trillions of years due to us spreading life across the stars.

>>6933262
>you have no idea if you actually exist

Don't I?